I have seen here on these pages that most people want to judge others by another. Seams the opinion of Christians, non believers, Muslims, Catholics, who ever is being talked about, who ever is doing the talking, seems to want to believe they are all the same. A lot of people want to see Muslims as non peaceful, haters of Christians and anyone that is not Muslim. some believe Christians as seeing themselves as better than non-Christians. people will not actually look at what is being said, instead most people wants to attack the other with words. Whether you are speaking about Hindu, Muslim, Christian, non-believer, or anyone, shouldn't we accept the others' belief or opinion about what ever with a little kindness, even if we do not agree.
Strange how it is always (and only ever) people who believe god hates what fags do that want to "accept" other's beliefs with a little kindness. As long as they are free to tell us what god hates, of course.
God hates hypocrisy. Hates it and will burn those who practice it. I love you and do not judge you, but god will surely punish you for eternity unless you mend your evil ways.
And before you start persecuting me for telling you what god hates - remember I am just the messenger and I tell you this with with love and kindness and acceptance. This is what you do un-wittingly - because you are incapable of discerning what god wants and have free will to make god angry with you.
It is for your own good.
Because I see you hurting god.
And I love you.
And accept what you do.
All I ask is that you look at what I have said and see that I speak for god and tell you what god hates without judgment.
i dont find anything strange in that...as humans we tend to believe that what we believe is something which everyone must and what others believe is something which they must not believe in...reason we have religious scriptures promoting my daddy strongest theme is just because of these human nature...humans at core are same...whether one is atheist or muslim or hindu or christian or jew...behind all superficial layers in end we are all one species...
"shouldn't we accept the others' belief or opinion about what ever with a little kindness?"
Not if They Can't Spell Properly!!
That shows that there are Flaws in their opinion!
Don't you mean Seems... rather than Seams?
And as far as 'opinions' given that rely on quoting the unverified text of a book - In my Opinion.. Such Opinions should carry as much weight as it does in a Court of Law... Absolutely None... as it amounts to:
THE HEARSAY OF PARTIES UNKNOWN!!!
Of Course most Bleaters that I have met in forums like this, tend to overlook that fact for some reason!
I know of no one that does not have an opinion about something that is not verified.
everyone has opinions
If that's the case... then you must get out more and talk to Real People instead of unverified imaginary ones!
For whatever reason.... You Are Missing (Or Dodging) The Point that I made!
I agree with you 100%, God hates all sin, we are all sinners, and it is our responsibility to each other to speak the truth as well as we know it to each other, we should do it with love and understanding, by talking to each other we have a chance of seeing what we so wrong, because it is so easy to see the faults of others but many times so hard to see our own faults. some Christians do seem to believe just because they believe in Christ, that makes them perfect,and that is something none of us is
I don't understand why Christians talk about what God hates or whatnot as most things in the Bible require "specific" revelation from God and we should not determine the time when they are ready for a specific revelation.. God deals with each of us where we are at and THE ONLY thing to be done FOR SALVATION is Romans 10:9 - but always deviating from that one fact makes Christians a very easy target for attack...
As for the attacking and hating on, that is never going to stop, because each party believes for the most that there way is the right and for whatever motives they have they will continue to do that....
As you do, encourager, because you don't want people to end up where you think they will without JC as Lord and Master.
Rom.10:9 is just the first step, the word is full of instructions to follow after you do Rom.19:9
it is a long walk full of joy after you accept Jesus, but that is not all you have to do
Here is the problem - your hypocrisy. You cannot quote the bible and tell everyone what they have to do - and then claim to be "accepting" of other people's beliefs.
By doing this - you make it clear that other people's beliefs are garbage and wrong.
Tell you what. When you have removed the beam of hypocrisy from your eye - you can start removing whatever you see in mine. Deal?
And for the record - I am not a sinner. I do not recognize that concept. Jesus Christ was not a real person and I believe your religion is war mongering hatred spread by homophobes and misogynists.
I have never said any one has to do anything.
God gave people free will, that means they do as they please as long as it does not hurt someone else
There is no god. Please accept my beliefs and stop telling me there is. And telling me what I have to do. Thank you.
I believe, you do not have to,
I know there is one foe me
you do not have to believe
So - why do you feel the need to tell me what he wants me to do - seeing as it does not exist?
How is this "accepting" of my lack of belief?
I do not believe I have ever told anyone that God wants them to do something since we do have our own choice as to what we do or do not do
Exorter -- Romans 19:9 doesn't exist ...
Rom. 10:9, my finger did not do what it was suppose to do, it is called
You are still not seeing it. Accepting people would involving not needing to tell them what you think the God you think exists thinks about their behavior.
I did not know The Christians could not express their opinion, I am not telling anyone how to live what to believe how to speak, if someone brings up a subject, I am allowed to have my own opinion, an opinion is something every one has, no one has to pay any mind to any opinions expressed on these pages
YOU brought up the subject. YOU started the thread so that YOU could give YOUR opinion about YOUR god who YOU feel needs YOU to speak for him.
Which is fine; it's your right to try to pimp your religion, and it's your right to feign innocence when people tell you that is what you are doing even though you may have deluded yourself into somehow believing that isn't exactly what you are doing. It's fine. Just don't get all indignant and surprised that you get shot down. Nobody is buying the innocent, "But don't I have a right to express my opinion?" You started the thread. We're not dumb or blind.
You said we should be peaceful and accept *amd not judge* each other. Expressing the opinion that some one is a sinner is not peaceful and accepting and *is a judgement*.
At no point did I say anybody was banned from doing anything (I'm not the boss here), but hypocrisy is always worth pointing out. The mote in the other's eye, etc.
I was not pointing my finger at anyone, everyone is a sinner, accepting Jesus does not change that fact. being a Christian is trying to live according to the word, all of us who try are failures, we are sinners, we just keep asking for forgiveness from our Lord
Love thy neighbor! Unless they're gay, liberal, non-Christian or not the right kind of Christian.
There are reasons for such "unjustified" beliefs.
Come to India( or go to Israel) and you will see all the terrorists
are muslims. Terrorism may not be a problem in the west any more but try preaching these to people who have lost their near and dear
ones in terrorist attacks.
Every person believes that his/her religion is the true one, but
muslims are very assertive about the "only true" nature of their religion. Read what quran speaks about idol worship. Pretty evident
what Hindus can feel about them.
I have only spoken about Indians, same sort of problem exists everywhere.
a true Muslim believes their book which says to love the Christian
There were a few events, nine to be precise (called the Crusades), several hundred years ago where "Christians" invaded the middle east andraped, robbed, pillaged, and murdered by the hundred of thousands of innocent Muslims, Jews, Orthodox Christians, etc. They did far more damage than any modern terrorist group.
That does not justify or anyway dilute the acts of any modern terrorist group, and frankly why should Indians worry about what happened in crusades.
In India, sometimes Christians also get a bad rap because of the outrageous conversion efforts of missionaries. However, Indians don't generalize Christians since they are as a whole modern and progressive, generally.
People refuse to see what is right before their eyes.Their eyes are closed to the truth because they feel that they have done so much wrong that they are going to hell anyway so they don't want nobody esle to be saved.People have forgotten that you can repent your sins and start anew.
16".The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light,and upon those who sat in the region and shadow of death light has dawned.'
17.From that time Jesus began to preach and to say,"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
I don't believe in bible so its useless lecturing me about it. And as long as other religious groups try to convert Hindus or malign our religion or culture in any way they should be prepared to face some serious resistance.
Uh... lol. Let me see if I have this right:
You are suggesting that people DON'T believe in your Christian god because they DO believe in the Christian hell that only the god they DON'T believe in can send them to. You further reason that because they DO believe that the god they DON'T believe in is going to bring people to live with Him in heaven--a place they DO believe in--they are angry because the god they DON'T believe in is not forgiving them for their sins.
So, because they can't escape the wrath of the God they DON'T believe in, they seek to sabotage others from getting to His kingdom, which they DO believe in. Basically, following your logic, because these bitter unbelievers want to get into the heaven they DO believe but can't since the god they DON'T believe isn't going to let them, they respond by actively working to make it so that the god they DON'T believe in will send other people to the hell they DO believe in. By doing this, they make it so that nobody gets to go to the heaven they DO believe in and enjoy the love of the God they DON'T believe in yet desire to be with anyway.
Yep, makes perfect sense to me.
How can anyone forget with all you guys telling us all the time, over and over and over. Especially when you make your case so compelling with awesome reasoning like the stuff I pointed out above.
I know I'm going to be looking for my car keys soon as I finish up here and go find me a church to visit.
Hmm...Must be the word "Repent" that gets 'em so riled up.
It could be that a thread pretending to be about tolerance is really about why atheists are the one group this shouldn't apply to.
Brenda, Yes it was the word "Repent"
Repent? Isn't what inflames others. It's the wrongly formed belief and use of belief that inflames others. Those who lack understanding "how" to form a belief are the ones doing the most damage.
The fact that most people lack this simple understanding is why so much garbage in this world happens.
People seem to think that a belief is to be solidified in stone, and that is simply not true, because as Life moves, so does change.
Those who do not change, or adapt, are left behind and discarded just like waste.
The problem is not enough people truly grasping Life. They rather not even consider the thought, because they have always been told that it's complex and no one can possibly understand it. Since, no one can completely understand life, then they are to be made to answer to a higher authority, either a god of some sort or a government.
If the truth were accepted, then peace could be achieve, however, "truth" has also been corrupted to make you think that what "truth" is real. This has been done on purpose, so control can be maintained.
Truth- Life does not require a god, either to be lived or understood. Therefore, any belief formed about such is a lie to oneself.
It isn't life that people cannot understand.
We live, we die, and yes, change is inevitable.
It's the afterlife that people refuse to try to understand, and all the while claiming to know the truth. And yes, the word "repent" is once again relevant to the afterlife, ya know, the one you refuse to talk about or acknowledge.
Easy to talk about life and repeat Obama's phrases, isn't it, like "change the foundation of America", while you overlook Jesus's offer to change your afterlife. I admit it's not for the faint of heart. Much easier to live under the delusion that this life is all there is....
Useless to talk with misinformed fanatics like you....
You say that like it's a bad thing. lol
(I think that's gonna become my new catch phrase. Now, don't nobody steal it, 'cause my old phrases have become rather worn out and I need a new one.)
It's odd watching them make all these exertions about something they don't believe in. At the end of it all, they're not any closer to what it is they want.
I think you hit it Brenda, now you've reduced them to name calling.
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