Is Time Linear
- just_curiousposted 13 years ago
0Ok. I get your point. Call it our collective experience of what we perceive as time. Or better yet, what I perceive as time.
Do you think it's linear?I would have to say that as long as there is movement, then yes it would be linear, as in only moving one direction. If it originated from one point and expanded in all directions, then I would lean more towards it being radial/spherical.
PS. Good question...
Linear, as in algorithms? What do you mean by linear?
If we see that our universe is expanding and that all the objects are being carried along with the expansion as well as within their local groups, we can observe that everything is in motion relative to each other. The objects themselves exhibit characteristics of requiring at least three dimensions to exist. But, if not for the fourth dimension of time, we wouldn't be able to map and measure their coordinates relative to each other.
So, not only do we see clocks as a man-made tool for measuring time, we also see time as a property of space, both within the expansion and local areas. And, since it's a property of space, objects moving through it will affect and be affected by time just as they are being affected by space.
From this comes the concept of time dilation and length contraction of co-moving objects in relativity.I probably will, if I run across anyone else who might be able to discuss it. I'm scared to do it with you. You'll just pick it apart and not answer it anyway.
But, like I said. You were very helpful even though your post was running a different train of thought.Nice. There's no need to fabricate stories. I did answer your question.
The train of thought was you asking about time and me answering the question.
If you had a different train of thought, then you obviously were looking for something different and not an answer to your question.
And then, you'll need to explain exactly what train of thought you were referring so as not to waste everyone's time with what they might guess as to your train of thought.Ok. I'll try. But Double Scorpion threw me for a loop with his answer.
I figure time is expanding, and I was visualizing something different, but I thought maybe we look at time in a linear way because we can't see far enough to perceive the arc. Science makes leaps and bounds, but with every advancement we make time expands that much further, staying just out of reach of our ability to get the answers. Time dilation does factor into that, because we obviously have figured that much out.
Anyway, the ripple example goes along with something I read, something James said and Kess touched on earlier. I think maybe reality will cease, as we perceive it once the ripple of time or reality we're on runs its course. Everything will just settle back into the form it was before the big bang or the big hand, or whatever started the process. It will just be still waters like it started out as, so to speak.
Call me crazy.
Edit: son of a gun. I didn't rephrase the question. Did I? Sorry. But that was my train of thought. Reality is expanding just ahead of our ability to catch up to find the most intriguing answers. And part of me wonders if somehow it was set up that way. Which is the part I assume you'll shred me apart on.
Oh, and the problem with your answer was you were saying what we know. Not scratching your head on what we don't. Which is ok. That's your style.
That was cute. I think I'm immigrating to Saturn when the next ship flies out.
I know. I know. You scientific types are all so cute.
I'm simply talking about our perception of time in the confines of our reality. How we see it individually, and as the progression of our history. Where it began to where it will end. How it all ties in.
It is simply that patterns tend to repeat themselves throughout all we've learned of our reality. What pattern do you look at as the one that explains reality? Of course, I think time travel is possible, so I tend to try to see everything as wrapped around itself.
Somebody posted something about looking at it like a corkscrew. I find that an interesting concept.Calling me weird now, are you?
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
I don't think it's weird at all. Our reality has to have a pattern. Everything does. That being said, I'm not talking about patterns in history.
I don't see it as a question of the supernatural. I see it as a question on the makeup of our universe. I see no reason to believe that science won't eventually be able to provide information on this. I simply think we need another Einstein to turn us into a different direction for the search, or jog us ahead of where we're standing.You got my curiosity up. Couldn't wait until lunch. You're right. Great video. Thanks.
Watch out. If time is not linear, you may be forced to the inevitable conclusion that existence has "always" been here.
Sticking with your assumption then? K - Rather assumed you would. Get a bigger box.
No - the assumption that there was a beginning.
I like the way you think. Thousands of possibilities.
Time is a dynamic concept, which is used to denote two locations of an object. As with all concepts it requires a brain to conceive. Time require something with memory to remember the previous location, and to conceive it. Hence yo can say it is linear, as walking back will not make time go back. As time is not an object, it does not affect anything. To be precise it is the change that we call time! As it is not an object it will not dilate or contract.As space is not an object, they never interact either.
So to make it short, time is linear or should I say forward as memories are recorded one after the other. Time will end the moment all beings(Video cameras included)with memory end. For our universe there is nothing called time!Yes. I assumed we would all take that as a given. We'll call that concept 'my bad'. I was actually trying to find out how others perceived it. I would be interested in your thoughts.
Ok. I guess you're right. We all die sometime. But, the way I figure it is we've got one of two options. Either we die and the answers are given, or we die and we're dead. I like answers, so to be on the safe side I'll keep on thinking about it, even though I'm sure it will end as idle speculation.
- zampanoposted 13 years ago0
"There's no time like old times..."
Since imagination is the most important ingredient in developping theories, I tell you boys, that time doens't "move" in circles.
It moves rather in spirals.
It is measured by earth's rotation, and one rotation equals 1 day, that is 24 hours. And 1 hour equals 15 degrees of longitude. At the latitude zero (earth's equator) it means about 900 nautical miles. Each hour, we travel 900 miles. And the police can't do nothing about that.
So, time and space are intimately linked. But the earth moves around the sun and the sun moves or spins around the milky way, "our" galaxy, in its journey towards vega.
Here on earth, when the day is done after a complete rotation, each point of the earth has been travelling across new points in space. Meaning that the rotating earth's movement is a composite movements like a turning screw, since the earth follows the sun.
So, even though we make a complete circular rotation each day, we're never back to the same point in space at midnight (relatively to an absolute referencial).
Spirals have indeed a great role in the universe as we perceive it.
So, neither time nor space should be linear, but composite.
And this composite ingredient is the salt of life.
Of course, if we've had enough drinking we could easily switch to a methaphysical range... That is the question I answered, yet you weren't satisfied. I think it doesn't matter what I say, you will just toss it aside. Clearly, you aren't actually here to learn anything or get your questions honestly answered.
Oh, please don't look at it that way. I was wrong anyway. And, for that, I apologize. You have no idea how helpful your answer was.
I was, at first, just looking for other ideas. I wasn't looking at it like you were. But your post made me put two and two together. It's actually moved me forward in a way I hadn't expected. I thought I was just pondering, but now I see that once I get a firm grasp on the question it can possibly boil down to a mathematical equation. Which is pretty cool.
Won't prove anything of import, I'm sure, but I made a step forward thanks to the fact that you stand firmly grounded in reality. So thanks, and honestly, you have my sincerest apology if it looked like I was blowing your answer off. That was not my intent. I'm simply scared of you. I'm always expecting an attack move whenever we're posting in the general vicinity of one another. I suppose I was in defense mode and I was wrong.
Time exists. It's only boundary is reality.
Reality exists outsides of any thoughts, desires, will or wishes. Which means that it is outside of self and has nothing to do with your inner workings.
Wherever reality exists, so does time.
JC there are symposiums, lectures and discussions on the subject of time, the beginning of the universe, (13.7 billion years ago) what made us, when and how we came on the scene etc by Lawrence Krauss, who has won awards for his capacity to explain it all in layman's terms.
If you search him you will find his full series on BBC as well.
Science has to validate all such theories across all the scientific and mathematical disciplines to be able to present theories that are robust. none of these theories were gained by believing in "truth" without testing its validity.
If you even watch one of his lectures, it will give you a good basis for some of this discussion.Time is granular,existing one grain at a time,embedded in space and therefore inconsistent.Time is a figment of the imagination and exists so that everything doesn't happen at once.The illusion of time units and the consistency of time is there only so Rolex can charge $100,000 dollars for a watch when they know the impossibility of the question...What time is It?
All is just an explanation of nature, scientists do it rationally, while religion, irrationally!
Ah, but it isn't moving away from a central point if all objects in the universe are moving away from each other, in that regard, we can then say that either all points in the universe are the center, or none of them are.
Yes that is true, if we backtrack all the objects in the universe to a central point in a void.
We can also look at that central point to be the entire universe, in other words, the central point IS the universe, hence when it expands the central point IS still the entire universe, or every point in the universe is the central point, or none at all.As well, from within the universe we cannot find a central point of expansion as all points WERE the points of origin.
Its getting better!
All "points" in nothing, producing something!
I wonder why it stopped that 13.7 billion years ago, the seeds of nothing might have run out of stock!
The great science of 21st century. I bow my head in front this wisdom.(I'll ask the so many gods, if I see them, to do the same. After all singularities are so rare, it should be greater than Mr.God of gods).This is interesting. People talking science appear to be separate sects. Just like religion. Are you playing the role of the fundamentalist today?
It sure would be nice to know what it is you're talking about as you appear to be quite excited in hearing yourself talk.
Interesting thought.
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