God Does Not answer Prayers

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thirdmilleniumposted 14 years ago
If you are

a liar

a womanizer

given to coveting others' things

a cheat

a glutton

given to anger

sloth

money-minded

jealous

an ingrate

neglecting to help where you can help

having roving eyes

Is there anyone who is not one of these? Honestly?

Now you know why God does not answer your prayers, in fact almost no body has his prayers answered. The good things that happen to you are not because you prayed. How do the atheists and agnostics get them then?

How do those who do not know the true God and pray to what they think is God/Gods get their blessings?

God does not ANSWER prayers. Actually, if you are good in God's eyes, you do not even have to pray to him. He will keep dispatching his blessings to you. If you looka sinner in His eyes, no matter how much you pray or how long you pray, He will not answer. And, if you find your wishes fulfilled, it is in spite of your prayers; not because of them!

Read what Jesus says about "asking" God to give you in Mathew 6;30 - 33:

Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, [shall he] not much more [clothe] you, O ye of little faith?

Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

But SEEK YE KINGDOM OF GOD, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

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Unless you seek kingdom of God, your prayers will not be answered, no matter how pious you consider you are.
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God answers all prayers ...even those who still consider themselves as sinners on your list and those you forgot to include.
  
  Even those who consider themselves as pious, religious, children of God...
  
  God see all men as the same and answers all without favor..
  
  Nevertheless the realisation of an answered prayer occurs to only to those who ask with a single mind with expectation also of a single mind...
  
  This is the only rule of God...
  
  Singleness of mind come by the knowledge of Truth and is called Faith.... this faith is unlike the faith of religion.
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  thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Please put your statement to a simple test: Pray daily for 4 hours fervently for something that would be out-of-ordinary but very legitimate. Say, a prize in a lottery to pay off your debts, if you have them; or, to help UNHCR or something.
  I can only warn you not to expect anything from God, not a cent.
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Like i said answers to prayer comes from knowledge not ignorance...
  So where there is a test there is still ignorance.
  
  Surely you do not quite understand the faith which comes by a singlesness of mind...thus your kind of prayer are doom to fail from the very beginning just by your double mindedness in your approach.
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  thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whether you are single-minded in your prayers or not, if you are one of those mentioned in the description above, you answers will not be answered.
  
  You can not brow-beat God by feigning faith or even by being true in your faith. Faith bereft of goodness means nothing to God.
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What can I say then...then to you prayers will NEVER be answered....
  
  I know different...
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  thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you mean, then, that you can do whatever you want irrespective of whether it has God's concurrence or not but be true in your faith (if this is at all possible) and reap the benefits of God's benevolence?
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  kessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  For a man to be outside of the will of God he needs to outside of the universe..which is impossible ofcourse.
  
  The difference between the son of God and the other is this...
  
  Their knowledge of their Father...
  
  Knowledge of the Father come by a way of thinking..this way gives the Sons a single mind which is the prerequiste of Faith...
  
  So by the knowledge of the Father you develop faith which direct all your works , which are all within the will of The Father.
  
  So you see the difference between a sinner and a Son is Knowledge of the Father and the Father is Truth.
  
  And those without Knowledge of the Father cannot develop a singlesness of mind nor Faith.....
  
  That is the long and short of everything is this ....
  
  God has given all things unto all men.. but those who realises this in order to receives these things, are those who are willing to put on the mind of Christ.
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  jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  so repeat the test after the thing you propose will the prayers be answered then?
  will the debts go off or you win the lottery??
  wishful thinking if you think prayers can solve your problems!!!
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  thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, that is exactly what I mean
  Prayers are not answers to your problems
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  3rdm The scripture says:
  
  You have not because you ask not AND you receive not because you ask AMISS James 4:2 & 3
  
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  Although, God will hear the prayer of ANYONE who comes to Him in repentance to receive His Son Jesus, God has only obligated Himself to hear those who have come to Him in FAITH and in the NAME of His son Jesus. God on a regular basis hears and answers the prayers of those who have life from His Son Jesus, in other words, those who are His children. ( Contrary to many's belief, all men are NOT the children of God. As many as RECEIVE Christ, THEY are the sons of God John 1:12 ) We MUST be born from above by the Spirit. This is because without that life you cannot UNDERSTAND the things required, not the process of having your prayers or needs met and inevitably as stated in the above scriptures, you WILL pray amiss. So first step is to receive Christ into your life and become a child of God.
  
  1Jn 5:12 Whoever has the Son has life, but whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life.
  1Jn 5:13 I write this letter to you who believe in the Son of God. I write so that you will know that you have eternal life now.
  1Jn 5:14 We can come to God with no doubts. This means that when we ask God for things (and those things agree with what God wants for us), God cares about what we say.
  1Jn 5:15 He listens to us every time we ask Him. So we KNOW that He gives us whatever we ask from Him.
  
  This shows us that there are prerequisites to prayer. God is not obligated to answer everyone's prayer. He that comes to God must believe that He is AND that HE is a REWARDER of those that DILIGENTLY seek Him. Heb. 11:6
  
  The scriptures lay out for us what those prerequisites are but the main two are that you must be a child of God by faith in His Son Jesus Christ and you must BELIEVE that when you come to Him He hears you and WILL give you what you ask for.
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  thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I must say I agree with you but with a rider: God does not grant your requests for material things at all. He is not at all concerned with them.
  
  That is why Jesus says "seek kingdom of God and He will give you the things you need. He knows what to give without your having to ask him' (paraphrased from the scriptures quoted above.)
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  Shakeel Shavab CKposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dear friends... Actualy God answers every prayers and he loves those who prayers to him. But the reward for the prayer will some times get quickly, some times get after some period and for some people it will be at netherworld. If the God answers everyone in realtime, there won't be any meaning for the life and it is impossible to live well. God only created us for praying to him and praising him and every one have to wait till the end of the world for the result.
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  jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  try another experiment
  take a paperweight and pray to it just as it is god,
  you will be surprised that the results are all the same
  
  answer to any prayer is the same, irrespective of the one you pray to and irrespective the prayer you make- b]yes, no or wait[/b]
  the believers explain by adding a little nonsense to make it appealing-that "god knows what is best for you"
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you see, that's the problem in a nutshell. For example, the rewards of prayer I've read right here on these forums were things such as trips for kids to Disneyland while on the flip side, tens of thousands of starving children are sent to the netherworld for lack of morsel of food.
  
  If, as you say, "God answers every prayers" then are the answers for the children a resounding, "NO FOOD FOR YOU!"??
  
  Then, why do we have brains? They clearly serve no purpose whatsoever if praying and praising is all we have to do.
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzedad, I agree we are blessed to have brains and we certainly SHOULD USE them!! BUT here I go with a BUT... IF ALL it took was using our brains then WHY are there still "tens of thousands of starving children?"
  
  There is much more to the dilemas of life than just using our brains. We know that often times it is MEN using their BRAINS selfishly that CAUSE the dilema of starving children. These are not men whose hearts are submitted to God's way.
  
  And lest you think I do not realize that there are MANY religions that cause people to have bad or warped MINDS, I want to assure you that I do know this BUT the scriptures say the UNDERLYING root of ALL evil is the LOVE of MONEY. Now mind you, I am not saying that MONEY is the ROOT of all evil but the LOVE of money. The scriptures say that MONEY answers ALL things and we know that that is true. IF the monies that have been given and allocated for the purpose of feeding the hungry and needy peoples of the world were ALLOWED to GET THROUGH to them, then the issue of children starving to death would be put to an end. We know this is true, so rather than blame GOD for NOT hearing the prayers of the hungry (and we don't even know if they DO pray or even know that there IS a God to pray to but let's leave that aside for now) let us blame those who are truly responsible for it. MEN with BRAINS. Conniving, cunning, selfish, greedy MEN (people) with BRAINS. The ONLY conclusion I can make is that we NEED God to intervene in the affairs of men. But we need to understand that HE gave man the dominion and authority over the earth. He only intervenes WHEN a man comes to Him in faith and in Jesus' name (again there is much more to this than just a simple explanation but for brevity's sake I will say that much) He is willing and wanting to help but He will not step over our authority here on the earth.
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  3M I agree, HOW and WHAT we seek is one of those prerequisites, but lest others here might think I am trying to "explain away" or "make excuses" why a prayer is NOT answered, I want to further state that I DO BELIEVE that God DOES answer prayers HERE IN THE NOW. I also, believe that it is an erroneous teaching in some faiths that God does not answer material needs. The scriptures tell us that God provides ALL our needs according to His riches in glory, by Christ Jesus. ( I will always refer to the scriptures for my beliefs because I believe that is the basis on which we find the principles and understandings of God and His provisions for us) Through out the scriptures we see many incidences of God providing for His people material things. Jesus taught very definitley about it, also. What has happened is that people have taken the cautions in the scriptures, about having a right attitude and not TRUSTING in certain riches, and taught and convinced themselves that GOD does not want us to have material things. The truth is without material things i.e. MONEY we could not help the poor as we are to. God told Abraham, I will BLESS you and MAKE YOU A BLESSING! We can't BE a blessing IF we are poor ourselves. That's just ludicrous. And as BEELZEDAD pointed out about people dying... If God's people were more in tune with the BLESSINGS of God perhaps there would be LESS and LESS people dying of hunger. I believe it is GOD's INTENT to BLESS His people and MAKE THEM a BLESSING. We need to change our false and foolish piety of thinking that we must be poor to be humble. The truth is we must be humble in attitude whether poor OR rich and obey and believe God. It is HUMBLE to leave our own philosophies or way of thinking and CHANGE OUR MINDS to HIS way of thinking. Religion is leaving God's way and doing things OUR way. TRUE Christianity is leaving OUR way and doing it GOD's way ONLY. Once again this subject is too great to touch on in one comment but it IS a REALITY and GOD DOES answer prayer but we MUST come HIS way and it is NOT TOO HARD to do it HIS way. It is so much better, wiser, etc. etc. HIS way are HIGHER than our ways. HIS thoughts are HIGHER than our thoughts.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Had it not occurred to you that if what you say is true that "god provides ALL our needs and DOES answer prayers HERE IN THE NOW" that there would be no poor or starving people?
  
  Are you saying their prayers are NOT answered or is the answer they are receiving from god a resounding "NO SOUP FOR YOU!" ??
  
  You seem to be contradicting yourself.
  
  Again, this appears to contradict what you just said earlier, and I shall repeat and bold:
  
  "god provides ALL our needs and DOES answer prayers HERE IN THE NOW"
  
  Therefore, the only other conclusion I can reach from your post is that the starving need to get in tune with god? Is that it? It's all about getting in tune to get some food?
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know from just a few posts back and forth it may seem that way but I hope to be able to explain it more and more as we talk about this. That is, IF you would like to. )
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  On this point, I would also like to say that you "clipped" a vital part of the scripture which I stated above. God provides all our needs accoring to His riches in glory BY CHRIST JESUS. I know some might not like that part of it but in truth if you are to say what I am saying was contradictory, you must understand that I am always speaking from the vantage point of what the scriptures teach and especially in regards to the Christian perspective. You see, I believe according to the scriptures that God has sent Jesus Christ to restore to us all the provinsions that were stripped from man when Adam committed "high treason" so to speak in the garden of Eden. When God created man He gave MAN (mankind is what I mean here) dominion over the earth. It was man's place to watch over it and subdue it and replenish it. When Adam trusted satan's word ABOVE God's and ate of the fruit of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil he sold out mankind and LOST out to satan. Satan then, became the god of this world and man lost his dominion. Long story short, Jesus came and defeated satan and TOOK IT BACK. ALL power and authority was in turn, given unto JESUS. NOW.... in HIS name, WE can take back that same authority and power in our own lives and sometimes in the lives of others. God's PROVISIONS are all done THROUGH Jesus. Jesus is the DOOR to ALL that God has for mankind. He is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE. NO MAN comes to the Father BUT by Him. Jesus said, in the past you didn't go to the Father but NOW in MY name you can ask it it will be given to you from my Father in heaven. The PROVISION is IN Jesus Christ. If people try to come some OTHER way, they won't get there. ANY PERSON can come but they MUST come this WAY. He's the ONE that provided it and bought and paid for it by HIS death on the cross and GOD resurrected Him from the dead as HIS stamp of approval on it. It's not hard it just that it is ONE way and not many. It's just that it is a PARTICULAR way and not VARIOUS ways. SIMPLE but DEFINED!! If one can work with THAT, then one can have it all!!!
  
  So now when I say something please understand that this is the place where I am coming from.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, I already know where you're coming from, that isn't the point. You contradicted yourself and did nothing to explain it.
  
  Repeating the sermon and the contradiction over again does not explain the contradiction.
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did answer it but let me try to explain it a little differently. When I said God provides all our needs by Christ Jesus, I was saying and meaning that He provides our needs when we come to Him in Christ's name as Christians. I tried to explain that God is not obligated to just pour out His provisions on people because they have a need. If He did that, obviously there would never be any more needs in the world because He would just pour out the provision and it would be met. Most people think God is up there either handing out blessings or ready to jump on us whenever we do something wrong... both concepts are wrong. God is not at OUR disposal but just the opposite. We MUST come HIS way and THEN, and only then, do we posture ourselves for His blessings or provision. As I said, there are PREREQUISITES to receive His provisions. If we don't follow them we don't get them. I will clarify this by saying that the scriptures tell us that God is good to all and that the "rain falls upon the just and the unjust" but that only means that He is not going to keep things good happening to the "unjust", or those who do not follow Him. He'll still allow the rain to fall on them and their crops but to get in on His specific promises you have to come His way and that way is through Jesus Christ. We have to enter into the Door before He will provide for them. That's as clear as I can make it.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, what you're saying is that starving children do not meet all the prerequisites for food? Since when does a child of 4 or 6 years old have any concept of the prerequisites you claim? And, why do children need prerequisites just to get a morsel of food from your god? Of course, many of those children might indeed have all the prerequisites but still get no food.
  
  So, starving children are the "unjust" simply because they are children with very little understanding of the world around them who only pray for a morsel of food.
  
  Oh yes, you have made it quite clear. Your god is as evil as any entity could be, by denying food to small children, of which tens of thousands die daily simply because he has decided that only those who meet YOUR specific prerequisites are allowed to have food.
  
  Of course, that tall tale is about as ridiculous as your previous sermons and only adds further to the contradictions. What about those who have nothing to do with your Jesus, yet are well fed? What about those who are devout Christians but still get no food?
  
  You appear to be in a serious denial of reality here.
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  passingthewordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God does answer pray, but he is not going to answer a pray that will hurt you in the long run. What could happens to people that win the lotto (not all of them) they might think they don't need God any more. The money might lead them away from God. That is what it is saying in Matt 16:26 What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?
  A lot of times God answers pray by opening our mind. By reading the bible a lot of the answers are in there. He has given us the tools, the knowledge, the common sense to overcome and get our prays answered. What can you pray for. finances, consoling, strength, you can pray for anything. Pray is also to just communicate with God. Just to talk to him tell him you love him. when i pray to God and i tell him i love him, he answers me. I know this because i feel the holy spirit in me just comforting me and giving me the strength to fight another day. even though i sin.
  Find God he will show you what you are looking for. Don't be angry. my biggest battle is I am angry at being lied to all my life (long story) . I now know the true God and he is teaching me how to handle this anger. even though i fall (a lot) but I have Jesus that died in order for me to be forgiven. Jesus tells us to forgive others 7 times 70. that is 490 times. and that is how many time Jesus is willing to forgive us. as long as we are sincere in our hearts.
  God bless and good luck to you.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What happens when starving children get fed?
  
  Oooh, AWFUL things!
  
  That must be why your gods don't answer their prayers.
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  passingthewordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well God blessed us with jobs and a little money to help. Are you helping. I sponsor kids and i am sure that these kids are getting their prays answered. Why are they getting feed, like i said before God has blessed me and now i bless others. Are you blessing others, are you feeding the starving kids. Hope you are.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That makes no sense whatsoever. You are saying that god blessed you with money, and you are giving it to the starving. Why doesn't your god bless the starving and they can give you money? Or, why doesn't he just bless you and the starving with money?
  
  What makes you superior to them? Do you actually believe the starving want to be charity cases and take your money?
  
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  passingthewordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wow do you believe in a God. Because it sounds like your mad at Him.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Why didn't you answer the questions? There is no reason to focus on me personally, this is a discussion forum, are you here to discuss? If so, please answer my questions as you have presented some serious contradictions.
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  passingthewordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We blame everything on God. He gave us a Earth that we can live and is able to feed all of us in this world. but what have we done? We pollute it we over price food and keep it away from people.
  how is that God's fault? Its funny that those that don't believe in God blame him and hate him.
  what is so wrong about believing In God? What is so wrong about Praying
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't answer my questions, do you expect me to answer yours?
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  passingthewordposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Do you read the bible? Because I will answer your question using scripture when i get your response . and like i said before he has provided for us all he has given us this earth wheat corn fish est. but like i said man keeps it away from them. or people wont help themselves. God will only do so much we have to do our part.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, along with other scriptures of other religions. Have you read any other scriptures other than the bible?
  
  That is entirely false as countries peoples and leaders are begging the world for food and praying to your god to feed them. There's really no reason to be dishonest about that just to support your beliefs.
  
  That's not what Christians claim at all, they claim their gods provide everything for them. Again, no need to be dishonest about that.
  
  And again, you did not answer my questions.
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  Woman Of Courageposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  passingtheword, Odd how those who whine about God not feeding the starving people are not doing anything to help themselves. It has been explained multiple times in these forums that God works through the people, but some refuse to acknowledge that.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If god provides for you, why doesn't he provide for others? Why should he provide for you and then you provide for others, that makes absolutely no sense. Why can't he instead provide for others and they provide for you? Wouldn't that be a better scenario, as it would allow you to walk in their shoes, if they had any shoes to wear, that is...
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Even if the prayers are for food, god answers with an emphatic, "NO SOUP FOR YOU!"
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did God not answer your prayers when you were at rock bottom?
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is that what god taught you about anonymity
  Listen, you crossed a huge line
  reported and I am so pissed
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Line of what? I simply asked you a question about your profile. Sorry if I offended you. I didn't mean to. I didn't realize it was a sensitive subject since you put it in your profile.
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  kimberlyslyricsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  can we please just let this go I have no clue what your talking about and nor do you have of what I am
  goodnight, my father just died so Im probably not acting at all normal, like really not normal, please just know that, this is not me, sorry
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's ok Kim, sorry about your father. Consider it gone. I'll keep you in my prayers.
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  speedbirdposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Me I believe God answers prayers, but will greatly depend on how honest your prayers are plus your true faith in him.
  
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Would this be the unconditional love thing?
  
  It greatly depends.......................
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  Onusonusposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God answers my prayers all the time. You are supposed to pray to God, it's a comandment.
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  wba108@yahoo.composted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There are times when God chooses to answer a prayer in a way that we don't expect. For instance we can pray for patience and God may bring a person into our lives that test it to the limit. God may often also choose not to operate on our timetable.
  
  There are things that can hinder our prayers. Such as unforgiveness, personal sins, and unbelief. We don't have to be perfect people for God to answer our prayers, only to be people with a perfect heart. And by perfect heart, I am speaking of a heart like David's who failed many times but desired God above all else.
  
  It not true that if we're good, we don't have to pray to God. Jesus spent much time in prayer to the father. It says that we should pray ceaselessly,another words we're to live in constant communion with God. Some think prayer is just speaking our requests to God but its not its communing with the Father.
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just_curiousposted 14 years ago
I believe the true gifts that God will impart through prayer are enlightenment. People forget Mark 12:17. I think the fullest meaning of the message is that the things of God are not of this world. Prayers for material things are of no consequence to him, no matter how worthy you might consider the prayer to be. Not one of us is capable of understanding the mind of God.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  When no food is available for eating, enlightenment is furthest from the minds of the starving.
  
  Like food?
  
  And yet, here you are, contradictory to that statement, telling us how the mind of your god works. Funny that.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think the statement was that no one understands the mind of God. Not sure where the confusion was on that point.
  
  Jesus himself said the poor would always be among us.
  
  Tell you what B, if you want to start a new charitable organization to feed the hungry, contact me. I'm in. It might make us feel better about ourselves, but it won't be a drop in the bucket to the suffering the human race has allowed to continue unchecked.
  
  Put the blame squarely on those responsible and we'll definitely have room for a conversation.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I do put the blame squarely on those responsible, your god is entirely responsible. No one else.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sorry? Is that some confession of belief in God? I know what you're expecting. I'm supposed to now praise Jesus that you've seen the light, but I think you are really saying it is the fault of all those who believe.
  
  I suppose you also think the 170 million killed by the atheists during the last 100 years were mercy killings? Put them out of the misery of living on a world that God won't fix for us? Your compassion knows no bounds. I stand in awe.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, it is not a confession of belief. Like any mental disorder, the patients delusions are real for them. Under analysis, the disorder must be treated as if the delusion was real, in order to relate to the patient being treated.
  
  Hence, I am pretending for the sake of argument that your god exists simply because your god is real for you. In other words, I'm perfectly capable of pretending gods exist while it is almost impossible for a believer to pretend gods don't exist. It is the only way to relate to a believer's beliefs so that the believer can understand the discussion.
  
  Yes, I'm sure they were all chanting and screaming "In Atheism We Trust" and "Bless Reality" as they viciously slaughtered their enemies.
  
  There are no believers in foxholes.
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzedad,
  You have a right to you opinions, that is your prerogative. I would add, it doesn't make them right but you get to choose what ever you want.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This is not a matter of opinions, it is a matter of you presenting your beliefs such that they contradict reality, completely. You said:
  
  "god provides ALL our needs and DOES answer prayers HERE IN THE NOW"
  
  And, you have done nothing to resolve this contradiction considering there are tens of thousands of children who die of starvation every day and your response to that is first that the children need, "to get in on His specific promises you have to come His way and that way is through Jesus Christ" and then you change your mind and go on to say, "because of immoral men who do NOT serve God but only serve their bellies".
  
  Clearly, you are just making up excuses to defend your impossible and irrational claim. It is hypocrisy, intellectual dishonesty and contradiction at its finest. It is very sad indeed.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The apocryphal Jesus said many contradictory things.
  
  Prayer doesn't work. It doesn't work because there are no gods.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There are no gods? For goodness sakes pcunix. Everyone knows that silly. There is only a God. Thank goodness we've found a point to agree on though. I was losing hope.
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  thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I suggest that you pay no attention to those who try to hijack the issue and turn into a debate on whether there is God or not. Every discussion about God is a fertile ground for these gentlemen to sow seeds of their irrelevance and watch gleefully at the discussion grow and take a completely different path rather than the one that it was started for. They do it all the time. It is best to ignore them
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are right, and I apologize for being testy here. Yours are good thoughts.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So ignoring others? An interesting way to show your love and compassion for those who don't agree with you. How sad for you?
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  thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cagsil, you are completely off the mark! I did not ignore you as a person and believe you me, I could love you like I love my best friend. It is your argument that tends to take away the meaning of the discussion that i wanted people to ignore.
  Is this alright?
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The very reason why God does not answer prayers is that He is imaginary, but you can go on banging your head against the wall all you want, trying to figure out why no prayers are answered. We are only trying to save you some of this futile effort...but be my guess, and just ignore the obvious, and continue down the road to madness.
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  Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really, point it out?
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, your particular delusion is just one of many that are claimed to answer prayers. No prayers are ever answered by any gods.
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  wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  PC, I think it's pretty well accepted that very often a group of people gathered around an ill person and praying for their recovery will help. At least as long as the sick one knows (or perhaps even believes) that they are doing it....Basically another form of Voodoo curses.
  
  It can work. Is it an answer from God? Well, that's another question entirely!
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What does that establish? If the person does NOT know they are doing it, no benefit is observed.
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  wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is correct. I just intended to point out that "prayer doesn't work" is not necessarily correct as it can "work" in certain circumstances.
  
  It is true that the circumstances that prayer does work in indicates that the results are not from God rather than an answer to the prayer, but it [i]does]/i] work.
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janni321posted 14 years ago
may be he is not interested in whatever you pray. the man created the god himself, god does not exists in real. so stop praying
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  thirdmilleniumposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is not the point at all.
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roshkaurposted 14 years ago
well i'd personally say say that God is a soul and so are we..
we inherited all the qualities of His and it depends on us how do we wanna keep our souls pure as His. We can always connect ur soul to Him through thought. When we say pray means we talk to him and the way to know if He listens is by meditating which is to listen to Him talking to us.... (v)
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ediggityposted 14 years ago
God answers all prayers. Just keep in mind it may not always be the answer you want, or agree with.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would most certainly disagree with gods answers to the tens of thousands of children who die daily for lack of food. Clearly, his refusal to feed them is not a moral or ethical decision I would align myself.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I am glad you agree with my post, even though you disagree with God's answers. God has a plan for everyone, even you.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What would the dying of starvation of tens of thousands of children each day be relevant in your gods plan? Do tell us this amazing plan that includes such horrific and immoral behavior.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure what it has to do with Gods plan for those people. The result may not be known for a long time. Only God and knows. Why did God plague the Egyptians?
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's odd, you often opine on how your god thinks and acts, yet you can't come up with anything on this one. Of course, this is a very important one considering it has to do with tens of thousands of starving children who are starving to death because the god you love and worship refuses to answer their prayers and feed them.
  
  How is that different from a ruthless dictator doing that to his own people? How could anyone worship such an horrible god who does such things?
  
  Why would you want me to answer a question to a biblical fairy tale?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, you try to place limitations, your philosophy, and opinions of right and wrong on the beginning and the end, and then wonder why the answer comes back in indeterminate form. Maybe you should study the derivative of your philosophy.
  
  I don't know why you continue to answer any questions about things you don't understand or believe in. It's actually quite funny.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Precisely.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There's nothing wrong with trying.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  God answers no prayers.
  
  How many soldiers who have lost arms or legs have prayed for them to grow back? It never happens, does it?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Seems to me the majikal super being is as constrained by the physical laws as the rest of us. Almost like it is not there.
  
  Still we have several believers telling us wot god does.
  
  He answers all prayers
  He answers no prayers
  He answers some prayers - depending
  He answers but you will not like the answer or even notice there was one - depending
  
  And they all believe in the same majikal super being.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know why they just don't ask what Jesus said:
  
  “Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
  
  But of course he didn't mean that, because nobody ever moved a mountain. They'll just say that was metaphor. But then at other times, they'll tell you he meant whatever he said absolutely literally.
  
  Liars for Jesus.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think you should re-read my original post, and then rethink yours. Additionally, I would ask:
  
  What evidence do you have of soldiers praying for their limbs to grow back?
  
  Lastly, I would agree with the latter. No, it never happens, because none of the soldiers pray for their limbs to "grow back". They know the limbs are gone forever, and they pray for God to give them strength in their time of difficulty.
  
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, sure they do..
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess you have no proof of what they do either way. More opinion.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Keep dreaming.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Probably one of the most amazing examples of illogical denial ever seen.
  
  You know prayer cannot regrow limbs, so you insist that no such prayers are ever made.
  
  Truly fascinating to watch you distort reality.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The statement was just my opinion, but God is capable of anything.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not capable of growing limbs.
  
  Not capable of answering any prayers at all. Proven over and over again in experiment after experiment. Never answers. Proven that prayer does not ever work.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Have you proof of someone who's prayed to have a limb grow? Maybe God's answer was a prosthetic. Using experiments to determine the validity of prayer is subjective to the satisfaction of the answer. If the prayer doesn't align with God's plan, one shouldn't bank on having it their way. Prayer isn't equal to making an order at Burger King.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Denying reality doesn't change it.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nether does cherrypicking what you believe in that reality.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Examples?
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  wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If it isn't like a burger king order, and you always ask for one thing but get another, how can you be even a little bit sure it is in answer to your prayer rather than it just happened?
  
  I mean, I've talked to people that might of, say, prayed for food to feed their family and instead got their power turned off for nonpayment. It was still presented as answer to their prayer, but also "God's will" to test them further.
  
  How do you determine when God has answered? Or is it just that anything that happens at all is an obvious answer to an unrelated prayer and you just don't understand the answer?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Only people of faith can truly understand the answer, because they are the only ones who actually pray. How can a non believer form an opinion about prayer in their life when they don't pray?
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  wildernessposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The same way I can form an opinion about man's ability to visit the depths of the ocean even though I don't do it myself. I look for the results of prayer and attempt to correlate to the prayer itself. No correlation = no answer that I can detect.
  
  I assume your answer means that your faith tells you when a prayer is answered. Which is about what I said - any action is an answer to prayer if you think it is and no messy connection or correlation is necessary.
  
  Convenient, especially when debating if prayers are answered.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So, you admit you are forming an opinion with no experience. No offense, but your depths of the ocean example isn't very good. I would wager to say that the actual experience of going to the depths of the ocean is a lot more dynamic and complex than your opinion.
  
  Should one's prayer be answered immediately, with your view of tolerance if one does unhealthy things to their body, against the will of God, and then becomes sick? Or, maybe consistently acts irresponsibly, and then relies on God to constantly bail them out.
  
  Is every person sending their prayers trying to do the will of God, or are they the friend always calling for a favor?
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, he's just too humble to show his capable side.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're trying to place and frame your view of morality around the actions of God. It doesn't work, more philosophy zzzzzzzzzZZZZZzzzzzz
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My own morality does not include allowing children to starve to death if I had the power to feed them, but refused instead and watched them all die.
  
  Let's say it's more along the lines of a lack of any action on the part of your god.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, it may be. That may be the answer, just like the plagues.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment? Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they? Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?And why take ye thought for raiment? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they toil not, neither do they spin:And yet I say unto you, That even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. Wherefore, if God so clothe the grass of the field, which to day is, and to morrow is cast into the oven, shall he not much more clothe you, O ye of little faith? Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
  
  I guess the children just need somebody to teach them how to pray better. Litte kids can be SO unrighteous, can't they?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess the people who suffered through the plagues had no children.
  
  I've already stated earlier:
  
  Should one's prayer be answered immediately, with your view of tolerance if one does unhealthy things to their body, against the will of God, and then becomes sick? Or, maybe consistently acts irresponsibly, and then relies on God to constantly bail them out.
  
  Is every person sending their prayers trying to do the will of God, or are they the friend always calling for a favor?
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So right: asking for food for starving children is a selfish thing.
  
  I love the alternate reality of the true Christian.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I love it how people form an opinion out of their perceived correctness of logic, and then agree with themselves.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Explain how the Biblical quote says that children should starve.
  
  Do I need to repeat the important parts?
  
  Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
  
  So where's the problem? Is it the kid's parents? Should the kids be taken away and given to religious people like yourself?
  
  Or is it the children's fault - are they all whiny little self centered infidels?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
  
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't answer my question.
  
  Is it their parents fault or is it the kids fault? Who isn't seeking correctly?
  
  You must know how to seek correctly.. why don't YOU pray for some food for the poor kids?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You quoted the answer to your own question. Why must you feel the need to always place blame on someone or something? Do YOU know what or who I pray for? God has a plan for everyone, to those who seek God, will be taken care of.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are evading the question (typical theist).
  
  Whose fault? The parents, the kids, or yours?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know "Whose fault?" it is. Was it the fault of the Egyptian people, or the Pharaoh?
  
  I only know:
  
  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
  
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We aren't talking about lies in your Bible. We are talking about the starving children of today.
  
  Who is at fault? Their parents, the children or you?
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I already told you I don't know. I don't see it as having to place blame. Sorry it wasn't the answer you wanted. This is what I do know:
  
  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
  
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then I will have to explain it to you: your Bible tells figs about things that do not happen because none of the gods exist. That is why prayers are notbanswered: there is no god to answer them.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Again, your opinion, formed from your perception of correct logic, which you believe.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The believer will ask this question time and again while completely ignoring the fact that they will feel the need to praise their gods for their good fortune and abundance.
  
  But, when others do not get the same good fortune and abundance, or in fact they don't even have a morsel of food to eat, they wonder why blame needs to be placed on their gods.
  
  It is at this point the requirement to "walk in someone else shoes" is an appropriate request to the believer, that is, if the starving actually had shoes to wear.
  
  The believer should be quite thankful that the starving don't have access to the internet where they can read about the believers abundance and their praise for their gods.
  
  Yes, an invisible god who only has time to take care of your personal needs and the needs of those who believe as you do.
  
  The denial of reality is strong in this one.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You should become a philosopher.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting, you continue to invoke a biblical fairy tale to promote defending your gods atrocities rather than turn to reality for real stories of biblical failure.
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  More words of opinion and philosophy. Good try.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But you ignore the very own words of the Big Dude's ill-begotten son!
  
  He SAID everyone would be fed!
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  ediggityposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can tell you're a literal kind of guy, so I'm sure it makes sense to you however you want to believe it.
  
  But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
  
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  getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If I were missing a limb, and I had faith that God COULD do anything, I would immediately pray for Him to regrow my limb.
  To suggest that one would not pray for a new limb requires no faith and just lip service.
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jomineposted 14 years ago
god, devil, sun, earth, and all imaginable things answers your prayer with YES, NO OR WAIT.
and they all know what is best for you

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knolyourselfposted 14 years ago
"You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find You get what you need"
Is God a profiteer?
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Sophia Angeliqueposted 14 years ago
How prayer works... or doesn't work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk6ILZAa … r_embedded
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SpanStarposted 14 years ago
We need to understand that God is not our private genie. God is not forced to work for us, we that have chosen that path to follow and work for God, he alone decides whom he'll bless.

People looking to test God approach him with dirty hands for example only interested in getting a lot of money for their own selfish desires. People have ignored the needy but expect God to do for them.

God does answer pray but mostly it won't be when we expected it because we need only look at all the generations in bondage until God decided to send Moses to answer those prayers.

King Soloman was given knowledge unmatched by anyone and riches beyond belief without asking for them.
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  jomineposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  and the wise soloman did worship so many gods, for what i wonder!!
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  SpanStarposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Jomine,
  
  May you need to continue your search for answer to that question since I understand what your point is?
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superwagsposted 14 years ago
God DOES answer prayers. Two years ago I lost my job. I prayed hard for a mere eight months, then miraculously, I got a new one.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, that's much more important than dying children.
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  superwagsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Eh? Were you replying to the wrong post?
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No.
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  superwagsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then I don't understand what you're talking about
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Pat Dubéposted 14 years ago
It seems to be the "concern" of several here on this post that "children are starving all over the world." One only need to do a search of the internet and they will find the reason for that. It is not the selfish prayers of Christians who pray to take their children to Disney World or for a better house or a new vehicle or a new job. It's not that God does not answer prayer but instead it is a breakdown of the society of this world. It is a turning AWAY from God rather than a turning to Him and He does not answer. The reason children are dying is because of immoral men who do NOT serve God but only serve their bellies. It is men and governments who steal from their own people including the children. It is not the fault of believers but rather of those who have no regard for the things of God, or society, or even mankind. Children are dying in this world because there are wicked people who prey on them and their families. Christians and America have done more for the sick and dying children in this world than any other organization or nation. Instead of trying to demean and malign those who believe in God and pray and hope and expect Him to do good and to help out our world, perhaps these people should rather join in and do their part and stop trying to stir up discord, by pointing fingers and putting down other peoples beliefs.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, this would also be a serious denial of reality and an ill-conceived excuse for defending an evil god.
  
  That is not true, in fact many of those countries have leaders and governments that are praying to your god and begging the rest of world for food.
  
  Yup, the rationale of believers eventually disintegrates into blaming everything and everyone else instead of placing the blame where it should be, on the shoulders of believers who praise their gods.
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You said:
  "That is not true, in fact many of those countries have leaders and governments that are praying to your god and begging the rest of world for food."
  
  Please substantiate this so that I can further comment on it.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't substantiate your claim in any way shape or form yet you expect me to do that?
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You didn't ask!
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I shouldn't have to ask. You make an extraordinary claim so you should provide the extraordinary evidence to substantiate your claim.
  
  Yes, I do understand some countries have evil dictators who may abuse or even torture their people. Many more countries do not yet their children starve to death every day.
  
  There is no Jesus handing out food for their prayers, yet you have confirmed well beyond a shadow of a doubt in your mind that all prayers are answered.
  
  A contradiction of biblical proportions.
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just a few to substantiate the natural causes of hunger.
  
  http://www.globalissues.org/article/11/ … the-hungry
  
  http://www.enset.org/2008/08/why-are-th … rving.html
  
  http://www.globalissues.org/issue/2/causes-of-poverty
  
  Here is God's word that He does feed the hungry.
  
  Psa 146:7 Which executeth judgment for the oppressed: which giveth food to the hungry. The LORD looseth the prisoners:
  
  Psa 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
  
  God feeds those who believe in Him. He answers those who call on Him. He meets all my needs. I call on Him. He hears me. He hears His people. Those who serve other gods or nothing at all, will get the benefits of what they serve. That might sound hard but that is the truth. If a person wants what God has they must come His way. They must come through Jesus. Period!! Every nation, every people, every individual is welcome but only those who come to Him through faith in Jesus will partake of His blessings.
  
  He doesn't want people to go hungry but He will not interfere in the affairs of men until they call upon Him to do so. The only way you can call upon Him is through Jesus. Not Allah, not Budha, not Brahman or Vishnu, etc. etc. not ANY other NAME IN HEAVEN OR EARTH but ONLY by the name of JESUS.
  
  Jesus hands out food to HIS followers. The followers of of OTHER gods get just what their gods can give and that is NOTHING. Come to Jesus and you will be fed. That's as substantial and plain as I can give it to you.
  
  To others who may read this post:
  
  My intention is not to offend ANY but if people want their prayers answered they MUST come through Jesus and reject all the false gods and false religions and come to the ONE TRUE GOD.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you keep repeating this sermon over and over again, ignoring reality and those who starve to death. I have already told you that those who starve to death have been indoctrinated into the same religion as you, and they pray and worship exactly the same god as you. Please stop repeating yourself as it does nothing but add to the contradiction and hypocrisy.
  
  Yes, that's what I said, they pray to Jesus. Is there some reason why you can't understand this simple fact?
  
  Again, you are contradicting yourself and are obviously refusing to read my posts in that his followers are starving to death by the thousands every day. Understand?
  
  Your words are extremely offensive, especially to the Christians who pray for food to Jesus but instead starve to death. For this contradiction, you have not explained at all.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Darn. I had decided to find one of your comments and post something contrary, but I'm somewhat with you on this one. How odd is that?
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  Pat Dubéposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Beelzedad,
  
  That's very sad... very sad. I am not going to argue or debate with you. It's apparent you are not interested in hearing what I have to say. You are just trying to cause an issue. You aren't going to get one from me. I stand by everything I have said and have not contradicted myself even once.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, you have. You all do.
  
  Your religion is nothing but lies, It promises that believers will be cared for, but they are not.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, you guys should stop picking on the nice lady, just because you don't agree. You should be like me. She posted to me, I stated my disagreement, she said I was wrong, we hugged and made up. End of conversation. I realize this is a concept outside of the bounds of the ken of certain people, but you're actually a nice guy. You should post, and say you're sorry.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry for telling the truth?
  
  No, I don't think so.
  
  She said "He doesn't want people to go hungry but He will not interfere in the affairs of men until they call upon Him to do so." and "Jesus hands out food to HIS followers."
  
  Those are obviously false. I'm not going to apologize or call that a "difference of opinion". Her words are untrue.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you, but I'm pretty sure she never will. Oh well, it was worth a shot.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You agree, but you think she's a "nice person" and deserves an apology?
  
  I don't follow your logic at all, sorry.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I apologize a lot of times when I think I'm right. I don't think it implies I believe I was in the wrong. Simply that I'm sorry we argued over something. I don't care if people don't agree with me on everything. It is possible to be harmonious, and not in sync simultaneously. Try it. You might like it.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I don't think so
  
  Especially not here. This callous explanation that ignores reality is not anything to admire, even when it does somewhat align itself with your own beliefs.
  
  If another atheist here called for the banning of religion, wouldn't you expect me to speak up against that?
  
  The kind of belief she expresses deserves censure, not praise.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ok, I see your point. I don't agree with it either. It does not, in any way, line up with my beliefs. If I thought that was the true message of Christianity I would never call myself a Christian. I wish she'd stop it. I've already told her what I think.
  
  Hey but I'm confused. I'm pretty sure beelzedad wants religion banned. How come you don't chastise him?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your comprehension skills seem somewhat lacking today. Past your bedtime perhaps?
  
  I take it you have not actually read the Christian handbook either. See - this is the problem with calling yourself a Christian. You are inevitably associated with the nonsense in the babble.
  
  You should start your own cult.
  
  The same as everyone else does.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Shame on you for being so mean to me. My comprehension skills are just fine. I believe it is my following skills that could be honed, should I choose to be led by the nose ring down the wrong path. What's your excuse? Why are you a follower? You seem to have the party line down pat. Are you scared to think for yourself?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry I seem to have made you angry again. I apologize for doing that. Sure - you are not following anything and believing in an Invisible Super Being is being open minded. Really, really sorry.
  
  What party line is this?
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's the party of one. Maybe more, I don't know and don't care to know Mark. I go by what I know, and what I know only. It appears you listen to a whole lot more of the religious hype than I do. I don't know what I would agree with that the religion as a whole believes, but I don't see that I have to agree with anyone. Its a free country, last time I checked. I should probably check again though. Its been a while.
  
  Anyway, how come atheists say they have no uniformity in their beliefs? How come you get to believe what you want, but you keep trying to cram me into a box?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are the one that crammed yourself into a box.
  
  Atheism is a lack of belief. The only reason the word even exists is the amount of people such as your self saying "there IS something more - And I know what it is".
  
  Shouldn't even be a word. Are you arunning when you are walking? No. Are you an acarpenter because you never picked up a saw? No.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  so why does everybody use that word?
  
  Anyway, as to the box. I'm not in one. You are imagining I'm in one. Which doesn't make it so. I happen to be quite claustrophobic. There is no way I'd survive.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  2,000 years of murdering peopel who did not believe in order to force this to be the default position. Do you read any history books?
  
  Yes - you are in a tight little box. I can see it from way over here. The funny thing is - you have convinced yourself you are not. That is what religion does to you.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Stop being mean Mark. I'm not saying you can't do pizza with Pcunix and I when everyone gets to the other side, but you're beginning to make me wonder if you're going to be any fun .Don't make me start second quessing my concept of eternal life.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The other side? Eternal life?
  
  See? Teeny weeny little box.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It was a joke Mark. Humor just goes over your head sometimes.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So - lets get this right - there IS something else, there is a god, but - the other side and eternal life is a joke?
  
  K.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No Mark. I was joking with you about something I take seriously. It is ok to laugh at one's self. It is actually considered healthy.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ah - so you were serious about the "other side" then? And you think you were being funny as well?
  
  We need to work on your delivery,
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe, maybe not. I remember another time when you implied I wasn't funny and then said I was. How do I know this isn't just another trick?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Let's be clear. Your beliefs are funny, but your jokes are not.
  
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe not to you, but that's to be understood. It seems a lot goes over your head.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ahhh. I don't agree, therefore I am too dumb to get it. K. No wonder your religion causes so many wars.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it's back to the war argument is it? What, just because I say something you don't like you are ready to bear arms? You sound more warlike than I am. This whole conversation started with me suggesting pcunix hug and make up with someone he was disagreeing with.
  
  I ist always the peace makers who suffer.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Aww. Persecuted as well. You are sounding more like a real Christian with every utterance.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Persecuted? For pointing out hypocrisy? I thought that was your shtick.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup - a real Christian all right. Can't help it can yer?
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, I think you misunderstand the meaning of being a good Christian.
  
  Oh. Never mind. I get it.
  
  Good one. Do not forget, I'm not a bobble head doll. I have an inner ear problem and would get dizzy easily.
  
  What's the problem? Are you unaccustomed to someone being able to meet your barbs with barbs? Am I making life too difficult for you?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dear me. No - you are behaving true to form. Predictable actually. What a shame.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Can't get me with that one Mark, for two reasons.
  
  A. You don't know what the norm is for me.
  
  B. You don't know what my belief structure is.
  
  C. Darn. I said two. I had more, but oh well.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh - I have no idea what is the "norm" for you - but you are acting the same way all the other Christians do. Almost like you learned it from a book. So - predictable. I am familiar with the box you have put yourself in, A shame really - I thought you might actually be different - turns out that is not the case.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Aw, well that's so sweet to know that hope springs eternal in you mark. Maybe you'll run across someone holier than you some day.I doubt it. You sound like you think you're pretty holy. I'm just a plain old sinner. Maybe I'll grow up to be like you. Then I'll feel special too.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Mark. I cannot believe I'm doing this. I read over the conversation and, I swear, it looks like we were joking around, but if I have indeed offended you, I apologize. It was truly not me intent. I thought it was all in fun.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  We are not BELIEVING anything.
  
  Are you EVER going to understand that?
  
  Atheism is the LACK OF BELIEF. It is not belief.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If he made a specific post saying that, I would.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nice lady? She's been fabricating stories, manipulating information to defend her religious beliefs, dishonest as the day is long. Shouldn't she be apologizing to us?
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you had read my post to pcunix, it has nothing to do with who's right and who's wrong. And I believe it was strongly implied that I thought he should try it, because the other party (on the atheist side) would not understand the concept.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Currently, it appears to be a matter of intellectual honesty vs. religious belief, contradiction and hypocrisy stepping up against rationale and reason.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I am not in disagreement, if we aren't talking about me now, but the woman's stand on prayer. I simply do not understand why sometimes, one can't politely agree to disagree. You cannot tell me you've never apologized to someone when you were clearly in the right.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Picture this in your mind. Pat Dube, each and every day standing before another crowd of tens of thousands of starving children repeating that god has answered their prayers and will give them food to eat, just before they all pass away. And then, another day and another crowd.
  
  Is this something we should politely disagree upon?
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No Beelzedad, you are right. It is a terribly selfish thing to say, or believe. But you aren't helping her see the error.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  then why don't YOU help her?
  
  I know: because you don't want to "insult" a fellow believer, right?
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I tried to explain it to her on another thread. She basically told me I didn't understand the scriptures. What am I supposed to do? I can't be like Beelzedad. I'd be miserable being that mean.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see Beelzedad as mean.
  
  You need to understand the difference between telling somebody their beliefs are screwy and being mean.
  
  Are you very young? I ask because I think you are "thin skinned" and seem to worry that others are also. Age and experience will usually change that for the better, but if you are not young and still feel hurt when people disagree with you, that's something you should work on changing.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pcinix, get real. I'm four cats hanging out a window. How old do you think I feel? I'm rarely upset, no matter how my posts might look. But I still say he can be mean. And he does know it. He tries to be unkind, I think. Just to get people's goats. I find it very odd. But he is quite good at it.
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  Pcunixposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know what 4 cats means..
  
  I don't agree that he is mean. He simply states truth that you don't want to hear.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pcunix, there is perceived truth and then there is obvious prejudice. I believe we can all clearly see the difference.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I tried, but as usual, religious beliefs outweigh reality. You should know that.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That isn't a fair ring for you to say to me, but it is par for the course with you. I would have expected no less.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, is there something I said that wasn't true? Are you trying to tell me that your religious beliefs do not outweigh reality? You've already posted many things that do.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I was simply prolonging this converseration to prove my point. It's been proven, and probably belabored by now. You can go. Thanks for playing into my hands so well.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The only point you proved is your inability to distinguish your religious beliefs from your arms and legs. Religion is an ideology, and the ideals from religion are not your ideals, they are someone else that you are following. It wouldn't matter if the ideals were political, philosophical or anything else, they are ideals, and not arms and legs.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I think I can discern the difference between an appendage and a concept. Perhaps that's your problem at times. You so want to continue to stare down, you can't clearly see the person standing across from you. Sorry if I refuse to try and do the same.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Obviously, you can't if you keep complaining how mean we are for criticizing those concepts and not criticizing your appendages.
  
  Has anyone here ever said anything personal about your appendages?
  
  If not, what are you complaining about, then?
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is it with you? Man, you definitely have some odds ideas. But, you are right, to an extent. You probably aren't this harsh outside of this disembodied place. I would hope. I just can't be that difficult with another person, even in this environment. I wil try to. I'm still learning.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But, you have yet to learn to distinguish your religious beliefs from your arms and legs. Not likely that will every occur though.
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  just_curiousposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Explain it to me again. I do so want to understand where it is you believe yourself to be coming from. In detail please.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You haven't been debating nor have you said anything. All you managed to do is to recite scriptures and fabricate stories, changing the stories as you went along. This is known as lying.
  
  You have already caused an issue by making false claims about prayers being answered.
  
  Not only have you contradicted yourself, you have created stories to defend your contradictions, falsified information and fabricated reasons. You are free to stand by your lies if you feel compelled to do so, but it is obvious that you are denying reality and insulting and denigrating those who die of starvation every day, all to defend your religious beliefs.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
Psa 37:4 Delight thyself also in the LORD; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart.
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SirDentposted 14 years ago
I can give you something to chew on. Of course many will refuse to accept this for what it actually is.

My wife and I wanted a child but never had one. Doctors said my wife could not get pregnant. We were both lost at the time. I gave my life to the Lord in August, 1996. In September we found out she was pregnant. We had never prayed for a child but only wanted one. In December my son was born. He weighed 10 ponds and 7.5 ounces.

You can believe it was God or not. I know doctors can make mistakes. At the same time I know all people make mistakes no matter what kind of work they do. This includes scientists.

Whether you believe it was God or not, I will always know that it was God who not only allowed us a son, but caused it simply bewcause we desired it.
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  Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, people will believe in all kinds of magical things even though an innocuous explanation is most likely readily available but usually ignored in favor of magic.
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Mark Ewbieposted 14 years ago
I don't know much about the God thing but I hope He won't mind me leaving a comment on the offchance it nudges my score up to 100.
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paradigmsearchposted 14 years ago
"God Does Not answer Prayers"

I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way, so I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness.
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  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep! Works better that way if you are religious.
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paarsurreyposted 14 years ago
God Does Not answer Prayers

God does answer prayers:

[40:61] And your Lord says: ‘Pray unto Me; I will answer your prayer. But those who are too proud to worship Me will surely enter Hell, despised.’
[40:62] It is Allah Who has made the night for you that you may rest therein, and the day to enable you to see. Verily, Allah is the Lord of bounty for mankind, yet most men are ungrateful.
[40:63] Such is Allah, your Lord, the Creator of all things. There is no God but He. How then are you turned away?

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=60
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