Do we choose to be born?

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    Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years ago

    What if you didn't wish to be born, could there be a way in going back? Shouldn't you be able to choose? If I had the choice I would Not of chosen this life on Earth as there is so much 'injustice', war & not peace etc;

    1. Alouroua profile image60
      Alourouaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      " If I had the choice I would Not of chosen this life on Earth as there is so much 'injustice', war & not peace etc;"

      But you would have made the choice to be born from a very different perspective. (Assuming we exist in a spiritual state before and after death.) Your understanding of things would be very different, so perhaps your opinion would be too?

    2. vox vocis profile image81
      vox vocisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I don't remember making a choice to be born. Actually, it took me a long time to realize that I'm alive after I was born LOL

    3. KeithTax profile image72
      KeithTaxposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      As to your questions:

      Can you go back? Yes

      How? Suicide.

      Did you have a choice? Yes

      Why did you choose to be born in the first place? The really cool lights seemed inviting at the time.

      lol

    4. LeslieAdrienne profile image79
      LeslieAdrienneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What?!

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    Sherlock221bposted 7 years ago

    I think some people have such terrible lives, that it would make little sense that they should have chosen them.  Trying to imagine not existing though is literally unimaginable.  Yet for 13.7 billion years since our universe began, and for the eternity before it began, I did not exist.  To have come out of this eternity of nothingness into the light, and to be here for only the blink of an eye, before returning to another eternity of nothing, and for this brief time we have to be full of such misery, seems pretty pointless.

    So yes, maybe it would have been better not to have been born at all.  As it says in the Bible, the dead are better off than the living, because the living know that they shall die, but the dead know of nothing at all.  Better than both of these is he which has not been born yet. I have to agree with the Bible.

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      Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I am not sure where these statistics stem from, though none of the less we seem to agree with some things, but I don't believe that we will return to nothingness and that means no other birth or existence. Though buddhism does refer to 'nothingness.' Though it refers to the whole of existence- meaning that Life is Universal and when there is no ego the spirit is pure and travels through the state of eternity.   So in Buddhism terms this is the state of non-ego-ness and a pure state back to the Creator the "Is" the Universal Creation...

  3. Jerami profile image69
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    I feel kinda like we do choose to enter into this physical life.  Kinda like going to an amusement park.  Some of us ride the rides and some of us operate them; and some o us keep the restrooms clean, etc.
      Life don't allways seem fair.  Unless ..  we do it again and trade places.

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      Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      So kinda like a 'Recyling job' - you mean sort of thing? So like we are all on a 'merry go round' - to test our stengths & weaknesses but for whom? Why Is this So?

      1. Jerami profile image69
        Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        No not really.  I think we would have a choice to do it or not.   But when we decide to play the game, we know we don't always get to sit in the princess' chair.

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          Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Well how lovely! When & how do you get to sit in that fat 'princess' chair? Is it based on luck, chance or as what some say good 'karma?' Again who is pulling the strings? Can we not have our own way? Are we not being controlled to begin with?

          1. Jerami profile image69
            Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Whatever controll is being used is kinda like when we run into the amusement park, and who sits in the front car on the rollercoaster.

               But in the real world, some people are born into privilage, and some are not.

                I like to think that in another life ???  I'm tall, dark and hansome, and my MaMa don't dress me funny.

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    Emile Rposted 7 years ago

    You are asking a question; with absolutely no knowledge of anything other than this physical world.  You don’t have enough information to say ‘Gee, I wish I had never been born.’

    If we have a choice, then it is obvious that there are valid reasons why we would want to go through this life. Since, if there is a choice, there are a large number of people who have apparently made the decision to be here.

    I prefer to think that we don’t have a choice, but existence within this reality is an important part of the journey our consciousness must make in order to grow.

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      Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I have read information about the afterlife, & some of those people are much happier than what they were when they were here- 'so called- physically' before they died. So yes I do question if we could choose to be here or not why not? You say that a large amount of people apparently made this choice? Did they really know what they were in for? If indeed it is for our consciousness to grow but why start to begin with? What is the point? This is my point.  Why did God create this strange & complicated scenario?

      1. calpol25 profile image65
        calpol25posted 7 years agoin reply to this

        I believe we are put down here to learn sort of like an education maybe.
        Maybe its a sort of simulator if you like, you know how when people play computer games and play people in different worlds maybe thats what this is... Who knows . smile

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          Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah this rings truth, though I wish it wasn't so harsh towards peoples sexuality etc; That seems to be a hard game to play, or though I wouldn't call it a game at all. Though again what is the logic in all of this 'mixed' up world that is controlled by religion if not what else?

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            calpol25posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            The thing is with religion, people believe what they want to believe and I honestly dont think that a god could persecute some one for gender,skin colour, orientation etc - I honestly believe that only another human can do that as they do not understand so they would rather attack and use hate to avoid admitting they dont understand. smile

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              Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Absolutely friend. 100% smile

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        Emile Rposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        First, I don't think your birth is a beginning,  I think it is simply a temporary separation. Second, we may be talking apples and oranges. I don't know that I define God as anything more than a larger part of the whole.

        I can accept 'information' on the afterlife as nothing more than speculation. A curiosity, but unprovable. And I also said if we have a choice people must have wanted to be here. I don't know that we have one.

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          Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Then your guess is as good as mine peeping cat! We don't know the answers simply as that!  What I do know is that God is the whole, this 'Is' and we were born for some reason or other, I don't know whether we had a choice in the matter... Seems some peoples lives are great and others have terrible tragic lives...

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            Emile Rposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Yes. The inequities in this existence are troubling. I would think, if there is a purpose, it would be to address these; as best we can.

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              Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

              Yes for once we do agree - 'little peeping cat!'...

  5. Jerami profile image69
    Jeramiposted 7 years ago

    Marie-AnneLeClerc ...This is my point.  Why did God create this strange & complicated scenario?

    =====

       Just a point to continplate..  Eternity might get boring. 
    Why not try something new.  See what we can do. 

      When we get here, we find ourselves in whatever situation that we find ourselves in.  See what we can do.  Enjoy ourselves as much as we can without ruining anyone else’s fun. 
      That is the rules.


    Edit    by  I gotta go to Home Depot

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      Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You don't ruin anyone elses fun when you have been dished out a horrific life that is violent, cruel or even put to death. I do not see any logic in this...
      To question is to reason without reason there is no intelligence? Your point is too 'fundamental' this is what happens in real life...

      1. Jerami profile image69
        Jeramiposted 7 years agoin reply to this

        As you say,  my point was fundimental,

          That is where things start, with fundimentals.
          And then someone breaks the rule, takes somebodys "FUN" away.
        That person then breaks the rule and takes someone else's

           We take our sadness and pass it on, multipling this by ten.
        then we got ten other people doing it, then 111 people doing it and on it goes,    and again and again ...

          Is that logical?

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          Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          ...sounds logical, though only God knows the truth of it all....

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    Sherlock221bposted 7 years ago

    When we consider how amazingly unlikely is our birth, from even a genetic perspective, I suppose we should be grateful that we are here.  The billions of genetic combinations that make each person who they are, make every single one of the almost 7 billion people on this planet unique.  If only one of the genes which make us who we are were different, we would not be exactly the person we are. 

    Also, when we consider how many millions of our ancestors needed to meet in order for us to be here.  Only the other night, I worked out that if the 1929 Wall Street Crash had not happened, I would not be sitting here typing on my laptop now.  Because my grandfather, who was from Scotland, had been reduced to a three-day working week in the '30s because of the depression.  His brother, who had moved to Birmingham to look for work, suggested my grandfather come to Birmingham, because there was plenty of work at his factory.  My grandfather therefore came to Birmingham in 1935.  If he had not done so, he would never had met my grandmother, therefore my father wouldn't have been born, therefore he wouldn't have met my mother, and I wouldn't be here.  I can thereofore thank the seemingly unconnected historic event of the 1929 Wall Street Crash for my birth.  This is just one example of the odds against my birth.  And everyone, if they stop and think will have a similar tale to tell.  Maybe it is therefore ungrateful to complain about our lives.  Especially, when I watch the news and see babies dying of starvation in Africa.  How easily, I might have been one of those.

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    Emveme7posted 7 years ago

    We do choose the parents and life we are to live, you do not remember this because all the informtion you absorb from the time you are born shoves it deep inside and your not suppose to remember anyway. The life you choose comes from the life lesson you need to experience, if you keep repeating a mistake (i.e. always getting in over you jead beccause you are afraid to say no; a simple example) it is a lesson you need to get past and learn from it. No one life can learn all there is about life and challenges one time around. So you did make this choice, maybe the lesson here is the reallization that any life isn't simple. Bad things happen no matter where you are.

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    Emveme7posted 7 years ago

    Ooops, and you can go back but it takes an awful lot of misery to do so. Some believe a new born child's Soul can decide to go back until they are about 2 years old. It is the innocence of the life that enables it to do so.

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    Emveme7posted 7 years ago

    Ooops, and you can go back but it takes an awful lot of misery to do so. Some believe a new born child's Soul can decide to go back until they are about 2 years old. It is the innocence of the life that enables it to do so.

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    Sherlock221bposted 7 years ago

    I can understand why people come up with myths in order to deny their mortality, but not why they come up with them to deny the fact that they had no existence before this life.

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      Marie-AnneLeClercposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I don't agree with this there is documented proof from medical Dr's that testify to proven cases of the afterlife through Nde's - Near death experiences. I also strongly believe that there is a Creator and this is where we come from and where we will return.  I have also studied the different religions & philosophies over time, have met many influential people & have conversed in length and depth. I have had 'many'  spiritual experiences starting from childhood and I don't ever doubt for a second that there is no
      God/Creator.

      ...Thanks all for your valid opinions and contribution.

 
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