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History and historicity of the First Ever Atheist compared with Jesus

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    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    History and historicity of the First Ever Atheist compared with Jesus or Moses

    I am much surprised often by the Atheists asking proof from history or historicity of Jesus or Moses.

    Do the Atheists have any history and historicity of their own?
    For instance; can any Atheist tell us history and historicity of the first ever Atheist?

    Let us compare the history and historicity of the First Ever Atheist with the history and historicity of Jesus and Moses.

    1. pisean282311 profile image51
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am much surprised often by the Atheists asking proof from history or historicity of Jesus or Moses.

      why are you surprised...infact you should be glad that there are people who seek reason before faith...human development remains safer when people question ...if one accepts everything which has been written thousands of years ago , we wont have reached where we are today...


      now coming to your point..it is good point but alas atheism doesnot have profound history...you know how religious masters have been....they created lot of rules due to their insecurity and atheist got getting killed up..something in name of devil...at times in some other name......but yes India does have atheist history from 6 AD...but atheism is as old as theism...since human began to think and created religion , there were people who opposed god concept...like we can't trace when did men come with god concept since it is age old...since time when human lived in jungle , in same way we can't know when did atheism first began...

      we can very safely assume that both are product of human brain...

      1. profile image69
        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Atheists have not history or historicity.

        1. pennyofheaven profile image79
          pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So then there is nothing to compare. Comparisons are rarely if ever useful unless you are looking for commonalities rather than differences.

        2. pisean282311 profile image51
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          @paar so?...dont worry if hub does exist for 50 years and you , me are still alive...you would have plenty material to write about atheist...you can start atheist history...you have golden opportunity man...go for it...

        3. skyfire profile image73
          skyfireposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          That is because every living being is born atheist.

          History of humans begins with atheism and ends at delusion of theism wink

    2. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The first ever atheist would be the first man to live. Sadly believers murdered him for not believing. sad

      1. pisean282311 profile image51
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        well that happens both with atheist and someone who comes up with different version of god...so guess that is human nature....we still have blasphemy laws in some countries...shows how insecure humans are ...

    3. Uninvited Writer profile image80
      Uninvited Writerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You brought this up in another thread, why repeat is because you didn't get the answers you wanted?

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        He is very upset that some people do not believe in his Invisible Super Being. I don't know why.

        1. pisean282311 profile image51
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol but he does upset many believers too out here...atleast atheism provides one main benefit...it works as unifer for all religions ...they can't agree on what god is like but they can agree that atleast atheist are wrong lol

    4. Shahid Bukhari profile image61
      Shahid Bukhariposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      The first atheist, is Satan.

      Hence, any of Satan's followers ... atheists ... are not comparable, to the True Believers ...

      Forget about comparing Satan, with Prophets, hence, with Jesus, the son of Blessed Mary. Peace be Upon him..

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Don't be silly. Surely Satan believes in god. lol

      2. pisean282311 profile image51
        pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        now thats illogical according to concept of religion...satan is someone who is said to have spinal cord to defy god...now to defy one must know that there is god and belief in its existence...atheist on other hand dont belief in existence of god at first place...so satan comes in category of believers to start with...

        @mark

        i agree seeing how much man slaughter some religions has done over the years...satan must be brand ambassador of god wink

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Believing is obeying; Satan doe not obey the Creator-God.

        1. pisean282311 profile image51
          pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          satan doesnot obey in god and still god can't do anything about satan...isn't it interesting?...now coming to your point well what you are talking about as believing is believing in god's words...and for that one must believe god exist...satan believes that god exist as per religious concepts while atheist dont believe that god exist at first place...

        2. spookyfox profile image72
          spookyfoxposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Believing is not obeying, get a dictionary please.

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            paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this



            Believing in the Creator-God has to be followed by obeying Him; reason demands.

            1. pisean282311 profile image51
              pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              reason demands that existence of creator be established without doubt...i can't demand anything from any one unless i make myself available for all to see...since creator didnt do that , he lost all right to demand anything at first place...ball is in HIS court...if he demands then first he should make himself public...there are 400+ religions , many many claimed divine books...he needs to first define who he is and then demand...that is what reasonable thinking expects...it is like some book says ghost is there and so demand that we should fear it...now is it logical?...is it reasoning?...ghost/god/satan alls existence is debatable and hence demand is unreasonable...

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Creator-God exists without doubt; but He has given free will to human beings; there is no compulsion in believing him.

                One may, therefore, deny Him if one likes; it is all the suffeing and risk of the non-believer

                1. pisean282311 profile image51
                  pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  who says it is without doubt...of-course it is full of doubt and doubting is natural thing to do...even the self proclaimed believers at some point of time doubt his/her existence because it is un natural to believe something which is only as per few books , can never be seen and can never justify all the sufferings of the world...infact it is better to deny because that seizes the suffering...humans become responsible for their actions rather than looking some where else for blessing ...in end humans become self reliant and if we see our journey from jungle to cities...human is naturally self reliant and human creates way...never anything like god interfered in it , neither it would...even if god exist ...seeing nature operating confirms that god never ever interferes in it...so suffering seizes..for those who believe god interferes in day to day life and if they are honest to themselves and things around them, they would really become frustrated..

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Truthful persons and men of character called Messengers Prophets of all periods and in all the regions of the world testify to His existence without doubt.

                    There is no compulsion so the people in confusion and in doubt called Atheists,Agnostics,Skeptics of different hues and colors are free to deny him out of their ignorance. It is their free will though

        3. pennyofheaven profile image79
          pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It doesn't matter Satan is disobedient, we've got a "Save Satan fan club" going.

          1. pisean282311 profile image51
            pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            well you know who is founder member of that club?...It is god...god created satan and it is god which tolerates satan but punishes innocent humans...which means god wants to save satan but punish those who follow satan...also value of god is function of satan...without satan , god becomes useless...

            1. pennyofheaven profile image79
              pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Not according to some God won't save Satan. But I see your points

  2. Rishy Rich profile image75
    Rishy Richposted 6 years ago

    If there is a GOD/Allah/YHWH, then he is the first Atheist Ever.

    Because -

    1. He refuses to believe in any Higher Power

    2. He refuses to believe in any Similar/Equivalent God/Power beside him.


    By definition, He was the first & greatest Atheist ever smile

    1. pennyofheaven profile image79
      pennyofheavenposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      And there you have it one and the same. No reason to compare if they come from the one source.

    2. pisean282311 profile image51
      pisean282311posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      @rishy...well your logic works man....quiet right...

  3. Lady Wordsmith profile image82
    Lady Wordsmithposted 6 years ago

    I don't know about any history of historicity of atheism.  I don't really care about it - I only know I'm an atheist in the first place because society seems to think I need a label to account for my lack of belief in a God-thing.

    But could you please stop using the word historicity, because it's very difficult to read quickly in one's head, and I found your over-use of it rather distracting!

    smile  Peace and love to you smile

    Linda.

  4. skyfire profile image73
    skyfireposted 6 years ago

    Another BS from paar. *nods head*


    Every born child is atheist till he/she gets brainwashed by their parents cult. For example, you're going to brainwash atheist kids to make them ahamadiya.

 
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