Law of Attraction? Is it Science or Hocus-Pocus?
"The Law of Attraction argues that thoughts (both conscious and unconscious) can affect things outside the head, not just through motivation, but by other means."
Yup, pure bunkum that once again violates physical laws.
I just love your pessimistic mind frame. I am getting use to it and actually am finding it awesome. Strange, odd, but true. Lol. I guess it has to do with my good nature.
I never knew that it is based on chemical reactions... Thanks for sharing your knowledge
An education at most accredited learning institutions will release you from that bondage.
Science can belong to anyone who wishes to have it.
Everyone is free to toss their computers in the garbage, disconnect their internet connections and live in a cave, if the "simplicity of life" is what they seek. Science brought those things for you, and you use them all the time.
Why do you then use everything science has provided for you and then complain about it? Actions speak louder than words.
Alright people what did we do to attract that answer???
Well...cancel that request for a hub cause here it is!Thanks for expanding my rather limited sphere of knowledge.I will give much Waite to the gravity of your explanation and just"No"I'll be a better man for it.[Ya didn't hafta use such big words ta put me in my place tho]
Well said! I agree with you. Self love is where love begins.
- just_curiousposted 14 years ago
0There are a lot of negative answers here but the truth is, there is something more to this exsistence and we can attract things with our thoughts. Anyone who disagrees is calling Buddha, Jesus, Edison, Napoleon Hill, Andrew Carnegie, and many many more people who were successful a bunch of liars and fakes. Why on earth would those people who have done great things for the human race and become rich in money, wisdom etc lie to us like that? They wouldn't! It is true.
Yes, there are those who market this concept of The law of attraction for their own greedy benefit but then there were those who made nothing from it, yet still spoke and wrote about it with a passion.
We can't talk about the laws of nature because we really don't know. Did the laws of nature create this universe from nothing? Doesn't that defy the laws of nature? You can't make sense of it, just accept it and enjoy it!
PeaceAlthough I admit to be attracted to your theory, I don't see myself agreeing with it being possible. Good luck though. If it is something you believe in, I'm sure you will continue to see evidence of success with it.
Well yes, we can deny that argument on the grounds that there is no evidence whatsoever to establish it as an argument or explanation.
Okay, where is the evidence, exactly?
No, they just didn't begin existing, there were a number of processes involved along with a whole lot of time for the processes to undergo those beginnings.
Yet, there is no evidence of such a plan in regards to the universe coming into existence.
The law of attraction is pure nonsense. It violates the laws of physics and nature. It has no evidence whatsoever to support it and is simply an irrational belief.It doesn't matter who is closest to the truth. All that matters is that the egotistical maniac, Beelzedad has a compulsion to make others wrong. Good for him.
Each to their own, no matter how insecure and ignorant that may make them seem.
How ironic that your profile pic is of Einstein, seeing that you have absolutely no capacity to be imaginative!
Actually, we do know abut the laws of nature and the fact that they are tantamount to how our universe came into existence, which did not or does not violate those very same laws. Yes, we can make sense of it.
But, what does violate the laws of nature are nonsensical notions like gods and laws of attraction, ghosts and goblins and things that go bump in the night.Pointing out your irrational beliefs is not rude unless you feel those beliefs are your arms and legs. They are just beliefs and are either rational or irrational.
To live your life based on irrational beliefs is your prerogative and you are free to do so. Why would you wish to do so is your own decision to make, but that doesn't preclude the fact the beliefs are irrational.
Yes, the law of attraction has been shown to be pure bunkum and those who embrace it will most likely be laughed at and ridiculed. You are free to be one of them.
Unlike yourself, I have an understanding hence I don't require beliefs as you do.
There is a great deal to write about trying to explain all that to you. However, there are a number of books you might wish to read on those subjects.
Again, you are free to do the research into those questions as it would take a ridiculous amount of writing on my part.What you just said barely made any sense at all. I shouldn't even bother replying as you will probably come back with something even more laughable like "Pointing out your irrational beliefs is not rude unless you feel those beliefs are your arms and legs."
Utter claptrap. From someone with an understanding? Interesting.
Clearly, your only purpose in this discussion was to put others down because by speaking the way you are, you are essentially putting down millions of people who are in search of hope, and therefore turn to their gods and their beliefs for answers.
You are bang out of order.
You are saying that those who pray to their gods while living in poverty are deluded and have no understanding like you? I see how lofty you place yourself up there, try coming down off your high horse some time to join the millions of others not privileged enough to have learned as you "say" you have.
You say you have an understanding, yet you haven't explained a thing and I suspect if you even attempted to, your next post would not be shown here for another day or so due to the amount of time you spent searching Google and the library desperate to prove yourself right.
You merely spouted words tinged with negativity and a mocking superiority complex which equals: A Chip on the Shoulder.
You haven't graced any of your posts with an inkling of knowledge or facts to support both your claim that The Law of Attraction is "Bunkum" or that you have a so called "understanding."
You are welcome to your opinions, just don't go throwing tosh like that around freely because I have a feeling were you to do it anyplace other than an internet forum where you remain unseen, you might get much more than you bargained for.
I shall continue to be a believer no matter what is said by any other soul.
"All that we are, is the result of what we have thought."- Buddha
"Whatsoever things ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them."-Mark 11:24
Great men who dedicated their entire lives to this concept. They are enough evidence for me to believe. Do some reading Beelzadad and you might be surprised by what you find.
This will be my last post here on this thread. Thanks for the debate. I enjoyed it.Yes, I'm sure you'll continue to believe in irrational ideals based on the fact others did too, even though that is just ad populum fallacy. You are free to do so. No one is going to stop you from believing in nonsense, that is your prerogative.
Yes, I have read about things, but clearly you have not. If you did, you too would understand that the law of attraction violates physical laws and there is no evidence whatsoever for it's existence.
The questions you posed would demand I spend hours upon hours typing out responses to you when all of the information to answer those questions is readily available.
And, you'll also find that information explaining the law of attraction is nowhere to be found, yet you believe in it.I pity you and your narrow-mindedness Beelzedad, you clearly haven't read "things" and what the hell does "things" mean anyway? Does it mean a sign on the wall, a magazine, a receipt? We have all read "things" my friend and that certainly doesn't constitute being intelligent or knowledgeable as you claim to be.
I'll give you a taste of what I have read and show you why I don't just believe in it because others do too.
Lynne Mctaggart wrote a book called "The Field" in which she went on a quest to find out whether the "field" which incidentally is called the "god field" by Stephen Hawkings, can be affected by thought.
What she discovered through experimentation and interviewing a number of scientists was that thoughts do indeed affect not just this field, but also water.
READ ABOUT IT!
Firstly, in regards to water, a scientist named Masaru Emoto found that when water was exposed to thoughts or words on a daily basis, the water actually changed composition. When exposed to good thoughts, beautifully shaped ice-crystals formed, but when exposed to negative thoughts the water deteriorated and became cloudy. This clearly shows that thoughts have an effect on water. READ it and see for yourself, however, I'm sure that being the cynic you are, you'll find something to pick at!
That is evidence. Not blind belief as you continue to accuse me of. I studied Psychology at University, and you? I have studied the sciences and I know quantum physics, physics and all the other sciences. So what, that doesn't mean I'm going to prance about as you do, saying "I've studied this and I've read "things" therefore I'm qualified to doubt you and piss on your beliefs.
Stop making excuses and show me some of this knowledge you have. I'd love to sit in a room with you and debate on this.
I think it would be pretty short.
You blabber on in your negative, judgmental, narrow minded way about what you THINK you know, yet you continue to put forward no evidence to support your claim.
I accept that people have a right to give opinions and views, however, in order to back up their claims, evidence should be presented. Have you presented a shred? no, a scrap? no, a mere negative, crass, childish opinion from a faceless unknown person on the internet? YES!
There are random number generators which have been running since 2005 in the most populated places in the world. These generators measure the effect of combined human consciousness and they HAVE found that human consciousness does indeed have an effect on the machines. Whenever an significantly large event occurs, the random number generators begin to show a similar pattern. They show a pattern of non-random activity which was previously not there. How do you explain that Beelzedad? Oh sorry, I forgot. You don't explain do you, you just spout words that have no real purpose, other than to to be heard or read. Oh, this is just "ad populum fallacy" too isn't it? Gimme some evidence man, you are boring me.
When you break matter down to it's smallest form you find that it isn't even a form, at least not as most people believe. Quanta, which can be revealed by peeling back every layer of an atom is pure energy, nothing more. From that, we can see that not just living things, but all things are made of this energy. Everything is made of the same stuff! Incredible isn't it!? What about the mind then? Are you telling me that the mind which is an abstract "thing" (your favorite word:)) is made of that same stuff too? Is the mind composed of the meat or collection of quanta packets which is our brain? Give me some evidence? The mind is clearly something else, but what is it? I propose that the mind is "god" and is responsible for the creation of everything we see around us. We are all a part of this mind, this energy field. Perhaps it is a field of pure consciousness and if not, then please explain as you aren't making any sense at all with your blabbing.
Einstein stated "As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds."
Take note.
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
The unknown Stephen Hawkings said:
"The usual approach of science of constructing a mathematical model cannot answer the questions of why there should be a universe for the model to describe. Why does the universe go to all the bother of existing?"
These people are talking nonsense, surely. Right beelzedad?
You seem to have an answer for everything but when one looks closely at your answers, he finds that your answers have no foundation, they hold no water because they are filled with holes.
You question anything which isn't "science" but I get the feeling you actually know nothing of science and are using that as justification for your poor view of the universe.
The evidence IS and always has been here, in science, religion, philosophy and the endless miracles we are surrounded by.
You DO believe that there is more to this world for if you didn't, you wouldn't deny my beliefs so vehemently. The question is, just what are your beliefs? Do you believe that mathematics and physics is responsible for all existence?
No matter what you answer, if you don't explain, it means nothing. It is simply your small mind versus the millions upon millions who believe in God.
You believe in nothing and you seem to only want to judge others.
That's ok, if you want to spend your life in that limited way, with no imagination, no hope and beliefs then that is fine my friend.
I shall await your next page of meaningless babble.They are called books, if you really must know.
I've read a lot about how our world works and understand why the law of attraction is pure bunkum.
LOL! Lynn Mctaggart runs a website called, What Doctors Don’t Tell You which essentially drives a wedge between patients with serious or chronic illnesses and medical professionals only to direct them to the ill-informed, the delusional and the unscrupulous. She is not a doctor, she is only a journalist and writer.
She is a well known despicable charlatan who is only interested in bilking the gullible of their money. She sells dubious vitamin pills to cancer patients telling them they have hope of recovery. She is on the verge of running an illegal site according to the Cancer Act of 1939,
"No person shall take any part in the publication of any advertisement containing an offer to treat any person for cancer, or to prescribe any remedy therefor, or to give any advice in connection with the treatment thereof"
Lynn McTaggart should be doing some serious jail time.
Emoto is yet another charlatan bilking the gullible. He refused to share any of his findings that would allow scientists (Emoto is not a scientist) to experiment and is known for designing his findings in that leave them open for influence and error. He places more stress on his photographers making sure they take the best pictures as opposed to the actual work being done.
No, it isn't. It's snakeoil.
Now, I know your fabricating nonsense. Had you studied physics, you would know very well why the law of attraction is bunkum and why McTaggart and Emoto are both charlatans.
Really? And, where is your evidence for the law of attraction? Where is your evidence that McTaggart's vitamins work on cancer patients? Where is your evidence that Emoto's work is science?
You have presented nothing, yourself.
Pure nonsense, of course. There is no evidence whatsoever from the Global Consciousness Project. It actually began in 1998 and although the results have peaks and valleys, as any such experiment would show, none of the peaks and valleys align with any significant events.
LOL! Hilarious. Yes, I'm sure you believe in that nonsense.
Actually, it is you who is talking nonsense. Providing those quotes only shows you have no argument and must resort to creating strawmen.
And yet, you have not provided a shred of evidence for the law of attraction, or endless miracles, or religion, or anything else for that matter.
Once again, your lack of any formal education is showing again, in that one needs not believe what they understand, hence also the reason why you need to believe in nonsense.
Appeal to authority fallacy.
By the same measure, you appear to understand nothing.
What may seem extraordinary is not at all. I would suspect that the times people turned around specifically because they "felt" a set of eyes staring at the back of their heads is infinitesimally small and is more likely pure coincidence.
It is an experiment anyone can try. However, we need not even conduct such an experiment as we well know ourselves the time we spend observing other people and how often they have turned around and looked directly at you because they "felt" you were staring at them. We can also know for ourselves the times we are out in public and "feel" others staring at the back of our heads.
But, like all possibilities and all probabilities, yes, there are going to be instances where someone will indeed think they are being stared at and will turn to see someone staring at them.
But, is this some sort of magical force or is it just the probability that people observe other people all the time and we sometimes catch them doing it when they observe us?
- EarleRamageposted 14 years ago0
My pleasure. It reminded me of a commercial I saw while watching a hockey game, in which the advertised product was a Turkey burger and they had "Miss Turkey" walking down a pier in a bikini. Absolutely stunning!
I wonder if she suspected there were eyes staring at the back of her head?
I'm sure your theory warrants merit.
However, I would suspect that each and every time a prostitute's decision to get into a vehicle with a john may very well be a bad decision, and there is little they can do once the decision has been made. The probability of getting into a vehicle with a serial killer who will chop up the prostitute into little pieces is proportional to the times 'intuition' will save their life.
We can therefore see how this proportional equivalence of relying on intuition will shrink to infinity with the increased number of prostitutes a single serial killer can victimize.
The point I was trying to make about Miss Turkey is the fact that some, if not many people go out of their way to be observed, they want others to stare at them and they are fully aware of who is staring at them as they observe themselves.
Sorry your hurt, wasn't my intention.
The burden of proof is on those who make the claims. They would need to not only show exactly how it works, but also how it manages to not violate other physical laws.
Thank you, I did check out the comments on Byrne's book, but it would appear that you did not. Unfortunately, you may not like what you read.
"Byrne's book is problematic on many levels. On it's face, it's a manipulative marketing tool meant to flatter, confuse and deceive. It's also pseudoscience at its best, the last thing we need to encourage in an increasingly technological world which requires healthy skepticism and critical thought. Most damaging, though, is how the book perverts reality by encouraging people to equate a positive outlook on life with a childish, idiotic narcissism. Ayn Rand must be rolling in her grave hearing about the modern manifestation of her objectivist movement reduced to the intellectual equivalent of canned pork. "
Magnetic forces can be observed and measured, they have real effects on the world. What effects does the law of attraction exhibit? What characteristics and properties?
No, it isn't science by any stretch of the imagination. Sorry.
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