i want to know, do you believe that someone with the power of Jehovah through his son Jesus Christ (for example, a pastor, prophet etc)can heal someone with incurable disease like HIV AIDS, Cancer and also have the power to chase out evil and demonic spirits?
I believe in the Death and resurection of Jesus
Faith healers however have nothing to do with God, sorry
Since the former has never occurred, it is unlikely the latter will, too.
the former is un-proven Beelz, Not never occured
we do not know for sure, but there are some things to indicate more possible than not possible. I think I will go with possible.
Let naysayers say nay but Jesus peformed many a miracle. But faith healers of here and now are all fakes
Jesus could not perform any miracles of himself; he was only a Messenger Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH. Since the Creator-God Allah YHWH helps His messengers prophets against all odds; so whatever miracle Jesus performed were with the prayers to the Creator-God Allah YHWH and with the use of materials like medicines created by the Creator -God Allah YHWH; Jesus of himeslf had no authority on anything:
[3:46] When the angels said, ‘O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God; [3:47] ‘And he shall speak to the people in the cradle and when of middle age, and he shall be of the righteous.’
[3:48] She said, ‘My Lord, how shall I have a son, when no man has touched me?’ He said, “Such is the way of Allah, He creates what He pleases. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is.
[3:49] “And He will teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel;
[3:50] “And will make him a Messenger to the children of Israel (to say): ‘I come to you with a Sign from your Lord, which is, that I will fashion out for you a creation out of clay after the manner of a bird, then I will breathe into it a new spirit and it will become a soaring being by the command of Allah; and I will heal the night-blind and the leprous, and I will quicken the dead, by the command of Allah; and I will announce to you what you will eat and what you will store up in your houses. Surely, therein is a Sign for you, if you be believers.
[3:51] ‘And I come fulfilling that which is before me, namely, the Torah; and to allow you some of that which was forbidden you; and I come to you with a Sign from your Lord; so fear Allah and obey me.
[3:52] ‘Surely, Allah is my Lord and your Lord; so worship Him: this is the right path.’ ”
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=49
Since Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in India; after when he survived a cursed death on Cross by the grace of the Creator-God Allah YHWH whom he used to call God-the-Father, Jesus now cannot cure anybody by himself; he has no power in this connection.
Even, when alive, Jesus could and used to cure the sick as per the rules set by the Creator-God Allah YHWH; which is that by giving treatment to the sick with medicines as per his knowledge being a physician and also praying for the sick to the Creator-God Allah YHWH. As one knows curing diseases is a mix of prayer+medicine according to the condition of the sick.
Jesus could show no miracle of himself; whatever miracles he showed it was with the power of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; he himself had no power to show any miracles except requesting the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
One could see how helpless Jesus was when he was put on the Cross by the Jews; he prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH to save his life; and his prayer was accepted and his life was saved.
Thanks
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
never seen anyone healed. Never seen demonic spirits being driven out either. But seen attempts of both.
Yes, I believe that someone with the power of Jehovah God through his son Jesus can heal people with a incurable disease. I seen these miracles with my own eyes. I have family members who had cancer. On their next doctor visit, the doctor could not found not one trace or sign of the cancer which were evident before. Demonics spirits are cast out of people through the power of God also.
I don't think natural laws can be subverted. Therefore, NO. Jesus, nor anyone else could perform miracles.
However, physicians and other specialist can perform astounding feats, but only while adhering to the laws of nature.
And to believe Jesus raised himself from the dead is simply a compulsion, brought on by the remnants of the fear of authority.
No.
I have yet to view any verified data from any reputable, unbiased source which claims to prove one single so-called miraculous healing. If this were true, the hospitals of this world would be standing idle as no-one would need them anymore.
Do you believe in the miracle of Jesus Christ?
I think the biggest miracle of Jesus is which he promised to show to the "adulterous Jews" of his times; the Sign of Jonah.
So he did not die on the Cross and against all odds survived death on the Cross and made good his escape to India to spread his message assigned to him by the Creator-God Allah YHWH among the 10 lost tribes of the House of Israel, settled in and around India.
Jesus shows no miracles these days as he died a natural and peaceful death in India.
You are simply mistaken that Jesus shows any miracles these days.
You are wrong my friend, if you can not belielve the Bible, you ar e welcome to your opinion but you are wrong
He is very wrong! But he has the right to believe it just as anyone esle has a right to believe their own way!!!
I honestly don't agree with much Paarsurrey has to say! Most of it is offensive to christians or other religions! I think he should focus more on his own religion and stay out of others! He needs to dig deep and search for the truth!!!
I am not going to say that all who claim to have healed (faith healers) or those who have been healed are not of God... because I wasn't there and do not know! I know the power of God and know it is possible... and if it was God I am not going to be the one to say it wasn't his power! But... in my opinion I believe most of this to be fake! Most are trying to draw a crowd in numbers to fill their bank account! But to say all are fake I cannot say because I don't know!
Jesus performed many miracles! He was the son of God! I don't believe we see miracles today because God doesn't want us to! He wants people to chose him by faith, not by works or miracles! There will come a time when all will see the miracle of our Lord when he splits the Eastern skies and many will say "Lord, Lord" and he will say "depart from me ye workers of iniquity for I knew you not"!
Jesus had a mother named Mary; when did she marry with the christian-god-the-husband and in which Jewish temple this maariage was solemnized and please name the Jewish-priest who lead the service?
Sign of johna - ok. But not same as johna.
Johna was with blood. But JESUS was with out Blood.
Weird; Jesus had no blood in his body; do you exactly believe in this? If he had no blood; then definitely there would be no purpose of Jesus having a heart. What is your opinion about it?
Blood drained [Drop of Blood &water came out in cross - Soldiers confirmed] . I belive that he came out the Tomb as like LAZARES.
My son went to church one evening with a knot in his throat and running a fever. He went up to the alter for prayer. He was slain in the spirit. When he got up the knot was gone and his fever was gone. I saw it happen, so yes, I do believe that Jesus heals thru faith.
The miracles, yes. I do believe. As far as Jehovah. I wish folks would not call Him that. By doing so, I feel they are committing blasphemy.
How so? Jehovah is one of his names.
Isiah 12-2
Behold, God is my salvation, I will trust and not be afraid, for the Lord Jehovah is my strength and my song, he also is become my salvation.
God has many names.
God, as most refer to Him, is still not His Name. No one knows His Name. Yes, they do refer to Him as Jehovah and many other "names", but what would be equal to what is our given name, Nobody knows it for sure.
I can't remember exactly the verse, but I have read, by calling Him by anything other than His Name, we are in danger of blasphemy
Many of the older versions of the Bible refer to Him as Jehovah, I AM, and many others. But these, as I understand it, are just descriptive names of Him..
Let's close all the clinics and hospitals then. Why do we need doctors when Jesus will cure all? He cures your sons fever but does not feed the starving.
Pullleeeze.
Why close clinics and hospitals? God gave them the knowledge and ability to heal for a reason.
He did heal my sons fever and remove the knot in his throat. I believe in God, I am certainly not going to lie about him. He has healed me to.
Sorry, but whatever the doctors did to your son was a result of science, understanding and knowledge, all the things believers despise. Where were the doctors 2000 years ago?
My son didn't see a human Dr. On a Sunday, he got out of bed with a rock hard knot in his throat and running a fever. He said he wanted to go see Dr. Jesus. He went to church and was healed. I'm sorry your mind can't grasp that truth, but that doesn't make it any less true.
Beelzeded, I have read countless times you have referred to God not providing for the starving. I agree, there are starving people, even here in the good ole usa. But look at the whole picture. Provisions are made. Plenty. But in a lot of cases, local government blocks them from reaching their destination. Here in the usa, plenty of families with and without kids receive food stamps. Many of them sell their stamps for cash, at 50 percent of the value or even less. So, again, how is it that God does not provide?
Yes, believers keep providing the same contradictions in a vain attempt to explain a contradiction. Funny, how when things go the way they want, believers praise their gods, but when prayers are not answered, it's all mans fault.
b-dad, when things go our way. Ok, not that it is any of your business, nor am I trying to make anyone feel bad, sad or whatever. Here are how things are going my way. I received a pink notice, ele bill. I received a late notice on last years tax notice. You know, possible tax sale. These are just a few of the things that are going on in my life. But, it aint Gods fault. Lack of work due to stroke.
Beelzedad, I am a believer and I praise God through the good and the bad.
Actually, God heals through the doctor's hands and he also heals at church or anywhere Praise God!
And yet, so many die at "his hands" while attempting to heal them. Naturally, you'll blame this on evil, atheist doctors, LMAO!
Beelzedad, Very kind of you to add to my words. I never said everyone recieves healing. There are other reasons people die, so I don't blame it on evil. I have been perecuted once again. I will rejoice!!
And, why is that? Who are the "special" ones that receive healing?
Just like there are other reasons why people live, none of them having anything to do with your belief system.
You are a scientist and like scientific statistics.
Is it not true that since the beginning of records that the growth rate of the population stays consistent at approx 1 percent growth.
Ya gotta have almost as many people dieing as are being born or we would soon be standing shoulder to shoulder with no place to lie down to sleep.
Think about it!
Have you heard of the famous placebo effect? This could explain the so called 'miracle' just as well. Your son (if the story is true...) could've healed himself with the power of faith, but not faith in a god, faith in the fact that he will be healed, and thus, through blind faith he managed to heal himself, without any EXTERNAL help.
I know a christian whose mother died of cancer (from reproductive organs) & believes god gave mother cancer so she converted to christianity (which she did when dying, because daughter certain going to hell). Condition is genetic. She is anxious to have reproductive organs out as fears getting cancer.
See the conflict?
At one time I had a problem with my neck. It would hurt so bad even carrying a loaf of bread would cause me pain. When I first started attending a Church of God, I was there to observe. I had heard about being slain in the spirit, speaking in tongues, but had never seen it. I was curious. I was sitting in the back pew, just to watch and listen. Suddenly, heat struck my neck, went up my neck, down my back and across my shoulders. My neck never hurt again. I thank the Lord for healing me. I didn't ask for it. It wasn't in my mind. I was healed.
Yes, it is all true. I wouldn't say it if it wasn't.
Jesus died in India long ago. He has no power to heal somebody now; you are mistaken.
MIRACLE of GOD not JESUS.Because a lady got miracle with out JESUS knowledge.After miracle only JESUS stop walking and asked about the faith touch.
Faith in god only gives miracle.
Jesus could show no miracle of himself; whatever miracles he showed it was with the power of the Creator-God Allah YHWH; he himself had no power to show any miracles except requesting the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
Do you believe in the miracle of Jesus Christ? No.
It might be helpful to learn about consciousness adorned by human beings and when it actually began.
It might actually help understand that Jesus did not perform any miracles whatsoever, due to the fact of those who claim to have seen them were at the lowest conscious level at the time.
The poor he helped were illiterate and unaware of their own existence. If you need proof of such, then look when the word "I" was established within any religious book.
One could see how helpless Jesus was when he was put on the Cross by the Jews; he prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH to save his life; and his prayer was accepted and his life was saved. This is the reality of miracles of Jesus.
but according to Christians jesus choosed his cross event..He went there knowingly and came back..so it was jesus calling the shots...
Yes I do believe in THE MIRACLE, that is JESUS CHRIST. PSALM 146: 3 Do not put your trust in princes, in mortal man, who cannot save.
Then why did the disciples fled away? Did they not believe in Jesus or they were busy writing the gospels?
I think Jesus told them to. That night before the crucifixion.
Jesus told them to put away their swords. He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword. They still had God's work to do, so they needed to live so they could do it.
Check out libby101a hub about the history of Jesus in the OT.
Didn't know there were so many.
I'll do that, Thank ya.
Hope everything is going well down in Texas!
Could be better could be worse.. don't live under a bridge.
Still strong enough to work and still enjoy doing it once I get there. HA
I checked out libby101a's hub. That's a great hub. Thanks for recommending it.
Take care of yourself at work!
Then why did he command them to sell their clothes and buy a swords to start with. Was it a mistake of the christian-god-the-son or of the christian-god-the-father or of the christian-god-the-holyghost or of all the combined trinity ? Or it is a confusion of the christians that need rectification.
One could see how helpless Jesus was when he was put on the Cross by the Jews; he prayed to the Creator-God Allah YHWH to save his life; and his prayer was accepted and his life was saved. This is the reality of miracles of Jesus.
Not acording to my book.
It was prophesied 1000 years earlier that he would die and rise again.
He came to fulfill his fathers promises.
What he said on the cross was (in My words)
Father .. Have you forgotten me, I have finished what you asked, Don't leave me here. I am ready.
I believe Jesus Christ can do anything that is in His will to do. I also know He is not a magician. He will not try to prove himself to anyone or anything. What He will do is demonstrate His grace and mercy and allow the best possible outcome for the individual involved. If a person believes in God, they already know that God will never leave nor forsake his believers. Sometimes it is God's will that a person comes to heaven to be with him. For a believer that is better than remaining in the flesh and experiencing life as we know it. This is not preaching it is faith I am demonstrating.
Thanks; you take care too.
Love all of Yawl.
I'm going to go fall down on the couch.
Going to Power wash and prep a house tomorrow and paint the next day.
Good night ... I think... Might get back up later ???????
Jerami wrote:
Ya gotta have almost as many people dieing as are being born or we would soon be standing shoulder to shoulder with no place to lie down to sleep.
Think about it!
LBeelzedad wrote LMAO! Jeremy, you are one funny dude. You keep coming up with all kinds of silly responses to support your belief system, all of which are completely devoid of thought.
If you keep this up, my sides will indeed split.
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I wasn't defending any belief system..
SOME people who I won't name keeps crying that "Why does God let so many people die First for one reason and then another.
Don't ya know that if people keep having babies there will always be a need for people to die ?? Unless the earth keeps getting bigger , that ain't gonna happen.
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