1 CORINTHIANS 7:3,4,5
3 Let the husband render to [his] wife her due; but let the wife also do likewise to [her] husband.
4 The wife does not exercise authority over her own body, but her husband does; likewise, also, the husband does not exercise authority over his own body, but his wife does.
5 Do not be depriving each other [of it], except by mutual consent for an appointed time, that YOU may devote time to prayer and may come together again, that Satan may not keep tempting YOU for YOUR lack of self-regulation.
The Bible in 1 Corinthians, instructs us neither the man not the woman has authority over their own body, but that their body belongs to their mate.
So should a woman taking her marriage vows under Bible, principles recognize even though man's law provides punishment for the accusation of rape by a man's wife; under that same Bible principle there is no rape. for a man can not be accused of raping his own body.
This, bible principle does not excuse spousal abuse...but to have the husband subjected to a prison sentence under law, is it a fair punishment?
I agree with you Jeromeo - Castration would be better I think. Do you think we can get that passed?
If she fights back, is she exempt from assault/murder charges because you can't assault/murder yourself?
Quite frankly, that's the most ridiculous justification for spousal abuse I've ever read. NO is NO, regardless of the marital status or religion of the people involved.
Most of these cases aren't prosecuted anyway. However, if a man uses physical force to have sex with his unwilling wife (or vice versa) then hell yeah, he (or she) should go to jail.
Absolutely as it has to be consensual by both partners, just because one may not want it does not mean another should take it!!! As for imprisonment that is a no brainer, as a crime is a crime and punishable by law. If a man is that desperate why take it, use Rosie and her five sisters that should relieve the pain.
Poor Rosie always over worked and under paid.
True but if you wash her and take care of her, she will do just fine
A very serious topic but I love your sense of humor.
This is not a serious topic unless you think the bible gives you the right to have sex with your wife when she says "No."
In which case......
First off the Bible denies the wife, once she says "I do", the right to say NO.
It comes under contract law, And marriage is considered to be a civil contract.
Provided all the other aspects of the marriage are held up by both husband and wife, the Scriptural reference that led off this thread clearly shows that the women is not in charge of her body but it belongs to her husband.
And like wise the husband is not in charge of his body. The fact that you don't agree with the or recognize Bible, as God's hand book for life not with standing.
Men and women take legal vows to honor and stand by one another. And there should be no real reason other than monthly cycle, illness, or restraint in order to worship, for either mate to deny the other sex.
But to actually have one or the other locked up? NO, By the same token I don't think it's right for the husband to decide that since his wife won't have sex with him it's OK to have a girl-friend or seek the services of a prostitute.
And according to the Bible masturbation is considered fornication, which is a Sin just as sure as having sex out side the marriage
So according to Bible principle and the separation of church and state this is a serious topic.
The law says that you can not make law that imposes on a man's religious practices, so if the man and the woman both agree to be married according to Bible Principle, there is no punishment for having sex with your wife.
It's an oxy-morron. There is no such thing as raping your WIFE. Unless there is a legal separation, you sleep in separate beds.
Shes in the bed naked and so are you. You say how about it she says no. One of the bed rock principles of marriage is the right to have legal sex with each other, the I do was an infinite yes.
And a smart lawyer could get a case based on spousal rape dismissed. Based on the marriage vows if the Bible was used as to, take the vows.
Now as stated if the wife physically resits and the husband uses bruit force to have sex with his wife then there is legal redress. For assault. But it has to be a complaint filed for Assault.
And finally, I am sure that any man who has been convicted of raping his wife thinks this is a serious topic.
I know. Thank you for reminding me of one more reason I decided that the bible was more about subjugating people than spreading the word of god.
Once you understand this, of course there can be no rape in a "christian," marriage.
Nice value system you guys have...........
Probably a good idea to see if you can get some laws passed to protect this fine institution.
God, I hate Paul. Thomas Jefferson had it right when he cut that sick old bastard out of the New Testament entirely.
My sympathies to your wife. It is absurdly obvious that you're not a woman, and have no understanding or sympathy for our basic biology either.
Women's sex drive is far more dependent on hormones than men's. The degree varies from woman to woman and even month to month or year to year, but there are times when getting aroused at all is difficult even with a patient and caring partner. If you're not aroused, you're too dry, and if you're too dry, sex freaking HURTS, and even if you use lube to avoid that, lying back and thinking of England is still boring as hell for both partners. Even if you believe, as you apparently do, that your wife has no right to refuse you, you should respect her enough to assume that she might have a legitimate reason to say no that isn't directly related to menstruation, illness, or "restraint to worship," and back off instead of pressuring or guilt-tripping her into giving in.
The law says YES so make sure she says yes too !!!!!!!!
Yes they do. Don't use it don't loose it. I've got to comment on your handle, as it seems to apply to this thread, LOL
I wish my wife would rape me. I mean, if my body is hers according to the Divine Decree of our Lord on High, clearly it is sacrelige for her to not bust a move on me in the name of God. She has my full permission to so abuse me, as I am obviously not one to stand in the way of the will of God in such matters being the humble servant that I am etc.
As for men forcing themselves on their wives, well, I don't care what you think the Bible says, at some point you will have to go to sleep. Then we'll see how that works out for you by morning.
Unfortunately, given that women do not have the same priorities as men Shade...and the fact that she has your permission to abuse your body that belongs to her...you may want to make sure you are free this weekend for things like yardwork, house maintenance and lending a hand with the laundry, cooking and cleaning.
Oh Spryte, don't go on like that! I'm getting all [CENSORED] in my [CENSORED] just thinking about it...
Have you seen this yet: http://www.amazon.com/Women-Cambridge-W … 811855511/
ETA: The Ding Dong Song apparently isn't popular in India. Lucky them!
LOL! Yeah...I forget who emailed it to me but I definitely drooled over those pics and thought...wow, the perfect man.
You see Spryte, it's people like you who willfully and willingly misinterpret and misrepresent what is clearly intended by the scripture that give the good book a bad name.
Yeah, yeah, yeah...don't forget to scoop the kitty litter and take out the trash too while you are at it. You can just pretend you are Moses or something...now get back to work.
spryte, poor choice of character you do remember what Moses was said to have done with the waters don't you?
Aggie - We're talking about Shadesbreath's rich fantasy life here. Knowing Shade, he would have turned the waters into beer, waited until all the Egyptians were drunk (probably joining them) and then in his drunken stupor would have led the Israelites out of bondage (albeit not in a straight line) weaving his way out into the desert. Then finding out that there was only milk and honey to be had, he would have turned around and led them back into Egypt. Slavery is one thing...temperance is totally intolerable.
*gives Aggie a meaningful look*
See what I mean?
Pretend? lol. Silly girl.
You have chosen a username that is very similar to childish synonyms for the word "penis."
Dong, dingaling, dingdong, dangle etc.
Don't worry - we have all found it very funny. Especially considering your avatar
Thanks Mark I didn't know that, somewhere I've read dingdong is a slang that may refer to breasts! Was it wrong?
I searched on net and here it is
http://www.google.co.in/search?hl=en&am … &meta=
Confusing me, it says again 'breasts'
I myself took your username and profile picture to mean breasts - dong dong, like as in ring-a-ding-ding, which means wowser.
this slang term is funny; a hoot, slang for penis. lol
I simply like it how it is...ding dong bell, the nursery rhyme was the inspiration to this profile name
The Bible tells the man to honor his wife as Christ honored the Church and gave Himself for it. Therefore, God intends for a man to show honor to his wife at ALL times, that includes in the bedroom. Maybe even especially the bedroom! If the wife says 'no' that means no and that means stop. Only someone who doesn't love his wife would press her to do that. That is not following what God demanded the husband to do. Therefore he is breaking God's law. He should be punished for rape.
I worked with rape victims. All rapes are devastating beyond words. But, it seems the ones who are most devastated are the ones who's loved ones raped them, moreso than when it was a stranger. It destroys their faith in trusting family. You should be able to trust and lean on your family, not fear them.
I realize that Bible says that when you are married, that your body belongs to your spouse. But, it gives guidelines within those bounds. And respect is high on that list! No man who respects their wife at all forces her to do anything she doesn't want to do. It's rape. And God does not condone it.
Now this is the right attitude, a man that truly loves his wife would not force her to do any thing, she didn't want to do, but a woman that truly loves her husband would not refuse him what is his by right.
What God condones is stated in 1 Cor.7:3,4,5, and put there to answer the question if this was brought as a case before the proper authorities as long as there was no physical violence involved there would be no crime.
If there were no bible, seems then we wouldn't be having, at least in this individual case of "it's people like you".
Gee Jeromeo, maybe you forgot that the Bible also says that you must respect your partners wishes, if she wishes to not ingage in sex for whatever reason, you are suppost to respect that as well. That the women is the rock, the foundation that holds the family together.
When you step on her or treat her unfair she is liable to leave yo'ass. lol. In which case you have caused her to "sin" and bring "sin" upon yourself. Even married men can make whores out their wives.
This is an academic exercise on a topic that I wanted to get some feedback on. I have never had to rape my wife and not would I consider doing so. I know if I did, I couldn't go to sleep, and expect to wake up with Mr. Willy, still attached.
To anyone participating in this thread who has developed the idea that I am beating my wife and forcing her to have sex, you can relax. Please do not send the authorities to my home we are at peace here. When she says no I go to my neutral corner.
When the idea of a man being able to rape his wife came on the scene about twenty years ago I wondered then and still do about the credibility of a woman having her husband jailed for rape.
To me it's not about the married couple who are "normal" and have no problems with their sex life and the premis of this thread. But what about the woman that marrys the man for his money and then takes a lover and refuses to have sex with the man except for when she needs new Gucci's.
I am sure there are instances daily in which women are being raped by their husbands, and even though in this forum I speak of there being no room for a woman to say no, fortunately I'm just writing on the Hubpages and am not a Court Judge.
So I repeat this is an academic exercise for the purpose of online debate here on the Hub Pages.
And yes bad husbands can make whores out of their wives.
I am watching Law & Order, on the USA Net Work and guess what the story line is about. You got it spousal rape. I will post the out come of the episode along with some commentary when it's over.
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