God exists in the Cross Hairs of Perceptions

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luabuposted 13 years ago
The first step to understanding is looking.
I have targeted a place where god exists.
Focus and tell us what you see.
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  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't get it? Is this a trick question?
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  spookyfoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's not even a question.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hi spookyfox
  it's a request,an invitation,a challenge,a plea.....
  
  Welcome
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  this is not a trick question pennyofheaven
  inspired by the hub prove you exist
  tricks are for clowns
  Welcome
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  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ok cool! Why the cross hairs and not beyond the cross hairs, before the cross hairs as well? Are you meaning our understanding of or communication with God?
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Focus and tell us what you see
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  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Filters like rays of sunlight coming through a passing cloud.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would agree that god only exists in ones perception.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hi Beelzedad
  
  getting you to agree that god exists is my finest achievement to date
  he is a conceptual being /castlepaloma told me so
  we both accept his existence but only as a figment of people's imagination
  i'm i getting this right
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  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But God hates figs the Phelps said! Imagination is good!
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hi pennyofheaven what on earth is a phelp
  it's mentioned on the forum but i honestly don't know what they are
  figs?
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  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry luabu I was joking. On that Phelps thread there is an article that said God hates figs. And your fig-ment bought it to mind. Phelps are a family in a babtist church that protest in the most unusual of places like funerals.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thanks pennyof heaven
  they sound like my kinda people
  maybe i'll introduce myself to them
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I would agree with anyone who said gods exist within their perceptions. Gods don't exist anywhere else, though.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there is a quantifiable phenomena here with measurable characteristics
  
  gods exist in perceptions
  
  god as a meaurable identifiable single object exists in the cross hairs of these perceptions
  
  we are all looking at the same thing at the same spot
  
  QED it is there it exists
  
  now we need to study it and see what we have been looking at
  i'd love your opinion on this
  luabu
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Then, show me those "quantifiable and measurable characteristics"
  
  Yes, the perceptions of reality induced from religious myths.
  
  LOL! I still see reality, but it appears quite void of gods.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, the perceptions of reality induced from religious myths.
  
  a bit like what happens arb further down this hub/have a look
  
  also what is making people see a god
  i have it cornered and in our sights/we all agree that it is there/now what is it
  luabu
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, no "quantifiable phenomena with measurable characteristics" are forthcoming?
  
  Figments of ones imagination.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i'll be on this tomorrow Beelzedad/info forthcoming
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  this thread has me thinking at a very deep level
  i knew i had something to do Beelzedad and i honestly forgot
  quantifiable phenomena with measurable characteristics
  in the oven as we speak apologies
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There seems to be a common subconsious perception of( a God being ) among humans which is real and quantifiable.I personally suspect that all living things have this in their own way.It is an intrinsic part of being alive.
  People feel an external warmth,a light,a radiance,a love,something beautiful....etc
  They have a desire to approach this thing.They call it God.
  Suggesting that this phenomena does not occour is as proposterous and wishful as stating that you or I know anything about it.
  
  Beelzeedad:thousands of people rushing into a shop suggests that there is something of value in the shop:Deep within humans there is a God thing.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, no "quantifiable phenomena with measurable characteristics" are forthcoming?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thousands of people rushing into a shop suggests a good advertising campaign.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  not if they are walking past the people on the way out mark
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzedad :you wrote.....
  I would agree with anyone who said gods exist
  
  within their perceptions. Gods don't exist
  
  anywhere else, though.....Yes, the perceptions of reality induced from religious myths.....Figments of ones imagination
  .
  
  My research based on the small sample used in
  
  this thread is sketchy but revealing never the
  
  less.
  You agree that Gods exist in perceptions....
  when you looked yourself you reported back to
  
  us....you said
  I still see reality, but it appears quite void of
  
  gods.
  I don't think you looked?
  No description of the reality you saw.
  I wouldn't say for example
  I saw Dublin but it appears quite void of laughter.
  Would that not be a very subjective thing to say
  
  and would it not suggest that I hadn't really
  
  checked the place out.
  There are things here
  one guy saw a diamond
  another saw love
  another saw light
  arb was nearly blinded
  
  Don't be afraid of what you might see Beelzeedad
  Take a better look /what does this reality of
  yours really look like/don't just tell us what it
  hasn't got/we've figured their are no God's in
  your perception/perceptions
  How real is your reality to you/
  Focus and tell us what you see.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sure I did, I look at reality ever waking moment of my life.
  
  Why should I be afraid of looking at reality, there is nothing else to look at.
  
  Perhaps, I'm not getting through... I see reality with clarity and focus, it is completely devoid of gods. If anyone claims to see gods, they should seek professional help.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why should I be afraid of looking at reality, there is nothing else to look at
  that is what you said
  
  Beelzeedad
  please apply your logic to this
  
  when you look at reality do you see love
  
  if you do /how is it measurable and quantifiable
  is love real
  
  if it is then this thing we are talking about God is real and exists
  it is a human phenomena just like love
  if you do not see love in reality then i respect your viewpoint and concede the logic of this discussion
  Thanks for your previous answers and looking forward to your post on this .
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  What this has to do with myths and superstitions and the fact that you have yet to produce anything measurable or quantifiable about gods is beyond me.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzeedad
  i have just searched all of Jerusalem for you and i find you in a hubbers synagogue praying for sick relations.
  Almost biblical Beelze/ answer the question please. /i was worried about you/yuu need to work on your sincerity whilst praying/just an observation.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzeedad
  when you look at your reality, do you see love?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Don't you think that it would be much easier to just say you have nothing quantifiable or measurable rather then trying to squirm out of it by turning it on me?
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  if you cannot answer this question in any way Beelzedad i feel that you are not really being open and frank about your real beliefs
  this would be a surprise to me as it would seem that you had suddenly become your own version of a fundamentalist religion
  ie i see what i see and thats whats there
  your challenge to me is easy for me and i assure you i will answer it in my next thread post /something you are welcome to
  now we have two new concepts faith and trust
  do you trust me/ do you have faith that i will attempt to give you satisfactory /measurable/quantifiable/proof that god exists
  you have already admitted as much yourself
  answer this question now
  when you look at your own reality ,do you see love?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, you are not being honest about your claims of producing "quantifiable phenomena with measurable characteristics" - that has nothing to do with me.
  
  Yes, I understand that believers are unable to quantify anything they claim and must turn their failures against others in defense.
  
  I'm almost sure you'll just dance around waving your arms rather than producing anything quantifiable, or you'll just keep asking the same question as if it were my job to do your homework.
  
  Yes, as expected.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Recap of thread for those just home from work
  
  Filters like rays of sunlight coming through a passing cloud-pennyofheaven
  
  I am for once, momentarily, intrinsically exposed. It was not me searching the scope. It was He.-Arb
  
  I would agree that god only exists in ones perception Beelzedad
  
  everybody is my brother in humanity and I love them all.Paarsurrey
  
  Too funny! Thank you for the laughter. I've not laughed all day until this moment. Cagsil
  
  We're going along nicely
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  Reachingoutposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Lets take a look at this article it will help us in our perception - http://hubpages.com/hub/The-being-Called-man
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Cagsilposted 13 years ago
Too funny! Thank you for the laughter. I've not laughed all day until this moment.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil
  ..................just a little bit closer...
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Creator-God has many attributes; two of which are relevant here; the first of the two is that He is az-zahir- evident of the most evident and the second is that He is al-batin- He is hidden from the most hidden; one cannot perceive Him unless He Himself comes near to the focus of our eye or inner-eye:

[6:104] Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes. And He is the Incomprehensible, the All-Aware.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … ;verse=103
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks Paarsurrey for your comment
  
  az-zahir- evident of the most evident
  
  al-batin- He is hidden from the most hidden
  
  is it that he decides whether you see him or not?
  
  is this stuff explainable to me?
  
  like evident of the most evident/take this
  
  like /big of the largest/
  
  what does big of the largest mean to you?
  
  I really really don't understand this
  
  Eyes cannot reach Him but He reaches the eyes.
  
  --is this like /he'll tuck you in when you have your homework done/kinda like a father/like he's definately male/yeah?
  He's incomprehensible but definately male/I think i'm getting it.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
One can only reach Him or know Him under the principles and methods He has set for us to know him as He is out of our reach in this sense that our methods fall short of that dimension. We cannot reach Him through our own faulty devised methods. He has created everything with such precision and set it on an automatic mode that apparently it seems that it needs nothing from outside to run.

Here comes the need of Word of Revelation from Him.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hi paarsurrey
  
  You believe in your journey and you have methods and principles to get there.
  
  Sounds like a plan to me.
  
  Focus and tell us what you see.
  
  it's a god we can't understand,quantify,imagine or describe in a way that anyone has yet devised
  
  i think you believe in an omnipotent god same as most religous people
  
  there is logically only room for one of these /that means sharing
  
  unless there is a dimensional hierarchy among omnipotent gods
  kinda like /one on first floor /top floor etc
  
  think about this point please
  
  you have no tangible quantifiable human evidence about your god but yet you know enough to dismiss other peoples gods as false gods.Maybe there are sub gods.
  
  religous people could haggle over real estate in this not world sphere
  
  i'll take it you can't see anything because it is unseeable.
  
  Thanks for your contribution
  You tried to explain it to me (commendable and generous) but i just don't get it
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes; we can't ourselves understand, quantify, imagine or describe the Creator-God Allah YHWH; yet he comes near us and we can know of him from His attributes manifest in the Universe and the Life.
  
  Here comes the need of Word of Revelation from Him.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's a belief in an omnipotent creator god.
  Take your pick from the top shelf.
  I like your idea that the creator god is tangible in the created world/like it being a him/ at least it's earthed which is always a good thing for tall buildings
  nice to chat
  thomas
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Word of Revelation guides us to the tools of ethical, moral and spiritual realms to know of the Creator-God Allah YHWH from his attributes.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I've run out of paint balls paarsurrey
  May your God go with you.
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arbposted 13 years ago
The cross hairs are interesting as is your question. A first take (obviously from my own experience with scopes)prompts me to make adjustments to both the horizontal and vertical lineation. If not adjusted properly for the intended range I miss the target. I like the illusion of the scope, same scope, many adjustments, from many people result in various targets being struck.
As I make adjustments by focusing and counter focusing, I come to a place where I am simply blinded, for my feeble attempt can not penetrate the returning gaze. I am for once, momentarily, intrinsically exposed. It was not me searching the scope. It was He.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  God I love you arb
  Welcome to this thread
  Every hub needs and arb /Hang in here please
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  arbposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Every hub needs a luabu less I have nothing to respond too and consequently, I would miss being loved!
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Creator -God Allah YHWH is Omnipresent with his attributes in all realms; physical, moral and spiritual ones; created by Him. He does not claim that he exists in the physical realm bodily; so if a pseudo-Scientist claims that he has not seen Him anywhere in the Universe; he in a sense expresses that the Creator-God Allah YHWH does exist but he has used the wrong tools; or his tools are faulty.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi Parrasurry
  Nothing left except real bullets
  I was keeping them for Cagsil the cat
  A lesson in endangered species so to speak
  Beelzedad /good to see you.
  
  parrasurry
  here's the thing/
  
  This how omnipotent Gods go down
  They're like toys at Christmas
  Action men figures usually
  Jingle All The Way
  Everyone kinda wants them.
  Entrepreneurs perceive a need.
  They become the shopkeeper
  They escalate the cost of aquisition
  They import cheap immitations
  They become very very powerful
  They go global
  Luabu warning
  Don't buy one.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't want any bullets; just expressing what I sincerely believe to be true; everybody is my brother in humanity and I love them all.
  
  I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  at last paarsurrey
  you finally focused and told us what you saw
  well done
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for your appreciation.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Anyone else want to take a shot at this.
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Joy56posted 13 years ago
r they awake now???? Are you taking the piss
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  joy56 absolutely serious at reaching a conclusion here
  great input from hubbers to date
  focus and tell us what you see
  hard subject/.are you up to it?
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  Joy56posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh yeah up to it alright
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Creator -God Allah YHWH is Omnipresent with his attributes in all realms; physical, moral and spiritual ones; created by Him. He does not claim that he exists in the physical realm bodily .
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you are making sense now paarsurrey
  
  you me and beelzedad singing from the same hymn sheet(joke)
  
  its a miracle
  well done
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OpinionDuckposted 13 years ago
Perceptions inspires all sorts of visions.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thanks for calling
  want to take a look in the cross hairs of perceptions and offer up what you see
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  dragonrainsd13posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "god" is a multifaceted diamond we all see 'it' differently, the path we walk is toward the same goal, just some are more aggressive then others.Some are more pushy. "god" is neither male nor female there is no gender it is just easier to give gender to understand. no book from ANY spiritual path is the only right answer period.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  great input dragonrainsd13
  a diamond is what you saw
  this gives us all a great object to attach our perceptions to
  that's brilliant
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  OpinionDuckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am off my meds , I don't see anything right now.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  no problem
  have another quack at it tomorrow
  luabu
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Focus and tell us what you see?
  anything happening in that bird brain of yours Opinion Duck or is it all seeds and corn?
  Luabu
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Joy56posted 13 years ago
This is breath taking stuff, i am learning so much.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thats what happens when you mix minds together Joy56
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luabuposted 13 years ago
Hi all
guesss who's back

i've been locked in a closet up top with beelzeedad
one of those replies spots where hubbers go when they are backed into a hole

i wanted an answer to this question and pushed the point without success

Beelzeedad when you look at your reality, do you see love?

beelzeedad has no confidence in my producing a quantifiable measurable god for him
this conversation is back out in the light for all to read
worth a visit to the top press if you want to take sides
luabu
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Creator -God Allah YHWH is Omnipresent with his attributes in all realms; physical, moral and spiritual ones; created by Him. He does not claim that he exists in the physical realm bodily .
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It appears your god does not understand the word "omnipresent." Your contradictions grow with every utterance.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hi mark chipping in here
  met you at the top of this
  the more i engage with paarsurrey the more sense he makes
  listen to what he says and you just might get it
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lightning johnposted 13 years ago
I definetley know where God and Jesus are!
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hi lightning
  i'm thinking of starting a new thread on this probably sunday
  want to keep your powder dry until then as i would love you to contribute then/or just tell us anyway Hi from Luabu
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  lightning johnposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I never got into the pwder stuff!
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luabuposted 13 years ago
Beelzeedad and Luabu conversation extract/in replies upstairs
Luabu
When you look at your reality, do you see love?
Beelzeedad
Don't you think that it would be much easier to just say you have nothing quantifiable or

measurable rather then trying to squirm out of it by turning it on me?
Luabu
If you cannot answer this question in any way Beelzedad,i feel that you are not really being open

and frank about your real beliefs.This would be a surprise to me as it would seem that you had

suddenly become your own version of a fundamentalist religion
.............ie i see what i see and thats whats there
Beelzeedad
I'm almost sure you'll just dance around waving your arms rather than producing anything

quantifiable, or you'll just keep asking the same question as if it were my job to do your

homework.
Luabu
I feel this was an important conversation and I would like opinion on same if possible

Luabu
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  When you look at reality,do you see Love?
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lightning johnposted 13 years ago
They are in Jail! Or at least thats where every murderer or rapist or other scumm bag finds them.
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  luabuposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes /you are right lightning john
  jesus and god are in jail
  luabu
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  lightning johnposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And it is truly amazing!
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luabuposted 13 years ago
This is such an easy question.

when you look at your reality do you see love?

Three people here with me at the moment

we all said Yes?
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  pennyofheavenposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I guess it depends on where one looks luabu. If one only sees the weeds in the garden it is a real shame.
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