I was asked this question in religion this morning and said something like this. 'God doesn't give us anything we want in life such as a thing or a person. He gave you what you need such as to help you, to hurt you, to leave you, to love in order to make you be the person you're meant to be.' In short, God is always involved in life in this world, but not when you make right/wrong decisions based on what you perceive of choices. The onus to that in life is on you.
Untrue. People come and go in our lives for the pure and simple reason that they are living in this world. What happens when they enter your life is a life lesson to learn.
Your life IS your life.
Ok so you came here with no help, you just pop out looking like me !and you began to talk Chinese and you you began to walk like a duck swim like a fish,sing like a canary ! All I see is a pic of you ,this must not be you,because you ! I think I would about now believe my description sense yours make no sense! If You dont believe in God Thats your view again poking fun at others for there is the point here ! i said what I just said for you to see how it feels ,and that is just that!
War, hatred, ignorance, violence, false hope, and more.
As well as influenza, venereal diseases, cancer poverty, fear, stupidity and a belief in impossible invisible fairies.
But if you pray to him, he will find your car keys while letting the poor and vulnerable starve to death.
If he ever did show up, I'd have to break out the shotgun.
I would say based on your OP that God gave us nothing at all. We can be whoever we want to be without a God, any God.
Can a Muslim still be who he wants to be without Christ?
Can a Buddhist be what he wants to be without Allah?
Can an Atheist be who he wants to be without Zeus?
I think that's contradictory to what trying to say or what the teacher asked. I'll say it in better terms to make it more plain. God gives us all the necessities in life and its up to us to use it. Can you say you'll pray to God for tomorrow's exam for an A or a B grade. B.S. because that's just abusing the context of belief that you can get anywhere in life just by asking for it. I'm trying to say you have to prove yourself before you get to asking anything of God or whatever you feel He has not provided for you in life. (Anything that has a virtuous meaning that is to say)
Sorry, but your "better terms" still only are relevant to the God you have chosen to worship, which means your "better terms" are only relevant to you.
Never. If I knew prayer actually worked, I would pray to God to feed the hungry and give believers an education. Of course, prayer is useless.
Yeah sure, tell that BS to the starving.
I understand what you mean, but that's not precisely what his professor meant... He was merely stating that God gives someone the tools to help themselves and what they choose to do with it is up to them(correct me if I'm wrong OP). Yes. People are thrown into terrible circumstances at times, but is that anyone's fault? No. As far as relevance to anyone goes, prayer may not be relevant to you but it is to many people including myself. I firmly believe people can go on to achieve great things whether they are a Christian or not. Religion makes no difference when it comes to doing good towards your fellow man. That is basic human kindness everyone should demonstrate.
And, that's complete nonsense of course, unless you feel that those who were born blind, lame, deformed, mentally unstable, etc. are the "tools" your God gave them and not you.
It might very well be someones fault depending on the circumstances. Is there some point there?
That's nice for you, but it doesn't make prayer useful beyond your own personal satisfaction of believing it is.
Yet, we find it makes all the difference in the world, when the fellow man is being bombarded with evangelists demanding they convert to Christianity, or Islam or whatever... and then finding out they will suffer eternal damnation if they don't.
The last two thousand years of religious wars shows just how much influence religions have had on your fellow man.
I can completely understand your side. I encountered one of these so called "evangelists" tonight actually and I completely hacked him off. I told him that he is preaching false information.
Any kind of holy war is ridiculous in my opinion. Just because you don't believe the same way as someone it doesn't give you a right to shove opinions and take war on any nation. In all honesty until death no one will know who was right.
People can always rise above their struggles. Take Joni Ericson. She became a quadriplegic and she learned to paint WITH HER MOUTH. Not all circumstances are fair, but if I could change anything bad that has happened in my life I wouldn't. It made me stronger and made me who I am today.
Anyone that isn't a Christian is at an unfair advantage to see TRUE Christians side of it because most are your average bible thumping, holy rolling, judgement filled Christians.
Yes, but we certainly can't go around saying God provided us all with tools when it's so very obvious many people don't have the same "tools" as others. In that respect, we must then state that God is giving more tools to some than to others, which is certainly unfair as it gives those with more tools an obvious advantage over those who have less.
If we look at it strictly from an evolutionary position, we can understand that evolution is not fair and we have no problem with that.
Are you saying God is not fair? That would be a huge problem.
Nobody said God was fair, God is just, whole different thing.
You expected life to be fair?
That's funny, I had to check to make sure, but fair and just are synonyms. Seems it is not a "whole different thing".
I'm wondering if you actually read what we were talking about. We were talking about your God and how "fair or just" he is when he hands out "tools" - did you understand that or should I use smaller words to explain it to you?
No that is not what I am saying. I said people are put in unfair circumstances, but when people ate thrown into these situations it makes them stronger when they overcome them. Those are the people who go on to be very wise and stronger than some. Think of every success story you've ever heard. What impresses you more? The guy who is a millionaire because he inherited a company from his father and has always been in wealth or a man who grew up in government housing or a poor neighborhood and decided to rise or die trying and goes on to become a motivational speaker or the owner of a fortune 500 company?
None of that is evidence or any indication whatsoever your God exists.
Honesty and integrity.
"What did God give us?"
Death, blindness, deafness, and a few thousand other similar items.
Sunsets, new born babies, sight, hearing taste, food to eat, fresh air, eternal life, laws to live by that protected us, a partner for life, indeed the whole wonder of His creation.
Pity we chose the loser enemy of God to rule our lives, and rejected God.
And precisely how were you given these things?
You mean: "And precisely how were WE given these things?"?
I don't understand if you are asking if there is a God or are you asking that do genetically induced medical problems exist?
As to the God question, I simply don't know.
As to whether genetically induced medical problems exist or not...
Since there are many Gods this is true !but the right one keep you and me alive !t is clear the real one has been blamed for the works of some one else! example Your name is You know, and there are others with your name ,does that mean you are a murder ,thief evil doer, because you carry the same name! injustice here is clear ! the focus do we care to know the truth ! or continue to blame him for the doing of others! in due time he will reveal hisself like he did with jews long ago and before that! God does not have to prove anything to us ,who he is! what can we do for him !its what he has done for us , given us a future ! for those who believe who he truley is! I believe you are you because we are talking because you are a man I dont just connect you with every bad guy, rapist, killer, what ever that makes a bad person! because you are a man ,yes he will reveal his self not because of a challenge to prove he exist ! but to clear his name of injustice blamed on him! we have to make sure we are not the tool surpporting this wrong an abuse
Frankly when it comes to the Christian God I see no learning taking place so I'm going to back-off on this topic as God never said his people were put here to defend him.
All I see is point, counter-point at that's fine for some but not for me.
The men of today seem just like the men of the past in wanting there own way.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And they do all their works to be seen by the children of men, for they enlarge their phylacteries and they extend the blue fringes of their robes. 6And they love the first class places at feasts and first class seats in the synagogues 7And greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called, “Rabbi”, by the people. 8But you shall not be called “Rabbi”, for One is your Rabbi, but you are all brothers. 9And you should not call yourselves “Father”,
http://aramaic-plain-english.scripturet … hew/23.htm
What did God give us?
Everything we have has been given by the Creator God.
[2:22] O ye men, worship your Lord Who created you and those who were before you, that you may become righteous;
[2:23] Who made the earth a bed for you, and the heaven a roof, and caused water to come down from the clouds and therewith brought forth fruits for your sustenance. Set not up, therefore, equals to Allah, while you know.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=22
If the Creator God did not create everything in the Universe then who did?
I am not trying to be rude but someone gave you a right to live ! beause you speak and you continue to breath your next breath! some one gave you birth by design you do not look like me ! some one allowed you a life instead of some one else! many are dead now but you are still living a great gift from someone you wont acknowledge! well your free will and view! it becomes ,a battle of words just because I say not because its prove! I talk because of injustice done ,not because of you,and your view!
It may not be rude, but it insults my intelligence thoroughly.
intelliigence is proven with common since,yet waiting to see or hear it comming from you will be a wait of wasted time! and I said what I said not for your invisable intelligence! but because its true rather you agree and will never because something is deeply wrong with you other this this subject of god , you find post like others to bash the idea of god knowing you will never believe , but to distroy the hope in others, your views to poke fun at others, has been all your motive since I have seen your post , nothing to say good only to try to make people think they are stupid for there believe in God! you have to live with your self as long as God grants you life! but it is Gods free will to let people know the truth rather you accept or not!
No, people who believe in God will not think they are stupid, they actually believe they're smart.
Smart only applies to knowlege given and applied! what use is it to hold a million dollars in your hand ,and you are hungry ;homeless,and bare,and you say I have a million dollars, your life will reflect whats in your hand and the power to use it!thats smarts, stupid is when you have the means and dont use them,and then ask somebody for a dollar!
Everything and anything "GOOD" including life itself is from God. Everything and anything "GOOD" that happens in your life is of God and from God. All goodness in life is God created.
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