Seek and You Shall Find....

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   schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years ago

   If you're lost and actually want to find out if there is a God, like Jesus, then this video is for you: The Case for Faith by Lee Strobel. My latest hub is about that.
   
   But if you're just here to make fun or try and convince yourself over and over there is no God, go ahead but,
   
   This is to point out, IF you are agnostic or confused, this is a highly recommended video or the book, I've never seen it put like this before, oh and read my hub, there's lots of good quotes from the movie

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      Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Just in case anyone is interested in why Lee Strobels book "The case for faith" would be more aptly titled "The case against faith" you can visit full refutations of his claims here.
      
      http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ … robel.html

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         schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         not surprised

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            Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            If you're not surprised that Lee Strobels arguments have been refuted already then maybe you already knew they were weak, easily refuted arguements.

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               schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               no, I'm just not surprised you have an argument against them

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      Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Here's the thing schoolgirlforreal. You offer a video in which Strobel claims a god exists. You obviously did not put the video up for critique based on your own words and did it as a statement of faith; preaching.
      
      And, when some refutations of Strobel are presented, you don't even bother to read them and just dismiss them out of hand.
      
      But, what you failed to understand because you didn't read the refutations is that Strobel is being dishonest in his approach to argue his case. As well, fallacies are pointed out in his logic, not just in his claims of a god existing, but also the reasoning he uses to justify the belief. In other words, it's not so much his argument is being criticized for the existence of a god, but more to do with how he got to that conclusion.
      
      You say you have found the truth and others are ignorant because they have not done so, ignoring the fact that the truth based on Strobel is just as disingenuous and dishonest as your posting of the argument and follow up remarks.

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         schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I just don't want to argue.

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               Beelzedadposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Then, you should have never wrote the following words in your OP because they accomplish little more than invite argument.
               
               

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      paarsurreyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus was not a god or son of god; he was Son of Man/woman called Mary:
      
      [36] But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone. [37] And as in the days of Noe, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. [38] For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noe entered into the ark, [39] And they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be. [40] Then two shall be in the field: one shall be taken, and one shall be left.
      
      http://www.drbo.org/x/d?b=drb&bk=47 … &f=s#x

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   Seek and You Shall Find That You Go Blind.

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   schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years ago

   funny stuff
   not!

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   Stevennix2001posted 12 years ago

   In order for one to seek and find out something means that one would have to accept that they may or may not always like what they find. After all, not everyone is always willing to embrace the truth for whatever it may be.

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      Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      People constantly don't accept answers to questions, so they dress up whatever they believe as a truth.
      
      Proving once and for all, ignorance is blissful.

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         Stevennix2001posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Yep, you got that right, as I don't think I could've said it better.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      yeah but it's ignorant to not know the truth for not only will the truth set you free you won't wind up somewhere unprepared!

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         Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Are you hinting at Pascals wager? I dont think I need to refute that one surely?
         
         As for you expecting me to have a refutation for Lee Strobel, all I can say is this. If an argument is irrefutable, then noone can refute it. Evidently, Lee Strobels arguments hold less water then a colander.

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            Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            And, has just as many holes as a colander.

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            pascal? ?? no.
            there's always too sides just like on and off, light and dark, god and the devil, heaven and hell
            one cannot exist without the other!!!

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               Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               God and the devil are a myth. Heaven and hell are also myths, and dark is not the opposite of light. It is what results when you have a lack of light.

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                  Cagsilposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I couldn't have said it better myself.

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                  aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Great post!
                  God IS LIGHT, and all those without God, are ...what did you just say?
                  
                  It seems your own intelligence is working against you.
                  Oh well. I'm glad to be ignorant, delusional and altogether mad.

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                     Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     God can be whatever you want him to be. He's your belief afterall.

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                        aka-djposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        It's IN THE BOOK.
                        Give me that much respect, please.
                        If it were just my opinion, you would be correct!

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                           Jesus was a hippyposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I know its in the book, but I'm not making the mistake of assuming that people believe everything thats in the book.
                           
                           You and I both know that people pick and choose what they want to beleive is real and what they want to believe is a metaphor or a story to illustrate something.

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         Stevennix2001posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I don't disagree. I think to not want to know the truth is naive and ignorant of anyone.  However, all I'm saying is that sometimes the truth may not always be what we want to hear.  That's all I was getting at.  After all, there's a reason why some people ask, "What's worse?  A beautiful lie that draws a smile?  Or an ugly truth that draws a tear?"  Quoting the classic "Miracle on 34th Street" film.

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            hmm well, I found out the truth and it's wonderful!

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               Stevennix2001posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Well then you're definitely one of the lucky few then.   By the way, did you ever get my response on the "Stallone not directing the next expendables film" post?

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                  schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  no! I'll check now

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            schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            So you're definitely not seeking...how sad!

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               Stevennix2001posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I never said that.  I was just stating an opinion that's all, and a philosophy that I highly believe in.  Plus, I was speaking merely in generalities when I said that, as not everyone is always willing to see the truth for what it is.  That's why I said in order to seek the truth, then one must be willing to accept it may not always be what we want to hear or believe. 
               
               However, if we're speaking specifically in regards to the truth about religion, then to answer your question, yes I'm looking for answers on that.  Probably more so than I let most people know.  However, I know in the end, the only person who can discover the answer is myself, so I don't expect anyone to provide the answers for me, as somethings are best explored alone.  If that makes sense.

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                  schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, I understand, sorry for misinterperting you.

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   Stevennix2001posted 12 years ago

   Well for what it's worth Schoolgirl, I think what you're doing by telling people about your new hub is a great idea; especially for those that are confused about their own beliefs.  Therefore, I hope you'll receive some many positive responses for it.

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      schoolgirlforrealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      thankyou steven.
      you're always a good egg, that's why I've always liked you [as a person of course]
      I always felt you were curious....I hope it helps too, I'm not usually into advising people but the subject speaks for itself.
      As for your personal beliefs, yes it's up to you, and thankyou for commenting.

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