Why is it that religion has such a great impact on the entire world?,
is it fiction ?
or is it reality?
The fiction or reality part will & can never be answered unanimously and for sure.
As for the impact......We humans are curious by nature, religion provides us with answers (true or not) that nobody else does. It gives us something to believe in and to look forward to. It gives its followers a reason, it rescues them from confusion, which we humans just cant stand (confusion), regarding all the log standing questions.
Because people feel the need to congregate and they feel the need to congregate because they ain't got enough faith in their faith and need the reassurance of like-minded delusionals as themselves.
Maybe fiction, maybe reality. We just don't know. Great way to make money though. Fear and uncertainty really sell.
Religion should be treated like your favourite perversion. Enjoy it yourself, enjoy it in private with a consenting adult but whatever you do don't practice it in public and certainly don't force it on other people.
One of our biggest fears is dying....perishing absolutely like every other living thing. Somehow we believe ourselves to be special & religion promises an after life and a larger than life reason for our existence. Whether this all is true or not, its an individual's choice.
It is both fiction and reality. That is to say it is a model of reality. All models include reality and are shaped by facts.
I'll give an example: Say someone says that the moon puts eggs under chickens at night as a food source specifically for humans.
The facts are that if you have chickens, in the morning you often find eggs under them, and humans do eat them.
The model tries to explain the facts, but of course in this example the explanation is wrong even though it matches and includes the facts.
chickens lay eggs, we eat them, but they are not for us specifically, they are the reproduction method of chickens, and the moon has nothing to do with it.
However, if we didn't know that, the moon theory would be as good a working model as any.
Science works with a lot of "working models." But it recognizes and often emphasizes that they are just models and the explanations or interpretations of the facts the model include are probably not accurate.
Religion is also a model. Humans suffer and die and we want an explanation. Religion tells us get right with god and all will be well. Natural philosophy tells us get right with cause and effect and all will be well.
Buddhism tells us to give up material wants and all will be well. The list goes on.
So religion is both fact and fiction. Believing your model is the actual explanation and the whole t ruth is the problem. Truth is that most models will work for you because they contain truth as part of the model. The human condition does not change. It is model independent..
My advice is, study the patterns and the facts. Don't take the models and the interpretations seriously.
Your title differs from your post in subject.
Are you asking about individuals, and the effect religion has on their personal lives, or how religion affects society?
In either case, the religion/philosophy that each person chooses to live by, will affect the world around them. Either for good, or bad.
In all cases, it's the person acting out in society that is the issue.
If the religion is merely words on a page in some holy book, it is completely harmless.
It's people "activating" the teachings that is the key.
@aka-dj: I am speaking of individuals lives entirely in different families it seems that it is so many religions and that just the subject causes so much debate and confusion along with the fact of some st cults.
So your saying that it's not the word religion but what being taught by the organization and since it's so many do you feel that's the problem as well?
Yes it creates conflict within individual, because it forces them to fight with themselves.
Yes it create conflict outside the individual, because it causes intolerance and ignorance within others who then take it out on others.
For me its reality. For others it is fiction. I don't believe it causes any problems for many on a personal level. But for those who over step there boundaries with those who believe its fiction. Then friction is created among the masses. I believe there is God and God has created all things. I am also happy that God is a part of my life. If many of us would show the love God has instead of showing the darkside of man, then those who do not believe may be more apt to listen.
Here's a question. I'd like to know what single thing doesn't cause friction in the world?
Religion is a reality. What it is based on cannot be proven fact, or fiction; so it can only be viewed as fiction when making rational decisions.
And religion's impact on the world has been both positive and negative, depending on whether people are willing to accept responsibility for their own actions, or not. Assuming violence, hatred and bigotry pleases a deity has been religion's worst downfall.
Religion causes violent division both personally and in the whole of society, the sooner it becomes proscribed by law to talk a crock of total twaddle to incite people to believe in such nonsense the better. I am coming to the conclusion that the sooner all religionists are consumed in the wars they cause the better, except for my Mum.
I find it interesting that so much evil is blamed on Religion when over time I've heard time and time again that a number of people found religion After Being Sent To Prison-After, so that would have made them Non-Believers.
@SpanStar: religions, some are questionable? because some has actually changed people for good, others?? anyway it seems that some Religions are actually doing good for society, while others can cause problems which in turn creates problems for those that are actually doing right...what do you think
As I said, it provides one with answers, regarding oneself & about almost everything else. It gives a sense of purpose and most importantly hope. Religion rightly said so, is the greatest seduction. But is it right or not and if right then which one in particular....I can't say.
S M Bilal Shah,
True religion is a personal choice and we must decide for ourselves but people need to know what they are looking for in terms of their believe but as many authorities in the field of religion point to what religion believe is asking of them for example: "follow me without question" well maybe that's not so good and people will want to label Christainity that way but the truth about Christian is you can choose not to believe, not to accept the teachings of God- you are free to choose and if a Christian program is not allowing that then they are not following the Christian doctrine.
I'm not an expert about Christianity, I'm a muslim, not an expert there either, but I'll take Islam as the case. Although in major religions like Islam there are further divisions so varying in the most basics that it can become a madhouse. But I believe that Islam or any other religion does demand absolute submission and has boundaries for questioning and if some1 has a problem with those, uncertainty regarding its basic tenants then instead of creating a niche for oneself in there while still trying to retain the association with that particular religion just for the sake of convenience, peer pressure or fear of banishment etc, if left unsatisfied by one's religion or discontented at its imposed conditions. One must look elsewhere.
So my reply to you SpanStar would be as is my suggestion to an increasing amount of people these days is, either accept some standard sect of a religion that you feel content with, with no strings attached from your side or just look elsewhere, don't go on believing that one can still subscribe to a religion while disagreeing with its deity once a while. That approach is not honest to oneself. Sadly I can also complain about such practice to myself, this is why I remain discontent.
@ Sharty: religion some are questionable, but I believe there is a God and being the has created us all look at the things around us who is controlling it all who created it all, like the
Sun, Moon, Stars, Trees,
insects( various kinds), etc....
something created it all, not man?
Why were they created? have you ever wondered this?
in addition the sun that rises and goes down who is controlling this?, I believe there is a God, but different religions, is questionable, how about you?
And beliefs like that denies what is already known to humankind. Ye of little faith in humankind.
@cagsil, believes as what in human kind? can you explain a little more what you are addressing, ?? thank you
Are you asking me to dissect your post I responded to? If so, then I'll do so.
@cagsil, can you be a littler clear with the comment below: thanks
And beliefs like that denies what is already known to humankind. Ye of little faith in humankind.
Yes, something did create it. It was done through Evolution and the Existence of the Universe.
This is a question that never needs to be answered.
Yes, I have wondered it. Then I gained knowledge(including experiences) and discerned the knowledge(including experiences) into wisdom(truth).
Wisdom brings forth a truth- Yes there are tons of questions and yes all questions do have answers. However, there are at times when the answer to a question is actually that the question doesn't ever need to be answered.
The Sun doesn't move. It's Earth moving. Controlled by gravity.
You have little faith in humankind can figure out anything for itself. When there is already a vast amount of knowledge which explain how things work. Many questions with regards "why"? can be addressed, if you're interested and open minded. But, as I already said, please remember that which I said about questions.
As a student of astronomy & cosmology, like the philosophers of pagan Greece, like Socrates & Antisthenes etc I have come to the conclusion that yes there must be a creator logically for everything to exist & the amazing physics that goes on behind the entire system, that just can't be all by itself done to such perfection. Nothing can exist all by itself, even for evolution there has got to be a beginning.
We humans Mr. Cagsil know very little still & whatever we know already is always up for debate.
But again which religion......idk.
Perfection? What's perfection, but an illusion. It's logical that a creator exists? Sure, if you talking about things that are within time and space, and reality. If you're talking about something outside of that, then no.
Cause and effect rules are what you're talking about and a supernatural being such as a god isn't required for cause and effect to take place, but does negate cause and effect.
It's always up for debate, sure. But, it isn't subjected to idiotic theories of a god.
None of them.
Yes I believe perfection is an abstract concept. Do you know what is outside time, space & reality? Cause & effect, yes all these processes are cyclic, one triggers another, but logically there has got to be a "start" a triggering force. All that has taken the "intelligent" human race to understand millenia & is still far from consummation, do you think would have happened just by chance or have you seen some hit & trial method in nature? The incredible balances the complex processes...
Anyhow for you I'd say the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, so have patience. I personally try not to disregard something just because it seems "idiotic" to me because I don't find myself wise enough to judge.
Suggesting anything is outside time and space, and reality is pure stupidity, considering everything has to follow the cause and effect rules. Nothing can exist outside those rules.
And, your point? Or do you like to read your own writing(listen to yourself talk)?
All the knowledge presently available to humankind, and this is the best you come up with? Goes to show you know nothing about the Universe, which isn't already learned.
Get real. There's already plenty of proof that dismisses any probability or possibility of a god in existence. It's only the gullible who refuse to admit it to themselves.
Then please don't ever be on a jury trial. You won't know what to do. As for myself, understanding my life is pretty damn easy. Too bad you don't understand yours.
I've been enjoying your posts and would like to ask what made you come to that conclusion considering you're a student of astronomy and cosmology? Do the theories of those sciences not adequately and logically explain everything without the need for a creator?
@ A Troubled Man: They consist of "theories", even science isn't so quick on believing just about anything. All that we believe is based on observations & assumptions what gets proven sufficiently becomes a law, but then there are exceptions to those laws too. Even as we speak we are not a 100% sure about the authenticity of the big bang, we are unsure about the limits, ending, uniqueness & the origins of ourselves and the universe. We can explain processes & phenomena thats the best we can do. I think if any science will be able to answer questions related to God, it'll be Physics through cosmology, which as of yet doesn't (if the big bang was what really happened, then we don't really know what was there before it or even a few moments after it). Those who don't understand these sciences in depth are the quickest ones to proclaim faith in them.
I think if anything can be of help in this case is philosophy......and philosophically/logically I'm not the only one to have come to the conclusion that yes there must be a creator. I don't expect others to follow my conclusions, I just want them to think, live & let live.
I think you need to try to be less ignorant, have an open mind and before being so big on determinism try looking at its shortcomings and coming up with the answer to the question of the first cause.
Anything outside time and space is what you implied & yes time is relative, while you are going through causality also try basics of special relativity.
Thats however the end of it for me, I wish you luck, tolerance & virtue in such matters and in life. Bye.
WOW! Again, you show off your inability to understand knowledge already in existence. Good show on you. As for calling me ignorant, yes I am in certain aspects, but not this one, but nice try. You want to defend your belief in a god that is already improbable and impossible. Then just say so.
Again, you show your inability to understand the world around you. Good show.
You were done before you got started.
Does religion cause anger and problems to individuals lives?
Truthful Religion creates patience in a believer; and if correctly understood it will not create any problem to an individual.
@ S M Bilal Shah, You are absolutely right..., there is a creator just the mire fact that we lives shows that....
Regarding which is right? Consider the King James Version of the Bible the following Scripture
James 1:27 KJV James Chapter 1 Verse 27
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
A man without religion is the man of circumstances,for me religion is the name of peace for mind,soul and society.so its impossible that religion religion cause anger.
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