Why is it said that Angels have wings? Wings in the bible only refer to Symbolism and not Celestial spirits of the Heavenly host,which don't have wings. Humankind compare anything that can fly to have wings.But they did not include Spiritual beings,which do not have any need of such help.They are supernatural.That is my story...what is yours?
1 Kings 8:7 The cherubim spread their wings over the place of the ark and overshadowed the ark and its carrying poles
19 make one cherub on one end and the second cherub on the other; make the cherubim of one piece with the cover, at the two ends.
20 The cherubim are to have their wings spread upward, overshadowing the cover with them. The cherubim are to face each other, looking toward the cover.
This doesn't seem like symbolism to me. Seems they had wings.
Cherubim's do not define Celestial spirituality.They are symbolic which have another meaning otherwise than that which is presented. Cherubim's nor creatures with many heads and eyes and such,are not Angels.
Cherubims are one of the higher ranked angels. Where are you getting your information from, seriously, I would really like to know.
Surely not the same place as you get yours. I have seen angels,you have only talked about them. There are no Cherubim's in the Heavenly host of heaven. You are mixing symbolism with Celestial spirits which you don't seem to know the difference of. You speak from an empty well. I would like to know how you drink without water...or can teach without having knowledge of what you are teaching about. Can you tell me that?
I speak according to the increase.Daniel 12 v 4 in that:...they shall run to and fro,and knowledge shall be increase.
Since you have all of the answers, why bother discussing the issue. I don't debate with those who offer no understanding of the topic at hand. Disagreements, sure, that can be debated, but you are so far out in left field I am pretty sure we aren't even in the same ball park anymore.
I am pretty sure the "well" you are drinking from is nothing more than a mirage.
And I would say that since I hold a PHD in Biblical Studies, that makes me more qualified to teach on these types of matters than most.
Mystic beliefs are based on mysticism. Mysticism is intellectual dishonesty that resides in oneself.
Do try to purge yourself of mystic beliefs. You'll actually live a fuller life. Because, it will be based on honesty instead of dishonesty. Just a thought.
Are you saying that nothing supernatural exist,and that there is nothing uncommon above the common that is known?
By definition, the supernatural does not exist; everything comes from nature.
Every thing in existence is both common and uncommon. Only the supernatural, having no existence, can always be uncommon.
You are trying to explain something that you know nothing about. You only have theories and hear say....and not actual experience.So you think that everyone is like you.....without proof. And that don't hold any water.
So are you. You know nothing of angels, and have only your personal theory and hear say...you have never met nor seen an angel. That don't hold any water.
I have seen what you have not concerning Angels. So that make you have an empty well.And one can not drink from an empty well.
One can drink from a poisoned well, though, and fill their head with nonsense.
If one can see the pile of crap in the middle of the road,it is hie/her own fault if he or she get it all over their shoes by stepping in it anyway. That.....is nonsense. Doing things unknowingly is one thing, to do it with your eyes open is quite another. Nonsense comes with ignorance..and not knowing bring the most nonsense to the table. Don't feel bad because you don't know...........you can always learn.
How can one drink from an empty well,you cannot poison what is not there. Or maybe you have a new trick to show everyone how it is done.
I'm saying that the supernatural is a mystic invention. And, it's based on intellectual dishonesty.
Santa Claus is a mystic invention of what fly in the air.You should know the difference.
Santa Claus, just like spirituality, and whatever "god" religion puts forth, is all a mystic invention. Not real and YES, I know the difference.
That is your extension of knowledge.Everyone is not so shadow in understanding. Intelligence is spiritual.Personality is spiritual,just to name a few. Santa Claus is a total lie. It seems that you only thought that you knew.
What i am full of gets me where i am going. I think that we all are full of something.
Intelligence is a function of brain tissue coupled with environment and experience. Personality is the same. Santa Claus is a delightful tale to entertain and please children, just as angels are.
I would say that you are one of those children. Is that why your answer is so much like a child which is without reality of knowing? Brain tissue don't produce anything but matter,cells,elements and material function. I think that you are greatly confused.
Brain tissue produces energy and electrical activity. This in turn gives rise the the effects we call intelligence and personality. Certain poisons can disrupt these finely tuned activities and can indeed cause confusion.
All straight now, or still drinking from poisoned wells?
Show me the process of matter into electric.It cannot be done. One have DNA and the other one don't. That is like saying that grapes can produce peanuts. The common cannot produce the supernatural,and you don't have a process that say it does.
That's because there's no such thing as the supernatural. Duh!
Then, there is no such thing as the natural. If there is no uncommon,then there is no common.
common sense is most uncommon as can be seen in this thread. As angels are nothing they, too, are quite uncommon and can be found only in an uncommonly active imagination.
On the other hand, cherubims are quite common and can be found in many paintings, drawings and statues.
Thus we have both the common and uncommon; it is natural, which is quite common and found everywhere around us in nature.
Lead plates dipped in sulfuric acid will produce electricity. Unfortunately heads filled with lead produce nothing whether DNA is present or not. It would be like producing a peanut plant from a grape.
By producing nothing, heads filled with lead produce the supernatural; as nothing is supernatural it comes naturally for such unfortunate souls.
Apostle Jack. I'm not saying angels don't exist, but have you ever seen one? If not, you are using your imagination to decide what they look like. Why care if anyone agrees or disagrees? The things you imagine can look any way you want.
Yes I have seen Celestial Spirits that are call Angels.,and they don;t have wings. They don't need wings to fly,or get from one place to another. The truth is always important. I speak from evidence,and nor theories or hear say.
Even more because I am a celestial spirit,and i speak from that knowledge existence and not schools of world education,but from what my eyes have seen and my spirit have experienced.
So i speak with confidence...and not imagination.
It is good to speak with confidence; a lack of confidence in ones self gives rise to great unhappiness and sadness.
Of course, even infinite confidence does not necessarily correlate with reality.
True...but when you have touch the flames...there is no more doubt. Only those that have not is lacking in the knowledge of it.
Yes. Lack of doubt IS confidence. But confidence isn't knowledge; often it is only delusion. Too much flame, too much pain, and the result is madness and delusion even while overconfident.
The act of knowing is what it is all about. Knowledge and confidence cannot be separated. If so ......explain one without the other.
It is difficult; I have been trying very hard to give knowledge to confidence without knowledge for some time now.
The problem seems to be that confidence believes instead of knowing while thinking it is knowing when it is not. It thus will not learn to gain knowledge, preferring instead to believe that its belief is knowledge.
I really don't understand where some of these thought processess come from. One would think that those claiming to be Christian, would understand their own bible better than some of these folks do. Sometimes, when reading these forums, I just have to scratch my head at some of the comments made by some. Believer or not...I am pretty sure we can all comprehend what we read. Slight differences in interpretations maybe, but some things are just simply straight forward with no interpretation required.
I studied the bible in Hebrew, Greek and English, and although I speak only English, the studies showed that there was very little left open to interpretation, the later bibles were pretty much in agreement over words and their different meanings.
Being able to see archetypes in analogous scripture and separate that from the rest is relatively easy to do, if one is not locked in to the delusions of grandeur.
Hey DS, one's perception skews the interpretation. There are other factors involved, but this really isn't the thread to get into it. Before one can interpret anything, they have to use their perception to read and comprehend. If their perception is skewed, because they truly don't understand how to use their own perception or what it's for, then the interpretation will have mixed results.
Just a thought.
It is not where you have been,more than it is what you know. Once burned....always learned. But that is only for some,most people will have to be a 1000 times before they believe that .....that is what fire does.
I don't understand any of your post, so I guess I am just not as spiritual or knowledgeable as you.
On the real side,some truly do know more than others.
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