If western media, politicians and other public say that Muslims are terrorists and Islam is a terror spreading religion why don't they look at their own history and present scenario. If killing innocent people is terrorism then America is the biggest terrorist because of killing innocent people in Afghanistan in pakistan in iraq and in many other Muslim countries.
Terrorism can never be linked to a religion because religions have rules to follow and they never have rules that are not good for human beings. Islam too has rules and these rules are for the betterment of humanity and for peace in the world not to spread terror.
Muslims were called terrorists after 9/11 but we all know that before 9/11 Islam was the fastest spreading religion in the world. Muslims never caused harm to other people before 9/11. Muslims were blamed for 9/11 attack and after it America started spreading terror in every muslim country so it seems like well planned formula of the western world to stop Islam from spreading.
Secondly where is Osama bin laden, nobody ever saw him and western media says that he is alive then he must be a wizard or he has other magical powers or he has sorcerer stone that keeps him alive.
afghanistan is unfortunate country...iraq ...yes that was mistake ...pakistan and usa are partners...they jointly created taliban ..bin laden is their creation...pakistan's leadership acknowledges that...pakistan has suffered a lot as far as human lives are concerned but it has gained at lot as far as money and weapons are concerned from usa...pakistan can opt out if it wants but pakistan rulers dont do that..so can't blame americans for that...america calls pakistan its partner...
Here in America we have a saying: "The squeaky wheel gets the grease."
It would help those of us who know that not all Muslims are terrorists to get more support from others if the Muslim world would do a better job of denouncing ridiculous human rights abuses such as forced marriages, honor killings, forbidding women from going to school, getting jobs, driving, or leaving the house without male permission, the use of stoning and beheading for executions, the use of flogging for punishment, etc. Muhammad (pbuh) may have been a prophet, but he also lived in the 6th century and it would behoove more Muslims to acknowledge that behavior acceptable (and even progressive) in the 6th century is not and should not be acceptable in the modern world.
That said, I acknowledge that America bears a lot of the blame for the radicalization of Islam thanks to our support (through direct aid and oil revenue) of the extreme fundamentalist regime of Saudi Arabia. It's the equivalent of the Muslim world collectively handing over hundreds of billions of dollars a year to Fred Phelps. The West would be a mess, too, if such influence were handed to such a regressive force.
"Why Islam is always linked with Osama bin Laden and other terrorists"
Are you asking a question or attempting to answer one?
The short answer is because Bin Laden uses his religion as justification for his terrorism.
If he was a Baptist doing the same thing then that religion would be linked with him.
If you are answering a question then I am waiting for the answer.
This reminds me of one of Omid Djalili's comedy bits. Taking the extremists as representatives of Islam is like al-jazeera saying 'Now to get an unbiased view of the west lets go to this gun toting KKK member Billy Bob, Billy Bob, what do you think?...Billy Bob- Death to all non white christians!' Not very neutral
BTW Omid Djalili is totally hysterical, great comedian!
Flogging a dead horse here:
Not all Muslims are terrorists but all terrorists are Muslims. PLease don't bring in Intifada, IRA and all those. They are irrelevant to thsi discussion
All terrorists are Muslim? Are you joking? I don't know you well enough to tell. By what definition of terrorism could that possibly be true?
Tell me how many terrorist attacks had taken place in the past six years and how many were by somebody other than Islamists?
Let's see, just glancing through the first six months of this year, we've got grenades set by Hutu militia, the ETA expanding their repertoire from Spanish to French policemen, two bombs (one successful, one not) set by republicans in Northern Ireland, a bombing by Marxist rebels in Columbia, a bombing by anarchists in Canada, and a bombing in Thailand that may be connected to pro-Thaksin groups. Certainly, there are more attacks by Islamist groups than non-Islamist groups, but to say that all terrorists are Muslim is ludicrous.
@thirdmillenium: Terrorists are mostly Muslims, I agree. However Muslims are no terrorists! Don't Christians have terrorists as well? They're just not as brave enough as the Muslim terrorists but there are also non-Muslims who have the psycho capacity to think of exterminating the human race Okay?
It has nothing to do with the religion,its just happened that terorist and bomber are islam..as we noticed that bombers and terrorist origin from iraq and afghanistan if we just trace the origin.on my opinion that is just only their act of retaliation,when US troop Trying to control those country..or if there is on going operation..so that the attention or fucos of US goverment will be split..and i guess if the US troop withdraw from those country there will be a lil peace.
Maybe it is because Islam has negative popularity. People so lack knowledge about it. When they think they know enough, they really don't. I am a convert of the mentioned religion and i can attest... Islam is the most peace loving religion. I've been into three religions and I had the opportunity to study other religion as well. I am proud to say that it is only in Islam where I find real comfort and ease. It DOES NOT teach anything about terrorism nor does it command us, the Muslims to go kill and exterminate people and we will be rewarded. That's totally not a Muslim thing Allah is wonderful, forgiving, omniscient, omnipotent... He is kind hearted. In fact, Allah wants the Muslims to respect disbelievers :> La ilaha ill Allah :> May Allah's blessings be with everyone.
In other words, what the religion and what the god wants has nothing to do with the choice you made but instead has everything to do with what you want to believe, hence you found that Islam is close enough.
yes the Quran has some peacefull passages in it , but as you VERRY WELL know the peacefull verses have been ABROGATED by later verses which are not peacefull.
Yes Islam does preach hate to wards Christians and Jews, it is just you refuse to admit it. I gather you have not really read the Quran at all, if you have please take off your 'blinkers' and read the bad parts too.
May you truly read the Quran
"Why Islam is always linked with Osama bin Laden and other terrorists?"
Because western media doesnt show any positive examples of Islam or any positive actions by members of its faith.
I couldnt come up with any examples of a muslim/islam based organization that is conducting itself in a positive manner globally for the benefit of many people (i.e. not just muslim, or middle eastern,)
Im sure some exist, but I have never heard about it and I would wager that the rest of us seeing the same media sources havent either.
I heard about the muslim radicals that were connected with 9/11 bombings but I didnt hear about the Muslim radicals who donated food and money to haiti or new orleans.
*idiot proof disclaimer - I am in no way am I supporting any connection between a religion/faith and the actions of individuals who claim to be acting in its name*
"I heard about the muslim radicals that were connected with 9/11 bombings but I didnt hear about the Muslim radicals who donated food and money to haiti or new orleans."
Thank you for respecting Islam I noticed too, good and beneficial acts by the Muslims aren't really well famed. This is so because Muslims, unlike most Christians do good deed by heart without the intention of letting others know. I've seen Christians give away millions for charitable institutions and hey there is a bonus gladness for them when they hear their names on the news with the reporters uplifting their names by saying so and so has donated so and so amount to this so and so institution. This said so and so benefactor have been helping lots of people now.
Don't you agree Christians do it this way? Though not all, there are afew compared to the some kind hearted Muslims that do not let know of their good deeds AT ALL.
Well, this isn't really the matters or teaching of the religion. I am aware this happens because of the people's choice and I am also verily aware that in training an individual towards good decision making, religion serves as a training ground.
God bless you sunforged. Again, thank you for the respect
These terrorists claim to be Muslim the same way as the 12th Century Crusaders who murdered Muslims, Eastern Christians, Jews, etc., claimed to be Christian.
It is true about the Crusaders in the 12th Century, I agree it was a direction from Pope Gregory ( I belive ) but you must also agree we do not do that anymore. I personally belive it was a mistake, but there is no one alive now that is affected by that. However I do not agree that you can put the terroists to day in the same light, as the whold world is more enlightend now. If not it should be.
Some "love" from the quoran.
Qur’an 9:123 “murder them and treat them harshly”
Qur’an 3.28 Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.
NOTE: By ‘guarding carefully’, a Muslim should deceive the infidel. Acting as a friend is fine as long as it is to benefit the Muslim and protect Islam.
For all the believers in the bible, I know you don't mind these words of hate coming from the quoran, but before you post your agreement, go check out the same rubbish in your "good book"
yes mate the Bible has some rought passesges, but I for 1 treat everybody with peace and respect. That is until you either insult me or insult my beliefs, I do not force my beliefs on you, and expect the same in return, I will talk about our differences, but no one has to come to blows over ANY Religious Beliefs. To each his own.
I am Catholic, but do not force it on you are anybody else.
Have a great day Earnest.
Hi skipper. I'm glad you don't force your beliefs on others, I find that uncommon here.
I don't set out to insult anyone's beliefs, I simply point out what I see as preposterous one -eye-closed views from religionists who refuse to own the words in their own tomes, the very source of their beliefs.
I would put it this way.
If a belief system is being held to be inclusive, in other words if I am included in it's beliefs, then I am entitled to reject that belief vehemently if it is being quoted.
It is in fact an attack on my beliefs or lack of them in the case of religion.
I deny any religion that has a psychotic entity that requires worship. To me that is not a god, that is a psychotic man speaking.
Have a nice day yourself Skipper.
'To me that is not a god, that is a psychotic man speaking!' I don't set out to insult anyone's beliefs. I am simply quoting earnestshub.
Earnest, Here there is no point trying to preach any religion, that is not the subject of this thread. To do so is disrepectfull.
Northern Ireland is bad I agree but that fight is rarely exported, they do not attack other countries.
ok then lets say 'all islamic' terrorists, that attack other countries, that attack, kidnap westerners ( and hide behing face masks) as they cut a mans head off on live TV, only "islamic terrorists' kill as they fly aircrafts into buildings, I do not see any other religion behaveing like this.
How can you claim Muslims are peacefull and kind , I find that hard to belive when Muslim's do the exact opposite. Show me were your so called 'peacefull Islam' has not been Abrogated to more extream Islam.
I'd sure like to know that.
I understand I am quite hard to believe but babe you should believe in the impossible you know. I mean, what you think is impossible may not be so. It may seem like you know enough but bro you don't see the greater part of Islam. Please do not label the majority with the mistake and unrighteousness of a group of not so moral people like terrorists. Islam is after all peaceful in a way that it teaches kindness, unconditional love, FORGIVENESS (yes, forgiveness) and so on and so forth. You might think I am ridiculing my self but I am so not. There are two kinds of Islam -- Suni and Shiite. The Shiites are more likely (just more likely) the terrorists-like but it doesn't mean the Sunis are too. I can not really explain what the Shiites believe in for the reason that I haven't explored that part of islam yet. Yes, it is a part of Islam and sadly Islam tends to be misinterpreted by some Muslims their selves. If you are looking for a proof, I can attest I know lots of Muslims who follow the peaceful path of Islam. Personally, I am a peaceful person. I believe you are well aware that the behaviour of a person is not characterized by religion alone. Intervening factors such as parental upbringing, environment, friends, etc. exist and so the negative actions of a person or a group of people should not be blamed for their religion. They may be together and they maybe Muslims but dude, that's still not enough. There are still lots of angles to look at. Birds of the same feathers flock together. This may be the reason why terrorists are mostly (but not all maybe) Muslims. Muslims are courageous and brave peope. We aren't afraid to die as long as we are fighting for what is right. This way, I assume the terrorists had mistaken the wrong as right. Hm. I hope I explained my point well to you. Thank you for replying. :> It's nice to run through a page like this :> Someone asking for clearance of things he/she is confused about rather than spreading senseless assumings having no basis at all. So thank you for the effort. More power.
I hope you won't see me as disrespectful but I would just like to know where you've read those verses. I mean, the REAL quran sir is in Arabic and I assume you kind of misinterpreted the message of the said holy book. Or if not sir, maybe the quran you read was ridiculed and forged. Those verses are a no no. Their harsh, cruel, and evil and frankly THEY AREN'T PRESENT IN ANY OF THE PAGES OF THR HOLY QURAN.
Still, you are entitled to your own opinion and you have your own beliefs. I very well know I won't change any piece of your negative insight towards Islam but I really do not know where you based your beliefs. I can't help to think that your sources are quite not right. Any who, thank you for your time. I can see you are indeed intelligent, a genius in some sort maybe but please do not misinterpret your extreme intelligence. You are sooooo blessed with truly great thinking ability and I believe all those are due to God's grace, kindness, and love. Take care.
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