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Known Fulfilled Prophecies: And Messianic Prophecies

  1. vector7 profile image61
    vector7posted 6 years ago

    This is simply for Christians to share and discuss the prophecies they may know well, and/or better than some of the rest of us.

    It is for edifying and educating each of us further in understanding our God's Word.

    Though I posted it for prophecies, I think it would do us well to share scriptures in light of how Christ would want us to act in regards to being amongst those who don't share our knowledge of truth.

    Undoubtedly, there will be those who post for reasons other than these, I just hope it doesn't become a useless, objectively lost thread...

    Happy Posting.

    smile

    1. Beelzedad profile image57
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      We already see how you act in light of your edification, education and knowledge of truth.

      That's what most frightening. smile

      1. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Beelzedad:

        Welcome. Could I interest you in some wonderful scriptures about how you too could be saved?

        Jesus Christ died to save us all from our sins even though we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God:

        Romans 3:23

        23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

        And:

        14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
                                                                                         ~Jesus

        Isn't that wonderful Beelzedad?

        Christ Jesus loves you too. And will save you if you believe that He came and died on the cross to save you of your sins.

        And then when you get to the judgement Jesus will say "I know this one, and he is worthy to enter."

        All the scriptures make perfect sense. And Jesus fulfilled over 59 prophecies of about the coming Messiah.

        If you would like any scriptures of prophecies fulfilled about Jesus Christ then just ask. I may even post them right here!

        If you have any questions just contact me. I have two emails just in case.

        God bless you..  smile

        ~Daniel

        1. vector7 profile image61
          vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "And Jesus fulfilled over 59 prophecies of about the coming Messiah."

          Correction:

          Jesus fulfilled over 114 Messianic prophecies.

          smile

        2. Beelzedad profile image57
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Sure, could I show you some wonderful scriptures that contradicts your scripture and shows your god to be immoral, unethical as well as being a mass murdering despot?



          It's a lie. Gods can't die, so Jesus never died. Why would you present lies to me?



          Sure, if one had scooped out their brains and replaced them with rice pudding, they might make sense.

          smile

          1. vector7 profile image61
            vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            No one is making you read the scriptures.

            I post. You read.

            You could choose not to correct?

            Hope everything is going good for you..

            smile

    2. getitrite profile image79
      getitriteposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Your purpose is not to edify or educate, but merely to preach to the choir, and re-enforce the willful ignorance that has already been accepted by delusional blind followers.

      When you decide to be honest, and actually educate us, then I will respect your position, but for now, this is rubbish.

      1. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        The choir may choose not to enter the church.

        Calling me dishonest is not kind. I am not dishonest.

        I need not your respect for my position to stand firm.

        I love you. And you have the right not to read or listen..

        smile

    3. Woman Of Courage profile image59
      Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      There is now a falling away of God's people. The word of God prophesied that this will take place. Now we beseech you, brethren,by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ,and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit,nor by word,nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man decieve you by any means: for that day shall not come,except there come a falling away first, and that man  of sin be revealed, the son of perdition. 1 Thessalonians Ch. 2: 1-3

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      Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      All prophecy (and all requirements of the Law) has been fulfilled, else the Work & the Sacrifice, promised to Abram, done in vane --and certainly Eternal Life still unattainable.

      James.

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    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

    The birth of Jesus fulfilled this prophecy.

    1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
      Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Were these prophecies too or just happy accidents...?

        Pagan legends are full of virgin births most Gods were born from virgins.  By comparison most of the old Pagan myths and Legends were simply rewritten and called the bible.

        Krishna was born of the virgin Devaki

        Dionysus was born of the virgin Semele.

        Buddha too was born of a virgin,

        The old Teutonic goddess Hertha was a virgin impregnated by the heavenly Spirit and bore a son.

        Scandinavian Frigga was impregnated by the All-Father
      Odin and bore Balder, the healer and saviour of mankind.

        Plus according to the Roman Emperor Augustus's mother was worshipping in the temple of Apollo when she fell asleep and was impregnated by the god.


        PS    If your prophecy is true how come his name isn’t Immanuel Christ ?

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        jomineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And don't listen to the atheists when they say it(virgin) was a mistranslation!
        It was the ineffable bible in all its glory, as god knew before hand it was a virgin and made the translator mis-translate it!!

        1. vector7 profile image61
          vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          The people who read it in the original language said it was a virgin birth. It is was their birth language they used everyday.

          Pretty sure they didn't misinterpret.

          smile

      2. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Jomine and Merlin:

        Welcome.

        Did you know that Christ Jesus is the light of the world and that through Him you can have life eternal?

        John 8:51

        51 "Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death."
                                                                           ~Jesus

        And:

        John 14:6

        6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
                                                                          ~Jesus

        Jesus Christ loves you, and He wants you to be in Heaven with Him. Jesus never sinned, and did many, many miracles including calming a storm:

        Mark 4:38-40

        38 And he was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake him, and say unto him, Master, carest thou not that we perish? 39 And he arose, and rebuked the wind, and said unto the sea, Peace, be still. And the wind ceased, and there was a great calm. 40 And he said unto them, Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?


        Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and if you have faith in Him you can have life everlasting in Heaven with God.

        Accept Jesus as your  personal Savior and you can be on your way to God's glorious kingdom, where moths do not corrupt and thieves do not steal.

        If you have any questions for me about Christ Jesus and salvation through Him then you can email me at either one of my emails. I'll be glad to help in any way I can at all.

        God bless you...  smile

        ~Daniel

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          jomineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Sorry vector I'm not interested in eternal life., I'm happy with this one. Any way what am i to do with eternal life? I like fast driving, the thrill is the danger... If I'm sure i'm not going to die, where is the fun?

          Again there is another god, 'Krishna' who told the same thing approximately 6000 years before. What  if he is the real one and yours a fake? His coming too was foretold, born of a virgin and will come again at the end of the world!
          Also his book contain less contradiction and nonsense!

          There are numerous other gods too!
          How will anybody know which is the correct one?

          Then I can rely only on my reason, but reason tells me there can never be anything called god, whatever that means!!

          1. vector7 profile image61
            vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Jomine:

            Yes, I see that there are many false prophets in the world.

            You must search the scriptures as Christ said in order to know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that the Bible is the Word of the living God:

            John 5:39

            39" Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
                                                                                           ~Jesus

            The Old Testament scriptures speak often of the Messiah and show numerous proofs of God's goodness poured out to mankind through the Son of God.

            God bless you..

            ~Daniel

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              jomineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              How do anybody know which is which?
              I can quote similar words from Quran and Gita!!!

              A book justifying itself is NO justification!!

              About the numerous proof's of the OT  god's goodness, the less said the better!

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                jomineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Also you should have something to substantiate your claims!

                1. vector7 profile image61
                  vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  The book needs no justification friend. It does not require you to believe it.

                  Those who know it is true, know so because they sought the truth and found it. It is truth. And it is life.

                  Christ Jesus is life..

                  My claims may be accepted or denied. I don't push people into things jomine.. I just make it available....

                  Hope your day is going good.

                  smile

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                    jomineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    So do all the people believing in all sort of nonsense...
                    They all claim, their claims are infallible.
                    Alas! Does not even have an iota of truth, if you read it with open mind,
                    Rather anybody who is not familiar with any of these beliefs find it, to put it mildly, ridiculous!

      3. Dave Mathews profile image60
        Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        You do seem to enjoy using folklore to try and discredit religious beliefs of faith.

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      jomineposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Your mistaken merlin,in the whole bible, Jesus is called, Immanuel!
      If not in this edition, then certainly in the next  lol

  3. thirdmillenium profile image61
    thirdmilleniumposted 6 years ago

    Hey, where is this I-Hate-God brigade?  Shouldn't they have been here  by now?
    Come on fellas,  join us to distract us

    1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
      Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am neither a God Hater nor an atheist; I am someone with ancient Pagan beliefs.  That means my beliefs pre date your and any other religion.

          In fact it was the fears and superstitions of our ancient ancestors that led to the invention of the Gods, all of them and because of them religion was invented.  I have researched what many call pre religious history in an effort to find answers of where and how religion was created.

      All Gods have a common origin and that is they were all invented by man, there are no exceptions and the fact that what is supposedly considered to be the only one left can be traced back to laws passed by King Hezekiah around 700 BC. 

      I find the fact that many people find this difficult to accept or to understand that hundreds of years of ritual doesn’t make something a fact nor true a little strange.

      The information I place here earlier is fact, not based on hearsay or a misinterpretation or mistranslation of anything and my statement that there are very little original tales in the bible is also true, they are variations of old Pagan stories told and re told over the centuries.

      None of what I write is based upon hatred of anything or anyone yet quite often I am accused of being the Anti- Christ, Hitler’s disciple, a NAZI even been told I’m destined to burn in the fires of Hell for my beliefs all coming from the mouths of those whose message is supposed to be Love... that too I find strange.

      1. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Merlin:

        Jesus Christ does not want you to go to Hell. Jesus wants to forgive you of all the things you have done wrong and make you perfect and take you to Heaven with Him.

        Jesus loves you very much, and has given the ultimate sacrifice for you and anyone else who will accept His gift of mercy.

        Christ says:

        John 15:13

        13 "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends."
                                                                                   ~Jesus

        Jesus wants you to be forgiven through Him.

        God bless you..  smile

        ~Daniel

        1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
          Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What is it with all the biblical quotes and Jesus doesn't want me to go to Hell ?

          I am not going to hell, which is a scary myth made up to be the opposite to heaven. "Be good and get the lollipop... Be bad and get a slap !"

            Nor do I seek forgiveness from someone, if he existed at all, has been dead for near two thousand years.

          If I need to seek forgiveness it is from the real people who I have wronged.

          As I tried to explain earlier, your religion and beliefs have no meaning for me.  They are age old delusions, forms of socialistic brain washing if you prefer. At one time it was the norm, you had to accept or be punished, even put to death for non belief.  So at least to me it is obvious why the majority complied.

          Look at the other main religions, other than your own, one at least still has the threat of death for non compliance, while the other has managed to create a sort of isolated social prison for its followers.


          I told you, I am clear and satisfied in my mind as to where your Gods and religion came from, I also know the why.  Social power and control pure and simple.

          There is no great mystery, only a desire for continued delusion, sometimes the delusion is imposed but most of the time it is merely self imposed.


          I am happy that you believe you and your friends are set upon a journey with great promises of something better to follow knowing that one way or another you will never know the truth.

          You call this faith... I on the other hand call it something else.

          You cannot see beyond the bible, while I saw it as just another book to be included in our research as we went backwards in time to a point looking for answers as to why it was even written in the first place.

          I started to challenge the Bible and the church when both were telling me things that conflicted with facts.  There are those who walk amongst us who honestly belief the world is only 6,000 years old and was created in 6 days... I'm sorry but I find it hard to even understand their reasoning.
          Nor when other parts of the Bible fail to measure up to history and scientific study people continue to blindly try to defend it.    It's a book, written a long time ago, we have moved on, we know a lot more now than they did then... so how anyone can claim this to be the other around defies logic and simple reason.

          Point is until you and people who think as you do take the same journey back through time you will never ever know or understand what I'm talking about.  Humans existed long before the written word power and control was applied through fear and superstition created by other humans not by any gods...

          However, if you are happy... then I suppose I should be happy for you.

          1. vector7 profile image61
            vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Merlin:

            God loves you very, very much. You should consider accepting Jesus Christ who is the Son of God.

            He loves you and died on the cross to forgive you of your sins. He will never leave or forsake you, and He knows everything about you.

            You could not have a better friend than Jesus..

            God bless you..

            ~Daniel

            1. Merlin Fraser profile image78
              Merlin Fraserposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Forgive me for saying so but you sound like the broken record of meaningless and endless religious rhetoric that I was faced with when I first started to ask the church leaders probing questions about the Bible.

              To be completely honest I find it patronising in the extreme when in a 3D world you are asked to enter a decent, adult discussion the only response from the religious side is a 2D barrage of meaningless biblical quotes and a message that Jesus and God Loves Us !   

              For someone who doesn’t believe in God in the first place you might as well tell me that the Government loves me....  I don’t believe that either.

              I realise now what a complete and utter waste of my time this and other self promoting Religious Forum subjects are, in the total absence of any Logic, Reason or Common sense in the discussion they are little more than a cheap form of adverts for God.

              1. vector7 profile image61
                vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Melvin:

                I'm sorry you don't like my posts. Christ Jesus does very much love you.

                This Forum is entitled "Known Fulfilled Prophecies: And Messianic Prophecies"

                If you have questions about the Bible please read any posts I have posted or check into one of the other forums. I may have posted the answer there.

                I only meant to tell non-Christians about Christ, and allow Christians to post scriptures and prophecies from within the Bible, also known as the Word of God.

                If you have any questions regarding Christ Jesus or salvation, please contact me via email. I have two emails both available from my main profile page.

                Jesus is always there to talk to if you ever need Him Melvin.

                God bless you...

                ~Daniel

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      BunuBobuposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Logically I know there is no God but before I came to this conclusion I developed and intense HATE for God.
      I was honest and I told my parents about this and so many people tried convincing me that "God has a reason for everything".

      I am not a hateful person unless I have good reason but the only person (I used to believe) I truly hated in my life was God.
      Once I stopped believing the hate inside of me died.

      Sometimes I wish there was a God just so the guilty will be punished and the good rewarded but that is like wishing Santa Clause was real.

      Just being honest here.

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi Buno, God reveals himself to those who seek him. It's a spiritual experience. Logic can not determine that God does not exist. God never abandoned you. He still loves you, and waiting for you to reach out and acknowlege that you need him. God is not a imaginary friend to me. You don't have to wish anymore. God is real. Take care.

  4. vector7 profile image61
    vector7posted 6 years ago

    Christians please do not be discouraged from posting due to overcrowded or long posts. We have plenty and plenty of webpage that will keep going so long as we post.

    Matthew 5:10-12

    10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. 12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

    Matthew 5:14-16

    14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

    Praise Christ Jesus, King of Kings and Lord of Lords and to God be all the glory. 

    smile

    1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
      Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Amen, I am encouraged big_smile

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    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    Psa 22:1  To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

    Psa 22:14  I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.

    Psa 22:18  They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

    __________________________________________________________

    Mat 27:46  And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

    Mat 27:35  And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

    I will be away all day today and unable to post after this.

    1. vector7 profile image61
      vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ahaa.. You beat me to it..

      This is my favorite:

      Psalm 22:16

      16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.


      John 20:25-29

      25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe. 26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

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    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    Psa 17:3  Thou hast proved mine heart; thou hast visited me in the night;

  7. topgunjager profile image61
    topgunjagerposted 6 years ago

    How can you deny the existence of God? What are you stupid? You will all burn in hell!

    1. vector7 profile image61
      vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Matthew 12:36

      36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

      ~Jesus

      smile

      1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
        Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Amen smile Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Oh they know what they do alright.

          "They" debunk the hateful self satisfied threats like this one.

    2. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      She'll be right topgun, None of the religionists go near the OT, it contradicts all of their "love" talk. smile

      1. vector7 profile image61
        vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jesus' "love" teachings were derived from the OT..

        He often quoted scripture for backing up His teachings.

        smile

        1. earnestshub profile image88
          earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Funny thing that, which "loving" scripture would thast be. This one perhaps?


            If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through.   (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

          Lovely!

          1. vector7 profile image61
            vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

            What can I say, God is much more so righteous than your imagination can handle.

            You don't like consequences huh?

            Don't get caught with drugs.. they'll put you in handcuffs and then let you get abused by other men..

            smile

            1. topgunjager profile image61
              topgunjagerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Syke!!! I don't believe in God, i'm an atheist, april fools!!!

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                vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                nunh unhh...

                roll

            2. earnestshub profile image88
              earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              What are you on about? smile

  8. vector7 profile image61
    vector7posted 6 years ago

    Matthew 12:39

    39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. 42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.

    ~Jesus

    smile

  9. earnestshub profile image88
    earnestshubposted 6 years ago

    Time to quote the OT again.

      "I will sweep away everything in all your land," says the LORD.  "I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die.  I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity," says the LORD.  "I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship.  I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear.  For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars.  They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too.  So now I will destroy them!  And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do.  They no longer ask for the LORD's guidance or seek my blessings."   (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

    How psychotic can ya get?

    1. vector7 profile image61
      vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      lol

      Desperate again?

      You can argue with Him if you like. Might want to consider the passage you posted first.

      smile

    2. topgunjager profile image61
      topgunjagerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      hey ernest, here's a compilation of all the messed up quotes and words of god in the bible. go to evilbible.com

      1. earnestshub profile image88
        earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Found it. Now that is informative! lol

        1. topgunjager profile image61
          topgunjagerposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Now it's easier to arm yourself when in battle haha

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Yep! Thanks, It is over 30 years since I did formal bible study, and I do forget some of it. smile Fortunately I have a good memory, but had forgotten some of it.

            1. vector7 profile image61
              vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Amazing you say you won't exist after you die, yet you waste so much of your precious time mocking a God you claim non-existent.

              The logic is questionable.

              I suppose mocking something you say isn't there helps you feel better.



              smile

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I suppose pumping the thread full of threats against those who don't believe in fantasy is a much better idea. lol

                1. vector7 profile image61
                  vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Another implication that I shoved you into the thread??

                  Oh dear.. Here come the irrational assertions.

                  smile

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    What goes on in your head? Irrational reply yet again!

            2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
              Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              earnest, You and I had a small discussion before about this passage. I encouraged you to read the whole book of Zechariah, but you prefer to hold on to certain parts of the chapter in hopes of making God appear to be a murderer in your view. God is holy and just and he protected the people from the wicked ones.

              1. earnestshub profile image88
                earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                If you are going to defend this you need to deal with all of it, an almost endless task trying to obscure what is written and re-interpret it to mean something it does not say. smile
                The context argument has become a running joke.

                1. vector7 profile image61
                  vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes because people are too lazy to approach it.

                  Searching for truth is hard.

                  Satan's job of throwing out easily made lies is so much easier right?

                  One could easily make you doubt in everything you are. Your parents, your job security, your trust in your wife.. Hmm I think I see a pattern.

                  Yes, it looks like shedding doubt on things brings up trouble.

                  Wonders..

                  smile

                  1. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    I would like to point out that satan is not the proposed writer of the hate filled tomes I quoted. It is all supposedly "inspired" by your god. Try to stay on track will you?

                2. Woman Of Courage profile image59
                  Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  no, I am not trying to defend anything. I don't need to. God did not kill people for the fun of it without a reason. I can see that you refused to read the verses in the bible relating to how God had to protect the people. It's not in your post above. You purposely ovelooked that part of the chapter. You're speaking falsely when you are saying that God is a murderer. Reading in context of the bible is not a joke. It's very important to read in context. It's just common sense.

                  1. vector7 profile image61
                    vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    AMEN...

                    smile

                  2. earnestshub profile image88
                    earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    So the omnipotent god did not kill without a reason? What is a good enough reason for an omnipotent god to kill again? lol Killing is a sign of failure at any time.

  10. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    EVERYBODY is right ......   And EVERYBODY is wrong !


      Then we learn how to deal with it ?   Maybe ?

    1. Woman Of Courage profile image59
      Woman Of Courageposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Jerami, What's the problem? Nobody is right all the time. Do you believe God is a murderer also?

      1. Jerami profile image73
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Murder is such a strong word.

          If I go to heaven when I die ....   to die is not such  bad thing; Is it ?

          For someone to cause me to die, is to cause me to go home ?

          To cause someone to die  =s   Murder ?

          Such a strong word that is,   Murder!

          Does God cause people to come home ?

        1. vector7 profile image61
          vector7posted 6 years ago in reply to this

          But murder is a word inferring the killing is a crime.

          God does not commit crimes, and therefore does not murder.

          He may kill a man, and for His own well known reason. But it was not a crime for Him to do. He gave the life in the first place.

          Murder is a strong word..

          smile

          1. earnestshub profile image88
            earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It may be a strong word, but it's the right strong word.

          2. Jerami profile image73
            Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think that we are in agreement in this issue ?

              A lot of people do not consider killing someone as murder  IF  they have what they consider to be a good reason.
              Such as you come home to find someone raping your 9 year old daughter!  ??
              You awake with someone breaking into your home.  ???
             
               Different people draw the line betwen killing for just cause and murder differently.
               
               Murder is a strong word!  sometimes misused.

            1. Beelzedad profile image57
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Whoa! Hold the phone there.

              Jerami, I understand that a gods command to murder makes the moral norm completely arbitrary, whatever a god commanded to be right is going to be right because what is right is whatever god commands, even if that is to murder.

              But, that is not the case, it is the fact that the circumstances surrounding the events of a gods command being relative to the nature of the act of murder which in itself is in conflict with our own generally accepted moral behaviors and laws.

              Hence, a gods command to murder cannot be used as a logical argument for a basis of right and wrong behavior as it severs the very foundation of being wrong from the very nature of murder. smile

      2. Jerami profile image73
        Jeramiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        That is correct  NOBODY is right all the time   And  Everybody is wrong in some things.

  11. profile image0
    SirDentposted 6 years ago

    Gen 22:8  And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

    Rev 5:6  And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

  12. vector7 profile image61
    vector7posted 6 years ago

    Genesis 3:15

    15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.





    Luke 22:53

    53 When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.


    Hebrews 2:14

    14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;


    1 John 3:8

    8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    1. earnestshub profile image88
      earnestshubposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I see a lot of control freak nonsense, what do you see?

  13. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    Beelzedad wrote ..
    Hence, a gods command to murder cannot be used as a logical argument for a basis of right and wrong behavior

    = = =

      a gods command to murder (strong word) in one instance should not be used indiscrimently.  What is a right thing to do in one instance is not necessarily the correct behaveior in other semingly  similar instance.


       Gotta go take care of stuff.  Later

    1. Beelzedad profile image57
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Ah, so you didn't even read my post. sad

 
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