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Why don't Christians still sacrifice their first born?

  1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
    Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago

    1. God told Moses to sacrifice the first born of humans and animals to him.
    1The Lord said to Moses:
    2Consecrate to me all the firstborn; whatever is the first to open the womb among the Israelites, of human beings and animals, is mine. (Gen. 13:1-2)
    The association of humans with animals makes it clear that these firstborn humans are not being baptized or inducted into the priesthood.
    2. To commemorate their liberation from Egypt, Moses told the people to remember this day. -This was the motive behind the sacrificial killings.
    3And Moses said to the people, "Remember this day, in which you came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage, for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place; no leavened bread shall be eaten. (Gen. 13:3)
    3. Set apart to the Lord, the firstborn of livestock and your firstborn sons for redemption. When your child asks, what does it mean? You tell them it was because of Pharaoh's stubbornness, God killed the firstborn in Egypt. Therefore I sacrifice to the Lord my firstborn son for redemption.

    1. Jeff Berndt profile image87
      Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Some of us also eat shrimp and get tattoos. What's your point?

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        And you are comparing getting a tattoo to killing your first born, how?

        1. Jeff Berndt profile image87
          Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Well, there's a commandment that says "Don't get tattooed," and oanother that says "Don't eat shrimp," and you just posted a commandment that you interpret as "God says you have to kill your firstborn."
          I thought you knew that we were talking about biblical commandments. You started the discussion, after all.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I think his point is - no Christians actually follow the bible. Which makes it rather hard to stomach the constant barrage of "righteousness."

            wink

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So it seems.

          2. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
            Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I suppose you are right. One sin will get you into hell as well as another. A tattoo is obviously as sinful as not killing your own kids. I can see how you might believe that.

            So when did Jesus tell you you could get tattoos and stop sacrificing your first born? You are after all just a sect of Jews.

            1. Jeff Berndt profile image87
              Jeff Berndtposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              "A tattoo is obviously as sinful as not killing your own kids. I can see how you might believe that."

              Well, someone might believe that, but I don't. There's also a commandment that says that when two guys have sex we're supposed to stone them both to death. I'm not going to do that any more than I'm going to forgo eating delicious delicious shrimp or kill my firstborn son.
              "So when did Jesus tell you you could get tattoos and stop sacrificing your first born?"
              He didn't. But he did tell us that we'd be forgiven for not being able to follow all the commandments (and most people can't, whether they want to or not). The forgiveness is what's key.

              You seem to think that Christianity is ridiculous. That's cool. Certain Christians sometimes make the rest of us look like jerks by association. But what can you do? Me, I try to oppose the jerks who try to hurt others using Jesus as the excuse for their sadism. Much the same way a lot of Christians, members of other faiths, and non-theists do.

              Or were you hoping that I'd get all angry at you for pointing out inconsistencies in the Bible? Dude, I know they're there. I'm not one of the "inerrant literal word of God" crowd. But since none of them seem to be around, if you want, I can get all indignant and holier-than-thou, and tell you you're going to Hell unless you see the light, but I still love you. Would that be a better fit for the vision you have of Christians? smile

    2. amymarie_5 profile image85
      amymarie_5posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Interesting isn't it?  People like to choose what to believe and what to ignore in the bible. I think Abraham was supposed to sacrifice Jacob to god and he was about to kill the boy until god said it was all a test to see if Abraham really loved god.  There are a few problems with this story. First why would god need a sacrifice? Secondly if god is all knowing why would he need to test someone? Seems like god has some insecurity issues if he has to test people by making them kill their sons. Third, imagine how scarring that would be to a child when his own father tried to kill him.  Think about it.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image61
        Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I have thought about it. A surefire cure for Theism is to read the bible. None of these guys bother. They call themselves "Christian," ignore the bits they don't like and do as they please, secure in the knowledge that every one else is the sinner.

        This is why it causes so many conflicts. sad

        1. Druid Dude profile image60
          Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ignorance causes conflicts, and you have the understanding of a nit.

      2. mecheil profile image60
        mecheilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        isaac, not jacob. it seems you are very familiar of the scriptures.

    3. DoubleScorpion profile image80
      DoubleScorpionposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God traded Moses the Firstborn for the Levites and some cash in Numbers 3:44-48. The money, 5 sheckels for each of the 273 that was left over went to Aaron and his sons.

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Christians have never sacrificed their firstborn. Your question is ludicrous, besides being worded badly. What about NEW testament don't you understand. The event you are fixating on was even before the foundation of Israel, before Moses. You look back too much, you might suffer the same fate as Lot's wife.

        1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          How can it be before Moses when it is directed to him? Are you sure you read the script?

          1. Druid Dude profile image60
            Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Aren't you referring to Abraham? Before Moses.

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No. I wasn't. Read the first post in the thread.

        2. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
          Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          When did Jesus tell us to stop sacrificing our kids? I can't find that passage in the NT. wink

          1. Druid Dude profile image60
            Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Where in the world are you reading ? Name the passage chap and verse.

            1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
              Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Read the first post in this thread.

              1. Druid Dude profile image60
                Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Gen 13:1-2 says this: "And ABRAM (Abraham) went up out of Egypt, and his wife, and all that he had and Lot went with him into the south
                   And ABRAM was very rich with cattle, silver, and gold." That's it NOT Moses, Abram(Abraham) This doesn't say anything like what you are claiming. You better toss out the book you are reading, because it is obviously NOT the bible.

                1. Druid Dude profile image60
                  Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Exodus is about Moses.

                2. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Exodus 13 sorry. my mistake

                  1And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

                  2Sanctify unto me all the firstborn, whatsoever openeth the womb among the children of Israel, both of man and of beast: it is mine.

                  3And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.

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      Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      because they'd end up in jail!  take andrea yates - she 'sacrificed' all her children because she thought they had the devil in them

      1. Druid Dude profile image60
        Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        She was deceived from within her own psyche. Son Of Sam Complex "My neighbor's dog told me to do it." Christians call it Lying Spirits. Exactly what I've been talking about all along.

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          Baileybearposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          that's why I don't believe in all the demon possession stuff - I reakon it's their own head

          1. Druid Dude profile image60
            Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It is the internal armageddon. Darkness or evil comes from the human mind. So does light and goodness. We are our own demons, and we are our own messiah. We can heal ourselves. It is all locked in the sub-conscious. It is a personal battle that she lost miserably. Modern culture knows very little about this. They're so hung up on Freud and Jung that they can't see that this is our nature, and we need to understand what is going on in our own brains. This is the path to our future.

        2. Friendlyword profile image61
          Friendlywordposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          So Abraham was a schizo child murderer?

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      SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Do you know what the word consecrate means?

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Sure. So what are you saying?

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          SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Consecrate in no way means sacrifice.

          1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
            Jesus was a hippyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Its nice to see you conversing instead of spamming the page with bible verses for a change.

          2. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
            Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            It does mean sacrifice. What were they going to do with the animals? Same as the first born kids. It means kill them. Why are you so shocked?

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              SirDentposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Why do you twist what is written to mean something other than what it says?  Consecrate means to set aside for service or dedicate to God.

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                paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                I think SirDent is right; as Jesus' grandmother set aside Mary for the service of the Creator-God or dedicated her for the service of the Creator-God; this seem to be reasonable.

                1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
                  Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Actually I think a couple of people have been right.  In the Hebrew Torah it says sanctify, not consecrate. However, having now read it in the Hebrew Torah rather than the Christian bible it is a little clearer to me.

                  God does tell Moses that the first born sons were his and were to be sacrificed. But Moses says he redeemed his sons. So that seems to mean that he substituted something for his son or payed something so his son would not be killed. 

                  However it never says god tells them to do that, though I suppose it is assumed. What god is said to have told Moses is very clear. He killed the first born of the Egyptians and the price for that was the first born of the Jews.

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                    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    It is again the scribes; the Creator-God never tells his prophets messenger to kill any person of any nation

                  2. mecheil profile image60
                    mecheilposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    sacrifice don't always mean killing, brian. it could mean other faith and love-driven efforts. some kings of israel didn't even receive god's favor when they acted like the other nations, bowing down to idols, sacrificing children, doing sex in front of idols as part of religious rituals, etc.

    6. Disappearinghead profile image85
      Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You haven't read the whole book have you.

      Though the first born children were belonged to God this did not mean they were to be sacrificed. God tells Israel that they were to be redeemed by substitution of an animal sacrifice. Surely you can't be so stupid to believe God expected Israel to kill their first born children in sacrifice or is this some innate post designed to wind people up?

      When God told Abram to sacrifice his son Jacob, God had no intention that Abram should carry it through, hence He provide a substitute ram. What was it all about? It was prophetic. By the terns if the covenant between God and Abram God was binding Himself to sacrifice His son for mankind. If Abram was prepared to sacrifice Jacob for God then God was bound to sacrifice His son for Abram's descendants.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I've read the whole book in several different versions at one time or another. I now try to read the Jewish Torah instead to get some clarification of the sloppy job the English Christian  translators have done.

        But you are right, as I said in a previous post. While it is clear that god tells Moses that the first born of Israel are to be sacrificed, Moses tells us they were redeemed, probably meaning a lamb or what ever was sacrificed in their place.

        But I do not see where god tells them to do that, only where Moses says that's what they are doing.

        However, god doesn't seem to mind human sacrifice as is shown in several verses:   Ezek. 20

        25Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not have life;
        26and I defiled them through their very gifts in making them offer by fire all their first-born, that I might horrify them; I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.

        Nice god you have.

        1. Disappearinghead profile image85
          Disappearingheadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You must be deliberately not understanding this. Read the whole of Ezekiel 20 and you will see that God is speaking about Israel's following after pagan practices for generation after generation which included child sacrifice to these pagan God's, a total abomination to Him. By the time He gets to 25 & 26 He has had enough and let's them get on with it, leaving them in their depravity that they might wake up to the horrors of it all. These child sacrifices were not to God but to pagan idols.

          Look up 2 Chronicles 28 & 33 and you will see that God's anger was against those who practice child sacrifice.

          I can't believe I'm even responding here. You post must be a wind up surely as nobody could be so wilfully blind.

          1. Mark Knowles profile image61
            Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Come on. This book is one of the most obscure books ever written. You guys have been fighting about it since it was written. You are still fighting over what your Invisible Super Being was supposed to have said today - even though no one can see or hear it.

            Talk about willfully blind. sad

          2. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
            Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Sorry. But he claims responsibility for it. Are you calling your god a liar?

    7. profile image69
      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Did Moses or Aaron kill their firstborn son or daughter?

      They never did.

      Did Jesus kill his first born son or daughter?

      Christians believe Jesus never married.

      Do you mean God's instruction were not for Moses, Aaron and Jesus?

      1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
        Jesus was a hippyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hey, you said it.

        cool

        1. profile image69
          paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Nevermind; I never said that.

    8. christicue profile image75
      christicueposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Following is the definition of the word consecrated, the Hebrew word Qadash, used in Genesis 13:

      to consecrate, sanctify, prepare, dedicate, be hallowed, be holy, be sanctified, be separate
      (Qal)
      to be set apart, be consecrated
      to be hallowed
      consecrated, tabooed
      (Niphal)
      to show oneself sacred or majestic
      to be honoured, be treated as sacred
      to be holy
      (Piel)
      to set apart as sacred, consecrate, dedicate
      to observe as holy, keep sacred
      to honour as sacred, hallow
      to consecrate
      (Pual)
      to be consecrated
      consecrated, dedicated
      (Hiphil)
      to set apart, devote, consecrate
      to regard or treat as sacred or hallow
      to consecrate
      (Hithpael)
      to keep oneself apart or separate
      to cause Himself to be hallowed (of God)
      to be observed as holy
      to consecrate oneself

      Check out these links to the Interlinear Bible.  One is for the chapter of Exodus 13 and the other is the definition of the word Qadash, you find above.  Hope this helps clarify your confusion on this matter.
      http://www.biblestudytools.com/interlin … &t=kjv
      http://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons … adash.html

    9. superwags profile image80
      superwagsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      God, don't remind some of the fundies on here, they might just do it to get closer to heaven!

    10. mohitmisra profile image55
      mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This  has depth, many spiritual context cannot be taken literary.
      I would say it means that as long as one has any attachment then they cannot have god.The first born is very often the most precious for the parents,the biggest attachment.

      One needs to drop all attachments for God, as long as you desire something he will not stop you.

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        paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        [3:93] Never shall you attain to righteousness unless you spend out of that which you love; and whatever you spend, Allah surely knows it well.

        http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=92

        1. mohitmisra profile image55
          mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Read it Paarsurrey, too many passages of praise with few of wisdom.
          I met someone in Pune who says the copy of the Quran his ancestors left behind is different from the present one, has been altered a lot. Something I have been saying all along.

      2. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Wow. Hate your kid so you can love god. Sounds a bit sick

    11. Dave Mathews profile image61
      Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      First of all man never sacrificed the children ever to God. God requested the first born of animals like sheep or goat or cattle but never human. Secondly you didn't read the Bible correctly and you quoted it wrongly.

      1. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
        Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        How did I quote it wrongly?

  2. AEvans profile image65
    AEvansposted 6 years ago

    If Christians sacrificied their firstborn then I wouldn't be here to write my opinion. lolololo ! big_smile

    1. Druid Dude profile image60
      Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      This is what happens when someone takes someone else's word for what is written. Read it, then you'll know what's in it.

    2. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      so when did god tell them they could stop killing the first born?

      1. AEvans profile image65
        AEvansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        After kiling Pharaoh's firstborn. I often wonder why all of us have these discussions when the information is on the Internet. big_smile Aahhhh that's right debate! smile

        1. Druid Dude profile image60
          Druid Dudeposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          It is a well known fact that human sacrifice was practiced in different cultures at different times in history. As near as I know, Abraham was stopped by God from sacrificing his son. END of story. Abraham lived several generations before Moses. Pharoah's firstborn was killed by the hand of God to convince Pharoah to let the Israelites go free. That concludes this service on this subject. Next Sunday, we'll discuss when it was that we started wearing fig leaves and why we're not doing it anymore.

          1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
            Jesus was a hippyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Well, if you're on that topic, aboriginal tribes dont seem to be ashamed of being naked. Neither do many people from third world countries.

            Dont you think it a little odd that the bible, from the very beginning, contains a very western concept of wearing clothes?

          2. AEvans profile image65
            AEvansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile

    3. Slarty O'Brian profile image88
      Slarty O'Brianposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I take it from your little pic that you are female. You were safe. Only males got sacrificed. God didn't want girls.

      1. AEvans profile image65
        AEvansposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        I am so glad!lolololo! big_smile Whew, I am safe! Yippeeee! big_smile

  3. profile image69
    paarsurreyposted 6 years ago

    Why don't Christians still sacrifice their first born?

    I think it is the scribes; the Creator-God never said to anybody to kill first born or even second or third etc born humans.

    Moses, Aaron, Mary and Jesus did not kill their any-number of human born. Did they?

  4. Jerami profile image73
    Jeramiposted 6 years ago

    To put it more simply,  Samsons mother sacriiced him unto the Lord.  sacriice doesn't necessarily imply death.   Does it?

  5. Jonathan Janco profile image74
    Jonathan Jancoposted 6 years ago

    Consecrate means 'to make sacred'

  6. LeanMan profile image82
    LeanManposted 6 years ago

    I think he would have preferred a nice mince pie and a glass of sherry, just like Santa!

  7. Greek One profile image77
    Greek Oneposted 6 years ago

    if we did that, who will mow the lawn??

    1. Beelzedad profile image57
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      No one gets near my John Deere. smile

      1. Greek One profile image77
        Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        or my Pedro Martinez (neighborhood illegal immigrant whom I pay $5 to cut my 3 acre field)

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          lol

          What does the poor buggar have to cut it with?

          1. Greek One profile image77
            Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I'm not a micro manager... i give him the task and let him figure it out and do it while i work on my hubs

            1. Mark Knowles profile image61
              Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I would be using a can of gasoline and a match so you better be careful. big_smile

              1. Greek One profile image77
                Greek Oneposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Nah, Pedro is cool.. plus i know where he lives...

                in the shed where I keep all the other garden supplies

  8. thisisoli profile image54
    thisisoliposted 6 years ago

    The bible is fun to read, I read new and old testaments again at my last stint in hospital.

    Any Christian who denies picking and choosing is in deep denial.

    The fact is that the bible is simply outdated in todays world, it is impossible to live sin-free.

    As to the new testament superceeding the old testament.. All Jesus talks about is how you should worship God, not him. He even talks about worshiping false idols, if you worship Jesus rather than God you are automatically worshiping a false idol, commiting the worst sin possible.

    Least thats how it seems to me.  (As to Jesus and God being one and the same, I have no idea how anyone who has read the bible can take that one seriously).

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      paarsurreyposted 6 years ago in reply to this
  9. LeeWalls profile image60
    LeeWallsposted 6 years ago

    "For God loved the world so much that he gave his onlybegotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life." John 3:16

    When you question Christians sacrificing their first-born, you're talking about the Mosaic Law. When Jesus Christ came to earth that ended and it became the Messianic Law. He was sacrificed for mankind, there isn't a need to sacrifice first borns.

    1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
      Jesus was a hippyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Why is there a need to sacrifice ANYONE?

      I can forgive people that I dont love without them sacrificing someone for me. Why can't an ALL LOVING god do that?

      In order for him to forgive you, someone that he loves has to die for you?

      No offence but that is such baloney it is laughable.

      1. mohitmisra profile image55
        mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No he is giving you the freedom of desires, the god within you creates desires, these thoughts manifest in this existence.

        Its a game you are playing with yourself .You are god and being one with the light is pure ecstasy , supreme bliss but as long as you desire it will manifest.

        So it basically means ability to detach and not kill.

        1. Mark Knowles profile image61
          Mark Knowlesposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          LOLOL

          Your understanding is rather limited to the physical plane Mo.

          One day you may understand - but - not yet, not yet.

        2. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
          Jesus was a hippyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          What are you talking about? I adressed that post to a christian. Clearly you are not one so my post is as totally irrelevant to you as your answer is to me.

          1. mohitmisra profile image55
            mohitmisraposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I love the philosophy of Jesus, totally agree with him, giving you an answer. smile

      2. LeeWalls profile image60
        LeeWallsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Maybe if you understood it you wouldn't say it's baloney or find it laughable.

        In order to right a wrong something has to be done. Adam who was perfect sinned; they felt it was better for to act INDEPENDENTLY instead of obeying Jehovah God who was and is the Sovereign Ruler. How would you feel if your children did that to you?

        Since they were sentenced to old age, illness and death Jehovah sent Jesus Christ to die for mankind;  Jesus was perfect like Adam and he obeyed his Father; Adam could've done the same thing but he chose not to.

        "That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned." Romans 5:12

        All of us benefit from his sacrifice even those that think it's baloney and laugh and those that take it to heart and understand the meaning behind it.

        1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
          Jesus was a hippyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I understand the concept of sacrifice thank you very much, it is not rocket science.



          Does it?



          Well, If they didnt know what right or wrong was (like adam and eve before they ate from the tree of KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL) then it wouldnt bother me atall since they dont know any better.



          Are you actually going to answer the question how someone dying for SOMEONE ELSES wrong doing can make anything right? Would you set a murderer free if the most righteous person in the country sacrificed his life to set him free? What a ridiculous concept.



          What a load of archaic crap. Death does not make anything ok.



          How do I benefit? I dont have eternal life now do I? I still have the same punishment of death and illness because of what ADAM did.

          This is the biggest load of ridiculous nonsense that ever spread the planet and I am embarassed to be of the same species as someone who believes that someone dying makes wrongs, right
          even though the death of jesus did NOTHING.

          We still die.

          1. LeeWalls profile image60
            LeeWallsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            First of all you don't have to get so defensive and angry. You're embarrassed to be of the same species? Excuse me I didn't mean to make you so angry to the point that you actually have to insult someone with your words.

            You still die because you're imperfect, that's why. Apparently you didn't read the scripture right or choose to retaliate like you're doing.

            You don't have eternal life now but you will because of the sacrifice, you have the same punishment like Adam because everyone after him received the same thing, and if you want to blame anyone blame Satan; he's the God of this system of things and that's why we age, get sick and die.

            1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
              Jesus was a hippyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Right, right, because punishing ME for something that someone ELSE did is perfectly acceptable.

              You cant even see how sick and unjust the whole concept is.

              As for you impying that I cant understand the simple notion of sacrifice, thats pretty much an insult to my intelligence.

              1. LeeWalls profile image60
                LeeWallsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Did you forget everything you said? Why don't you go back and read what you wrote; you insulted me without evening knowing me.

                It's very easy to offend a person behind a computer, but people forget that a computer doesn't give them the right to say whatever they want to another human being.

                I'm sorry you feel the way you do, however I will not do this back and forth  knowing how you feel; I have stated my case and wish you well.

                1. Jesus was a hippy profile image60
                  Jesus was a hippyposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I insulted you? So? What did you infer when you said I dont understand the simple concept of sacrifice?

                  Of course you will focus on this rather then the topic at hand which is why the hell should I be punished for what adam did and how the hell is that just?

                  Dont worry, I dont expect you understand.....

  10. manlypoetryman profile image69
    manlypoetrymanposted 6 years ago

    Hey Slarty...there are Christians on the planet...Get over it!

 
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