Where is GOD?

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   oxymoronposted 14 years ago

   Inside everyone or somewhere in the Universe?

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      SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      God is everywhere and in everyone...to the degree with which He/She is believed, accepted, allowed and praised.

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         weblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Good answer

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      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Omnipresence. In all.

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         webismineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Do you pray to yourself ?

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            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Om namo Shiva and Shiv Ho Hum..

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               webismineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               Hmmm

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   oxymoronposted 14 years ago

   Anyone..?

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   

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   oxymoronposted 14 years ago

   What is it Misha??

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   Mishaposted 14 years ago

   koan

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      oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Is it the answer for where is God?

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   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years ago

   
   
   A new one !

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      I think perhaps you should remove the first 3 letters from your name

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         oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         After all, it is just a profile name Mark. Would you care to say what makes you degrade me? Honestly, I don't understand. Please Help!!!

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            Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            lol
            
            Have you looked at your profile image? And have you seen the smilies?

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               oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               My profile image shows my ring and my finger pointing to the center of my forehead. What's wrong with it..?? Seriously, I don't understand what do you say about smilies. I'm using right smilies?!

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                  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  lol
                  
                  Just like the smilie is waving a friendly finger to say "Hi - welcome to hubpages"
                  
                  Your profile image shows another person that is most definitely not you giving everyone the finger.

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                     oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Ok, you have problem in believing me. Let it be. What this has to do in this forum? Can't you guys avoid chatting off the topic?

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                        Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        No, I am just not a stupid as you think I am. You were asking why no one answered you. Misha told you why:
                        
                        

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                           oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Mark, I honestly don't know what I'm doing wrong. But, I felt uneasy as you were commenting on my profile image. So, I just have changed it to different pose.
                           
                           Thanks for everything

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               topstuffposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               She has changed the image but Mark and Misha are still pointing finger.
               ??????????

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                  oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  topstuff, please not again. Let us discuss on this thread's topic

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   Rochelle Frankposted 14 years ago

   Though some people do not know it, this is not a gesture that is universal.
   There was a famous photo of American servicemen (that had been captured from the USS Pueblo ) where several sailors convinced their North Korean captors that the gesture was a "Hawaiian  good luck sign". The N Koreans had sent the photo to the US to prove that the prisoners were well.
   Other cultures have other gestures that mean the same thing-- but oxymoron may not be aware that  the middle finger salute is considered rude by many people.

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      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Take a look at "her" hubs first - then decide whether or not that might apply

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         Rochelle Frankposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         You might be right-- and you probably  know more about his/her hubs,  but one could give someone from a different culture a benefit of a doubt.

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            Mishaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Come on Rochelle, I think all English speaking countries share this gesture, and most of the world is aware about it. You can see it on streets of Moscow nowadays, too
            It is not a good idea to start a conversation with insulting your prospective partners, and no wonder it did not produce any answer

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   sandra rinckposted 14 years ago

   I think I liked gamergirls answer from a long while back,  I think she said that God is in my farts too!.  LOL.
   
   No seriously, this is a repeated topic too.  Aren't there any new topic? 
   
   I like the finger jesture from Oxymoron.  Degrading, nothing!  I think it shows just a smidge of class and a personality that says, don't f**k with my head.  hahahahha. 

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   Robin Layneposted 14 years ago

   God is in everything, for those who have eyes to see it.

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    knolyourselfposted 14 years ago

    Guess you all see something I don't see. Spent some time in Greece. They use five fingers not one. It was said to mean F___ You, your father and mother, your brothers and sisters, everyone ever related to you, and everyone you ever knew, and
    everyone you will ever know. Now that's a gesture.

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       Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       The omnipresent F@#$ off sign, now that's God for you.
       
       If everyone put their middle finger up all over the world at the same time, I might take this as a sign that "God" existed....
       
       
       
       Will the real Slim Shady please stand up?

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    Rochelle Frankposted 14 years ago

    Sri Lankans use the index finger, In Iran Afganistan and parts of Italy and Greece it's  a 'thumbs up" . The OK sign is offesive in Brazil or somewhere.
    
    Actually there are a lot of refrences on the net about how  different cultures use the different gestures and body language to mean different things.
    
    Nevertheless, your point is well taken, Misha, and I agree that it might have been offered to draw out a  negative reaction. Which it did.
    
    Now... more to the point.. where is God, anyway? We have questions!

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    oxymoronposted 14 years ago

    It's not my intention to show a rude gesture. I did not know the Other Meaning of it until I read these arguements here. That photo is a piece of my portfolio. I changed my profile image just because I did not want that to be controversial. Believe me or not, that is the truth.
    
    Please, just close it. Chat on topic

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    knolyourselfposted 14 years ago

    I'm thinking that in polytheistic spiritualities there may be many gods and or one overriding god, that exist with us in non-physical form in the physical plane. Whereas monotheism generally would have it that God exists in a different dimension,
    accessible through religious figures, like Christ or a church or prayer depending.

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    Elteqayposted 14 years ago

    Elohim the Creator has placed a " Seed within mankind" in that Seed is the fullness of all that Elohim is.The Seed can lay dorment for years and only Elohim can germinate the Seed.Our opinion of how that takes place is just our opinion. Yahuwah Elohim has the protocal.
    
                                                                     Elteqay

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       mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       This is one viewpoint,there are basically three viewpoints where God and man is concerned and their merger or union.
       
       A- Only God can come in our life,its up to him,its been destined.
       b- Its up to us ,man to go towards God -seek him out.
       c- Its both ways as you go towards God-God comes towards to.
       
       All three are correct.

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          oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          It is confusing, Mohit

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          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          There is another, far more sensible and understandable viewpoint that you have neglected to mention

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             mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Please go ahead and do so.

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                Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                There is no such thing as god and all this discussion is moot.
                
                Simple huh?

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                   mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I thought as much you were going to say that.

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                      oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      So, Who created this World, Universe and everthing? Mark - Do you have an answer?

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         Yes I do. It was a natural occurrence. There was no creator involved.
                         
                         I do not need to fool myself that I am so important that some supreme being created me with a purpose in mind and then forgot to tell anyone what the purpose was so that we would kill each other over who's god is the "correct" one lol

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                            oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            I like your answer, especially the quoted part of it
                            
                            
                            
                            Thank you.

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                            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            You are both-very insignificant and very important.

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                               webismineposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               

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    topstuffposted 14 years ago

    One thing is obvious now He is certainly not in these forums.Im sure none could get any enlightenment from these threads.

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       weblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       So, HE is not OmniPresent??

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          mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Good one.It goes down to how you look at the situation,written these couplets,
          
          Either you think divine,
          Or you think like a swine.
          
          another one
          
          Either you can see the magic,
          Or your life is indeed tragic.

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    Elteqayposted 14 years ago

    Elohim is the Creator!! Look at the beauty around you or even the complexity of the body. Yes, it is true if you seek Elohim with your whole heart He will be found by you. Even the birds sing the Praises of Yah.

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       dishyumposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Where is Elohim now?!

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          Elteqayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

              Seek the God of Abraham,Isaac,and Jacob."Elohim will be found by you."

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          mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Meditate

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             Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Good day Mohit,
             
             I just wanted to ask you why your score is going down? who is controling that & based on what?
             
             thanx
             Mohammed

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                weblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Must be the HP Gods

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                   Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Bosses.
                   where are the rules.
                   not announced anywhere?
                   only money making?
                   
                   WaWa
                   (I have been bussier to know)
                   am I still writin Engliso

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                      weblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      I really don't get it. Can you simplify for me to understand what do you mean by that?

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                         Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         each of us is a god
                         strong, smart, kind, bad

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                            weblogposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            Ah..Thanks for it

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                               Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               do not mention it

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                mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Hi Mohammed,
                I do not write much,being a poet I tend to condense which is probably not a good thing
                to get a high score ,yet this is really not important,

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   It is important. I tried to explain this to you when you first joined. If your score is this low, all links you leave are tagged nofollow, including the ones in your hubs, which means the search engines do not give them any value.

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                   Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   I agree.
                   it is not.
                   whose scale is it?

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    Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years ago

    God is a social construct, and it resides in your head and the head of everyone else that believes in it.
    
    God is a meme, and in as much as God does good, God can be said to reside in the charitable actions of those that believe in it (it being God).
    
    God is the people who believe in God, Organized Religion is merely organized worship of the idea of God that makes up the primary motivational factor within a given God social construct.
    
    God does not literally exist as a separate entity with it's own intelligence and emotive functions.

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       Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I understand your idea of God Zarm & I like it.
       
       my question which I put in another thread earlier is.
       
       If God is only a thought in my head.then who put the first idea in my head when I have first started thinking?

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          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You mean you thought the idea of god up yourself? No one told you about the idea of god? You came to this conclusion in a vacuum?
          
          One day you thought to yourself, "Where did I come from? Hmmmm..... I don't know, therefore I must have been created by a god who is all-powerful and created everything. It is the only sensible explanation."

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             Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             do not go around the topic if you wanna say something useful please.
             
             my question is clear:
             
             
             Normal possible answers:
             *somebody
             *no body
             
             Atheism possible answers:
             *no body
             
             it that what you want to say
             
             atheism sir is a philosophy

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                Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                lol
                
                I was asking a simple question.
                
                Which actually needs an answer before it is possible to make sense of your question.
                
                The simple answer is that some one told you there was a god and it is then in your head.
                
                Atheism is not a philosophy, it is a lack of belief in a non-existent god.
                
                So - this is the question I am posing you:
                
                Did you think of god yourself or did some one put that idea in your head?

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                Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Answer:
                
                Your parents probably.
                
                lol.

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                   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   But that is the wrong answer The question is phrased to get a certain answer. And we both know what that answer is supposed to be

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                      Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      oh yeah mark.you know everything .
                      what's my underwear's colour?

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                         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         No, I do not know everything, but you are avoiding the question I posed you. And what I said is true - you are looking for a particular answer that fits your pre-existing beliefs and decisions.
                         
                         Grey with brown stains

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                            Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            give me a common ground.
                            if there isn't , then we can't have an argument.
                            
                            
                            
                            I don't think there is one with this color.

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                               Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               lol
                               
                               Well - answer me this question:
                               
                               Did you think of god yourself, or did some one tell you about god?
                               
                               And we have lots and lots of common ground. We both live on the same planet, we both breathe the same air, and we both have accounts at hubpages. What more could you want?

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                                  Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                  finally a good start with you man.
                                  honesty or we will be losing time.
                                  
                                  Answer:
                                  I don't know.
                                  I don't know which came first. Iwas so young then.

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                                     Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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                                     Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                     I was not aware we had had any bad starts
                                     
                                     So - in that case, which is more realistic to you:
                                     
                                     That you thought of god yourself at a very young age, or some one told you there was a god?
                                     
                                     Which one makes the most sense given the thoughts of young boys. I can only speak for myself, but I am pretty certain I was not interested in such questions when I was young.

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                                        Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                        may be you can't tell.
                                        
                                        it is a good idea to read about how thoughts have first started in our heads.
                                        
                                        before that , we could say that many and not all thoughts have come from our parents , so where are the others have come from?
                                        
                                        if all thoughts come from parents and other environmental or experiemental effects then my last assumption is wrong.

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                                           Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                           I guess it depends on the thought. There is a big difference between, "I am cold, I need to get some where warm," and "I wonder where I come from - it must have been a god created me."

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                                              Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                              what was first thought ever?

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                                                 Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                 
                                                 
                                                 I would go with - how do I get food and shelter?

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                                                    Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                    what about.
                                                    
                                                    what am I?
                                                    
                                                    

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                                                       Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                       Do you think that would come before a need for food and shelter?

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                                                          mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                          This will come for many very late in life, many have parents who do their bit when we are young,so these questions do not arise at an early stage in life.

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                                                             Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                             may be first thoughts we had were to discover our feelings & self-response.
                                                             so they were independent.

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                                                          Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                          I don't know.
                                                          
                                                          what are the factors. what controls this.
                                                          
                                                          nothing.
                                                          
                                                          it could be eaither in all cases.

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                                                             Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                             Now you are just hedging to get back to the answer that you want.
                                                             
                                                             Seriously - you cannot ask your question until you have food and shelter.
                                                             
                                                             Then you can ask this question.

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                                                                Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                reasonable. similar to what I said earlier that first thoughts were reactions to hunger & cold.
                                                                
                                                                
                                                                
                                                                I think you didn't get my point.
                                                                I meant to said that either thought could the first one because we don't know exactly the nature of the first thinking cell in our heads.
                                                                chance could be anything.
                                                                
                                                                otherwise, you principles should be called as hungerism & colism or something with a fixed rule.

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                                                                   Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

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                                                                   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                   I do get your point.
                                                                   
                                                                   And this is where we diverge - I am 100% certain that the first thought I would have if I awoke on a desert island, alone and un-educated would be - "How do I get food and shelter?"
                                                                   
                                                                   But you want an answer that is, "Well, here I am, where did I come from? It must have been god. There is no other explanation. Who cares about food and shelter."
                                                                   
                                                                   Zarm - I know. But I am indefatigable......

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                                                                      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                      We have a saying in India that every grain of rice has the person who is going to eat it ,that persons name on it.
                                                                      a couplet.
                                                                      More than welcome are you indeed,
                                                                      God decides who,where ,what and how much one shall feed.

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                                                                         Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                         What about the rice that no one eats? 
                                                                         
                                                                         Stupidity may be ubiquitous but intelligence is hardly omniscient.

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                                                                            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                            Its all destined by a greater force or power called God.Think about a simple cup of tea you have. Where did the leaves come from,how many months or years of cultivation,the water is from where,the sugar?The combination is what you are having at this moment .Drop the ego and think,contemplate then you will see so much. :

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                                                                               mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                               a couplet,
                                                                               You are constantly looking after me,
                                                                               That is why now I am having this tea 0

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                                                                               Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                               I don't need to drop the ego to contemplate, nor do I need to drop the ego in order to "see it".
                                                                               
                                                                               All I need to do is accept there is a God, which I will not, because you have not demonstrated that things as they are require a vast intelligence in order to exist at all.
                                                                               
                                                                               I don't see a need for intelligence, and you are certainly not convincing me of an omniscient intelligence with your hopelessly condescending stupidity.
                                                                               
                                                                               The reality of what you are asking me to do is to prefer your way of interpreting reality over my own, that has nothing to do with a "God" that is vastly more capable than you or I.  You are wanting me to "drop my ego" so that your interpretation of reality comes out on top.
                                                                               
                                                                               I won't yield to you.
                                                                               
                                                                               If there were such a "God" you wouldn't need to take this approach, he/she/it could do it themselves.
                                                                               
                                                                               As is evidenced by the fact that you are doing it right now.
                                                                               
                                                                               Wait, your not "God" though, so I think your in a bit of a pickle especially considering the means your own nature provides you with.

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                                                                                  mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                                  Yield to yourself not me. If you drop your ego you will understand. If you cannot see the intelligence all around you then you lose out and not me.Your time has yet to come.I am called a genius by many and have proved it with my book.You are a baby.

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                                                                                     mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                                     You call a poet ,philosopher stupid,what are you the height of stupidity and dumbness.

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                                                                                     Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                                     Egomaniac?
                                                                                     
                                                                                     Possibly.
                                                                                     
                                                                                     Delusional?
                                                                                     
                                                                                     Definitely.
                                                                                     
                                                                                     Genius?
                                                                                     
                                                                                     In your own mind, yes.
                                                                                     
                                                                                     As far as other people are concerned:
                                                                                     
                                                                                     Not a chance in hell.

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                                                                                        mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                                        According to you there is a person who has written a book got ranked 1 in Inspirational and Religious Poetry.3 in Poetry ,2 in Philosophy-Religious and 2 in spiritualism is stupid and you are the one who is intelligent

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                                                                                           mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                                           And you come on a religious forum and say it

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                                                                                              Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                                              I come on the religion forums because I know the serious damage that religion can inflict, I also know the very traumatic damage that cults can and do inflict every single day.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              I want to help people to see that perhaps there is another way of looking at reality that doesn't step over peoples' dead bodies to get there, and that respects the ability of people to have their differences and impulses.  Another way of looking at reality that is not hell bent on torturing and cutting the throats of those that disagree on minor issues(and believers have done this when they can get away with it, just look at history).  The baptists have a joke they pass around, and I know they are only joking, but it reflects a really sad reality that is not present in the atheist/agnostic/freethinker community.  Atheist/Agnostic/freethinkers will not cut each others' throats or torture each other over minor differences of what they think about metaphysical realities or philosophy, however believers have done this in the past and they keep doing it.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              That other way of looking at reality calls for more skepticism, whether you wind up continuing to believe in God or not, or claim that you just don't know for sure.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              I have been traumatized multiple times by being force fed religious dogma with no way or no how to defend myself, how many times have you been traumatized by people that have forced you to say (as a creed), "I don't think there is a God" or "I don't know for sure there is a God" or "We don't know enough to conclude there is a God" or "There simply isn't enough evidence to conclude there is a God of the sort those people believe in"?  Those statements are all incoherent in and of themselves, but they reflect a reality, and that is that not one person has ever been murdered in the name of "No God" or "I am not sure there is a God" as a creed.  Where is the Sunday school of atheists that you were forced to go to against your will as a child in order to learn the doctrine of "No God".  Zero isn't a doctrine, it is a concept.  There are plenty of people that have died and will die yelling such incoherent things as "Allah Akbar" or "Viva La Cristo Rey".  I have yet to read of one instance of someone dieing and yelling "THERE IS NO GOD", or "FOR THE VOID", or "FOR THE UN GOD". Hmm, I wonder why that is?  There are probably even people that have died yelling "FOR SATAN!", but not one atheist or agnostic dies for their "beliefs" although many have died as a result of their disbelief being criminalized by non believers and used to dehumanize them.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              If any nonbeliever ever killed someone it wouldn't be because they doctrinally disagree and feel that that person is a threat to the public order or to public welfare just because they disagree with them, it would be because they were traumatized by believers and they want to protect themselves or get even.  It is a reaction to enforced cruelty that is imposed by delusional believers, it is not a creed that must be upheld no matter what.  It is not a creed at all as a matter of fact.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              "I don't believe in God" can hardly be a creed, because it is hardly a coherent statement, and therein lies the problem.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              Atheism and agnosticism is NO CREED, we of all people are willing and ready to believe in a "God" if such evidence presents itself without the outside contamination of religious priestcraft or spiritual "persuasion" by person(s) being present.  Should such a God contact us and every other person on the planet, all at the same time and tell us things that only we know, well that would be a start (at least for me).
                                                                                              
                                                                                              I cannot say the same emphasis is put on believing in other forms of "God" by religious believers.  Christians do not go to great pains claiming that they want to believe in Allah if only there was proof and that they would welcome him with open arms, and Muslims do not do this in regards the X-tian "God" because it would be blasphemy as well.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              No, I think skepticism is healthy, because religious dogma (and the resulting blasphemy) is not based in reason anymore than scientific dogma, or political dogma (like communism), or dogma about how great you are, or any other form of "dogma" period.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              Dogma is bad, and believing dogma without any conclusive evidence hurts not only you, but those around you and is irresponsible and immature.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              Understanding my interpretation of reality would require you to admit that you might be wrong, but the emphasis I put on things is using your own reason to figure out if you are wrong or not.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              It is not faith that you need, it is skepticism that you need (being philosophically street smart).
                                                                                              
                                                                                              Faith and all it's various multiple outs is a very shifty foundation, and it does not stand up to scrutiny.  You can will yourself to ignore mountains and volumes of logical and scientific evidence that might discredit a particular form of occultic knowledge (whether it is "God" or some other paranormal thing), but that doesn't change the fact that those things are still there.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              I would love to believe in some occultic power or knowledge such as Jesus or a spirit world, who wouldn't love the idea of Heaven?  There simply is NOT enough proof for these things to be substantiated, and the proof that allegedly does exist is not conclusive, you have to believe in it before you can consider it proof.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              That is like having to believe a sugar pill is medicine in order for it to help you, and I am not interested in placebo effects when it comes to something as deadly serious as "salvation" or "God" or even just "Zeus" or "Jesus" or Allah".
                                                                                              
                                                                                              It is such a sell, there is no substance, take away faith and you are left with less than nothing.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              On the other hand, there is no "eternal" advantage or "enduring spiritual" advantage to coming to the conclusion that occult concepts like "God" or "Spirituality" are fraudulent.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              There is no such advantage.  However one can be free of such dogmatic enslavement if one does come to such a conclusion, for the remainder of one's life (which is admittedly a very short time).
                                                                                              
                                                                                              In the way of rewards there are far less to disbelief than there are to the alleged rewards of belief (assuming they were true somehow), because belief can be constructed to contend something whereas disbelief is merely stopping the belief in something.  Atheism or agnosticism guarantees no amazing or marvelous rewards that give you things like "eternal bliss".  On the contrary, disbelief in occult knowledge, ("God" and other things) does not guarantee anything.  You could wake up one day and get run over by a Mack truck on the way to work and their would be no promise of anything, just room temperature and non existence (and that is not a promise so much as it is an observed fact).
                                                                                              
                                                                                              I can believe in Santa, and I did as a child.  When I found out through the kids at school that Santa did not exist I was very angry with my parents, and now there is not nearly the same level of marvel and wonder and amazement come X-mas time.  There is not nearly that special magical feeling that I once had, but I am over it.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              It is the same with X-tianity, and the rewards of disbelief and rejection of something that is profoundly irrational does not carry the same rewards as belief and the acceptance of that same profoundly irrational thing.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              If I believed in Jesus I would allegedly have eternity (as I would keep the faith and not slide in my behavior), if I do not believe in Jesus then I have nothing but oblivion on the horizon, and oblivion is not something you look forward to everyday when you wakeup.
                                                                                              
                                                                                              It is a rather dismal and dark reality that I will cease to exist once I am dead, and I would argue it is too great a pill to swallow for many believers.  It is too great a pill to swallow because it makes a lie out of the faith they have believed for so long and believed so hard and instead replaces it with something they have absolutely no control over (X-tians, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Zoroastrians, New Agers).  The observed reality that I will cease to exist someday is devastating to my will to survive, it is not encouraging or "enlightening" and it sure as hell does not breed "hope in eternal life".
                                                                                              
                                                                                              I contend that as dark and dismal as that reality is, that is what is indicated by the evidence at hand (though perhaps that is not indeed the case, but I don't see anything to indicate that non existence is not the case).
                                                                                              
                                                                                              It is like having more garlic than butter in your meal, it tastes more bitter but it is better for you.  Alternatively one could have more butter than garlic and while it may taste better to the palate, it will be less healthier in the long run.  That is how I view dogma vs flexible patterns of thinking.  The dogma is fixed and immovable, and while it may seem to be rock solid the reality (as I perceive it), is that it is re-enforced by faith and not by reason, thus making it a rock solid illusion.

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                                                                                                 mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                                                 Simply put you have got Religions all wrong.One wrotten apple here does not spoil the apple.These higher truths have existed for a long time and now and then man is claiming enlightenment or coming across the source,God the Light. A Religious person is peacefull and does not have anything against anyone elses religion as all speak of the Light, a higher  supreme intelligence. Man,this universe is one and love and peace.

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                                                                      Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                      I meant the first thought could be anything depending on first cell thinking mechanism.
                                                                      hunger & cold feelings overcame any other feeling since they are vital to you.
                                                                      but who said that imoprtant things are always reflect the rules.?

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                                                                Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                He is just playing a game with you Mark.
                                                                
                                                                IMHO
                                                                
                                                                He wants to see how many times he can get you to race around his race track of circular logic for his own smug self satisfaction.
                                                                
                                                                I seriously doubt he gives one iota about any real introspection as regards his "question".

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                                                                   Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                   doubt is vital especially when you don't communicate with eyes.
                                                                   
                                                                   seriously, I don't know why exactly I am doing this except:
                                                                   *practcing English
                                                                   *knowing how much my brain has been damaged

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                                                                      Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                      I could be doing it for self satisfaction but in synchronous with being fair.
                                                                      is that wrong?

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                                                       mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                       Who or what am I and why am I here are thoughts for the contemplative ones and not the atheists.

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                                                          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                          lol
                                                          
                                                          Once again you demonstrate your ignorance and lack of regard for others.
                                                          
                                                          You do not need to believe in god to ask this question.
                                                          
                                                          We just arrived at different answers.

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                                                             mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                             Sorry its the truth.An atheist has too much ego.

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                                                                mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                Rather he runs away beacause he doesnt have the answers.So simply say there is no God and get on with ones life.

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                                                                   Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                   lol - you are the one with the ego sunshine.
                                                                   
                                                                   And do you see me running away?
                                                                   
                                                                   The truth is you are worthless and believing in a god makes you feel special. Good for you. Why do you need to inflict it on others? Ego? Poetry book to sell?

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                                                                      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                      Well been ranked as the highest ranked religious poet and inspirational poet till date yet I say God is great, no ego there.  :0 At least I inspire people- I like it,what about you

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                                                                         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                         And do you see me running away?
                                                                         You havent found God so insist he doesnt exist,yes you are running away from meditation and contemplation. from God.

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                                                                         Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                         No ego
                                                                         
                                                                         You inspire people
                                                                         
                                                                         I inspire them to think for themselves.
                                                                         
                                                                         But I guess that doesn't count huh?

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                                                                            mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                            To think God desnt exist, hhahahahahhahahahhhahahh
                                                                            I inspire humans to find God

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                                                                               mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                               Well have been ranked 1in inspirational poetry books till date on Best Book Buys from 3,749 books at 2 is a 14th century Chinese hermit.You will not be able to understand me now.
                                                                               
                                                                               Can you dream of doing such a thing

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                                                                      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                      Yes I do have an ego where it comes to the adamant human and I have said this before.This being a religious forum and me being a religious poet/philosopher I am here to share and gain knowledge from likeminded people,I am hungry,very hungry for knowledge after being enlightened not closed like you.And its poetry,spirituality and philosophy of the highest order but then you dont have any regard or respect for these topis.

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                                                                Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                                it is thought that we could do & know everthing.
                                                                we can analyse everything with limited minds.

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                                                    mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                                    What you were born all alone?

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                         mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                          

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                   Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   how could they ? why.
                   
                   I would be living in piece rightnow without thinking if they didn't do that.
                   
                   just me.no thoughts .lol

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                   dingdongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   Yes, 99.9%

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                      Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      could ya put some more nines.please

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                         dingdongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         I'm too busy to do that
                         
                         Well, if not your parents...then was it your science teacher?

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                            Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                            I am sorry , mam didn't attend your school.
                            she doesn't speak English.
                            
                            
                            then don't.
                            I have time to laugh

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                               dingdongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                               Now, the question is about God or Science or English?

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                                  Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                  which question?

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                                     dingdongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                     Hmmm....The main question is already there on thread title.
                                     
                                     My question is: Did you think of god yourself, or did some one tell you about Him?

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                                        Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                        in what view you think this question is important.

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                                           dingdongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                           If that is your question to me...
                                           
                                           My answer: I just don't care
                                           
                                           Now, you are free to discuss with Mark, Mohit and all. I'm leaving

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                                              Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                              
                                              
                                              I guess I don't care that you don't care & bye.

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                      mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      My parents told me and I did not believe them.Then I saw God for myself and now I know he exists.

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                         Eng.Mposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                         good answer
                         
                         thanx

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          mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Good you are cntemplating and that too correctly.Where are your thoughts,dreams coming from?God exists-thats what all religions are about.

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             mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             God is the source of all.

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    dingdongposted 14 years ago

    Nature is God

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       mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yes there is no difference in one way-nature is a part of God.

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          dingdongposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          By the way, I like your Avatar/Profile image

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             mohitmisraposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Thank you

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    Eng.Mposted 14 years ago

    Peace

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    topstuffposted 14 years ago

    Again i say,not in the forums here.Who doesnt believe Him today was a believer early days.

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       Zarm Nefilinposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Many people are raised atheist/agnostic and given an open ended option to believe if they really want to (by their parents).
       
       So this is hardly a valid point your making.

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    sandra rinckposted 14 years ago

    You sound angry Zarm, and you should be, you have every right to be and I know how that feels.  Not to the extent of what you have been through, but it was hard going through the initial shock of what I read in the Bible and what was really going on. 
    
    It is messed up however, I wouldn't go to the extent of saying that it is all because of religion etc.  Obviously you are smart enough to know that with or without religion, death, murder, starvation etc. would still happen. 
    
    When you first joined HP, you were a lot nicer to me because I am pretty fascinated with science and the Universe and all that stuff, then upon a disagreement, your attitude shifted.  It just seems (and I only say seems) like you really dispise anyone who believes in God, but you don't seem to care that for the "other" good people out there who do believe in God and really do try to do good things with their life and others, that you are not saving them from the dogma associated with relgion. 
    
    You can't save them, they cannot save you from anything.  If a person really believes in God and does actually care, then they will take the time to go and find out for themselves what is going on in the world. 
    
    Essentially, if you can follow me on this, you are doing the same thing.  An ignorant christian preaches without knowlege, or speaks verses and has no idea what it means, or has maybe read just a portion of the Bible. 
    
    Maybe they never thought about looking for the original meanings of the words, maybe they got suckered into the "dogma" (which I do no disagree with you on) and figure all is good no matter what because accepting Jesus will save them from Hell so they have free riegn to do whateve they want and will be forgiven.  Who knows....really. 
    
    I guess what I am trying to say is,  if you wanted to teach people that it is a bunch of bologna, then why wouldn't you use what they read to prove to them that it is a bunch of crap.  For instance,
    
    There is a place called Hell, it actually exist, but what is it?  It literally means the grave.  So those people out there saying, everyone goes to Hell, well yeah, everyone is going to die.  And you know the rest I am sure, about Sheol and Hades etc. That the term hell fire came because back then they would keep a fire lit and burn the dead bodies.  The eternal Hell.  Like being cremated. 
    
    So, you could do a lot better then arguing back and forth with people about why they are idiots for believiing in God because it doesn't do you or anyone else any justice and it just upsets people. 
    
    Although on the other hand, I do tend to agree with the people that are saying, "why are you on a religion forum if you don't desire to learn anything about relgion?" 
    
    Peoples religious affiliations or beliefs are not for you to decide whether it is good or not because you aren't them, you don't know how they feel.  You can have some understanding, but because you have given up the belief in God, then you don't know why people still hold on even if they know that what is being done in the "name" of God, (name being just a name like CHeech Marin) is not true. 
    
    You used Mark's line, that there is a better way, and there is, and I know Mark was using the Bible to try to show people why is is BS, but isn't verry effective because not even Mark knows why people hold on, and it is impossible for anyone to know how every single person in the world feels about any one thing. 
    
    Maybe you would be better at it.    Then again, you might be thinking that I am trying to push my belief on you or something, but just like other people have said many times before on this forum.  "your blind to the othe side".  Which I can't see that you would be, just pissed off and bent, or upset about what has happened to you and what you see going on.
    
    I suppose all I am saying is that I do take it personally when people point the finger.  We are all part of the problem as well as the solution. 
    
    

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    shinujohn2008posted 14 years ago

    In Hub Pages, Busy Making Hubs

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       oxymoronposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Oh GOD

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