Paul is founder of christianity?

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   pisean282311posted 13 years ago

   Paul's conversion dramatically changed the course of his life. Through his missionary activity and writings he eventually transformed religious belief and philosophy throughout the Mediterranean basin. He is considered to be the "founder" of the Christian religion. His leadership, influence and legacy led to the formation of communities dominated by Gentile groups that worshiped the God of Israel, adhered to the Judaic "moral code" but relaxed or abandoned the "ritual" and dietary obligations of the Mosaic law all on the basis of Paul's teachings of the life and works of Jesus Christ and his philosophy of a "New Covenant" established through Jesus' death and resurrection. These communities eventually became "Christianity", in the split of early Christianity and Rabbinic Judaism following the destruction of the Temple at Jerusalem.
   
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   read an article with above para...so christianity was founded 100-200 years after christ?..is it true?

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      Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus Christ is the founder of Christianity, it is based upon Him and His teachings. The Apostle Paul is a chosen Apostle, a desciple of Jesus called to teach Christianity.

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         Ahmad Usmanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         If that is TRUE, then where is the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
         
         PAUL was not a chosen apostle, he distorted the teachings of Jesus Christ and many times we read in the bible that people refuse to believe in him and Jews even wanted to kill him many times.

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      IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No.  Google search the Ebionites.  They were a Christian/Jewish sect that really "started" the religion.  The Ebionites were led by Christ's brother, James.  Also known as James the Just, and author of the Book of Hebrews.

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         pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         well they seems to be more like Islam faith...they consider jesus as messiah and worships god Yahwehas only god...

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            IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Well maybe Christ was Islamic instead of Jewish...... 
            But there is one small problem, Islam is about 500 younger than Jesus Christ first of all, and another thing the similarities between Islam, Christianity and Judaism are common and many of our 'biblical figures' are the same people.  So I can see why you'd think that.  However, if you know the factual history of Islam, you'd know that that would be impossible- it's an age issue. 
            
            The Ebionites, were a small band of Christ groupies, whom through archaeological findings tells us, were his relatives.  It was a small group comprised of his disciples, immediate family members, and their families.
            
            Furthermore, it was actually Jesus' brother James to whom Saul was chasing on the road to Damascus, when blinded by God and changed his name to Paul.

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               pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

               If you read about islamic faith , it is not 1400 years ago faith...they believe it is first faith ...they believe right from abhram to muhammad there have been messiahs and jesus is one of messiahs...

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   kessposted 13 years ago

   The foundations, the Lie has been laid long before Christianity.
   
   Paul was present when the Lie set about to integrate the man Truth within itself.
   
   Therefore he did what was he was destined to do, as the Lie engulf the Truth...
   
   But he is just a pawn doing what he must for the sake of Truth...and he cannot be truly condemned unless he condemns himself.

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      just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      What? Out of curiousity, what do you see as the truth? That's a pretty bold statement you're making.

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         pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         he does makes bold statements...

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            just_curiousposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Apparently off the cuff, too. I don't understand why he doesn't explain further. Not doing so makes it look like he doesn't believe it himself.

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            Dave Mathewsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Anything that is not a lie is truth. Truth is "BLACK or WHITE" there is no Grey area. Truth is verified and documented and Historically correct. As a Christian, truth is in agreeance with Biblical Scriptures and undisputible.

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               Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Love must be a lie then, as it can bring overwhelming joy while at the same time deliver unbearable pain.

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   goldenpathposted 13 years ago

   Personally, I feel that Christianity was founded by the one whom it is named after - Jesus Christ.  Each of us, including the prophets of old and new, have missions to accomplish.  Many of these missions were foreordained upon our heads to carry out.  Our individual choices in life either compliment or shame those sacred missions given us.  Paul's great mission was to spread the word of Christ which he did.  He helped establish the doctrines and precepts of Christ among the people but I'd be careful to pinpoint people as founders of Christianity.

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      china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      No - christianity is a religion that must by definition be founded by an adherent I would have thought ?  If there was a Christ then he or it would be the object of the religious worship.
      
      The thread is about whether the Paul that you think spreads the words of your Christ started christianity - which then opens the question of whether his 'teachings' are actually the teachings of your Christ.  The other apostles rejected him, especially Peter - and so it would seem that the actual message you should be following is Peter not Paul.

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   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   I do not know how, in all honesty, anyone can disagree that Pauls teachings were those that the council at Nicea chosen to make up the majority of the canon.
   
     Some of the writings of some of the origional disciples HAD to have be included in order or radification.
     The selection of writings were careully designed to place the greatest signifigence upon the teachings of Paul.
   
     I think that it is clear that had they selected an entirely different  collection of writings, religion would have traveled a different path.
   
     But, even in this; Gods will be done.

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      china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Or we are back to the old argument from the book that the message will get subverted and Paul was not one of those chosen - he came later self-claiming he had a vision.  If following Paul is right then I guess the omnipotent one made an error in his choice of disciples and man in promoting Paul knows better than this super being ?

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         Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Did I say all of that ?
         
            If I did ? That was NOT my intention.
         
            Concerning your conclusion derived from what I said, this your own.
           For which I am neither confirming nor denying.

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            china manposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Well yes you did say this actually - you said that Paul's works were chosen as teh absis of christianity and the disciples included to give authenticity. 
            
            Christians claim that god through the figure of jesus chose the disciples - yet man chooses to follow the teaching of Paul, who was not a disciple but a johnny come lately who never met your jesus and who was not welcomed by the apostles, who we are told speak for the figure of jesus.

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               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Just walked in the ront door.  Strange to see your recent post.
                
                 If I were your 7th grade english teacher and you were to surmise what you just said from that which was written, You would NOT receive an A.
               
                 It constantly amazes me what people think that they have read when in fact from a legalistic view point That is not what was written.  We tend to read much more into the subject matter than is really there.
                 This happens all the time, especialy where scripture is concerned.
                
               
                  But in this case; I will not dispute what you say.

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                  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  we read too much into god entity too...we should leave god alone and work with fellow human beings for betterment of humanity rather then wondering whether there is god or not , whether heaven is there or not...those are secondary matters...

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                     Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes we beat around the bush and are scared to touch the trunk of the tree,.
                     
                     
                        I'm too tired to think.   going to go fll down on the bed if I can make it that far.   Good night Yawl.

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   kessposted 13 years ago

   Truth is that which gives one the confidence to speak with boldness.
   
   Truth is tried by not by the many words of men...
   but only by the heart of the knower.

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      pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      

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   Cagsilposted 13 years ago

   Paul is founder of Christianity? Nope.
   
   He is the founder of "Christology" which is the make up of the New Testament.

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      pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Christology?

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         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, Christology- Paul's interpretation of Jesus' teachings, mixed with Plato's mysticism philosophy.

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            pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            just read about that...seems similar in way other religions too operate...always there , divine , salvation and such stuffs related with a person..

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Paul is founder of christianity?
   
   Yes, Paul is the founder of modern Christianity; Jesus never founded it. Jesus did not believe in the creeds held by the Christians of today.

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