The 7 seals of Revelations

1. 61

   Apostle Jackposted 13 years ago

   Under each seal there are events and occurrences that prophesy the PROCESS of good and evil consequences all the way to Judgment Day.When one put the events of a seal in the wrong place,you get total confusion as most of the world have about the 7 Seals of Revelations. As you comment I intend to clarify this matter.

   replyreport
2. 60

   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Good day to Ya Apostle Jack
   
   Sorry but I'm having difficulty seeing the process of good being involved there?
     I see nothing but BAD stuff going on here.
   
     Could you give me a hint?

   replyreport
   1. 61

      Apostle Jackposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      The good is what give us stability.A little bit of something good,is more than a multitude of evil.There is more evil in this world than it is good,but,a little piece of leather is well put together.

      replyreport
      1. 61

         Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         It is all good. You receive it as bad, only because your faith is weak. Trust, and know.

         replyreport
         1. 60

            Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Are you saying that all we have is good and better, and if it doesn't fall in the better definition we precieve it as bad?

            replyreport
         2. 61

            Apostle Jackposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Druid Dude......If you believe that there is evil in this world,how can you say that everything is good?I except the truth...I don't make excuses.

            replyreport
      2. 72

         Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Well, I guess this shows your negative view about other people. Good to know.

         replyreport
         1. 60

            Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            I don't think Jack was talking about people.
            
              I think he was talking along the lines of the pleasure and the misery taking place in the world as being out of proportion.
            
              There are many, many more people sufering from misfortune than what are basking in the pleasures of life.
            
              At least that is how I took it.  Or something like that.

            replyreport
            1. 61

               Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               The Israelites followed God. Look what happened to them. Cag was referring to my negativity. That is what happens when an atheist can't help consorting w/ religious and spiritual sorts. He's just here to show you all how positive he is, and respectful of other's beliefs, and so full of LOVE, that he just can't resist spreading himself around like vegamite.

               replyreport
               1. 61

                  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I never heard that the final times were supposed to be nicey, nicey.

                  replyreport
                  1. 60

                     Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Just a neighbor pop over,
                     
                     
                     You are right, on both points.

                     replyreport
               2. 72

                  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Actually Druid, if you paid closer attention to details, you would find that I wasn't talking about you at all.

                  replyreport
                  1. 61

                     Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm crushed. Where's the LOVE??? I believe that the universe (And God, or whatever it is) has a negative side and a positive side. That we mirror this, as does all creation right down to the individual charges of atoms. It is also evidenced in the psyche of man (Species name) as in the conscious and sub-conscious mind, that the next Quantum Leap (Not a TV program in re-runs) will be when we can acheive total oneness of self. Know self, and you know God.

                     replyreport
                     1. 72

                        Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        What does your post have to do with whether or not I was talking about YOU?
                        
                        I said pay closer attention. It isn't very nice(where's the love) of you, to put words into my mouth, for which, I didn't say.

                        replyreport
3. 0

   Twenty One Daysposted 13 years ago

   Jack,
   I do not believe we have 'met' before on HP. so my question regarding the 7 is this: What does the opening line of the 'prophecy' state? Once this is understood, the ENTIRE document/letter is understood thoroughly and the 'events' defined within.
   
   James.

   replyreport
   1. 61

      Apostle Jackposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You can't used one event to cover all 7 seals.It is like a continuation in sequence.The first seal refer to the 1000 year reign when SATAN shall be bound for a 1000 years so that the true Christian church can be establish.
      The 2nd seal is when Satan shall be set free,and so on.Each seal is a time span that covers certain events as a process to judgment day.
      
      Where we are now in Prophecy concerns Daniel 12 v 4, 7,  9 ,10 this is in preparations for the opening of the first of the 7 seals.

      replyreport
      1. 0

         Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         I think you missed what I said. The sum and substance within the entire letter points to one thing and one thing only: The Events of Y`shua moshiach. It is not this supposed doomsday prophecy.
         
         And to quote, if I may;
         
         "This is THE Mystery (revealing/revelation) of Y`shua moshiach...."
         to understand the entire context of the letter, is to understand this statement.
         
         In Hebrew satan (actually ha-satan) is not an entity, it is an adjective describing human knowledge/human reasoning/the knowledge of good-evil, aka the flesh. All Judgment HAS already come, as ALL judgment was given to him before the resurrection. Now men are judged by the Works of Righteousness by Faith, not works by the Law of Sin and Death.
         
         Indeed, that is why they call it the good News.
         Good to 'meet you'.
         
         James.

         replyreport
         1. 61

            Apostle Jackposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            What book are you reading from?Satan is a Celestial spirit which have a bodily existence.The flesh cannot produce spiritual activity.Total judgment comes after one if dead.When your life have come to an end in this world is when your whole life shall be judged.As you live your life it is in judged by God until your number is call.

            replyreport
            1. 61

               Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I think your watches are broken. You really don't know the day nor the hour!!! That's a neat trick. I'm gonna hafta pay attention next time.

               replyreport
            2. 0

               Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I have read 12 versions and have completed biblical school, plus close personal friends who speak, read, write and understand Hebrew
               No such entity exists. The text says so. No such entity Lucifer nicknamed Satan (note capital S). Perhaps, whichever version you have studied is not thoroughly accurate. (that is just a guess on my part, as I do not know which version you have been instructed in and whom you have been instructed by. Please do not think I am judging you, I sincerely am not.)
               
               Second, my life has already ended and all judgment removed. He who did the work for me, said so. Now he says my life is one of righteousness, which is Life. I have passed from death literally - spirit, brain and body-- to Eternal Life (exemplified by the Passover of Moses and literally by Him).
               
               Johns Letter says so also: "Salvation has come!". The Father now abides in us (Immanu El). The Kingdom of Heaven has come, it is in you and me. We are the temple where the Spirit of the Father now dwells forever and ever. We are the New City of Peace!
               
               Good News indeed.
               
               James.

               replyreport
               1. 61

                  Apostle Jackposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Your knowledge if from the world and its common education,and not from God,which is why you cannot find it.You won't find Celestial spirituality in there either,nor the knowledge of our 2 BODIES of created existence,nor how they coordinate one within the other.Schools of world education and self-agendas was not meant to bring forth this knowledge...only those that He have chosen.And it is clear that you are not one of those people.

                  replyreport
                  1. 0

                     Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     My knowledge? Hmm. If by knowledge you mean studying to show myself approved, then my credence stands. Twelve literary versions of the compiled Torah (The Law of Moses, The Law of Noah, The Covenant plus Poems, Prose, Proverbs, Songs, Wisdom, Prophecies, Jubilees; The Testimony of Mattheus, John --and more recently Thomas discovered in the seas of Egypt; The Correspondences of they and the man Saul) during my years in very active ministries both small and exceeding 25k per Sunday.
                     Yes, during my youth, also studied multiple Applied Philosophies and Quantum Physics from one of the most noted Universities (ps, thanks for viewing my profile, if you did.). Which to me has nothing to do with your posting.
                     
                     As for the indwelling of two as one, I find it odd you say that, given the man himself is the Testimony of such a being -a being he defines as all men who are born of their mothers womb and then of that same Spirit, who hovered over creation and raised the firstborn from the grave. No wisdom is hidden, no secret to figure out, when a person --any person-- walks with Creator (as was the command) by faith. Knowledge through books is limited, yes, including biblically based ones.
                     
                     Your original posting is inaccurate according to the texts. The only reason I commented was for your benefit and the edification of the reader.
                     
                     
                     James.

                     replyreport
                     1. 61

                        Apostle Jackposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        Of all the schools of education that you have learn from,and of all your books of knowledge that you have read is not enough to challenge a messenger of the Almighty God.

                        replyreport
                        1. 0

                           Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                           Sorry Jack,
                           You do not know my Father in heaven, nor his son, who bore your sins and mine. Because if you did, you would not dare say such things. You may know "of" him, but you do not know him, --at all.
                           
                           A self appointed "anointed" apostle is the most dangerous thing you can be. It would be better to tie an albatross around your neck...
                           
                           Now, if you truly ARE an apostle, tell me plainly who your teacher was and who the anointed elders were who laid hands on you.
                           
                           James.

                           replyreport
                           1. 61

                              Apostle Jackposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                              That is more to be seen,more than it is spoken.I was born for this day ,predestine, prepared, and educated by the Almighty Himself. No schools of education can teach what I have been given as a messenger of God.It is all coming out in the wash.

                              replyreport
                              1. 61

                                 Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                                 *moves away slowly trying not to make eye contact*
                                 
                                 Seriously pal, saying things like that ain't gonna help your argument in the slightest.

                                 replyreport
               2. 67

                  ceciliabeltranposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  I am shocked shocked shocked. Narcissus sees his face and does NOT RECOGNIZE IT...it is appalling James. Really. It's like ramming your head on granite doors, don't you think?

                  replyreport
                  1. 0

                     Twenty One Daysposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     Utterly dismaying, love, completely.

                     replyreport
4. 71

   getitriteposted 13 years ago

   Some delusions are serious enough that they require immediate professional attention.

   replyreport
5. 61

   dutchman1951posted 13 years ago

   Jack,
   
   why is there a 30 min pause between the opening of the 6th seal and the 144,000 promised being taken up and the sounding of the Horns and the Opening of the 7th seal,( the book of life) where judgement will be handed out? Why the 30 min. pause?
   
   curious as to your answer?

   replyreport
   1. 60

      Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hope you don't mind me answering .I started a new hup this am that adresses that issue and many more. Planning on posting it later tonight or in the am.
      
        The 30 minutes of silence was ater the seventh seal was opened, and beore the seven trumpets were handed out.
      
        One thing for sure...  this establishs that the period of time that the seals were being opened is in a different time period than the trumpets being sounded.
      
         Chronoligical order being established through out all of prophesy. The first seal was opened immediately after Jesus assended up into heaven. The sixth seal was opened in 69 AD.And the seventh around 138 AD

      replyreport
      1. 61

         dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

         ??????

         replyreport
         1. 61

            dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

            7th seal is the judgement of all the rest, Jew and Gentile that did not keep the Law?   I thought..?   So then by this being 2011,  God has already long a-go passed judgement on all of us?   Confused here?
            
            what is the purpose of Grace then?

            replyreport
            1. 60

               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               I don't understand where that concept/ interpretation comes from.
               7th seal is the judgement of all the rest ??

               replyreport
               1. 61

                  dutchman1951posted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  The entire 7th seal, all passages are noting but God and his Angles pooring out harsh judgements, and destruction upon the earth and the people left.... It reads like a disaster novel. Obviously he is puniishing those left after the 144,000..?
                  
                  it is page after page if you read it.

                  replyreport
            2. 60

               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               It is just my opinion that the seal judgments began being opened around 30 AD  and were inflicted upon the Hebrew peopls.
                 When Daniel was told to seal the book (Daniel 12:4)
               
                 That seal was opened when Jesus opened the sixth seal and as described also in Rev. 7:9  a great multitude being seen beore the throne. However this is not describing "THE First reserection" that is described as a harvest C 14 and the first resurection in C 20.

               replyreport
         2. 71

            earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Jerami fer gawds sake get a new keyboard. The missing letters are driving me up the wall!

            replyreport
            1. 60

               Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Yea me too ...   I could just take my time and check what I type better.   
               
               Edit
               Actually  when I get rich I plan on buying another key pad.
               
               I could write a book ... "1000 ways a guy can go broke".
               All from personal experience.
               
                  I'm exagerating a little bit.

               replyreport
               1. 71

                  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  We could all do with a bit of care when typing.
                  
                  I still can't type fast or accurately and need to spend time to be understood.
                  
                  Sorry mate, I assumed it was your keyboard missing letters. I just threw one away because it got some of my lunch jammed under the letter "T"

                  replyreport
                  1. 60

                     Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                     I think morning cofee is what gone thisun in.
                     
                       Some times I gotta hammer the f especially.

                     replyreport
                     1. 71

                        earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                        I'm in new trouble with my typing. I am using the laptop's own keyboard, and it is horrible to use by comparison to my old big one that got wet in the flood we had. I am still repairing stuff months later. What a mess! I still have broken electronics laying around in the garage from the flood.

                        replyreport
6. 61

   dutchman1951posted 13 years ago

   Hang on I am looking it up, the words in the passages

   replyreport
7. 60

   Jeramiposted 13 years ago

   Sorry about your flood, and your stuff.
   
   Well ...  it's almost 2 AM and my eys are starting to get heavy.  I think I can sleep now.
      I had been attempting to answer a comment you made on another thread, ( the krouss thingie) but it got too long ......   deleated it again like I did months ago when I tried to answer it before.
   
       Maybe next time

   replyreport
   1. 71

      earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      OK Jeremi, sleep well. I'm off to buy dinner. Fish and chips tonight.

      replyreport