Jesus overturned the moneychangers tables, but was he really a socialist?
Jesus told the rich young man to sell all his possession and give it to the poor. He gave free health care to all who asked. He proposed the we help the sick and unfortunate neighbors in the parable of the Good Samaritan. He protected the tax-payers. He protected the prostitutes from receiving their customary sentence of stoning to death. He feed the hungry. He went against the big-business interest of those days. He went against the religious right wings.
Sound to me he fits the definition of a liberal socialist.
Jesus had no political position, because politics didn't exist at his time nor did it exist in the place where he did his teachings.
Religion was born first, then politics was born from religion.
And, people wonder why the world is screwed up?
Then it's time to reword the question. Was Jesus the first socialist?
I would still say no Haunty.
Romans started with religious beliefs before they employed politics.
Well, they were definitely political by the time Jesus arrived.
Rubbish, it is likely that the most primitive groups sat down and made collective decisions, the earlier ones probably deciding if they should invent religion or not.
If there was a Jesus he was almost without dout a socialist, the loaves and fishes and all that?
So, the Roman Empire, for example, had nothing whatsoever to do with politics?
Just a thought
It is wrong to judge Jesus in our weigh balance of perceptions. To judge Jesus who was a God appointed Manifest of God, one should first know of the background - the aim and the purpose of God in assigning to Jesus what he did. He gave one whole conduct of love and life. The tiny things like Politics and Socialism are all studed in the preaching what he made to convey of the God mission.
A limited understanding of religion leads to one to post something similar to what I've responded to. However, I guess it is expected.
@Camlo, I'm not doubting they were political in some way, nothing compared to today.
@John Holden, of course primitive groups made joint decisions and even that being said- I'm using a different perspective, which incorporates everything known about the time. But, I guess calling it "rubbish" is the best you can muster.
And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother. And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth. Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me. And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.
And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Jesus was none of the above.
Everyone is forgetting the other choice for what his affiliations were.
There are seven of them there now. Shall we peer in? Shell we disrupt their private sacraments?
"@John Holden, of course primitive groups made joint decisions and even that being said- I'm using a different perspective, which incorporates everything known about the time. But, I guess calling it "rubbish" is the best you can muster"
Had you explained that like many others you'd changed the meaning of politics for the purpose of the post I would have viewed it differently.
I was thinking of politics as group decisions, going back to the roots, could explain why I was less than complimentary about you reasoning that religion pre-dated politics, by my reasoning the very act of creating a religion would be proceeded by a meeting deciding the nature of the religion.
Still can't quite see your perspective though, sorry.
Of course Jesus was not a Socialist - he spent all his time giving motivational lectures and starting little businesses everywhere. This is the reason the churches of today have all that useful wealth to do all those good works. My pastor got a new Cadillac this week - Praise the Lord ! Proving the power of prayer again - Praise the Lord !
It's nice to see you praising the lord since PCUnix showed us the light and the way!
I have already grown an extra inch in height myself since my conversion, my cancer is cured and I am about to learn how to speak in tongues. Jeebus is coming and I have to go buy wine.
OMG! That is funny.
"I have to go buy wine...."
What a great line. That just tickled me to no end.
I got thinking about the origins’ of where politic cross over with religion.
To the best I can collect, you can say military was first politic to order of western world. Maybe military hold true today where Obama can collect a noble peace prize wail raising the military budget to the highest ever. Two super powers the Military complex and global public option.
Thank God, excuse my expression, we can still express our selves on this forum.
Ur (about 2400-2200 B.C.). Dynasty of the city of Babylon, the build first castle like structure to defend from animal. I noticed Satanism and 'animal worship' were mentioned. Paganism is Earth worship, and Heathenism and original Satanism are the two eldest religions,
A. recorded by the priests in the dynastic tablets. There afterward, Sumer had the first system of law, the first educational system, the first love song, and more first dynasty of Babylon. . The first tax cut stone with inscribed details of land grants that were grants of tax exemption on land. ...
The idea of God, weapons of these warriors that shaped the dawn of human civilizations from 1,500 to 500 BC, students of warfare will understand why these commanders were victorious on the battlefield. Is shared in many religions- Hinduism- Sri-Krishna Heathenism- Odin Judaism, Judeo-Christianity- etc.
A pagan belief. Monotheistic beliefs came from the Jews and an Egyptian king who worshiped RA only. Gnostics who wrote the entire Bible, then the Jews created Christianity, and the Vatican claimed that The Holy Texts were the only 'important parts' and sought to destroy all the rest. Now Christianity has what is called "The Holy Bible",
the idea of evils is - Hinduism- the 3 Gunas Judaism, Judeo-Christianity- demons/devils
A pagan belief. Monotheistic beliefs came from the Jews and an Egyptian king who worshiped RA only. Gnostics who wrote the entire Bible, then the Jews created Christianity, and the Vatican claimed that The Holy Texts were the only 'important parts' and sought to destroy all the rest.
That gives cause for contimplation.
I will ponder on that for a spell.
Gotta gor for a while.
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