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Do you believe in God?

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    Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago

    I personally believe and follow God. I do not follow a particular religion, as religions are man made, and most have man made rules that have nothing to do with the belief in God. I simply believe. What are your thoughts on this subject?(:

    1. Beelzedad profile image58
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      How can you not follow a religion and follow a god? How does that work? smile

      1. Jerami profile image73
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        If you don't know by now you will never never know.

        1. Beelzedad profile image58
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Then, with your vast intellectual prowess, explain it. smile

          1. Jerami profile image73
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            OK,  I'll take that as a challenge.

               Let me put this simple enough that you will understand.

               Just because you wright the name of my favorite singer on the side of your band wagon,  don't mean that I'm going to jump on that wagon or follow behind it.

            1. Beelzedad profile image58
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              That explains nothing. So, thanks for nothing. smile

              1. Jerami profile image73
                Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                OK !   let me get a little more simplistic,

                  Just cause you wright Potato chips on the side of a bag of rocks  and just cause I don't buy it,  don't mean that I hate potato chips.

                   Got it ??

                1. Beelzedad profile image58
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  In other words, you are entirely unable to explain it but you've got a marble bag full of hillbilly hubris to share instead.

                  Thanks for nothing, again. smile

                  1. Jerami profile image73
                    Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    OK ...   I got it !    I understand now.   I had my suspisions before but now I got it.

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                    couturepopcafeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Jerami love metaphor.  With respect - unfortunately they don't apply effectively to religion.

                    Jerami - You don't adhere to any organized religion.  Ok.  So how do you follow God?  How do you know what to follow?

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                    Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You don't have to be a Catholic, Jew, Protestant or affiliate of a man made religion just because you believe in God.

                    Another way using Jerami's wording...Just because you shop at Wal-Mart, doesn't mean you work at wal-mart (:

        2. Woman Of Courage profile image60
          Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I personally believe and follow God also.

          1. Jerami profile image73
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I just do the best that I know how, being given that which I was given to work with.

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              jomineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              which one?
              how do you know that is god?

    2. getitrite profile image78
      getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



      Could you define this God that you worship? And how did you find out about this God if not for the influence of others?

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        Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Read a book they like to call the Bible perhaps? It's not a requirement to "sign up" for some religion just to read a Bible.

        1. getitrite profile image78
          getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



          The bible?!  That's absurd.  You're just fooling yourself.

          There are over 30,000 different denominations of Christianity, and they all read the same bible.  It appears that you are not very different from any of them.  You are just non-denominational.

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            Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            There is a difference. The denominations make up rules you have to follow to "be one of them." If you don't follow their rules, then according to them, you are going "against the will of God" and they shun you for it. I do not agree with those ways. I would rather interpret the Bible the way it seems fit to me, not the way some one tells me it has to be seen.

            1. getitrite profile image78
              getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this



              Why not just stop half-stepping and throw the whole bible out?  You are still allowing them to control you, and you are rationalizing it.

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                So, if he doesn't follow an' organized' religion he should forget God? What kind of reasoning is that? Are you a sheep that has to be in a herd? He has a better chance of finding Truth by reading the scriptures than following some minister with his own agenda.

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                  getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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                    Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Reading the Bible does not mean I am being controlled by some organization. I'm not being controlled or brain washed or any of that. I read out of my own choice, my own free will. I decide what the things I read mean. I do not let other people tell me "this is what it's supposed to me." I don't agree with that. I believe we are meant to interpret the Bible the way we see fit. Not the way some one else does.

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                    just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Stated simply, the ripping of the veil outside of the Holy of Holies symbolized that the veil had been removed from over our understanding of God. Reading the scriptures and discerning for yourself is not beyond the grasp of anyone. And much better than taking someone else's word for it. Organized religion boils down to power over people. That has nothing to do with understanding God, and many times hinders your search.

                2. getitrite profile image78
                  getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  First of all, Why did you respond to my comment with this statement?  You created a strawman, then proceeded to answer the strawman's question, not mine.

                  I'd like you to go back and read my post, and confirm that I said anything close to that.



                  Another question to your strawman, nothing to do with me.

                   

                  Not really.  If he reads the bible with the assumption(already) that it is the word of God, then he is not much better off.

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                    just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    Well, that was much better. I thought your picture was of a mime. As to your answer, sorry you feel that way. Or do you really? That's the ongoing mystery.

        2. inksam profile image57
          inksamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Absolutely... The Bible is the Word of God.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol lol Interesting statement. You must be new. wink

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              klarawieckposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Cags, you're back!!! smile

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      ediggityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Do you think of God as the creator?

      1. inksam profile image57
        inksamposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Absolutely.

    4. qwark profile image60
      qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You must define this "god" thing you believe in before anyone can reply with a "credible" response.
      Tell me what "it" is you believe in and I'll try to answer your question.
      TY
      Qwark

      1. getitrite profile image78
        getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I'm sure you'll have to put him on the pile with the rest, qwark.

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          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Getit:
          lol...many of the "select" have been "chosen!" He may be on his way...smile:
          Qwark

          1. getitrite profile image78
            getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Isn't it amazing how these people, boldly, make these assertions, then when asked for some validation, they immediately start feverishly back paddling, while throwing angry childish nonsensical irrelevant comments.

            This shows a complete lack of credibility, and an unwillingness to man up when ones premise is proven to be a farce.

            1. qwark profile image60
              qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Getit:
              Yep!
              That's why I find 'em so entertaining. They do exactly what I expect.
              I'm always chuckling under-my-breath as I respond to 'em.
              I haven't found one of 'em that "tapdances" well yet.   smile:
              I never try to "prove" them to be farcical. I just offer them logic and reason and watch as they do a "marvelous" backstroke.
              smile:
              Qwark

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        Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        This is just a simple question. No need to define anything, I'm asking of every one else's beliefs, not my own.

        1. qwark profile image60
          qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Yes, it is a "simple" question.
          Since the word "god" can only be defined in terms of opinion.
          I can only consider it as such: an opinion.
          I don't waste any time considering opinions in ref. to "it."
          If I did, I would consider it to be an absurd waste of my time.
          Thanks for the response...smile:
          Qwark

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            Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well, if it is a waste of time, why bother wasting your time on such forums? (:

            1. qwark profile image60
              qwarkposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Travis:
              Responding to simple questions like yours is entertaining while my "front loader" is doing my wash.
              Qwark  smile:

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Yes, I do believe in the Creator-God whom Jesus used to call God-the-Father; Jesus was neither a god nor a son of god.

  2. Cagsil profile image60
    Cagsilposted 6 years ago

    And people wonder why the world is going to hell in a hand-basket. Too many selfish people in the world. hmm

  3. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Jerami love metaphor.  With respect - unfortunately they don't apply effectively to religion.

    = = = = = =

       Why do they not ?
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    Jerami - You don't adhere to any organized religion.  Ok.  So how do you follow God?  How do you know what to follow?
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       I don't know; ?   maybe God wrote his laws within my conciousness.   I didn't know how to read them as well when my harmones were rageing like a bull, 
        My eyes are failing me now,  I wear glasses,  but I think that I am reading the handwritting on the wall much better now than before.

       I can only figure out, to the best of my ability, that which I think is the right thing to do.  Then do the best that I can do to follow that reasoning.

    1. Beelzedad profile image58
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this



      That's why I mentioned before, Jerami, that you somehow knew everything there was to know about Jesus and that knowledge was confirmed by the bible.

      Of course, you most likely got all your beliefs from your childhood indoctrination, from the bible, from a religion. smile

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        Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The Bible is not a religion. You do not need a religion to read the Bible.

        1. Beelzedad profile image58
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ah, there you are. I had responded to one of your posts asking you to substantiate your extraordinary claims, but you seemed to have disappeared and have now resurfaced here. Strange that.

          I would agree you don't need to have a religion to read the bible, or the quran, or any other holy book.

          But, if you follow the bible, what god are you promoting? If you follow the quran, what god are you promoting?

          Religion is the belief in the supernatural, a category into which gods fall. If you follow a particular holy book thus following that particular god, you got a religion, baby. smile

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            Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well, the way you explain it makes sense I would say. But I believe the definitions we are going off of are different. The thing I'm talking about is organized religion, man made religion. That I do not agree with. I do not follow it. I follow my heart, my own beliefs. If you want to go by man's definition of religion, then yeah, sure I have a religion. But otherwise, I do not say I belong to any religion.

      2. Jerami profile image73
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That's why I mentioned before, Jerami, that you somehow knew everything there was to know about Jesus and that knowledge was confirmed by the bible.
        = - = - =  ??- = - =  !!

          No one knows everything. 
          Some of what I do know was confirmed by the bible,  that much is correct.

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        Of course, you most likely got all your beliefs from your childhood indoctrination, from the bible, from a religion.

        - - - - = = = = =

           NO! I wouldn't agree with that supposition either.

          I would say that from reading scriptures, believing to know those things that I already knew; I "MAY" have developed a different perception than many people that I have met.

           In fact I have received very little formal teachings from churches.

           I was totally  surprised when I found out what was being taught;  supposedly from the scriptures.

  4. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    I have a puppy running around in my back yard.  It just runs around looking for anything standing to chew it down or pee on it.  Then it digs a hole.
       Next time it climbs the fence to get out, IF the dog catcher catches it,   he can keep it.

       I hope I never irritate God like that.  If I do, who's fault is it if he lets me stay in the hole that I have dug for myself.

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    just_curiousposted 6 years ago

    The Bible says something to the  effect that God put a knowledge of Himself in all men. I'm religious, i see the logic in Christianity, but I don't follow the organized Church. I try to follow the teachings of the Bible.

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      Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Very much agreed! (:

      1. Cagsil profile image60
        Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And you both fail to realize you've been duped. How ironic?

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          Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Not at all cagsil. Had we chosen to believe what PEOPLE tell us, then yeah, I'd agree with you. If you interpret it your own way, then how is it you are? Other than possibly fooling yourself...which I'd much rather fool myself, than believe what others have to tell me.

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You've failed yourself then. Apparently you've not paid close enough attention to yourself, much less other people. It is abundantly clear you've been duped to believe in a god.

            Yet, fail to realize that Jesus from your own bible despised religion. Religion is the god concept and Jesus wanted nothing to do with it. YOU guiding yourself, through honest thoughts and actions, having love and compassion, for those who do not know how to do it.

            It's pathetic that so many people continue to assign a real identity, to something that is clearly not real.

            Jesus spoke about 'god' within people. The only thing IN you, is YOU.

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              Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No I did not fail to realize that. I can see that what I'm trying to explain does not make sense. If I could explain it better I would. However, I will admit, I'm young and still learning myself. But what you point out about Jesus, I mentioned, not directly of course. I believe my words were "God did not create religion, man did." I understand that is not directly what you say, but it is addressing the issue. This is why I do not follow any religion. I follow what I myself have learned, discovered, experienced, and believe.

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                just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                You follow your heart. Can't go wrong with that.

              2. Cagsil profile image60
                Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                No religion made up the "god" concept. Why did the god concept come into being? Because, it was noticed that humanity, the species, needed to be controlled and made to answer a higher authority, otherwise there would be chaos.

                Since people easily believed in a higher power and most commonly failed to understand their own life, making them completely unpredictable, they are more easily handled.

                Religion is nothing but a hoax. The hoax is the god concept, for which, Jesus recognized during his time. Rulers then, found him a threat, because he denounced religion and it's god concept.

                His message is as I said. Self mastery- control your thoughts, control your actions- love yourself first and foremost, then have compassion for those who don't know any better. That is Jesus' "god" concept. Not some imagined entity/spirit.

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Although I admire your thoughts on self awareness I would disagree with your conclusions on God and Jesus. Failure to have experienced anything in your own life to assure you of their presence does not negate the experiences of other individuals. An open mind guides one who is truly aware.

  6. habee profile image91
    habeeposted 6 years ago

    I believe in God, but I'm not a big fan of organized religion. My feelings on the subject are similar to Blake's. And Emily Dickinson's.

  7. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago

    There are literally thousands of gods to choose from!  Have you heard about Stoogism?  There is a book about this too! smile

    1. habee profile image91
      habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      That cult is a little too judmental for me.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        We do not judge, we fudge!  cool

        1. habee profile image91
          habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I didn't know you were such a fan of "fudge"! lol

          1. Cagsil profile image60
            Cagsilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'll take some if anyone wants to send some lol

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              habeeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Wish I'd known that at Christmas, Ray! We overrunneth with fudge then! lol

              1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Sure, in the Book of Curly it says-"Fudge not, lest ye eat fudge." smile

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                  Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I like fudge.

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    just_curiousposted 6 years ago

    Hey everybody. Beware the false Stooge gods and their crazy prophet.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am inspired by the word of Moe!  Woop, woop, woop, brothers and sisters!  lol

      1. Castlepaloma profile image24
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Moe was my God as a kid.

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    klarawieckposted 6 years ago

    Easy boys... easy! smile

  10. getitrite profile image78
    getitriteposted 6 years ago

    By the way, just-curious, this was my original post:


    "Why not just stop half-stepping and throw the whole bible out?  You are still allowing them to control you, and you are rationalizing it."

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      just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Not to belabor a point, but wouldn't that be like throwing the baby out with the bath water? I say Church is suspect. God is good.

      1. getitrite profile image78
        getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        But by using the bible, you are asserting that your deity is the only source to look for God.  I would think that an omniscient, all powerful creator would not confine himself to the pages of a book.  That kind of thinking is due to indoctrination.

        To look for the truth, I think that by using the same source of the people that you disagree with--to find the truth--is absurd. 

        It's like a child getting angry with his parent, and threatening to move out, then camping out on the porch.

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          just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I would disagree with that. I agree with what I think you are saying, that there are many ways to find God (for those of us who believe). And there is the danger of falling into the trap of religious dogma if you limit yourself to one way. I don't fear that and I do think it is entirely possible to find out what you need to understand God's desire to have a relationship with man from what I believe to be the Holy Scriptures, without joining the cult of organized religion. Just as I believe there are other ways to find Him.

          1. getitrite profile image78
            getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Which God?



            This is what I'm talking about.  Here, you are stating something that you have merely taken from the imagination of others.  Please prove first that there is a God, then, prove that He is a He, then prove that He desires to have a personal relation with us.  And can you do it without using the same book that "religious" people use too control others?

                 

            And you beleive this based upon what proof?

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              just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Getitrite, I understand where you are coming from, but it would be impossible to converse on this because ee have to start from a common ground. You state there is no God  I state there is.if we can't agree on the first premise, then whatever argument I presented would be bogus in your eyes. And I was just starting to enjoy taking to you. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. And just so you know, had no one told me of God, and if there were no scriptures to study I know, in my heart, that He would still have made his presence known to me. I's the open mind thing I guess.

              1. getitrite profile image78
                getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                The most logical thing you have said all day, but I really doubt that you have an open mind. lol  But keep believing what you want.  It's your right, whether delusional or not.

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                  just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Oh,i knew you would come back with something unkind. But I know you don't really believe that, so I'll take it in stride.

        2. Castlepaloma profile image24
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Funny getitrite

          Hey curious, you agreed with me on my middle grounds approach in life and it was some what how you fell about things.

          Allah wants all of you and Yahweh is the be all and end all

          Are middle grounds for a Christian, like being in the middle of the road where you can get run over?

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            just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Maybe, but I think the Christians like me stay alive because we stay out of church, so the organized religions  just figure we're atheists too. I can't get run over though. I dodge traffic pretty well.

            1. Castlepaloma profile image24
              Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              As soon as I say, everyone is God, many atheists tell me I'm religious.

              When I say to an atheist, I do not believe in a personal God or supernatural God, atheists they tell I'm an atheist.

              Most Christian ignore me moreso because I do not think jesus is the only way to God, even when I say, I fell mystic about Jesus, you seem to be open enough to the idea.

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                the pink umbrellaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Um, what most people do not understand is that god is in us, and all around us. We chose to worship the messenger. And why does "god" have to be located anywhere? like, he doesnt have to be a man in the sky. He can be all twisted up in who we are, and what we are capapble of. I just....dont get the old school die hard beliefs...i just dont.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image24
                  Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  It Kind of makes us and mixes us up into an over ego world. With good sense this world will move slowly towards a spiritual age, it's what I sense anyways, how about you pink?

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                    Travis_S_Musicposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    That spiritual age is what this generation is already considered. According to the "experts" or in other words the scientists.

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                    china manposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    In China - the new art is moving toward an interest in spiritual values to counterbalance the ascendency of commercial values with the economic renaissance.  This renewed interest is about spiritual values rather than a move toward religion and is invariably linked with a heightened focus on humanistic values in society.

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    Timothieyposted 6 years ago

    I doesn't believe in god, Because god doesn't do good for me any time in my life.
    http://hcgactivator.org

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      just_curiousposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I feel the same way about Fema and the Patriot act, but people keep telling me they're real. I don't know,i still don't see it.

 
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