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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   The Last Chapter.
   
     Who reads only the last chapter of a novel?
   
     Who begins in the middle of a book?
   
     How can anyone SAY  that they believe "the prophesy" when they haven't read them to understand them?
     Most people believe "Interpretations" that other people have formulated, and accept them without checking it out for themselves. 
   
     "The  Little Horn?"  ...  All Christians have heard about HIM!
   
     BUT  who knows what the scriptures "Actually" say !!
   
     Interpreters of scripture teach that he "IS" the Antichrist that is to come before the Rapture; at some time in our future.
   
     The bible actually says that "The Little Horn"  is a King belonging to the FOURTH Kingdom having dominion over the earth.
   
     The first, second and third kingdoms were identified as Babylon, Greece, and the Med-Persian kingdoms.
      The fourth "WAS" the Roman Empire!!
      The "Little Horn"  WAS  the 14 emperor of "The Roman Empire."
      He will rise up replacing three after the first ten.
   
      The 14th emperor of the Roman Empire  WAS  the last "king" to have dominion over the earth (Israel).
   
   We need to teach the written word of God!  Not our interpretations of what is written!
   
     Until we accept what is written ??? 
     We should not teach it.
   
     We cannot accept what is written until we have read it for ourselves.

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      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      You should, from time to time, follow through what you advise others to do. Walk the walk, Jerami.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Any you believe that I haven't already done so?

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            Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Your posts would indicate that, yes.

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               Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               I am speaking ONLY in reference to understanding the prophesy as written in scripture.
               
                   When attempting to understand them we have to do the same thing as when we study world history!
               
                   There HAS TO be a time frame established.
                   The Civil war in America did not happen before the revolutionary war?
               
                   Columbus is not going to land his ships at some time in the future.
               
                   God did not give all of those prophesy without giving us a timeline.
               
                  There are as many indications as to when these prophesy are going to occur as there are prophesy!!!
               
                  GOD himself; Gave us the key to understanding these time lines "ONLY"  one time that I am aware of!
               
                  Daniel 9
                 V.1   identifies the year; Between Oct. 15 539 BC and Oct 15 538 BC
                 V23    At the beginning of thy supplications 
                       THE  COMMANDMENT came forth  !!!!
                 V25  KNOW therefore and UNDERSTAND!  that from the going forth of the commandment ....  unto the Messiah shall be 69 weeks.
               
                 V26  and after 62 weeks they will kill the Messiah.
               
                 If Jesus was the Messiah ...  62 weeks is the same period of time as 568 of our years.   Do the Math !
               
                 Everyone wants to ignore this    VERY  IMPORTANT  passage.
               
                 If we are going to ignore this passage ????
               Then don't even bother to attempt to understand any of the prophesy !!!

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                  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Sorry, I was referring to actually reading something other than scriptures for a change.

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      Disappearingheadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm listening jerami and Iagree with you on this one. I just do not understand why so many insist on seeing daniel in our future.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Been a rough day.  I'm back for a little while.
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           That baffles my mind.
         It is so clearly written!   
         
             Everything mentioned in these visions were to happen during the time of those four kingdoms!
         
             THEY say that the 62 weeks until Messiah is killed were fulfilled.
         
            The 70 weeks that that Hebrew Nation was given to anoint the Most Holy must have been finished before that Nation ceased to exist (For 1800 years).
         
             And yet the 69 weeks until Messiah the Prince is out there in Magic land;  just waiting and waiting to happen "SOME DAY"
         
         
             And after all of this time (Cause God is patient) 7 seal judgments and seven trumpet judgments and seven bowl judgments are all to be inflicted upon mankind within a seven year period.
         
           AND  the two witnesses are given power to cause droughts and plagues during this same seven year time period.
         
            Who would we be able to tell one judgment from the next??
         
            AND  once in a while God says  " and they didn't repent so I'm going to send the next wave of judgments!
         
            A seven year old after hearing this would know better.
         
         
            The four horsemen  of the four seal judgments rode immediately after Jesus arrived in heaven after the crucifixion.
         
           And prophesy has consistently been fulfilling itself ever sense  and time is running short.

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         Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Actually ...  to answer our question as to why ??
         
            They have to !!!!   Or a few other things have to be reevaluated ... 
            And they want to believe those things just the way it is currently understood.
         
            
         
            That creates confusion !!!  cause none of the details make sense when all of them are considered..  But  some people are comfortable seeing only the tip of the iceberg
         
            And maybe that is just as well ...  and  Maybe NOT.

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   Jeramiposted 14 years ago

   I think that these verses should be the foundation on which we attempt to build understanding of prophesy.
   
      If it doesn't fit on the foundation ?
     It doesn't belong  "YET"
   
     There has to be a system with building anything...
   including our belief system.
   
       Which reminds me ...  I gotta go move some sprinkler heads so I can build something.
   
      Back in a while.

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   stilljustwonderinposted 14 years ago

   I listened.  I know it is late.

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      Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Ha   S.J.W.   Hope all is well on the home front.
      
      
      
          I don't think that many people are listening to the
      62 weeks until they the Messiah.
      
         62 weeks in prophesy was 568 years on earth.
      
         Why does no one see any importance in that?
      
         This is clearly stated, and is "THE" key to unraveling the misconceptions of prophesy.
      
         All believers should read Daniel nine re framing from inflicting our own personal interpretations upon it.
      
       
          The 42 months of the Beast of Rev. 13 was given 1650 years to Blaspheme the Lord.   This 1650 years is about over!

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         Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         And when nothing happens then what are you going to do?

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            Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            The thing is, that I can not pinpoint the Exact year that Messiah was crucified. 
               Which means a week would be equal to 9.13 and 9.16 of our years. When calculating 180 weeks, .3 o leaves us with a 5.4 year margin of error.
            
               Another problem would be pinpointing the year that these 42 months began.
            
               So  NO I am not pointing to any particular Year.
            
               The major point is that 42 months is approx 1650 years.
            
               How many organizations have been blaspheming for 1650 years?
            
               And if this organization hasn't risen yet?  Then Earth has at least 1650 more years before we have to worry about the final battle.
            
                I am not necessarily speaking of what I  believe .. BUT ..
            What is written in scripture.

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               Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               So that also means that you're take on it is limited. Thus, it also means that it all could have already happened. And, you don't need to quote any more, because there is nothing you can say that would make it any different.
               
               The ironic part is that it is even more likely to have already happened than to happen.

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                  Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  You really do have a problem with comprehension concerning things that I speak of.
                  
                     Your analysis of my statement didn't make it to first base.
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                  Cagsil wrote ...
                      So that also means that you're take on it is limited. Thus, it also means that it all could have already happened. And, you don't need to quote any more, because there is nothing you can say that would make it any different.
                  
                  The ironic part is that it is even more likely to have already happened than to happen.
                  ================ ???????????????????????
                  
                     Yes it did begin a long time ago
                     Did you read the question about how many Powerful organizations have been blaspheming God; on the earth for 1650 years?
                  
                     What was the major issue of the day 1650 year ago from today?  = 360 AD.
                  
                   
                   
                    The subject matter of the story isn't all about the final page of the story.   But about everything between the beginning and the end.

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                     Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     If what I believe to be true is true???
                     
                         And in 538 BC Gods messenger angel said that in 62 weeks, that the Messiah will be killed   AND  568 years Jesus was killed. If Jesus was the messiah.
                       Does that not testify that 62 weeks of prophesy is 568 years on earth?   Which would mean that 42 months is the same (approx) as 1650 of our years?
                     
                        Just for grins!  What came into being 1650 years ago?

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         stilljustwonderinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Yes it is.  The time lines were put in the book of Daniel for a reason.  We were told to watch the signs of the times.  Watch, and be ready.

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