think they can tell us(Christians) that How and What we believe is wrong? I know that I can admit when I am wrong, and that I don't know somethings. Have they shared in any of the experiences that a majority of US, have had in experiencing God? Are they the one's who are a part of Your relationship with God? What I do see is a lot of hate directed toward people who Love what is good, and desire the best for there fellow man.. To know the True Living God....
If this were not the case it would be a nation where only those who think as you do would have the right to have an opinion. You will also find that most atheists were previously religious people. After careful consideration and learning most chose not to believe. This in no way means that they instantly lost access to the knowlegde they gained making this decision.
Alot of it comes from decades of watching the christians stand and announce to the world that anyone not white, christian, or straight is the spawn of the devil.
You have a problem with non-believers stating that your beliefs are wrong and yet I assume you have no problem telling all those nohosexuals are wrong in their beliefs. The only thing you know for sure about your beliefs are that they are right for you. Christians take this to the next level by demanding that all those who have differing beliefs ask the christians for permission to live their own lives.
Too many christians I meet on a regular basis, are so busy telling the rest of the world that it is wrong, they have no time to examine their own actions. A large portion of the christian population needs some serious self examination of how far from the bible's teaching that their way of life is.
sry nohosexuals should have read homosexuals
Sad that so many people do damage in the name of God. Though their intentions may be good, they give the rest of us a bad rap..
I think most of those once Religious people truly hang out here because deep down inside they want to return home to Papa God,
I'm sorry for the bitterness towards those of the faith, that i can see in your answer. How ever I can see you have been wronged by another obviously, that I would like to ask you to forgive me for.. I too, at best am a sinner, and have made/make great mistakes. I by no means am trying to tell you what and how you should live your life. I don't need to tell you what is wrong, for you already know with in your self was is wrong.
All I have for you is much respect and a great love, thank you for sharing your heart and taking the time to be transparent with me..
As you can see, you have already told whomever reads this what you believe is best for them..."To know the True Living God...."
You obviously desire it, you obviously think that is what is best for everyone but I don't think that and millions of others don't think that either.
So how is it that "others who come in here, into the Christian forums" can tell people what is best for others?
really its not about what I know.. Its about who I know. In knowing that God has something amazing in store for those who come to know and trust Him, as well as the blessedness of knowing Him. How could I not desire the best for them?
Scripture gives a description in the book of revelation.. but I can see Him in my brothers and sisters. For me that is what He looks like... I can look and see Him in them...
Tell me what Wind looks like?
Can't really see it, but you can feel it, and see the effects of it. Doesn't mean its not there..
I doubt it. Again...He can't even feed the poor starving children of the world. No matter how much we desire, he will not do it. Pitiful.
Not a true statement Getitrite.. God has lots of organizations working throughout the world doing such.. God uses willing People to move with Him. If you would stop running from God and run to Him, you could be used in a mighty way as well. You probably have an amazing heart and could be moved to do great things in the world to help bring about change. Again though what have you done lately to help bring about change? Always talking about it, now be about it...
I see that this is a comment you seem to repeat a lot! If you really have such an issue of this problem why not move to make a difference and partner with one of these groups and help make a difference rather than complain.
Most food banks and places such as Salvation Army feed people within our own country. Compassion and World vision are two right off the top of my head are moving to combat hunger in third world countries.
And god cannot feed the children with a little less trouble and completeness? Apparently not? Human beings are feeding the children lucky enough to receive food! Otherwise, any of us can say the other gods are doing it this way too! Or do you think the other gods aren't worth giving credit to? Just yours, correct? HAHAHA!
Randy just words.."any of us can say the other gods"
Action is where the rubber meets the road..
There is only One true Living God..
Not here to argue with you. Who's got the bigger stick.. I'm not out to bash you...
I'm trying to save you for your own good! I am extremely worried you are not giving the other gods enough credit, or worst of all, you don't believe in them!
Perhaps you have never opened your heart to them and allowed them to show you the way! Have you ever asked them to ease your mind in times of trouble? You are one of their creations and they want you to believe in them! Will you turn your heart away from them and continue to worship the wrong god?
If you would just think like me you will be saved! Don't wait too long!
Aww too cute..
Meaning of Believe?
I love the God, that is Alive. I like the one that moves in my Life. I am going stick with Him. I know Him by Name. Whats nice is that He is with me always and when I call on His name He moves to help me..
Thank you for sharing. And when you are done scribbling, we can compare notes.
Now you know how your religion looks to me! How is your scribbling any better than mine? Seriously!
Well it was a pretty picture. I just like to stay within the lines.
I can respect boundaries, and individuals beliefs and not knockem... That's all... God bless..
getitrite. Would you please stop blaming God for the hungry of the world? It is absurd.
In many many instances, provisions have been made, food sent to other countries, in mass amounts, only to be stopped by the recieving countrys gov.
On a more local side, food has been provided for here also, in mass amounts.The provisions are there. I have volunteerd at too many food banks and watch week after week people getting a weeks worth of food for their families and there are those that ARE HOMELESS and recieve a double and most often triple amount than the others THEN what do the HOMELESS do with the food they recieve? No, they don't sell it and buy "what"? I've seen it happen too many times.
God provides. Satan on the other hand, well, we havent talked much about him. Maybe we should. His duties here on Earth are to destroy any and all goodness, to install doubt into even the wisest of people.
Several years back, we did a food drive for "another country". We had loaded 45 semi trailers with food and other items. I mean loaded. Some of the people involved in the drive decided they needed food. So they helped themselves. That cut back seven or 8 rigs, but the remaining were denied entry.
This makes me wonder if all the people who are sending money to help these other countries are just wasting their time as well.
God provides. Satan destroys. I think it is way past time that the blame gets channeled in the proper direction.
Satan does exist also.
That is not true, please don't fabricate stories to support your beliefs.
You just contradicted yourself and confirmed your previous fabrication.
So, praying for things is not a waste of time?
Your god is to blame, that is obvious.
So does the Easter Bunny.
Beelzedad, You have been constantly trying everyday to convince yourself it's not true. It's not working isn't it?
mom101, Very true, The same answers have been given to both of them in other forums. It's another form of the devil trick when someone continually put the blame on God for everything that is wrong. What a shame
Why don't you put the blame on the real reason people go hungry in this world? Greed, pure and simple! There are no invisible
forces causing evil in the world, just human beings.
In this, your religion is absolutely no different than any of the very ancient ones. Good gods, bad gods, mischievous gods, gods of luck, gods of anger, gods for everything. you just have them all rolled into two characters. And these aren't even original, just plagiarized from previous beliefs.
But if you are typical of most christians, you have not taken the time to really question exactly how your bible came into being. You don't really care to know common men made it up from other ancient myths and gods while others chose which parts to leave in and to omit.
Do you know anything about these writers? of course not, they are not identified other than by hearsay recounts. But yet you are willing bet your soul on these unknown writer's scribblings.
You are right, Greed of people is one of the reason, and greed comes from the devil. Where did you get your information from? I read the bible and it states clearly how it was written. Allow me to speak for myself please Of course I know something about these writers. God is the author of the bible. He use men to write it, and the scriptures were inspired by a great God. If you don't believe a word of the bible. Why waste your time arguing? I choose to believe the holy true word of God.
How do you know the writers were telling the truth, WoCo? And how do you know who the writers were? The Gospels say very plainly, the "Gospel according to"! This means hearsay!
What witnesses were there to the writers communicating with god, who can vouch for their veracity? If someone falsely maintained god spoke to them about writing such a book, who could say whether they were telling the truth or not? We have the same claims being made today by such people?
Your answers will reveal just how much you know concerning the veracity of the writers!
The men wrote under the true annointing of God's words. God does not lie, so therefore I don't need witnesses. It's not important to me who the writers were. There is no need for you to reply back with more nonsense. The men did not make up the bible from other ancient myths and Gods. Nice try with trying to decieve me. Take care!
Just what I expected from you WOC! Let's examine your profound statements.
"The men wrote under the true annointing of God's words."
Where did you find this information? Unless you can point me to some information to indicate this is true, then you just made it up! But you wouldn't lie about this because christians do not lie about important assertions of such gravity.
I will expect some proof of this if you are telling the truth. Not really, I expect you to ignore the question or either say "The bible tells me so" or some other such nonsense! Don't disappoint me! LOL!
"God does not lie, so therefore I don't need witnesses."
Are you saying god vouched for these writers directly to you? Or are you using the bible to authenticate itself again? I figure the latter! I see no reason an omnipotent being would confide in you when there are plenty other more credible persons he could have chosen to relate this to.
"It's not important to me who the writers were.
So if the writers were merely con men wishing to sway opinion of the masses, this would not be important to you? Many have done so in the church and admitted such. Credibility doesn't seem to have any interest to you, in others, or in yourself. But your answers and previous posts indicated this already.
"The men did not make up the bible from other ancient myths and Gods."
Again, show me where this is stated and where you learned this from! Your credibility is on the line! Bald assertions without anything to back them up with are used by disreputable people in most cases. Prove me wrong!
"Nice try with trying to decieve me."
Deceive you in what manner? I am trying to find out if you are deceiving me with your claims which have no basis in reality! I'm not telling you I talk to invisible deities or know things only the invisible deity can tell me! I tell you what, have him speak to me about it! This would help immensely!
I left your quotes unedited with the misspellings intact, because I'm sure if your god condones those other writers efforts, he would have corrected them for you. But then again, he seems to choose those who have trouble with the language to share his words. That does indeed concern me
You answered nothing! All you want to do is make statements you cannot back up with anything substantial. Your replies hurt your religion much more than I could ever do! Don't worry, I don't expect you to answer any of these questions. You do not have the ability to do so.
same pat answers from my christian days - I believed the bible because I was told it was truth. I trusted the people that told me so.
people that accept the bible as devine scripture have to have a lot of faith - believe that the people who say it is divinely inspired are correct, believe the bible's own claims that it is devinely inspired, overlook all the nasty bits, accept that the people that selected which books are holy made the right choice, accept that translations (many of them) are correct and so on.
The devil invented job, I send most of my waking hours of my life continually loving my job.
It seems the devil not so bad.
Who created the devil in the first place and if God is all powerful, why dose him not just gets rid of the devil?
Who is really to blame?
It seems the christian god is so bored he must create a scenario in which humans suffer and die for thousands of years, tormented by Satan, fighting wars, just to reach an ending he already knows.
Bored, insecure gods are the worst of them all!
Why that is most Christian can't give me a sensible answer or blow me off towards most of my challenging questions and often enough non believers at least attempt to give me closer answer?
Randy, I am neither bored nor insecure. Just the opposite.
No one could ever accuse you of being a god either! My post was not referring to you, just your imaginary, insecure deity!
Do not ever expect satisfactory answers from christians, CP! They don't understand their own favorite novel and need someone else to tell them how to interpret the scripture.
They are only capable of unoriginal answers learned by rote. Not many of them ever question the real origin of the book they quote ad nauseum. Doesn't their own book call them sheep?
Man, ain't somebody full of themselves?
The book you are referring to, I agree, has been written/rewritten many times over.
I personally, use it as a guide. There is a lot of good in it. Its origin, yep, I know that too.
For the most the bible is easy to understand. There is a lot of history in it. I admit, it takes a lot of study.
Yes, the book (in comparison) does refer to us a sheep. That is no way saying we are furry four legged creatures. It is just a comparison.
I am positive in your lifetime you have made some sort of comparison.
You know, what is sad is that non-believers try to destroy Him, or His Image. He is not a mean God in any way shape or form.
I personally am not what you would call a bible thumper. I take into consideration the teachings, but as far as experiencing God, that is strictly personal.
Believers, even if I were not a believer, I would feel so bad for the way they get treated in some of these forums.
I have not seen anywhere in any forum a christian putting down satan, or any non believer.
There are 2 non believers that I refuse to answer. They are just to overboard. Sick minded in my opinion.
Anyway, I am tired, and this probably is not making any sense, but hopefully it will.
Randy, hope your evening turns out to be a pleasant one.
Sorry Mom, but one has to believe in something before attempting to destroy it! Otherwise they are merely clawing at the air.
I do not feel bad for those who you say are being treated badly in these forums. But I do feel bad about their delusions of a god demanding their attention.
If I carried on about the Easter bunny like they do god, I would fully expect you to think I was delusional too! Look at it in that vein and perhaps you might understand a little better why they are treated in such a way!
Non-believers just don't believe. They are not trying to destroy anything. They are here to rebuild and get angry when they see the same thing over and over. They are here to find sense or infuse sense.
Nobody can corrupt the Image of G-d. G-d is not in this realm. AND for those who know what I'm talking about (lol) G-d is in a place that you can access if you stop seeing mirrors of yourself out there. If you stop trying to break these mirrors so that they may not show you your face.
All the world is a mirror.
Sometimes however, these threads end in fights and pettiness. But that's all part of it. That's what makes the forums popular. It approximates the court of philosophers in the ancient times.
mom101, I was thinking the same thing. Yes Randy is definitely full of himself I have politely ignored his post. No one will ever destroy God's image regardless of how hard they try. He is an all powerful, loving and just God. I understand that my reply above have not in anyway harmed my faith. Praise God!
Ceciliabeltran, Have you observed the religious forums? Some of the unbelievers barge in the forums to start a fight with the christians. These threads doesn't usually end with a fight. The threads are attacked in the very beginnining. I politely disagree. It's wrong for a believer to be attacked and ridiculed once a thread is started about a God and their faith. Can we control what someone else do? My answer is no. One thing I know for sure, we don't have to be a doormat nor accept abuse in silence and pretend it's only a part of what forums is all about. I have no hard feelings.
God created Lucifer, a perfect angel. Lucifer made a devil of himself. "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, "For thou hast corruped thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." Ezekiel 28:17. Lucifer became rebellious and desired to be above God. I encourage to read the bible for yourself. Isaiah 14:13,14
So, your answers are based on invisible beings working in the background? Yes, that is a shame. LOL!
Bdad, it is a shame.
It is a shame that people can't understand the war that is being fought.
It does not surprise me at all. The "devil" is on his game. He knows the obstacles this country is facing and still he is hard at work. Hes a worker, thats for sure.
Its a shame. I agree.
And bd- I am no liar.
DaKingsKid, We can definitely feel the effects of the wind, and we can also feel the awesome effects of a personal experience from God. The power of his presence is like none other.
Still, it has been said that it doesn't take a Christian to walk into a church and tell you what is wrong with it. Criticism, when taken humbly, is profitable.
It's funny how Christians in their zealotry do not see themselves when they evangelize the gospel and tell us all how to live based on their mythology.
Of course, if they could ever distinguish their religion from the many other religions as having anything to do with love, or at the very least; reality, they might begin to see themselves.
Beelzedad do you need a hug...? Nothing but Love for ya....
I'm not here to argue, and some of your comments seem to try to get a rise out of people. It seems in all most every forum I see you in.
"if they could ever distinguish their religion from the many other religions as having anything to do with love, or at the very least; reality, they might begin to see themselves."
I am not here to claim any sort of religion. I'm all about relationship. As for the last part of what you said, I began to really see myself in the light of Gods word. To understand my true state of being and condition has helped me to understand who I am and what my purpose truly is.
Oh yeah i loved that last part "based on their mythology" based on your lack of understanding of our experiential Christianity. What I mean by this is even though you have not had our experiences means you can not say they did not happen or make up some reason to excuse them...
What is also strange is how so many people have shared the same experience in experiencing God, that your want to argue at His existence or about their experience..
I really have nothing but Love for you. You way of thinking and ability to make such thought provoking statements is awesome.
Agreed. Many people have shared the same experience.
I have a problem with all religions, they preach about love and peace, but they cause a lot of issues with the world around us. Religion once might have had a place in society, but I think the money owuld be better spent on propper spport groups nowadays.
I totally agree with you. I started hubpages less than two months ago and I started by going into the forums that seemed to be under the heading of Christianity. The questions asked seemed relative to my beliefs so I answered. I soon found out that they were "a bait" I have not returned to forums until today that I saw the question on my profile. It is a good question, one that I posed a while ago without any response from those who are doing the "baiting" Don't fall for the trap anymore and stay clear of the "bait and trap" game. God bless you
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UNDER RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY THERE ARE SEVERAL TOPICS FROM WHICH TO CHOOSE. IF YOU CHOOSE:
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HUBPAGES DECLARATION REGARDING THIS TOPIC IS THE FOLLOWING:
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THIS IS NOT THE FORUM TO PLACE YOUR ARGUMENTS OR DEBATES OR TO
CALL PEOPLE NAMES.
REALLY HOW OLD ARE YOU? GROW UP, FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONRS, FIND THE CORRECT TOPIC TO SPEAK OF THINGS THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO NON-CHRISTIANS.
AS FOR THIS TOPIC UNDER THIS HEADING, ACCORDING TO HUB PAGES THIS IS FOR TOPICS OF INTEREST TO?
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THEN WHY ASK NON-CHRISTIANS A QUESTION REGARDING CHRISTIANITY! DUH!
I'm sorry but I don't think the christian forum means only christians are allowed to post, but rather those that are interested in the topic about christianity.
Likewise, I very much doubt that topics about homosexuality are only for homosexuals to comment on, or posts about babies are only for those with babies to comment on.
But, there seems to be some confusing about this matter, as some insist that only christians are allowed on the christian forum, not those that are knowledgeable about christianity.
I have seen people complaining in the science section (on evolution) about religion coming into it, and that's fair enough - if the point was to do with religion & evolution then it belongs in the religious forums; otherwise the science section.
I would love such persons and won't hate them; I would like to be one with them without losing my identity.
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I believe in Prophet Jesus, the Christ, son, of the Blessed Virgin, Mary, Peace and Blessings of Allah be Upon him ...
I believe in all the Prophets of God, and Scriptutres Revealed by God, Upon his Prophets.
I Believe in Jesus, and his Stated, as much, as I Believe in Muhammad ... and his Stated ... Peace and Blessings of Allah be Upon them.
Thus, I have the Believer's Right, to be a part of any Forum, where God's Prophets ... The Last Prophet, Muhammad, and Jesus, the Christ, Peace be upon them ... are being discussed.
But ... I am nobody, nor are you, to say, that I am Right, and you are Wrong ... Its for God, to Decide the Propriety of any held Belief ... .
MERRY CHRISTMAS .
MY CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS
Jesus is neither a god nor a son of god; he was as he claimed a son of man and a Messenger Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
Mostly people here just object to people trying to proliferate their strange beliefs, you want to 'believe' is fine by me and most others I would think, but depositing it in public is to ask for criticism so why complain when you get it ?
Criticism is good, but as you can see Its a good question.
I disagree about the quality of the question. I have a blog about something similar. A local resident here in sc was complaining inthe paper about all the atheists using the bible against christians. My impression was that he demanded that all non-believers give up the knowledge of chrisatianity, once they quit believing. That most atheists know more about the bible than he does is of no importance. He feels that all christians should be able to preach anything they want, anywhere they want, with no-one offering a differing opinion. Sound familiar?
I love Atheists, one of my best friends of 11 yrs is one. I have no problem with what she thinks or believes. I just know what I have experienced and have read in the Word of God. I enjoy her seeing the change in my life over the Years.. See know that something is up, and accepts me for me, as I do her..
Stump I enjoy your mind and how you think.. I really like your comments..
I respectfully disagree with Mr. Stump on this one, and agree with DaKingsKid. (as if my concurrence could carry significance). First of all, Atheist are apparently as busy "proliferating their strange beliefs" as are the Christians, lest I suspect they would frequent Atheist sites? Next, I went the other way, Refuted the faith of my fathers at a young age, searched every possible avenue available to me for the Origin of man...and the more I dug, the more truth the Bible held for me. Again....for me.
But, Stump has a different view. Could be because he's standing on different ground and has a different focal point. Not higher, not lower, different. I do love that the Bible is the standard of reference...hehehe...God Bless Ya'all !
The bible is not any standard of reference - it is a novel that most people understand is a metaphorical story for the guidance of those people too simple to see reality. As a metaphor it has value, but when people start seeing the figments of someone else's imagination they are psychotic.
Nothing wrong with metaphorical guidance if it is useful I agree.
Sorry there China man...that was a reference to a conversation earlier with Stump about using the Bible to confront Christians. For me ....Novels aren't written over a period of hundreds of years by multitudes of pens all claiming to be the mouthpieces of the Creator...and somehow tell only one story ultimately. And I am glad that your here to keep simple minds like mine in line with your obviously superior mind! I was trying to learn from who I believe is the Creator of the Universe, and you were here all along! Thank God! oops... I mean Thanks China Man!
That's ok son, pleased to drop down now and then to try to illustrate the more ridiculous aspects of these conversations
Novels are often written by several people, and compilations are very normal books to find. And the ages that you find add weight to your book also carry with it the superstition and lack of general knowledge of so much that we know today. Never mind that it was compiled fairly recently from shedloads of old material - cherry picked to back the aims of the christian church, not reflect the true nature of the original writings.
I think Bible, both OT and NT, are great reading. What an incredible story written over time and all coming together for a fabulous climactic ending. Couldn't have been written any better by the most talented writers of today. Some fictional elaboration, possibly. Historical, probably. Accurate, to some degree. Good reading, absolutely. I like reading feel good books.
Lets put it this way...for one thing our soul's when we die do not stay in the ground waiting for Judgment Day and another thing our divine soul's cannot burn in fire. We wouldn't feel any pain. Etc, etc, etc....
The Bible has so many falsehoods to it that it can greatly deceive those that naively believe full-heartedly word for word. I do however, greatly enjoy reading all the holy books and taking what I can use and leaving the rest.
I am a psychic medium and have seen and telepathically communicated with spirits basically my whole life. I like divination tools too. It's a good way to connect to ones subconscious mind.
I was raised having spiritual gifts and nobody is going to tell me my natural abilities are demonic!!
Or that I am a witch for it!! Even though Christians will consider me one for knowing things I shouldn't know 'psychically' and will go as far as to say "Satan begone." Thinking that my natural gifts our from some demonic being and that I am possessed by some evil entity for knowing the future, etc.
What can I say: I am an Indigo Adult, we have gifts.
Let's just put it this way: Religious fanatics cause to much trouble judging everyone with narrow minds.
Oh boy! Tell me the lottery numbers if you are psychic! But let me guess, you cannot just answer the questions you want, it is a matter of what pops into your head! Or...I can only use my power for good and not for personal gain. Other wise my profile score would not be a mere 34!
What a crock!
Since when do christians deal in facts? I though they believed the bible with blind faith!
GO WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH SOAP BEFORE YOU ADDRESS ME MISTER.
YOUR WRITING IS UNACCEPTABLE AND DEGRADING.
I WILL NOT ADDRESS A FOOL OR WILL I "THROW PEARLS BEFORE SWINES"
HONESTLY, WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE CALLING PEOPLE NAMES?
THIS IS NOT THE BEHAVIOR OF A CIVILIZED ADULT.
A CIVILIZED ADULT CAN ACCEPT OTHERS OPINIONS WITHOUT HAVING TO USE SUCH TACTICS AS YOURS
AN ADULT IS ABLE TO SAY "I AGREE TO DISAGREE"
YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE AS YOU DO, AND I HAVE THE RIGHT TO BELIEVE AS I DO
I RESPECT YOUR CHOICE FOR YOU, AND YOU SHOULD RESPECT THE CHOICE OF OTHERS FOR THEM
THE WHOLE WORLD HAS VARYING BELIEFS. THAT IS WHY UNDER THE TOPIC RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY THERE ARE VARIOUS RELIGIONS.
UNDER EACH RELIGION THERE IS A SUBTOPIC AND IF ONE ENTERS INTO THAT SPECIFIC SUBTOPIC THEN THEY SHOULD REFRAIN FROM STARTING AN ARGUMENT SIMPLY FOR KICKS. THIS IS DISRESPECTFUL AND UNACCEPTABLE
UNDERSTAND, THE TOPIC:
RELIGION AND PHILOSOPHY
CHRISTIANITY, THE BIBLE AND JESUS
THIS SUBTOPIC IS MEANT FOR TOPICS THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO CHRISTIANS I DIDN'T MAKE THIS UP, HUBPAGES HAS A DECLARATION UNDER THE SUBTOPIC, ENTER AND SEE FOR YOURSELF.
OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN CHRISTIAN TOPICS SO WHY ENTER AND TRY TO CAUSE CHAOS
IT ISN'T FUNNY, IT ISN'T WELCOMED, IT ISN'T BECOMING OF A CIVILIZED ADULT
CASTLEPALOMA I AM NOT YELLING, NOR HAVE I LOST COMPOSURE, NOR HAVE I USED DEGRADING WORDS NOR DO I NEED TO TAKE A CHILL PILL.
I WROTE IN HUGE LETTERS BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HUBPAGES HAS A SET PURPOSE TO SPECIFIC SUBTOPICS
HOPE YOU HAVE A BLESSED EVENING ... oh wait, hoping you have a blessed evening.
Christians only make up 1/3 of the planet
PHILOSOPHY part of the forum is open for everyone
Okay, I went and washed my mouth out with soap. Not bad really, kinda tasted like cinnamon and coconut. I assume it was my breath that got you so angry, so how's it smell now?
You have only been here a few weeks so I will cut you some slack, but just some, and just this one time. Unfortunately for you, you have absolutely no power, nor authority, to tell anyone on HubPages what to do. And sadly for you, that includes me.
You accused me of calling people names. Unless you were referring to me speaking about delusions, I have no idea what you are referring to. conversing in capital letters is considered yelling on forums. Very rude, unless you are emphasizing a word,title, etc.
Believers often get involved in threads about atheism, agnosticism, devil worship, or whatever other topic may come up in the Religion and Beliefs forums. No one is so rude as to attempt to prohibit anyone from participating. We even tolerate rude christians.
You should be grateful because you, with your sparkling personality, get the chance to show us how a real religious person acts. Patience, cordiality, sharing, all the things a real christian should be. In other words, a civilized adult. No need to thank me. Just you being here is enough.
I do not need your forgivness nor your sarcasm.
I do not need for you to tolerate me because I am new to hubpages. I do not long to know you nor read the words you write to others. You may not have used profanity but your sarcastic remarks, your demeaning comments and your misuse of the purpose of topics is enough for me to say you are persona non-grata.
I am depressed! That you don't approve of me is more than I can take. To think that you, a representative of the christian cult, would judge and castigate me, leaves me properly abashed.
I'm not sure, but isn't there something in your novel which says,"Judge not, lest ye be judged"? Or "let ye without sin cast the first stone." But I suppose this doesn't apply to you because, as we all can see, you are special!
Thanks for trying to explain how the forums work, Cecilia! This type of believer is the most dangerous of all. They tolerate nothing they disagree with. Her earlier responses to other poster's thoughts on this thread were-"It's just your opinion" which, in this thread, is really all anyone can give.
But she considered hers more worthy, I suppose. People generally get what they deserve! And she is no exception. See ya in the other forum!
I agree to disagree. I accept others opinions. I respect that everyone has a choice to believe as they so choose to believe. I understand that faith is personal that is why I wrote that is your opinion not a fact. You answered my comment without warrant. I read your other comments and they are ugly, rude, crude.
I am fully aware that everyone has the right to choose. Everyone should also realize that others choices are to be respected not made fun of or demeaned.
If I were of any other religion, lets say Hindu, would you be so angry or negative in your remarks?
I may not believe the Hindu faith, but I respect everyone who has chosen to follow that faith.
A descent person does not put others down, nor do they try to belittle their belief because faith is a very important part of their person.
Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist, Catholoic, Christian, Jewish, polytheistic, monotheistic, pantheistic are all are personal choices that need to be respected by others and not demeaned.
Human beings function at a much more deeper level and as adults we should walk in a way that exemplifies the years we have lived.
If you would like to really take a good look at yourself go over the words you wrote to mom1 or to woman of courage and ask yourself if you didn't purposefully write demeaning words. Shame on you sir. You just bullied two beautiful human beings with choices and beliefs that are obviously different than yours. So who here is the rigid one? Who here really thinks they are special. As a man, shame on you for bullying two women. I expect more from you and from others. I expect your gender to behave as gentlemen?
Yes, I am rigid on one thing - one's behavior toward others. Review your words and comments and you will see that your behavior has been shameful.
Shame, shame on you sir.
Just your opinion-not a fact! (See, I can respond as you do)
I bullied no one. Just because I do not agree with these two ladies opinions doesn't mean I am bullying them. Do you want equal rights or not? No one made them respond to my posts. I didn't call them names or demand they wash out their mouths with soap before addressing me.
I am not whining and complaining because I cannot get my way and only allow who I choose to participate in the forums. I do not yell like a small child or stamp my feet to get attention.
No, I am not a christian, and if you are representative of that cult, I surely will never be. But I know you aren't, because I often discuss similar matters with some who aren't so petty and self centered.
The best thing for you to do is just stay away from the forums. You have neither the patience or sense of humor to participate in them.
And if you want me to treat you different because you are a woman, then fine, make me a sandwich!
A wise man ponders on his ways and remembers the way he was brought up. I will only say one thing, remember the days of your youth, remember your upbringing. I am well aware of who you are, I know you, I know how you were raised. You were not raised to be the man you have become nor the person you portray.
I can agree with you on this matter. I have no "sense of humor" to participate in these forums where sarcasm is mistaken for "humor"
A wise woman does not ponder on a mans ways, nor presume to know his mind. From the rib she came. Never higher.
Yes and I know you too! You are the person who likes to scold others if they do not play by your rules. Who do you think you are yelling and telling others they shouldn't post in this thread.
You copy and paste the HubPages forum rules like a hall monitor in high school. The same thing as waving them around in the air and yelling at us. Was this the way YOU were raised?
You are not in high school any more, you do know that? This is a writer's site, not Sunday school. Discussions here are fine and are great for all sorts of ideas.
There are moderators here who ban people if what they say on the forums is not acceptable. I should know because I, along with many others here, have been banned from the forums before.
So, unless you are a moderator on these forums, your opinion counts no more than mine. And are you entirely certain "humor" is not being taken for "sarcasm"?
What else would you expect from a mother?
I have spent my life raising my sons (26 and 30) and raising others children as well.
I have given my life to shelter the children from harm. I will not go into all the details.
This is simply a mere reflection of who I am?
I am a mother, a lady who believes in respect, love, dignity for all mankind. I am a believer who knows the God she serves and does not fight over her belief or her convictions. I share my belief when others ask me. I believe walking the walk is better than talking the walk. I obey rules, I believe there is a sense of order and calm when one follows rules.
You have for once tonight made me laugh. I laugh that you called me a hall monitor and a Sunday school overseer. It makes me laugh because I am in total agreement with you I am who I am.
I am the one who always wants everyone to be in line and keeping the rules and not hurting one another and watching to make sure that life runs smoothly for everyone.
I am the one that absolutely exhausts all her means to bring peace even when I don't necessarily come across as being a peace maker.
I laugh at these statements about me because I agree with you.
You see Sir Randy I have a sense of humor, I do not take myself that seriously. BTW I'm still laughing. Thank you for writing this because I was literally in tears these past couple of comments.
Blessings to you
I never thought you were a bad mother or bad person in any way. Well the hall monitor thing was pretty evident. I believe you are sincere in your religious beliefs, but seem to be a bit obsessed with it. Not a criticism, just an observation!
Have you ever thought about what a lucky person you are? The odds of you being here are almost infinitesimal! For over a million years(or 6000 years if you don't trust science) your direct descendants survived until you were born.
One broken link in the chain, and you are not reading this post right now. And if your father had never met your mother the same nonexistence for you. But it gets even better. A certain egg had to be formed and a certain sperm, among perhaps millions, had to out swim the others. Ta Da! A Hall monitor is born!
Don't waste your miracle! Give Jesus a break, tell him something humorous once in a while. Can you imagine how depressed he must be at the end of the day?<--HUMOR
You are right about the odds of finding myself here on hubpages at this exact time to write about this certain topic with someone who lives out of the state I abide. What is even more amazing is that we came to a peaceful conclusion in our writings. That means the world to me. As I go to God I promise I will not just pour out why God why? I will remember what you have said and I will thank him for leading me to persevere in my conversation with you so that there can be some kind of mutual agreement. I won't waste my miracle, I wont try to stop the miracle before its time. I promise tonight I will thank God for giving me life, being in control and for allowing me to meet a new friend named Randy. I will also laugh out loud and thank God for allowing Randy to remind me that I am the exact image of a school marm. LOL I love it!Perhaps the Lord will respond, "that is exactly what I created you to be" but hey listen to Randy and "lighten up" What a blast that would be LOL
What exactly is the point of coming into a subforum on Christian living to declare that it is a cult. If you are not living a as Christian, and have nothing constructive to say on the subject, seriously WTF? Its like crashing a knitting party to go on and on about how scrapbooking is the one true craft and knitting isn't. Perplexing, off topic and not very polite.
Much like those who jump into every conversation about atheism or gay marriage or homosexuality or Islam by claiming those people are acting against God's will and will be punished. Making patronizing and smug statements about those who don't believe. It works both ways. I would never tell those people they had no right to post there.
Surely this is constructive? If we get rid of this dangerous cult - is that not a good thing?
I wouldn't dare, I'm afraid you would just eat them!
or don't engage a snake standing behind the tree of knowledge between good and evil.
I actually don't see what Randy said to upset you so much?
I like your frog , I've got 6 types of frogs on my place in Belize.
It's a good sign of a healthy envoirment.
Hi "I See G-d for Jesus Christ",
The forums are open to anybody with an opinion. Just like in real life, you cannot control how people respond to you only how you respond to them.
They are always in religious forums because they are interested in the discussion of religion. They however are not interested in the same way as you are.
In forums, everyone who has answers met those who have questions. This is how knowledge grows.
Many here you consider rude are really just funny human beings who are very left-brained and want to challenge you to be your best writer self. No need to vilify them. They will argue for fun. The angrier you get, the funnier it gets. They are not evil. They are just having fun with emotional people.
The post itself is so exclusive. The way you use "Others" epitomizes what most people feel is the problem of religion.
In Jesus speak, shouldn't those who are outside of the flock be welcomed. What is the value of preaching only to those who already believe.
This is your opportunity to "see G-d for Jesus Christ." G-d is here. G-d is speaking to you, questioning your faith. Speak your mind, speak it calmly, be a good Christian and spread the word from your perspective. People may mock you or make fun of you but if you are earnest in your testimony, those that belong to you, will find you.
Ceciliabeltran: the reply you gave was not in keeping with what you wrote. A logical debate, an argument without telling people they are stupid or making fun of their faith or their intelligence is always welcomed and warranted.
We can always agree to disagree.
This comment was to a specific person that had clearly wrote on several occassions comments that were demeaning and purposefully set to insight anger in others.
I choose not to affiliate with someone that does not know how to behave correctly.
Yes, this is an open forum. Everyone can write what they want, and believe what they choose to believe but in the spirit of hubpages the forums are to be used in the spirit of the "community at large"
Respecting one another, helping one another, encouraging one another, understanding one another ...
It does not mean you have the right to be rude and crude.
This person along with some others I have encountered on the forums does not write for the spirit of the community but for their own means.
Therefore, I have the choice not to interact with those individuals.
In fact, as a Christian, I am told not to argue over Scriptures. I was not called to go back and forth with someone over what the Word means to them or not.
We as believers are called to share the Good News. Point Blank.
Fighting, arguing, this is not in keeping with the Word.
Remember, wise as serpents, gentle as a dove does not mean let others trample all over you while you try and get your two cents into the conversation.
My advice to you and other believers "do not throw pearls before swines" Jesus' words, not mine.
I entered this forum wanting to answer the original person's question. I have done so by using the rules of hubpages. They are not my rules, they are hubpages.
Accept them or don't that is your choice. This comment is an answer for ceciliabeltran.
I was just showing you around. You hang around here enough you get used to the name calling. Sometimes you get a message across, sometimes you make a friend. Sometimes your enemies become fun to fight with.
All is good. Peace.
Thank you ceciliabeltran for wanting to show me around in the forums but if arguing and fighting is what I can find I really don't want to be a part of the whole thing. It is very unpleasant for me to see people write unwarranted comments.
I agree with you, all is well.
Peace to you too.
still imposing your view of the world on others I see God for Jesus Christ...you cannot control how others behave only how you react.
Wasn't Joseph with all the brothers Joseph (Not Marys Joseph) something like a psychic? My memory has gone blank but I am sure there were others?
Moving forward from those days they use to burn perceived witches in the days but gladly they don't do that any more and usually are accepted for what they are.
Can't think why you or anyone in a similar field would be perceived as demonic. mmmm
Joseph had dreams, and a gift to interpret dreams...
Yes thats it. He saw the famine coming didn't he. The 7 healthy cows and 7 not so healthy cows. Gosh can't remember now.
The story of Joseph may or may not be true but let's look at today for a moment. Sometimes dreams can be a valuable tool to sort out our waking lives. We all dream and some dreams can be very telling. The trick, though is in the interpretation.
It is interesting that you believe you're somehow special and have gifts others do not share. Of course, your so-called gifts defy logic and the physical laws of the universe.
Some people also believe they are Napoleon. At the very least, their claims don't defy physical laws.
Let's try this: To every coin, there are two sides.
For this we will "label" one side right.....the other wrong.
I am going to give 2 examples of life, and let you choose which side of the coin they fit under. Tell us why you think they belong to the side you chose.
Let's say Katie is at school, and Sam and Amanda decide one day to "pick at her". Katie takes the insults, the occasional slap upside the head, doesn't react in any way, A witness reports the abuse to the school authorities,..... Katie gets in trouble because in her backpack she has her devotional book, and the two "pickers" were offended by its presence.
Gina is on her way home from work and stops by the grocery store to get a few things for supper. As she is leaving the store, she is approached by a woman who appears "homeless" and asks if she could spare enough money to buy a loaf of bread and maybe something to put on it. Gina, whirls around, scared and offended and makes the remark "how dare you". Gina gets in her car, grabs her cell and calls whoever. Can you believe the nerve of this woman.....Later that evening, Gina and her family go to church. They do the praise and worship deal. They shed a few tears, and Gina looks at the church bulletin, and reads, body of a woman, found this afternoon, apparently a victim of hunger and homelessness. ......
These examples are in no way directed to any person on a personal level. They both have a right and wrong side. What made each on right and wrong?
How would you have changed the outcome or would you? Why?
Talking about reality is a strange belief?
Clearly, that is a fabrication or the "possible avenues available" were few and far in between.
Reference to what? The bible is irrelevant to those of other religions and of non-believers, billions of people.
Wow Beelzedad, I guess you'd have to read the whole post to place appropriate context for "point of reference". Ask Stump where that snippit came from. And I'll let you know when I'm fabricating. If it's a belief, I'll call it as such...If it's a fact, I'll call it as such. If it's simply evidenciary, I'll call it as such. And as for me? I will never assume where your boots have been...It could very easily hamper my minds ability to find value in your speech. ( or at least make a fair attempt to do so)
I always imagine walking in other people's shoes. It’s a method to explore unlimited possibility and become personable with that person.
Being against any group or person makes you part of the problem. .
If the Bible is the be all and end all, your rules will be broken more often by you, for trying to be too straight and narrow.
The bible requires its adherents to judge others as being sinful if they do not think like them! But then, it also says not to judge! It says "thou shalt not kill." But then tells its followers "thou shalt not suffer a fool to live."
But believers do judge others according to their own particular religion or preferences. And they want us to be like them! LOL!
On the contrary I dont want you to be like me or to be like you, or did you mean perhaps 'everyone all think the same way"
I dont speak for everyone else ,but personally Id find that pretty boring ,wouldnt you?
Another thing ,I notice in the forums especially if its Spiritual or Political (ugh) many people have great difficulty respecting one anothers views, and Ive witnessed it happening from both sides of the fence. Not sure why ,but one thing we can all agree on then ,is this man( real or imagined) Jesus Christ ,always commands an audience.
Just a bite of reality to nibble on
I guess it works both ways. People do not appreciate being told by any religion that because they do not believe in what they do that they are going to hell, are heathens, etc., etc., etc.
The Bible says something somewhere about turning the other cheek. Maybe more people on both sides should try that in the forums?
Before you start on me, I am a Spiritualist and not only have strong faith in my belief, I also respect those of other denominations.
Don't you know???....Like an inflated balloon!...Haha
Just kidding...carry on
Good question Randy! When I get to the other side, I'll come to you in a dream and let you know!
Cool! Let's make a wager and if you don't show up in my dreams your heirs can settle your wager with me!
I think $50,000 ought to do it! Deal?
Hey Randy? I may be wrong here, but if memory serves me my Bible gives me permission to confront and "judge" the sins of other believers...not you.
I gotta ask man, If Evolution, the Big Bang, and pretty much every theory (including mine) about the origins of the universe and or life, violate the first three laws of thermodynamics, (and every physicist, atheist Christian Hindu or whatever, will tell you they do) How did life begin? If it wasn't Natural, and by definition it can't be when it violates any of these physical Laws, does that make it Super-Natural? And if so, Can we define the boundary's of that term in an agreeable manner?
We do not yet have all the answers as to how life began, but if mankind lasts long enough, we will! How life got here? Unless we were "planted" here by superior beings (ETs not deities) it is most likely life arrived by comet or asteroid.
Most, if not all, of our water arrived via comets! When the universe was young the sky was covered with them! Can you imagine how wonderful it must have appeared? Most of them have become part of other heavenly bodies at this point with only the few strays we occasionally encounter.
Jupiter and Saturn suck them up if they get too near our solar system like the one a few years ago. But some of them may have brought life to the earth and to other worlds also. I would say most definitely to other worlds. We are not that special, ya know!
Your bible says both. You are told not to judge, lest you be judged your self and at the same time you are told to judge righteously other believers.
This creates numerous wars and problems because the Omnipotent Being who wrote it was too short sighted to see that this would cause nothing but incessant fights.
The only people who think evolution and the big bang theory violate the first three laws of thermodynamics are religious people who have been told this by other religious people who want to fight about an Invisible Super Being.
But - what you seem to be saying is - the first three laws of thermodynamics are wrong - you can create something from nothing. You just need majick to be able to break them, therefore there is a invisible super being wot dunnit.
I suggest you spend a few years learning and understanding these laws and theories before claiming to know more than the entire scientific community.
Just because you do not understand them, that does not leave your invisible super being wishing everything into being a few thousand years ago as the default "theory."
Nope... I most certainly did not say the First three laws of thermodynamics are wrong. All of our ability to define via empirical process is governed by acceptance of these as truth. Properly defined, No theorem can be called a Law unless it can be Empirically proven. For those of you who are honestly trying to gain more understanding, (not those of you who come here simply to pad your hits by creating controversy) there is a really good explanation of the first 3 Laws of thermodynamics, try www.physlink.com. They have a great explanation a non physicist can grasp quickly. There is also a 4th law that preceded these three that is considered Law 0. It's commonly refered to as 1st Law.You can't create something from nothing. Energy can neither be created or destroyed. 2nd law. Once altered, you can't return to the exact energy condition as you started with. Entropy never decreases but always increases. 3rd law...0 is impossible. at absolute zero, matter becomes anti-matter. at even the sub atomic level, a single molecule will strike something in it's circle of containment and create heat and thus attract more molecules etc.
"The only people who think Evolution and the Big Bang Theory violate the First 3 Laws of Thermodynamics are religious people..." The statement, like so many I've read stated here as fact. is false. When a false statement is given with the intention of misleading it is a lie. When it's given out of ignorance, it's just ignorant.
the laws of thermodynamics are referring to theoretical closed systems. Earth is not a closed system - energy comes into the system from the Sun, which provides the energy required for building molecules.
We are a curious race of people, tis a good thing too ,or we would never find out all those answers to life's questions
"think they can tell us(Christians) that How and What we believe is wrong? I know that I can admit when I am wrong, and that I don't know somethings. Have they shared in any of the experiences that a majority of US, have had in experiencing God? Are they the one's who are a part of Your relationship with God? What I do see is a lot of hate directed toward people who Love what is good, and desire the best for there fellow man.. To know the True Living God...."
...people should believe what they want...for me i tend to add in there..."as long as folks aren't judged or condemned for their beliefs and hurt others with whatever those beliefs are"....i guess what happens is when some folks talk about the knowing the true living god...well that just sets those folks up for a discussion...what is the true living god?...i guess there's many, many definitions of that....and so the discussion continues....seeking the truth....i don't believe there is a truth that suits everyone...just my own....and i'm happy with that...
As long as you are really happy with it SomewayOuttaHere, then why let people like me bother you?
I read the Bible, the Bible says test it. Unfortunately, many Christians don't pass and you nor anyone else should take that personally.
It's what you believe, you believe you aren't perfect, that is fine. You believe you are a sinner, sure, if you say you are then you are.
So don't be hurt by people's objections when you are much harder on yourself then others are over a belief in some god that doesn't make you feel very good about yourself and wants to drag others down with it.
I am a good person. I believe in doing good things, like good things, wouldn't ever hurt someone but when it comes to God, well sir, you have to keep it to yourself. Otherwise YOU actually set yourself up to be tested and when you fail the test, don't get mad over something you already know.
Does that make sense? Not trying to sound offensive.
no it does not.
we are all sinners, God hears my prayers, I ask forgiveness, He does. no one is perfect, every one makes mistakes, main thing is try to be the best you can, you do not have to be Christian to do that,
my God is rewarding me and he will after I leave this world
Be sure to tell us all about it after you leave! Until then, it's only predictions!
That's right, you don't have to be a Christian to be a good person.
Basically, if you keep taking the bait, people will keep baiting you. If a post is off-topic, why not just ignore it?
Absolutely right! I can't agree with you more.
How is it that Others who come in here into the Christian forums
Was this whole forum designed for Christains only?
They think the whole "Religion and Philosophy" forum means "christian". It's the same thing everyday.
This particular thread *is* in "Christianity, the Bible and Jesus, Christian Living".
Whatever, this is still a public forum and you can't stop people from posting where ever they wish.
If Hubpages management wish the forums to be as rigid as you do I am sure they would enforce it.
For all of you saying I do not have the authority to stop people from writing on this forum or for those who say I can't stop people from writing where they wish.
Who said I was trying to do such a thing!
Again, you are not listening. I am giving you the purpose set by hubpages not me. In providing the purpose of this topic I was also letting the person who posed this question understand that those who are misusing the purpose of the topic are not following hubpages decorum.
However, to tell me not to regulate, not to stop free speech, you have no authority, you can't be so rigid etc. etc. etc.
Is completely off the path.
Must I write in large words?
Well, I will not since I was just told that writing in capitals is a form of yelling on hub pages.
Well excuse me. I didn't know, now that I know I wont' write with large letters.
See, I follow the rules. It's as easy as that
Have a great evening everyone I am over and out!
No more time spent on foolishness and folly, must move on to a more productive issue ... like what am I having for dinner.
TTFN (Ta Ta For Now)
Furthermore, do not mistake my words.
I said I expect you and all men to behave as gentlemen.
I behave women to behave as ladies.
This is proper etiquette and behavior in a prosperous civilization.
Your comment for me to make you a sandwich because I am a woman, again reveals that you have no idea what I am referring to when I speak of behaving as a gentlemen.
Gentlemen do not see woman as their inferior but treat them with respect and dignity. Gentlemen understand we are equal yet different and can accept their differences without bigotry or prejudice.
Gentlemen try to understand that one of the differences we have is a woman's spiritual walk is something much more than just mere words and rituals, it is a part of our being, a part of our core. We are deeper when it comes to spiritual matters than men.
So when addressing a lady on a spiritual matter, a gentlemen would not use sarcasm to get their point across.
Come on, I know you know better. I know there is a descent man down deep inside of you. I know you know that your kidding around is best kept for locker rooms, not for intermingling with ladies. Were not made that way, were deeper, more sensitive, more emotional, nurturing and long for respect and love.
I know you know these things. I know you were brought up with old fashion values and respect for all mankind.
I know you don't understand me and that is okay. I will simply say, I agree to disagree with you.
Blessings to you on your journey in life.
You know Icg4jc, (I presume the initials stand for "I can can go for Jesus Christ" or some such) I read your profile and glanced through some of your hubs. You are not a bad writer, but if you would like to make some money here, you are going to have to lighten up a little.
I am not angry with you, I promise! I was responding in kind to your actions on this thread and I presume you didn't like it. But after I read some of your Diary of a Depressed Woman, I was depressed myself. Depressing readers is not good for making money.
And I know, these hubs were not intended to make money. A bleeding of grief, of sorts. I write some for myself too.
I'm sorry you have had to go through so much trouble. But I think it has made you a bit bitter about life. But perhaps you have never had a sense of humor. I could not live without it myself. Peace!
Thank you for your kind words. I have always had a sense of humor, I have always lauged at life when everything went wrong. I guess just too many things have gone wrong and some sense of joy has been lost. I am not bitter just very low. I find solace in the comments that other believers leave on my hubs concerning my experience. I am at a place where I need those encouraging words to help me survive and you're right I have no ability at this point in my life to deal with any more chaos, even if it is just chaos in forums written by mere men.
I guess I yearn for order because it means peace and tranquility to me. It means all is well.
Well, I'm tired, just tired. In fact, it is time for me to read the Word before I go to sleep and find His presence and peace in the Psalms.
Not proliferating only sharing my heart. This is all I have, to Him I run and to Him I seek reguge, there is no one else I can rely on to help.
Peace my new friend and best wishes to you and yours
depression in christians seems to be a common occurence. If I can ponder it more, maybe I will write a hub about it?
Baileybair how are you? I haven't seen you for a while, perhaps because I am trying very hard to stay away from forums. I saw your baby boys last pictures and they surely brought a smile to my face. Thank you for posting them, I hope you will post some of him during the holidays.
Anyways, going back to answer the three posts with my name.
First, just so you know, Randy and I are fine, we are at peace, all is good.
Second, I am not saying non-Christians can't enter this forum, I am saying those who are not interested in Christian topics should not enter simply to cause upheavel and chaos. The answer to the person posting doesn't get answered when so much junk is added to the forum.
Third, I know you know depression is not only about Christians. The world suffers from depression at one point or another. Sometimes it is situational depression, other times it is biological, physiological, and caused from a disorder of some sorts. I know you know through your own experience that Christians are not perfect. They are still in the flesh. We are all decaying little by little every day and our bodies and mind begin to fail us as we grow older.
Christians are not superbeings, we still live in this tent of flesh. Therefore, we are prone to disorders like everyone else who isn't a Christian. The disorders can be physical, physiological, biological, hormonal and all other medical terms I am not proficient enough to mention.
I am menopausal, one day hot, the other cold, sometimes the very same day switching from hot to cold and changing clothes at least three times a day. LOL
Menopausal woman have a high rate of depression as well.
I have been hospitalized and have had surgeries these last past seven years 10 times. Seven were on my kidney, had a cute pee bag for about four months; hysterablation, both feet needed to have surgery, pain got worse developing RSD.
I have been diagnosed with fibromyalgia for the past 15 years. Somedays can barely move. I had to deal with a son who went through a nervous breakdown because of his ex-wife and what she did during the marriage. Then we all know, my latest ordeal.
Chronic pain, continual physical problems, emotional upheavel all have an extreme impact on one's life.
On account of these things and all the regular stresses in life not to mention my week last year hospitalized for asthma have all had one way or another an affect on my emotional well being.
I know that I could never have made it thus far without my faith in God and my love for Jesus.
Please understand personally I thank God that I have Him to turn to in my prayers and in my thoughts and in my life. I really really can't live without Him.
I can't speak for others, this is the core of my being.
I understand and respect your choice about this matter and its okay. You and I can agree to disagree, that's what brings in variety in this life. And I for one am very glad that I have come to know you through hubpages and that I get to see pictures of a loving mother with her beautiful son. Taking me back to when my boys were children. No greater joy in life than to be a mother of boys (okay so I am a little prejudice, but what the heck, I guess it's allowed .
sounds like you are having a rough time. I can sympathese about the fibromyalgia etc- I had a pain disorder for years (I was told it was fibro, but was misdiagnosis - turned out it was food sensitivities that made me ill all those years).
Glad you and Randy are fine too
I'm curious, Randy if you find my hubs depressing at all? I've written about painful experiences, like my deconversion from christianity, and depression etc, but hope I am writing in such a way that one can see that I am no longer in the pain, but rather analysing it.
I had to laugh at this thread. It's obviously been around for several weeks, but this is the first time I looked at it.
Could someone please explain who "Others" are? Last time I checked, this was a public forum run by HP and anyone can hop into any forum or any thread at any time. If you want to keep things on a "yes" note, why don't you find a Christian forum or ReligiousFanaticsRUs or something like that. If you want to continue to post, we're going to continue to pop in whenever we darn well feel like it.
A lot of atheists were once faithful believers but was hurt and blamed God and turned away from the faith (due to a lack of solid teaching/foundation in God). It's sad that many preachers are preaching this prosperity gospel-that God desires you to be wealthy and healthy......and as soon as something goes wrong people are confused and mad....well, your preacher was not really preaching the Gospel..no where does it say that God wants you to be wealthy and healthy. In the Bible, almost everyone went through trails and tribulations.
Furthermore, some people don't want to be held accountable for their actions. They might believe there is a higher being but they do not want to do anything to know this being or they do not want to change any of their ways. Some respect the beliefs of others while some attack! And when they attack, its our duty to show them love and correct them with love and knowledge.
Your duty? You are not serious, are you?
Yeah Randy...Duty describes it reasonably well, but I'm not so sure it applies to those who are "attacking". But the "Church" and the word (frequently) have different reasons for this. Like the local church that has contests for who duct tapes and drags the most folks in? Don't remember reading ...Go out and bring em in...I do remember go...make disciples ... Love is for everyone, but correction is reserved for brothers or folks we are directly responsible for.... not for folks who vehemently disagree, or openly refute. Shake the dust from your sandals Lady Rice. Shake the dust from your sandals...
Sounds more like the military. Soldiers for Jesus, or some such nonsense. The same reasoning used to provoke the crusaders into murdering Muslims and also Christians who dressed like Muslims.
Yeah, doing their duty.
The only difference between the church today(meaning religion) and the one Jesus called a brood of vipers is 2000 years. Still about trying to be Gods spokespersons... ( Jesus threatened their gravy, because they had folks believing they needed them to sustain their relationship with their Creator) Sorry to say that's the response that so automatically comes to your mind and the minds of a whole lot of folks, when you read Christian. Saladin would do well today eh? hehehe...nowadays ya don't see too many faiths out there crashing planes into buildings or killing non-combatants...
I gotta believe your existence and way of life is in more danger from posers than from those who sincerely seek the Truth. You should be able to tell the folks who read their Bible to find passages that support their rationale, from those who open it to challenge their rationale.
And yup Duty. Sometimes we get lucky and help someone stop beating their kids or wife. Sometimes we help hold families together. Sometimes we help the jobless find work, the homeless find shelter, sometimes we fail miserably. Knock and the door shall be opened... not walk by my door and stuff it up your butt sideways...but Dude...if you knock...it's our duty.
Your insistence on always showing up in forums like this would encourage some to conclude your knockin'...but maybe it is the ratings your after....folks here are passionate and can't prove tangibly what they insist is real...recipe sounds like one I've seen here before. hmmmm
You keep mentioning "ratings" and I don't know what you are referring to. And believe it or not, one doesn't have to be Jesus freak in order to help other people. Nor do they feel the need to convince those they are helping that a supreme being wants their soul.
If you had been born in another part of the world, you would perhaps believe in something entirely different than what you do now. You would feel fine facing Mecca and praying to Allah and casting aspersions on those like you.
Unless of course, you think you would have found the true god while reared by Muslim parents in the middle east. Not many do, you know. Just as very few fundamentalists turn to Islam.
Religion is inherited for most. I suppose you think you just happened to be lucky, right? LOL!
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