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Something to Agree on For Believers and Non-Believers?

  1. Quirinus profile image66
    Quirinusposted 6 years ago

    Do you believe that making this world a better place by the life they live is something that could be considered a worthwhile pursuit by atheists and theists alike?  How do these two groups differ in the practice of that pursuit?  Is the difference if any explainable by their belief or non-belief?

    1. BizGenGirl profile image88
      BizGenGirlposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Most Atheists that I know or have met, are very good people and would probably agree that making the world a better place through how they live their lives, is a good idea.

      I don't think your belief or non-belief in a higher power makes any difference. It's a personal thing.

    2. Joann1234 profile image60
      Joann1234posted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am confused on what parties are believers and non Believers. I need to address to my pastor !

    3. Greenwick profile image59
      Greenwickposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Living a good life is something people of all walks of life are concerned about.  Why you even have to ask whether or not atheists can agree to this is beyond me.

      Religions are a way of approaching the divine and the moral, but that doesn't mean they are the only way.  If the only reason a person follows a faith or a god is to have someone tell them how to be good, then they aren't actually good themselves, are they?  There has to be something more - the love of God, for instance - that draws people to faith.

    4. Jefacity profile image58
      Jefacityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      If theists stopped worrying about God so much and helped out the Earth. If the atheists quit ridiculing the believers then something might actually get accomplished.

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
        Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Can I say Amen lol smile

      2. Beelzedad profile image57
        Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        One would obviously follow the other, however it most likely won't happen due to the believers religious convictions of hating mankind due to sin and obedience to invisible gods. As long as those convictions stay true, mankind will always be on the precipice of extinction. smile

        1. Jefacity profile image58
          Jefacityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ah Beezeldad, being quite the pessimist, eh? Don't you think it's far more probable that humanity outgrows its own ignorance? My all embracing optimism only allows me to see a future where we all get along and sing campfire songs. Now I'm not deluded in the fact that the current picture of the Earth is a far sadder and more tragic story. The passage of time will create a species with more of our good qualities and less of our faults.

          1. Beelzedad profile image57
            Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Quite the contrary, actually.



            Not if religions stay the same as they are today. smile

            1. Jefacity profile image58
              Jefacityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              all things are bound to change

              1. Beelzedad profile image57
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                And yet, after centuries and centuries, mankind is still being lead around by religious doctrines of fantasy and delusion. Not much has changed. smile

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                  Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  AND improving their neighborhoods ,communities ,towns,and cities with compassion, service of loving help-often making huge differences for families and individuals.

                  Many do not seek recognition,and I wish you could see them faithfully helping out fellow human beings.

                  I remember years ago working in this cafe ,that shared the same building of this church and over time I got to know many of the church people involved in ministries - Christian workers,single mums, ex drug/alcoholics, mental health etc.

                  They all drank coffee together ,ate lunch then listened to one another.

                  That picture was like many all over the world ,that is the real truth Beezle

                  Real people helping real people and not pointing fingers at one another ,mocking or causing discord.

                  R

                  1. Beelzedad profile image57
                    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    None of that has anything to do with your faith. You see mankind as evil and sinful while I see it as compassionate and altruistic. Your examples are hogwash in light of your beliefs.



                    The cemeteries are filled with the truth of your religion.



                    Exactly, people, not religions. smile

      3. heavenbound5511 profile image76
        heavenbound5511posted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Jefacity-

        You said we should stop worrying about God? Really? That means stop trying to live a life that honors God. That's the first wrong move humans have done and look at all the chaos because of the lack of honoring and reverential fear of towards God has brought us to.
        So are we to love sin more than God to our own demise? We as a whole don't honor our  parents anymore either and look at the broken families and rebellious kids sining against there parents- and what to there own demise because a lot of them die in disobedience from there bad choices! I am relating this to dishonoring your heavenly father- God.
        How miserable do we have to become to realize we actually need God and to call on Him and repent-turn from our wicked ways that have and are continuing to cause are own problems.
        Duet 28 tells us what is going to happen to those who honor God and those that don't-sowing and reaping my dear is what it is called. Honor and serve God and he will bless your life, don't than don't complain when it gets so hard because you refused to let God help you!

        The goal to be accomplished is to spread the love of Jesus, the gospel of Jesus to a dying world not to help the earth but the people on earth which in turn will effect the earth. Sin and lack of the love and respect for God is how and why this earth is in it's state of getting worse and worse.
        God is the one that we go to for change and Jesus died so we all can have the same right & so we can approach God without our sins getting in the way.
        With God all things are possible and without God all evil is possible and it would run it's course leaving us all without hope, evil upon, evil. God is the one that saves us from self destruction and leads us into the truth that will set us free. God answers us when we refuse to give up and bow down to sin- without faith it is impossible to please God. we have to believe and expect that he will help us and that God does reward us for trusting him & and consistently seeking His will and plan! What God promises he does!
        Now here's something that would be helpful to agree on and that would truly change us!
        God bless you smile

    5. thisisoli profile image54
      thisisoliposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      yes, I think both groups should follow bettering life for everyone, indeed many people from every religion/non-religion do try to make life better for others.

      Religion both helps and interferes with this.

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      kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      roll

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        tongue

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          kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          oh ya baby21um .... eh....uhg.....oh..yes...yes...yes


          just sayin  lol

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            :: man, if my hubscore was just 20 points lower... wow, did it just got really warm in here ::

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              kimberlyslyricsposted 6 years ago in reply to this

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              tongue   tongue   tongue   tongue   tongue   tongue   tongue   tongue   tongue

              cool

  2. Dave Mathews profile image59
    Dave Mathewsposted 6 years ago

    I feel that every person on the planet would agree to doing what they can to make the earth, especially where they live a better place to live. One would have to be totally radically nuts not to want that.

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    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago

    Quirinus,

    For humanity to achieve this, they must abandon everything they have ever come to believe or disbelieve; abandon the concepts of good and evil; the knowledge of what is good versus what is not. If one agrees with the text, humanism IS the root of the entire problem...

    James.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I am a believer and I think there is good and bad in everyone smile

      I have no problem working alongside someone who doesnt think like me ( most of do anyway) and Im sure we all come from families that have pursued other interests smile

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        Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Hi love.
        Yes, I understand.
        What I was getting at was this: knowledge and/or action of what is good~bad, is where the whole problem began. It is that knowledge keeping humans in this crazy game of cat~mouse. A true and undeniable solution to it all is: altruism. I believe (and stand corrected) Immanu El said this: ...love another as yourself, in this you fulfill all the law and all the prophets...

        It would end all theology, all sciences, all beliefs or disbelief, IMO. smile

        James.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Ok I understand now smile thankyou.

          I was just meaning in my clumsy way ,that we are all the same in so much as we have the same needs.

          To love someone,to be loved and to be understood. smile

          (Two outta three aint bad)  lol

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            lol

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
              Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              So in line with the original question of this post.

              I suggest 'being loving; would seem a goal we all could aspire too -

              Some ways to show this are?

              1. Beelzedad profile image57
                Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Never evangelize your religion. Keep it behind closed doors and out of society. smile

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                  Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Beezle be proactive.

                  Dont be negative ,instead tell me how you would show love smile,another words dont preach it......do it smile

                  1. Beelzedad profile image57
                    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    You are the one doing the preaching, which is not showing love by any stretch of the imagination.

                    Being proactive would help you understand that. smile

                2. lizzieBoo profile image65
                  lizzieBooposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  Yes, lock it up and throw away the key, imprison it, suppress it, gag it! People should be forbidden to practice faith, nay, forbidden to even believe. People found believing in even so much as the tooth fairy should be locked up without trial. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU

                  1. Beelzedad profile image57
                    Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    That's not what I said. Reading comprehension issues? Read again. smile

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                Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Hi Kiwi.

                Ways to show this love -really the possibilities are endless.
                I might be repeating myself, so forgive me.

                We all share the common sense. We all know --and as I am stating emphatically (and weird, but also in another thread simultaneously) we all understand. We were designed to understand. Humanity just seems to be suffering from a bad case of [self imposed] Amnesia. I was just reiterating this to Merlin Fraser. It is like some kind of acute Dementia, a type of Alzheimer's.

                I believe the altruistic approach is the starting line. It pretty much encompasses not only the theistic view but believe it or not the original humanistic --now atheistic view. Simply abandon self above another, and provide whatever you are able to another human being without considering what or why, without self interest, compensation, sarcasm (one of my weaknesses) etc.

                James.

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                  Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I agree the possibilties are indeed endless.

                  Not sure that I would agree that humanism or atheism (nor Christianity) can take credit for the whole slice on humility though.

                  I am inclined to believe that love ,and its many branches are often found in the most humble and self sacrificing heart.
                  Difficult to see in its fullness here,but not impossible lol smile

                  I love the way you think ,not to be confused with agreeing ,just love the process or grace I see.

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                    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    And that is probably the best approach --a selfless heart.

                    No doubt, not one system can take credit or even provide credence, which is, to me, the undertone of them all. Each wants to claim rights to something no one really has rights to, but possesses (if that actually made any sense). Each is trying to dog pile the other and volley for the Prize : a power, position that any child can do --and in many cases do better-- than the collective "Borg Humanity".

                    ps, thanks?!

                    smile

                    James.

        2. cheaptrick profile image75
          cheaptrickposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          "Love thy neighbor"I do that allot James...but I always leave before her husband gets home from work...sometimes it's a real close call cause I Really really"Love"my neighbor.It's all in how we interpret it huh bro?

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            Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            You mean that tall, legs that go all the way to the floor, Russian blond woman? Yup. Hey, wait that's my wife!! Oh heck, love away my man.

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        Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Nicely said - and fabulous new profile pic, btw.  smile

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Lol ,thanks ,youre a honey for sayin so-see didnt I tell ya freckles have their place in Milan and Paris lol

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            Motown2Chitownposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            They're adorable ANYWHERE! smile

  4. Jo_Goldsmith11 profile image59
    Jo_Goldsmith11posted 6 years ago

    acceptance of who you are so that you have the ability to accept others.! great question!

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      I agree,I like that.

      I always try to look for the positives in people too smile

      I used to work with this guy who wasnt very popular (with anyone) he was loud ,obnixious,sometimes abrupt and rude BUT I discovered he had this delightful sense of humor lol...AND he made great coffee.

      Most people I find have other good qualities if we look smile

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Did you say COFFEEEE

        If you did brought all the major Religion together , they would agree on one thing!!!.

        Drum roll please,,,drrrr drrr drrr

        Each Religion will agree, they are the right Religion

        Hell on earth is still alive

        I still, love you all anyways

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Cappuccino or Latte ? smile

          I guess we all could agree to take care of the planet better( no matter who we think created ,or how it came about).

          We all live here ,will leave it, and pass it on to the next generation.

          I agree, as a species ,mankind tends to fight and be in a lot of conflict.
          There are some for example who feel the need to control,and then others who boast of 'higher knowledge' but me, I can follow and lead, depends on the task or goal smile

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I agree about taking better care of the planet
            I wish our natural environment was not such a distance second to greed

  5. Y. Kajitaka profile image59
    Y. Kajitakaposted 6 years ago

    Making the world a better place is definitely a noble pursuit even if you don't follow a religion.  However, the conflict on basic beliefs still eventually puts us at odds--Christians (just broadly for example) have a founding belief that God put man as a ruler over the earth, though our instructions were still to keep it with care.  It compares at odds with treehuggers who won't let us drill for oil because it's "killing life," (sorry, don't believe plants have a consciousness), and with animal rights activists who refuse to let us test new medicines on animals (which I do feel sorry in some ways, but the scientists surely try their best to keep it at "pain" and not "suffering"- there is a difference- and I am thankful to those animals because they are standing like a shield before humans and helping us search for cures).

    Now, that was a very long-winded example, but it's true.  T_T;  Sometimes I begin to wonder if animal rights activists are even going to protest synthetic fur, saying it'll give some animal mental trauma if they see it.  (have they started that one yet?  I'm not sure.)

    But coming down to it, yeah; if we put aside ALL the difference, we can even get along (just don't bring up theology, on purpose or otherwise.  8D )  Charities, etc. are great ways to get together and work for the betterment of mankind, and everyone can agree that such-and-such place is need of "blank", and cooperating long enough to accomplish said feat should be doable.

    (Afternote: *Should be*.  Then you have people like Beelzedad that like to pick fights over nothing.  T_T;  You have to be careful of those.)

    1. Beelzedad profile image57
      Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      Religious charities are only in it for the conversions, that is entirely their motive for doing good acts, so that the believers get in good with their gods, they don't really care anything for mankind.



      Felt compelled to lie about me? Terrible behavior. Typical for believers, though. smile

      1. Y. Kajitaka profile image59
        Y. Kajitakaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        No, you just kept dragging around the conversation until it got completely away from the original topic because you love to argue and put down.  I'm not going to be your partner for it this time, either, but I had to answer your original paragraph.

        I don't HAVE to please my God, because I believe that once God saves someone they never become "un-saved."  We can raise hell and water on earth after we're saved and still go to heaven, but that doesn't mean we will be rewarded for it.  Christians do good because when God saves them, it changes something inside their hearts, and they WANT to do good.  They want to obey God's commands and please him.  We don't have to "get in good" with him, because to God we are all equal regardless of money, fame, jobs, friends, or anything else of this world.

        I do what I do because I love God, and I want others to see and understand why, because then they'll love him too.  ^^  And even if you try to argue with me, I'm not going to answer, because I'm taking the email option off this post.  You just like to make a tick out of yourself, so have fun with it BY yourself.  ^^

        1. Beelzedad profile image57
          Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          I understand your need to be compelled to lie about that.



          You don't know if anyone has been saved.



          Utter nonsense. Christians are doing what they do to get in good with their gods. If that weren't true, then they wouldn't also believe mankind is sinful by nature. Sorry, but you're contradicting yourself again.



          Some more equal than others, obviously. What about the tens of thousands of starving children in the world each day?



          Exactly my point, thank you for confirming it.



          You aren't arguing because you're posts are full of contradictions and fallacies. And, you're left with attacking me personally as a result. Typical believer behavior. smile

        2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          You tell him girl!!

          Be encouraged 2/3rds of the remaining angels cheer you on smile

        3. Castlepaloma profile image23
          Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Y. Kajitaka

          Have you ever heard the cries of screaming lettuce? Neither have I, yet I would not be so one-sided or off balance to worry about. Not like the be all and end all of Jesus who is under the Sun of God. Humans are only one out of a million species on earth ,why don’t cut open a human to help the other million species, seem fair, it’ respectful to other life forms.

          There is a generally consensus that religious works hand and hand with world politics and tooled by militarily complexities. Is it a central belief amongst the main religions that nature was created by God? The Bible presents human dominance over nature as we are crippling ourselves by outrageous War budgets, where a small fraction of their budget could eliminate our poverty. Maybe we can agree on this,

          Can all religion agree on which religion is the one and only way to god, How many Christian members would there be, if the afterlife had no existence of hell? Fear and insecurity has overpowered our love and our true ethics in developing a friendlier World.

          The greatest threat to mankind is a nuclear war and natural man made environment crises. Thank God, excuse my expression; we still can express ourselves and not separate our love for most people on earth, Global public opinion is the only alternative super power and still the true leader of change for the better. Will all Environmental organisms on earth be a distance second priority to your one and only God? If our planet turns into a one big ball of burning crap by our own human hands, what good are your one and only God anyways?

          1. Y. Kajitaka profile image59
            Y. Kajitakaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Because when the world collapses in on itself (and actually, the Bible does say it will "pass away"), God will be the one we'll be facing.  Because if we were to die when the earth collapses, we'll either be seeing the literal Heaven or literal Hell.  If we don't accept a saving hand after God gives it to us, it's our own fault.  And if you didn't notice, I said it earlier: God gave us dominion over this planet and all that resides thereon.  He told us to take care of it.  The rest of mankind hasn't exactly listened to anything ELSE he's said, has it?  Why act like you're God's agent when it only suits you?  (I'm not directing those towards you, they're rhetoric, obviously.)

            As for religion and politics mixing, there are two parts of that: America was founded on the Christian morals that nearly all of the original writers of the Declaration had.  In that manner, yes, religion may mix with politics.  However, I absolutely DESPISE when countries make official religions that everyone has to follow.  It's useless, counter-productive, and worst of all, the exact OPPOSITE of what God wanted.

            I understand your concern with the -current- world, but what Christians have to do is look at the -afterlife- more than the present one.  Souls are eternal; whether the world crumbles and dissipates into space or not, our souls are eternal and there is a place they will go after we die.  If Hell didn't exist, it would be because Satan never fell away from God, and in that case would never have tempted Adam and Eve in the Garden, and PERHAPS a sin nature would never have been born in mankind.  Then we would have lived close to God from birth until death and never even been aware of the existence of sin.

            Even you know when things are right and wrong.  "Wrong" is the nice word people have given "sin" so that it doesn't sting as much.

            Well, the rest of it's a lovely rabbit trail that I'm not going to follow.  I'm sorry that you don't agree with me, but before jumping down my throat come to terms with me believing something different.  I'm taking the notification off on this post, so I won't even know if you respond.

            Have a blessed day, Mr.  Sir.  =^^=

            1. Beelzedad profile image57
              Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              No, he didn't. Dominion means dominance; to rule, which was the correct referral.



              That is the exact type of delusional fantasy that allows Christians to not care about this world or what happens to mankind. They are shooting themselves in their righteous foot. smile

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                Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Since you say they are shooting themselves in their righteous foot, what would be your solution?

                1. Beelzedad profile image57
                  Beelzedadposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  There would need to be serious changes in religious doctrine regarding humans. smile

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                    Twenty One Daysposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    What kind of changes?

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              JadedLoveposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              i had no idea that when you were so extrememly rude to me on my hubpage, that you were a die hard christian. This explains alot Y. Kajitaka

            3. Castlepaloma profile image23
              Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              I can agree with people about 95% of the time, it's that 5% that we disagree on, that can be a bi#?*xxxch

              Sorry, I just can't give all of my soul to Allah (all of me) or to a that white bearded jealous God who wants to take my soul just like all of the other Religion want to also.

              That’s just too greedy, I prefer to keep my soul and share it better for everyone sake, so nobody or one single group gets to hogs the whole thing and turn it into a fight club, in which you can't talk about the fight club,

              Dose everyone agree?

              OR

              Toss my soul into the air and have them fight for it,  and have  business as usual.

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image72
      Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      You make some very good points-thanks!

      1. Y. Kajitaka profile image59
        Y. Kajitakaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        It's really sad commentary on mankind, isn't it?  TT_TT  But I'm glad you like!

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
          Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          Indeed it is and the remarkable thing is despite an education  etc intelligent minds many still fail to see pride affecting their attitudes.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            Eaglekiwi

            I would not call it pride, I would prefer to call it desire

            First Desire.: or call it dreams, self relience, spirit, self serve and etc

            Second. Attitude: how you, we and I get along with people and rest of the world

            Third, Focus: yes, a lot of work, work is love made visual

            Fourth, Talent:: God made me to say that

            Or

            How how would you line up a successful life?

            1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
              Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

              Pride as in 'Preoccupation with ones acheivements ,abilities,talents etc'
              Keyword -Preoccupation


              I think people measure success differently.

              I tend to measure it by evidence of integrity,then all the other good traits like honesty ,love and kindness will fall in behind. smile

              1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                Eaglekiwi

                I think the World need more kindness and love rather than more Religion and Politics.

                Would you agree?

                What integrity is there in Religious wars, when nine times out of 10, it is murder in a uniform? Killing is Worst sin, game over.

                Most Christians would rather be killed than to lie about being Christian, if he or she were capture by a terrorist Muslim group that happen to be murdering or killing Christians that day. Is it true integrity to die than to lie about being Christian and live another day?

                I f I were a hard core Christians, I don’t think I would have survive the freedom of traveling to 94 countries. Luckily, I do not take sides and would do not have to lie or die either way to save my life. 

                Do you think you can freely travel everywhere on earth and share full honesty with all your soul with all other souls of religion and be fearless?

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image72
                  Eaglekiwiposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                  I think the World need more kindness and love rather than more Religion and Politics.

                  Would you agree?

                  I agree 100% and I have done both. That is shown love and kindness and never mentioned anything religious....

                  (I like people, and if I have a talent or something they need,I am happy to share)


                  Other times I been part of a church group on an outreach type activity so was kinda evident whose name we came under.

                  I agree that evil has been committed (and still being committed under the so called name of god)...It is very very sad, when gutless evil people blame someone else over their crimes.

                  If I am ever faced with having to choose or deny Jesus Christ , truthfully,I hope I would show courage and remain loyal to the one who has been faithful to me -God smile

                  1. Castlepaloma profile image23
                    Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

                    That means, more likely, your like most Christians who would tell the terrorist your Christian and die.

                    It's self serve to stay alive, not selfish.
                    If you’re selfish God prefer you to die than to lie a less evil of the two.
                    Then your God would not be the all loving God, I sense that connects us all and all earthling and all within the Universe.

  6. Daniel Carter profile image89
    Daniel Carterposted 6 years ago

    It seems to me that we all want a better world than what we have, but we want it better according to what our own personal wants are, without much meeting in the middle, or agreeing to disagree. Until egos and insecurities take a back seat and are substantially tamed, it's not likely to happen.

    However, if there is enough cataclysmic destruction and mankind is threatened with extinction, I think we may consider seeing more eye-to-eye.

    1. Jefacity profile image58
      Jefacityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

      agreed - everyone wants a better world.

      It does seem the world needs a huge event to shake it out of lethargy.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image23
        Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

        Yes, my guess a 100 million deaths at one time, should scare the hell out of our abuse on earth and to change us again for the better.

        Pleaseeee! get rid of that red button, Lord Satan.

        1. Jefacity profile image58
          Jefacityposted 6 years ago in reply to this

          it would be a terrible waste if the evil in this world amounts to that.

          1. Castlepaloma profile image23
            Castlepalomaposted 6 years ago in reply to this

            I have a Save Satan fan club, if we can save Satan, we can save the world

 
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