Fate/Destiny: What do you think about & what does your religion says?

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   weblogposted 16 years ago

   Lord Brahma - The Creator!!!
   
   
   
   Hindus believe it is Lord Brahma(the creator) to write the destiny of every living being(just like pre-programing the robots) that he creates... So, I'm curious to know how it is in other religions.

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      mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Brahma is also considered the Divine light.The purpose of life is to become a Brahmin or knower of Brahma -The Enlightened One.One is then able to say "Aham Bhramasmi' or "I am that" or " I am Bhrama".
      All has been destined since the beginning of time.We are like puppets and the universe works through us.At the same time you must do your part and the universe does its part, we are one.
      Reagrds
      Mohit

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         Zarm Nefilinposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         lol?
         
         You must be the one pulling the strings then right?
         
         Aww shucks, give me a turn to pull the strings too! waaaaaa
         
         I don't want Brahma, and dolls and string pulling has little use to me.  I might like to take the strings and make "Jacob's ladder" out of them with my hands and a little bit of time.
         
         How do you like dem apples?
         
         Mohit, I dub thee, The Divine Stringpuller, but I'ma hafta charge you 19.95 + S&H for dem strings .

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            mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            You will aslo get enlightened its a question of time.

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               mohitmisraposted 16 years agoin reply to this

               The truth also is that you are the universe , its your ego which seperates you.You are Brahma. This is what The Laughing Buddha means.He understands he is the director,producer,actor and audience in the play,he has created all this.

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   Most religions believe in free will, for without it, what would be the need for them. However in the West, one religion that believes in predestination is Calvinism. The great thing here, is that if you are born rich, it is a sign of predestined grace of God.
   Of course sadly, born poor you may as well chuck it in. Probably is a caste system.

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      Paragliderposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      Calvinism has had a bad press but I think this is being slightly hard on it. It thrived in many poor communities, e.g. in 17th & 18th C Scotland. It did help, of course, to be born Calvinist, i.e. into a Calvinist family. Also worth noting that though they believed in predestination, they did not all believe themselves to be listed among the chosen ones.

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   SparklingJewelposted 16 years ago

   I personally wouldn't equate humanity (most of us anyway!) with robots. But my beliefs, gleaned from a conglomeration of religions and philosophies studied over the years, believes in a divine plan for each soul. The divine plan being a product of lives lived, good karma and not good karma.       But it is by our sense of free will that we make our plan unique.
   
   I look at the divine plan as the "skeleton" and the human free will as the "flesh and blood" that fills in the space that is there that creates the whole person. Meaning that no matter what the divine plan, there are several ways that the human can out picture the divine plan.
   
   Like if it was part of a soul's divine plan to greatly care for others, they could accomplish it by being a parent or by being a doctor. Whatever the main lesson to be learned of the divine plan, either human scenario could accomplish the plan.

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   weblogposted 16 years ago

   Karma, incarnations...I'm not talking about that, and I mentioned robots just for a relative example.
   
   I just asked an open question that anybody can answer if interested.....well, it will be like this if I put in other words:
   
   Do you feel like the things happening now(and in future) are pre-planned by God or some Super Natural Power? (if you call it is destiny/fate) What is the proof? Or is it just a belief? Does your religion grow up like that?

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   'So, I'm curious to know how it is in other religions'
   'Karma, incarnations...I'm not talking about that, and I mentioned robots just for a relative example. '
   'I just asked an open question that anybody can answer if interested.....'
   Apparently you are one of these guys that asks a question and then is never happy with the answer. Maybe you just give the answer and will tell you the question. Predestination.

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      weblogposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      First of all, I don't believe in Destiny. Just like Sandra said, "....there are only two destinies - Life and death...." I agree with it.
      
      
      If I say I'm happy with your answer, you will be happy...Is that what you expect?
      
      I was just trying to ask my questions more clear than in the thread beginning, it was not targetting you....I mean, not meant only for you. It's open to all. If I can't get different answers, then how can we say this is a discussion forum?
      
      You can't expect me to be happy with your answer, just single answer, and I'm not for it. I want various people to express their opinion on the topic, I think it's quite normal to expect so

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         sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

         I would guess and say the reason Knowyourself said this is because of the imfamous Mo, who has been and does this continually so the integrity of the reigion forum has been tainted by a person who finds it unneccasary to acknowledge any opinion or view but his own. 
         
         I do however understand what your saying, and your right. 

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            weblogposted 16 years agoin reply to this

            
            Yes, I'm aware of the enlightened poet(?!)

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   I am with Knowyourself... what would be the point in believing in predestination, it's like saying I was predestined to find out there was no such thing as predestination, and destiny is the final conclusion to life, it's called death. 
   
   So, I was predestine to be born, I know this cause my parents told me I was planned.  I am here and I am predistine to die as a result of life, so ultimaly there are only two destinies. 
   
   Life and death.  Everything in between can be equated to Karma, but to be real, good karma does not always bring good karma and bad karma sometimes brings good karma, so either way, like the four or eight fold path...
   
   suffering is predistine,  so do the right thing, know that bad things will happen, and then move on. 
   
   Did you catch that?  Now forget it! 

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   sandra rinckposted 16 years ago

   of course, you could be predestined for something after death, but who can tell you before hand? 

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   Zarm Nefilinposted 16 years ago

   Fate is a despicable form of Fiat that is not based in reality usually.
   
   I would not call the law of gravity a form of fate, I would call the law of gravity a logical deterrent based on evidence and experience that prevents one from jumping from heights that are too far up in order to preserve limb integrity and life as well.
   
   Fate is nothing but an illusion if those in "authority" have no power to ruthlessly enforce it on those they have "authority" over.  If they have the authority to impose it then it is not only an illusion but a potentially co-erced situation.
   
   It is one nice big mindgame, fate that is.
   
   Example:
   
   Someone says:
   Your in a box and you have to stay there.
   
   You Ask:
   Why?
   
   A:
   Because that is the way it has to be.
   
   Q:
   Why can't I get out?
   
   A:
   Because you cannot it is fate.
   
   Response:
   But I do not want to be here, I want to change my circumstances.
   
   A:
   That is too bad you must stay in your box.
   
   Objection:
   But I do not want to stay in this box, I want to better myself.
   
   A:
   That is too bad, this is your fate, be happy you have even what you have or you will end up with a smaller box, and what little you have will be taken away from you.
   
   
   My Final response:
   You may be a master of illusions, but you are not the master of me.  You can kill me but I will not submit to you.  Come and take them.  I will show you your fate (mockery).
   
   
   My understanding of fate is that it leaves little or no room for meaningful internal discourse on the particular matter that it addresses.
   
   Thats what I have to say about Fate, not being a member of any religion.
   
   Paraglider:
   
   Might I add that the scottish calvinism you are describing does not sound like absolute fatalism to me.  It sounds like putting too much of an emphasis on willing something based on preconceived notions rather than thinking it through.
   
   Practically speaking, that is Fate, but it is dumbed down a bit.

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      sandra rinckposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      OMG did you just use a Fiat as an example.  ROTFL! 
      
      I like you dialog,  it reminds of The Allagory of the Cave.  Fascinating story if anyone has not read it yet. 
      
      
      
      Fate...destiny...predistiny.  In some forms it is logical, like to say.  If I stepped out in front of a bus, fate would have it that I was predestined to get hurt but it was my destiny to survive. 
      
      I was Pundering a File last night about this question and came up with, a two way interaction determining whether or not it can be determined a destiny or predistine fate. 
      
      I was talking to a friend about it and he said that everything happens for a reason.  Of course I said it is all in hind sight, so I said this,
      
      I feel like I was predestine to find you, however it would be your desinty to be with me because you get to choose. 
      
      If that makes any sense, I don't know. 

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   knolyourselfposted 16 years ago

   Weblog: Sorry. Thought you were being rude. As to your latter question, maybe one could say that the material world is predestined, becasue it seems to be a machine. The planets will circle the suns seemingly forever, unless some object from outer solar system happens by - too close. As the mechanics of the human body must be automatic, like heart beat for there to freedom of mind, maybe free will is of a different dimension, like consciousness (spirit) that is more or less free of the machine.

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      weblogposted 16 years agoin reply to this

      It's ok. I was putting a question with a desire to know various opinions on this topic. I'm happy if I'm understood in right way. Thanks

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