Do You Believe In Predestination Regarding Salvation?

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   PhoenixVposted 9 years ago

   Do You Believe In Predestination Regarding Salvation?

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   LoisRyan13903posted 9 years ago

   For what you are asking, is out fate determined before we are born?  The answer would be yes because God know everything.  So he would already know who will have salvation and who would not.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      John 5:29 simply says these individuals will return to earth under Jesus rulership.Will we be there to welcome our family and friends back.
      earth must be cleaned off of any pollution, proposers, wickedness, and homes must be built.Isaiah 65:21-22

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      LoisRyan13903posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Can't wait for the Millennium

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Lois we have a full schedule of work to do.There is still some time for many to be educated as new citizens they can learn what Jesus requires as he told the thief you will be with me in paradise. We can be there too.many will not have to die .

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Sure do "have a full schedule of work to do!" 
      Galatians 1:6-9!
      I'm still "striving," but on right road obeying Galatians 1:6-9!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Lois I believe he knows the outcome of either choice. Not that he has predetermin your choice. Like he knew Adams and Eves of not betraying him would keep them alive. But if they disobeyed he also knew what would happen if they did this bad thing.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      YOU ARE RIGHT LOIS!  "GOD KNOWS EVERYTHING! He KNEW Adam & Eve would disobey! He knew man was evil! He knew He'd have to come to reconcile us back to Him. He wants  "praise" fm His creations (for HE is GOD) & will get it or lake of fire (hell

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well Ec 9:11 is his inspired words.
      Also he knows the outcome of good and bad. Not what choice will we make
      Because satan is vexing him about us and our choices .Proverbs 27:11 is clear we can make his heart rejoice if we act wise.
      Not predestine

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      There is NO SCRIPTURE saying GOD doesn't KNOW the "choices" we will make or whether or not we will be saved.  IF He didn't KNOW, He wouldn't be Jehovah What was, is & to be or the GREAT "I AM!"  U limit GOD!
      I Jn 3:20 "GOD KNOWS ALL!"

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Genesis 18:23- 33 tells a conversation between Abraham and Jehovah about the destruction of Sodom. Moses ask him are 50 righteous will he destroy sodom. Then he continues to question decreasing the number 40, 30,20 last 10
      He would not destroy. and

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       It was Abraham questioning NOT GOD! GOD already KNEW! Just let the poor man beg!

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       LoisRyan13903posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       God knew Abraham would only ask down to 10 and he knew that not even 10 righteous people would be living in Sodom and Gomorrah

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You're RIGHT Lois!  GOD KNOWS ALL or HE wouldn't be GOD!  I guess people think that's a Name but GOD is THE CREATOR w/knowledge from "beginning to end" BEFORE we were even thought of & AFTERWARDS!

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   Norine Williamsposted 9 years ago

   Since GOD is "all knowing," HE knows what we will "choose" (Joshua 24:15)! 
   
   Romans 8:28-30 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did "predestinate" to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among brethern.  Moreover whom he did "predestinate," them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."  HALLELUJAH!
   
   Can't stop reading:  (v31) What shall we then say to these things?  IF GOD BE FOR US, WHO CAN BE AGAINST US?"  HALLELUJAH!
   
   PRAISE HIS "HOLY" NAME!!!
   
   TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Example the thief on the torture stake with Jesus was a wrong doer he made bad decisions.but before he died he expressed faith in Jesus while the other scorned himJesus bless him in saying you will be with me in paradise.
      the heart speaks

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "Predestination" means GOD KNOWS/KNEW ALL before your birth!  HE gives choice, but KNOWS & KNEW "before" you were born what you would choose!  If HE didn't HE would not be the ALL KNOWING GOD that HE is! Either you believe GOD is JEHOVAH or not!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He knows the outcome of your choice.
      Not what your choice will be. Because he would not say chose.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He wants ALL to worship Him!  We have "choice!" Whether we endure is up to us but He KNEW from beginning what we'd do!  I Jn 3:20 "GOD KNOWS ALL THINGS!"

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      No He knows our choices and the outcome if we chose right or wrong.
      Like a teacher in a class room she tests everyone the same but its up to us to pass she knows the outcome if we fail or pass.
      God know our cababilties and he believes we can change

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      You've got to give me Scriptures so I can read!  I have given I Jn 3:20 that HE KNOWS EVERYTHING where are your Scriptures?
      
      I'm open to WORD but not to opinions!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Again Lois and Norine God knows the outcome if we choose right or if we choose wrong.But it is up to us what we choose.1 Cor 8:9.Not predestined.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: I have given Scripture after Scripture saying GOD IS ALL KNOWING; yet because of "pride," you ignore!  I Cor 8:9 has nothing to do w/PROVING GOD does not KNOW ALL!  Rather u try to "insult" saying WORD provided is a "stumbling block!" 
      Sata

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      LoisRyan13903posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      He gives us the freedom of choice but he knows beforehand what we are going to choose

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Amen Lois! 
       HE IS GOD, THE ALMIGHTY "I AM," THE CREATOR of ALL, not something "wondering" what tomorrow will bring! 
       I pray for K&T who is "rooted & grounded" in "twisted" belief!
       Blessings

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       You have the right to believe as you wish , but so do others. But the reason many know different . Is Ecc 9:11
       Unforseen befalls all.
       AlsoKing James Version Eze 3:17
       'Says he 'warns' why do you warn people of danger if predestine to happen?

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Ec 9:11 "time & chance?" Yet we choose & GOD FOREKNEW our choice!
       Ezk 3:17 "give them warning?" HE still KNOWS what we will "choose" BEFORE we do! 
       Therefore, in the "SIGHT OF GOD," we've already been PREDESTINED! 
       GIVE GOD THE GLORY-HE IS

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   Kiss andTalesposted 9 years ago

   No I believe we create our own.
   Like a tract race we all are in it
   But who will endure to finish the  race depends on you . No one knows until the race ends. So no predestination does not exist if you are making choices and decicions ,free will to do or not to do is not predestined.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      MY GOD!  YOU don't "BELIEVE" Scripture?  What kind of "Christian" are you?  Did you not READ Romans 8?  Is you Bible that different?  Yours (JW) say "foreordained" same as "predestined!"

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      2 Timothy 2:5 many in the race but many not following the rules will recieve a crown.
      1Cor 9:5
      Math 7:23 Says get a way from me.
      Rev 2:10 have you did this .No you have proved nothing till death.
      Not predestined you must prove loyalty to the end

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I didn't ask for "insults" 2 Tim does not say GOD doesn't KNOW! "first & last, beginning & end, & HE'S "alpha & Omega" Who "fills heaven & earth" (Jer 23:24) & KNOWS ALL (Jer 1:5)!
      WORD=TRUE! HE knew/knows=PREDESTINATION no m

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      LoisRyan13903posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      God will already know who will prove loyalty to the end

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Lois God watches us all,  but I do not think he knows , I think he know what we are capable of .it is up to us to make right choices.
      Proverbs 10:1
      Rev 2:10 simply says " prove yourself "
      It did not say you are destine to fail
      You prove that

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      LoisRyan13903posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe God already knows but blocks it from his all-knowing mind.  Just as he forgets the sins of the righteous.  But saying he does not know is contradictory to he is all knowing.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      K&T: U can NEVER "think"  You need Scripture to back up your belief!  Job 31:4 ""Does He not see my ways And number all my steps?"  HE KNOWS EVERYTHING beginning & end "Before in mother's womb" (Jer 23:24)! Don't speak w/o backup fm WORD r Jm

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Deut 30:19 -20 says very clear we have the bad and good before us .we chose which one. Not predestined if you chose which.
      He tells us to chose the right way .but many chose what they like and most of the time its wrong.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Case & Point:  We have choice but HE preknew what we would choose! 
      Get busy & choose right! He left instructions (Bible) & it's up to us to "rightly divide" His Word by following "Chain of Events" in Scripture!
      The Gospel of Christ(Grac

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Abraham ask would he distroy Sodom ,if the numbers started from 50- 10 there is no way these people were destine to be destroyed. Because even Abraham ask God based on that people can change
       Not destine to die. Abraham knew this. Gen18;24-33

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yes they were!  GOD already knew that ALL were evil in Sodom & what they were doing! You can't hide NOTHING fm GOD (Jer 23:24)!  He KNEW in Gen 6:5 "men are EVIL" especially when "lust" is involved!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Acts 17:30 says to all people repent
       If people were destine to death then no need to repent. Repent means to confess wrong and change from doing wrong. Rev 2:16 is clear if you do not.
       Not destine if you repent

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Did u read Jer 23:10? Your "belief" is "twisted!"  GOD KNEW "before" birth what u would have a mind to do!  U would either "Repent" or think "crazy" like u do & THK that HE doesn't KNOW ALL, like Atheist's hearts have been hardened!
       DON'T LIMIT

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Do you hear yourself you would either repent or talk crazy. Well at least you admit "either or" which says you are choosing not doomed . not predestined. Yes he know our choices but our final decisions we create that.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Case & Point: Yes but GOD KNOWS what I've chosen BEFORE I do!  Jer 23:10 says we have ALREADY been "predestined" (KNOWN) by GOD! HE KNOWS but we don't so let's get busy avoiding Gal 1:6-9 or "ACCURSED!"

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   The0NatureBoyposted 9 years ago

   It's written in Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren" and being god is the producer of all things, people included, we all are foreknown and predestined.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Foreordained means appointed before time to do a mission.
      Are presidents foreordained no !they  have a mission but people vote them in to do Job
      Chriatains are given duties foreordained mission already existed .but who would carry it out is not

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      The0NatureBoyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      All life is made to fulfill a mission, little does people who doesn't believe in reincarnation know every life must experience every type of experience any other life experiences, then man go into everlasting life, Christianity doesn't reveal that.

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Elijah a baby born and does not make it has experience anything. But when the resurrection comes his life will return as that same baby the thing is will the gaurdian be their to recieve their child in the new system.
      No one has reincarnationed.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Eli: U blv in "reincarnation?" Where is this in Bible? 
      I Thess 4:14"..even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring w/him. (v16 "..and the dead in Christ will rise first." If we sleep, & rise 1st, when do we have time to "reincarnate?"

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      The0NatureBoyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      NW, The world is not but statements are almost everywhere, Daniel 12:13, Revelation 20:4-5 is 2 two of the easiest to see.  Resurrection and regeneration often mean reincarnation in their contexts, and many more. 
      K&T, Reincarnation is life's la

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      Kiss andTalesposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Elijah reincarnated is saying you continue to live in another form or another body .if that be the case the word dead should not exist.
      Death exist because their is no life or activity or life happening it sease.
      The resurrection is different.

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      The0NatureBoyposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yoshua said "let the dead burry their dead" to make known death means to be ignorant as Adam and Eve became by recognizing and judging creations opposites.  Life is indestructible life-forces, bodies are manifestations to learn existence's purpose.

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      Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      K&T is RIGHT!  I Thess says we are "asleep" until we arise in Christ! 
      Dan 12:13 says "rest" (aka "sleep").
      Rev 20:4-5 "spirits" living & reigning!" Flesh & blood not in heaven!

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      Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      We can know an outcome but it is not predestined for you one way.either you will do it right or wrong. If all will fail then we all are doomed to die forever
      Jesus value paid for our mistakes not that we are predestin to do wrong

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       We're talking "predestination" in the SIGHT OF GOD!  He KNOWS EVERYTHING!  Why are u limiting HIM?  We have choice, and GOD KNEW what choice you'd make BEFORE your birth!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Then he would not tell us to chose.
       Deut 30:15 '16 says " if you listen"
       Further life is determine by your own actions of obeying. Your choice is not predestined. Because he says if you listen. Means the choice is up to you to listen.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       K&T:  MY GOD, the GOD of Abraham, Issac & Jacob, THE CREATOR or JEHOVAH is "ALL" KNOWING before & after your birth! 
       Jer 23:10 "O LORD, I know that the way of man IS NOT IN HIMSELF: IT IS NOT IN MAN THAT WALKETH TO DIRECT HIS STEPS!"
       De

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       The0NatureBoyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       NW, Dan 12:13's "lot" means destined incarnation.
       Rev 20:5 is not about the saved, verse 4 is, and 5 say "live not again" meaning they were from a previous incarnation.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Dan 12:12 "WAITETH" How does one "wait" running around reincarnated? V13 "REST" How? "stand in thy "LOT"="JUDGMENT!"
       Rev 20:5 "When the "FIRST RISE IN CHRIST" (I Thess 4) after "sleep" the  (v6) 2nd death has no POWER"

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       The0NatureBoyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Dan 12's "go your way" means to die as the already "dead in christ" (Rev 6:9-11) have been doing since this world's last end (Rev 14:13) & waiting to reincarnate (Rev 20:4) but 20:5 is the reincarnating of Rev 16:14's & 19:21's killed.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Eli: Rev 20:5 means those NOT IN CHRIST will NOT LIVE AGAIN
       GET THIS:  "IN THE SPIRIT"
       not in another body for "FLESH & BLOOD" is not in heaven!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Why do you preach if people are predestined to die. Why do you come on HP and tell people to study if God has judge people to die?  King James Version Eze 3:17
       The warnings in the bible are to help us keep living not predestined.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       For those who have been "predestined" to "hear" (& only those whom GOD has given "ears" can "hear" as in Matt 13:3-9) can receive! Unbeknowing to me, someone on HP can "hear!"
       GOD "always" send man to deliver Msg but choice Those w/"ears" "hear"

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       The0NatureBoyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       OK, NW, this is burger king, have it your way ALTHOUGH COMPREHENDING THE SCRIPTURES INDICATES SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
       
       K&T, one can study all they want, without the "new birth" there is no comforter to bring the meaning to their understanding.

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       "Comprehension" (Understanding) has to be "revealed" by Holy Spirit!  It's not "my way," but HIS (JESUS aka Holy Spirit's) Way!

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       Kiss andTalesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Norine you are saying example God is preaching to people who are doomed to die anyway.he warns people to repent .but they are doomed to die anyway. You are preaching to people telling them to study but God knows they are doomed to die.
       Why preach?

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       LoisRyan13903posted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Sometimes an individual needs to hear it from others.  Some people decide to listen and others decide not to

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       Norine Williamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Amen Lois! 
       I've provided Jesus' Parable in Matthew 13:3-9! 
       I give WORD, but GOD KNOWS who will accept!  My job to "plant Seed," yet all have "choice" to rec (v8), allow "teachings" destroy (v7), r "love" Christians (vs 5&6), or atheist (v4)!

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