Is the Earth 6000 or a few billion years old?
Peter, yeah,
It's an interesting point of view put in boring words. Sorry I was not able to read all the way through - but I think I grasped the idea, and I do think it has a merit.
Sandy,
No, it won't change anything - but what will? Aren't we just having conversations here for a sake of enjoying the good company?
- sandra rinckposted 15 years ago
0who cares??? Why do people really care? It's an honest question, would it change anything? no, not really! So it's as old as you want it to be.
This is old. I probably heard this 10 years ago.
I honestly don't know what it proves. Other than that the world is a lot older than 6,000 years as we measure years. I must admit my math is not good enough to pick holes in his version of events either.
I know he came in for a lot of flack from the literal creationists when he first published his theories. There are some who will go to all sorts of lengths to try and prove their version is right. No matter how much proof is presented that they are wrong. A lot of them call this faith. I am not sure I can call it anything other than scary.
What is your opinion of the literal creationists?
- Zarm Nefilinposted 15 years ago0
I am not saying this interpretation is correct or the only TRUE one
I find it interesting, though, and well worth friendly discussion
As for validity of interpretations in general - I think ALL what we read or hear we necessarily interpret, everybody in his/her own unique way, and I don't see anything wrong with it, it is just how our brains work.You are correct Wedding Consultant
. I just wanted to add Jehovah is another version of the name Yahweh.
Well Zarm,
The problem is - there are people who are tolerant (or they think they are tolerant) to other people's opinions. And then there are people who are not. They think they shouldn't tolerate this and that. This is their opinion.
Now, people who are tolerant cannot tolerate those who are not, and always try to convince them that they should be tolerant
I think I'm guilty in this, too...
The only solution I see here is to change myself firstI have other problems to worry about than thinking about how old earth is.
- sandra rinckposted 15 years ago0
The entire entity of what we are is crazy yet fascinating. Humanity or life in general is the most fascinating creation, creation by God force or accidental occurance, neither one is more important than being.
God serves us, we don't serve God. What would we give him that he doesn't already have? My heart, my soul, my life?
Was Jesus God? Nope, but God served Jesus.Jesus believed that God believed in him.
of course Jesus believed in God. I am talking about Jesus beleiving in himself, that God also believed in him.
- Zarm Nefilinposted 15 years ago0
In my opinion this topic could have been named:
"Is the earth 6000 or a few billion years old? Rephrased: Is the earth the Center of the universe or the Sun?"
Challenging the notion of the age of the universe in this century, in this age, is fairly equivalent (in my honest opinion) to what people once did when they challenged the notion that the sun was the center of the universe because it was hard to accept.
It's just that "foggy" shall I say.
I would contend that the particular "fog" that people who truly believe the earth is 6,000 years old are in, has been around in one form or another for 6,000 years at least, and hopefully not 6,000 more.
It is what it is.
Too bad we don't have the fountain of youth yet. 6,000 years old give or take a couple.
Who cares? It's just something else to argue about. Have fun with your argument.Deary me - I should stick to telling people what not to do if I were you. Please explain how carbon dating is flawed to the point that it is no longer a useful tool for dating things rather than needing to be re calibrated to take into account new information we have learned..
This might help you understand better:
"A group of limestone stalagmites from a submerged cave beneath the Bahamas has thrown doubt on conclusions about human history drawn from carbon dating. The scientists who found it say that there are also important implications for climate change.
The formations, recovered from a cavern which was created when sea levels were about 100m (330ft) lower than today, showed that more than 20,000 years ago there were dramatic shifts in the amount of radioactive carbon – often known as "carbon-14" – in the atmosphere.
Because the ratio of carbon-14 to its stable cousin, carbon-12, is used as the basis of carbon dating of fossils, any widespread variation in that balance would confuse the dating of items such as plants or animals which existed around those times.
"It means we have tended to underestimate the true age of objects from 20,000 to 40,000 years ago by up to 8,000 years," said Dr David Richards, of the School of Geographical Sciences at the University of Bristol. However, he added, "this may change the timings, but it won't change the order of events."
Carbon-14 is formed in the upper atmosphere by high-energy particles striking nitrogen atoms. These are dispersed through the atmosphere and taken up by living objects. The ratio of carbon-14 to carbon-12 in fossils indicates how long ago the organism lived.
The stalagmites, from the Blue Caves beneath the Bahamas, were formed about 45,000 years ago. Scientists from the universities of Bristol, Arizona and Minnesota found that there were peaks in radiocarbon levels which could not be explained by any increase in atmospheric radiation. Instead, they think that the take-up of carbon in the planet changed – possibly by a fall in the amount of carbon dioxide (which would contain radiocarbon) dissolved in water.
Carbon dating is known to be unreliable for objects which are more than 16,000 years old; the new discovery suggests that some ancient items may be several thousand years out.
"It might solve some mysteries," suggested Dr Chris Stringer, an anthropologist at the Natural History Museum. "For example, based on radiocarbon dating, the modern humans in Europe seem to vanish for about 5,000 years from many parts of the continent between 30,000 and 40,000 years ago. Well, it might turn out that they didn't vanish at all when we recalibrate."
However it would not change the dating of items such as the Turin Shroud, which was made within the past 1,000 years.
http://www.100megsfree4.com/farshores/ncarbon.htm
Which does not mean is has been proven to be flawed. Good griefI said earlier I'm not sure how old earth is, but I do know who created earth and I can't put him in a box of what I think time is. It could be thousands to millions to trillions man will never know for sure, all they can really do is guessimate(not real word I know, but I like it). You can teach me all you want, but(no offense intented) there is simply nothing I wish to learn from you.
If you are looking for an arguement with name-calling please look elsewhere, I'm not the one, happy hubbing!
Sorry I do appologize it was a typo i was away from comp and just got back to read this... sorry again but the content of my thread still stands, I don't like to argue but i do like to debate. Have a good day too
- fierycjposted 13 years ago0
Oh, no, Pete, you have to realise that God CREATED that light six thousand light years away so it LOOKED like it had been travelling 10,000 years to get here.
He's all-powerful, remember?
Jenny
Of course God is purposely misleading us - he is testing our faith. Why else would he allow Lucifer to work his mischief when, as an all-powerful deity, God could immobilise him with the flick of His mighty finger?
God doesn't WANT people to be confused, but he sets up situations in which they MIGHT become confused, and therefore need to exercise their free will in order to retain their faith. By that exercise of free will, they earn their place in Heaven.
If there were no tests of faith, there would be no need for Judgement Day, would there? We would all just be in Heaven automatically. What's the point of that?
Jenny
Well, I think most people forget about the multi-dimensionality of life. Sure there is proof of dinosaurs and humans on the earth from various points in this dimensional time. But I believe a lot of what is talked about in Holy Books and ancient stories, etc... is indicative of other dimensions of life, is relayed in written and story form to inform us of what we perceive as history, but what we could more rightly perceive has our potential.
If its bad stuff that has been relayed, what are the lessons that we should learn from that history so as not to recreate it. And if its good stuff, we should take a cue from it to create better for ourselves now and for our future.
The whole time and space thing is relative to our consciousness, actually created by our state of consciousness.
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