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Athiest soup kitchen

  1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
    Captain Redbeardposted 5 years ago

    So I was down at the mission last night with my wife hanging out with the pastor there and it occurred to me. I have never seen nor heard of an atheistic mission house. If the scientific community is so much more enlightened than the believers in the Abrahamic religions, then why have they yet to figure out that there are people in need of a hot meal in 12 degree weather?

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
      Eaglekiwiposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Saints and sinners -all get hungry wink

    2. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You aren't likely to hear about any hanging out at the mission, no more than you'll hear a sermon about how evolution is true.

    3. autumn18 profile image69
      autumn18posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Why would they need to open a separate soup kitchen or community service? I bet there are atheists working at some of the Christian ones. I know a lot of people like to think that atheists are anti religion but that's not necessarily the case.

      1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
        Captain Redbeardposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I'm just saying for a certain goups within the atheist group that are desperatly trying to shut down religion in all functions I would think that they would come up with a mission to help their fellow man. If faith is so flawed why is it that there arnt non religious groups out there trying to better the sociaty in which they live? Why does it take the delusional to feed the hungry and clothe the naked? Where are the scientific mission trips to bring water and education to the impoverned areas of the world?

        1. cdub77 profile image89
          cdub77posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Captain, consider Doctors Without Borders, Greenpeace, Amnesty International, UNICEF, Freedom From Hunger, Mercy Corps etc.  These charities do not always share the same goal or methods, and each should be researched on its on merits, just like religious organizations, though I'm not sure I'd call these organizations or their diverse aims delusional.

          Typically, in the secular world, scientists concentrate on science instead of meeting the physical needs of the poor, while specialists in social work, medicine, political science, etc. serve the basic, yet important, needs your post seems preoccupied with. 

          Another example of non-Christian group of people trying to better the society in which they live are Humanitarians.  I'm sure you're familiar with the term Humanitarianism and are aware of its distinctly secular grounds for its Christ-like position towards our fellow men.

          Hopefully I've given you some places to start your search into what is  going on in the secular world.  Your desire to know is a good thing, remember all ideas are acceptable to those who live by truth, what's the harm in finding out what's really happening out there?

          As always, you don't need to end your journey before it's over.  There is an underlying anger in your post that undermines the objectivity of your questions.  I'm sure someone as thoughtful as yourself knows the path to resolving this if you ever want to.  Go with love, brother!

          1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
            Captain Redbeardposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Hey thanks so much for getting at me with the respect and information!

            I never meant for there to be any underlying anger anything in the post. It was something that I didn't have straight in my head when asking the question.

            Of course there are non christian organizations that do plenty of good work, they just don't go around with a cross on their  "flags" proclaiming to do it all in the interest of a non God so to speak. My post wasn't very well thought out as psycheskinner pointed out to me. Thanks for the response tho!!

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      Cranfordjsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Christians have a lot to make up from the cruel inhumanities conducted throughout its history. Not the other way around.

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
        MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Christians don't have to make up for anything except what they, as individuals, have done to others. It is nonsense to think that a modern Christian should be made to pay for the Spanish Inquisition (or whatnot) just the same as it is nonsense to believe that every Muslim should pay because of the WTC.

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          Cranfordjsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I was being sarcastic.

          1. Kyle Payne profile image59
            Kyle Payneposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You should learn to better monitor your sarcasm, or just not use it at all. The truth is this, the Spanish inquisition is not as bad as you may think. Granted, it was bad, but in most cases torture never occurred. Torture was only used 1% of the time.

            1. Pcunix profile image89
              Pcunixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Oh, then that's fine.  It was probably a great thing then - what with all the conversions and all. 

              I wonder what percentage of our prisoners were tortured?  Probably even less than 1% - bully for us!

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                Cranfordjsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                @kyle

                Who are you to tell me to "monitor" myself? If I wasn't worried about getting suspended from Hubpages, I would tell you what you could 'monitor'.

                The "Spanish inquisition" wasn't that bad? Were you there? (rhetorical)

                1. Eaglekiwi profile image76
                  Eaglekiwiposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  lol

                  Cool a hubber with fire in his belly,you will go far wink

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                    Cranfordjsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    But a timid hubber will, or a hubber who drops off comments that are irrelevant? Maybe a hubber who doesn't mind his or her business? What are the keys to success on hubpages? (Rhetorical, I don't care.) smile

      2. deblevey profile image61
        debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        As a Christian, I am not personally responsible for the wrongdoings of other Christians, thankfully I am only accountable (first to Christ, then to my fellow man) for my OWN wrongdoings!  Which is already a plateful of crap.... but hear me  loud and clear when I tell you that Christians do not do good works  in order to make up for anybody's short comings.  We do good works because our Lord and Master has asked us to do good works.  We obey Him because He has elevated us from 'slavehood' to 'kinship' status by what He has done to make up for all all that we have done, are doing, or ever will do that is wrong! We do not obey Him well, for if we did, the world would be in a much better state of being, and many grievous acts  by Christians who supposed they were acting in His name could have been avoided. But we try our best, and pray for His pardon when we see that we are gone astray. Captain Redbeard makes an exellent point. One may argue that the world's poor downtrodden are the responsibility of ALL humanity, regardless of our individual status as believers or otherwise.  the A&A crowd doesn't seem too interested in helping any one, just controlling those who do not think and feel according to the A&A agenda.

        1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
          MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Wow, you are really excited about this eh?

          You know, making blanket statements about atheists and agnostics is kinda judgmental right?  Especially given that you have been given evidence contrary to your opinion in this thread.

          It really is easy to villianize those who disagree with you, but it's not very Christian.  Many people don't need a religion to be good and a lot of Christians would help out even if they weren't Christians.

          The reason you dont see a lot of "atheist" charities is because, on the whole, atheists don't gather around forming churches to discuss their atheism.  There fore there aren't really aren't "atheist" ran charities.  There are secular charities and plenty of atheists that volunteer at other organizations.  After all, I volunteer for several catholic charities and I'm not catholic... they never asked me on the forms what religion I was at all.

          1. deblevey profile image61
            debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Figuratively speaking, of course...i certainly do think atheists have an agenda, as I have yet to meet one who didn't cry long and hard for the immediate cessation and criminalization of worship for and to any being higher the the collective human self (ish scoundrels that we may be, regardless) I will concede that I should not lump the poor agnostic in with the dastardly atheist. Agnostics are at least humble enough to admit there is something they don't know.... so to all you agnostics out there, i apologize.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              You must run with a very strange crowd; I've never met an atheist that wanted "immediate cessation and criminalization of worship".  Except, of course in those instances when the worshippers demand that everyone around them be forced to join in the fantasy against their will.

              Or are you one of those fundies that declare everyone in the world MUST be of the same mind as you are and follow your particular interpretation of your holy book?  Whereupon I actually could see atheists (along with anyone of a different religious sect) taking that stand.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image94
                Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Wow!  Those atheists in Nebraska must have to put up with some funky fundies to feel this way.  And I though they were some aggravating believers here in the bible belt!  smile

              2. deblevey profile image61
                debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                As a member of the LCMS in the US, I do admit a penchance for a select few 'fundie' characteristics, but by and large I'm willing to live and let live.  I am NOT WILLING to hide my faith behind closed doors, especially when my constitutional rights guarantee me the right to worship openly, as I so choose. If you don't like it, don't watch and don't listen.  In other words, go away (from where I am worshiping.)

            2. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              lol And, it has nothing to do with evangelizing, or spreading hatred to homosexuals, or deciding if a pregnant woman should have an abortion, or... the list goes on and on.

              No one could care less if you worshiped bowling balls, just as long as you keep it behind closed doors where it belongs and not in the public profile.

              Scoundrels, indeed.

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          Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this



          The A & A agenda?  What's that? I'm agnostic. Nobody told me about an agenda. I feel like such a mushroom.

          1. Pcunix profile image89
            Pcunixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Sheesh - I sent you the talking points!

            This week the agenda is "New and creative ways to worship the Dark Lord while presenting a public face of atheism/agnosticism"

            You didn't get that?

        3. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, you believe your "special" and the rest of us are just fodder. Yeah, we get that.



          lol Hilarious, Christians believe they have not done enough damage to our world and humanity, but should do more.



          Yes, ALL humanity, not Christians.

        4. wordscribe43 profile image92
          wordscribe43posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Wow, now THAT'S a sweeping, blanket statement if I've ever heard one!  Be careful with that, would you?  I'm an atheist, also have my MSW and have dedicated many, many years of my life helping people.  I had to take a sabbatical from my career after my twins were born, but I continue to volunteer many hours of my time helping the people in our community...  I DO help out in a soup kitchen, in the Oregon Food Bank.  I am "interested in helping", fyi!  However, I choose to do so without all the proselytizing baggage of an organized church.  By the way, there are atheist groups popping up everywhere that do community outreach. 

          What "agenda" are you talking about?  I have no interest in controlling believers, not at all.  I don't like to be preached to or chastised for my lack of belief, however. 

          Your statement represents a lot of dichotomous thinking.  Therefore, it's a far cry from the truth.

          1. autumn18 profile image69
            autumn18posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I agree. It just shows ignorance that people think Atheists and Agnostics do not help the needy.

          2. deblevey profile image61
            debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I'm glad you're doing something to help.  I don't claim to be right about everything. I don't expect you to take my words for concrete truth.  they represent my personal perspective and experiences. I haven't met you so my words still seem true to me. I have yet to meet an atheist without an 'agenda' regarding we of faith.

            1. psycheskinner profile image80
              psycheskinnerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              You've just met one,  hello.

              1. deblevey profile image61
                debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                wow...kewl...psycheskinner, what's your sign?

    5. A Troubled Man profile image60
      A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, the superiority of it all.

      Did you know that your mission doesn't pay taxes on its revenues? That kind of makes it pretty easy to open a soup kitchen when free money is coming in the door every week and the pastor works half a day a week.

      That, amongst the many non-Christian charity institutions in the world didn't seem to stop you from creating this thread.

      1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
        Captain Redbeardposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        How do you know how long or hard the pastor works? lol Besides, I already conceeded to the point made by Psycheskinner just below here......But you probably over looked at as you do most things just to cause trouble.
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      2. deblevey profile image61
        debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        In the US, no charity with  501C certification pays taxes on revenues, Troubled Man, and free money does not flow in through the doors of any charity I've ever worked with; faith-based or otherwise.  the point, the reason why they don't pay taxes? because they are providing community services and social services at little or no cost to the government...and in doing so, carrying part of the load that social service demands create for federal state and local budgets...wow imagine that!!!

        1. A Troubled Man profile image60
          A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I can't imagine, but it would appear you have. lol

          We aren't talking about charities, we're talking about the free money churches receive from their flock.

          1. deblevey profile image61
            debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            and i am talking about all charities, including churches.Churches would be a subset of the set ----> charities.  That's because churches do good works. It's kinda their 'thing.' makes em feel all happy and worthwhile. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but most churches I know have 501c certification. They have to if their members want to claim a tax deduction based on money donated to charity.

            1. A Troubled Man profile image60
              A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              But, they aren't, churches are places of worship and indoctrination.



              No, they don't, they propagate and evangelize lies and reaffirm brainwashing .



              That's because they are not worthwhile.



              Yes, charities, not churches.

              1. deblevey profile image61
                debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                i see you are one of those people who doesn't think it is possible for a thing to fit into two cagagories, but the truth is this...a church can be a place of worship and a charity. My church uses the moneys donated for the administration of services, wages of church worrkers, care of the grounds and building....everything above and beyond that goes to missions local and abroad. Some are administrated by us...others by others. Beyond being a place of worship, my church has a mission to feed the poor, visit the sick, comfort the dying and those they leave behind, etc. etc. So as you can plainly see we do have a sense of purpose beyond worship and...as you say...indoctrination.  Why don't you come visit us?  You may find a spiritual home here...

                1. A Troubled Man profile image60
                  A Troubled Manposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, I get that. There are about 28 categories of non-profit organizations under the 501C, but it is only religions that have an underlying agenda, that of conversions. The churches use the 501C as a way to do that as their agenda is a command from Jesus which outranks everything else.



                  Yes, while other organizations must pay taxes before they pay wages and operational costs.



                  Not really, the purpose is conversions of the sick, they dying and those they leave behind.   



                  What is a spiritual home? Is that where spirits live? Spirits have never been shown to exist, fyi.

                  1. deblevey profile image61
                    debleveyposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    You are just so uninformed...let me tell you a little about my own personal story.  I happen to be a recovering addict with 5 years recovery from active addiction to methamphetamines. At the beginning of my recovery, I spent 6 months in rehab at a facility owned and operated by Cathoilc Charities under the Omaha, NE archdioses. A.  I am not a Catholic. B. I was never approached or preached to about becoming a Catholic, or a Christian for that matter.  C. The services I received included room, board, medical, pschiatric and psychological care, community social services,and my medications were paid for. D. Those services cost me NOTHING.  They cost the state of Nebraska NOTHING. They cost the US government NOTHING. The same services saved my life, repaired the fabric of my family, my community of friends, my sense of well being and purpose.  I was a (backsliding) Christian before addiction took my life hostage,  I am reinvested in my faith not because of indoctrination of any kind, but because I saw God work in my life, I felt God work in my life, I met God once again on the road to hell, and on the road back. Do not tell me its all about conversion...its about saving the lost so they can decide for themselves. They know we are Christians by our LOVE, by what we do...not what we say. You know nothing.  I pray for you.

  2. psycheskinner profile image80
    psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

    There are a lot of charities that are not overtly religious--some of them will be atheist but not rubbing it in your face.  I volunteer, but I don't tell anyone I help that I am an atheist.  Why would I?

    And I don't know where you get the idea that that many atheist or atheist groups are trying to shut down religion. there is nothing wring with religious charities so long as they don't use it as a basis to brow beat or discriminate.

    You seem to be equating religion directly with atheism and atheism directly with science.  that leads to false expectations.

    But as it happens there are huge scientifically-based charity works, for example in the area of agriculture teaching people how to prevent erosion an co-cop three perennials rather than one annual and so be much less likely to starve in drought

    1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
      Captain Redbeardposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Point taken smile I am blurring lines here.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image29
        Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I'm nor religious or atheist, the atheist are low in population or groups and prefer to support humanity by other means.

        From visiting a number of mission, most are too dangerous with diseases low in nutrition foods and thieves, so many homeless prefer the streets or hospital like in Canadian and it's winters. Mainly only if it's totally the last resort these people will take the chance with mission.

        My design for homeless survival is their own ownership of a mini home with green house which would save the Government $40,000 each person and each year before homeless become jailed and in Hospitals.
        That much cheaper than giving them gi

        1. Castlepaloma profile image29
          Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          To the last part
          That much cheaper than giving them gifts in which they rarely can give back to society in a healthier way.

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    Emile Rposted 5 years ago

    Maybe they took the words to heart about 'when you give to the needy, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward.'

    Maybe atheists do a lot of charitable things in secret.

    1. psycheskinner profile image80
      psycheskinnerposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Or maybe we just do a lot of charity work, full stop. How many shelter dog walkers, meals on wheels drivers, or tree planters have you personally vetted for religious affiliation or lack thereof?

      1. Pcunix profile image89
        Pcunixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Because unlike some Christians, we don't usually bring up our beliefs.. We don't wear crosses, either. 

        You wouldn't know we are atheists unless you asked.

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        Emile Rposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        It really wasn't my question. I could care less what affiliation one has when it comes to religion. Or what philosophical leanings a person has when doing charity work..

        Although, sorry, I don't consider helping out walking dogs as charity work.

  4. Pcunix profile image89
    Pcunixposted 5 years ago

    Because unlike some, we have no need to convert anyone. 

    We just help. No strings. 

    For example: http://www.kiva.org/community

    Notice who is always on top.  Note that the people we help are usually religious.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Don't muddy up the thread with facts, PC!  yikes

    2. Captain Redbeard profile image61
      Captain Redbeardposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the link Pcunix. Never heard of them before.

  5. steveamy profile image60
    steveamyposted 5 years ago

    and ..by the way ...not all Christians spend time at the soup kitchen.

    1. Captain Redbeard profile image61
      Captain Redbeardposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      By the way, I never said they did.

  6. MelissaBarrett profile image60
    MelissaBarrettposted 5 years ago

    The members of my fellowship average around 15-20 hours per week in volunteer work.  Many of them are atheists. About 70 percent of our donations are actually ear-marked for the local soup kitchen too... the other 30 go to (mostly) animal shelters unless something special comes up.  I would go into depth about this but I already have in posts before.

    I personally aim for 20 hours of volunteer work a week but have fallen short a lot in the last three or four weeks.  Mainly because I can't work at the local cat rescue organization until Jr. gets here.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image94
      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Jesus is coming?  Oh that's right...I forgot you were expecting a new child!  Whew, when you said Jr....!  How long?  smile

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
        MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Estimated beginning of August.  I say estimate because the ultrasounds so far aren't clear enough to give an exact answer... or more precisely they've give two answers 3 weeks apart from the other and the traditional ways of establishing due date don't really work in my situation.

        So I guess when he/she gets here is my official answer smile

        1. Randy Godwin profile image94
          Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          A long way to go, huh!  They know what causes that now, you know!  Good luck!  smile

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
            MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            I haven't heard a conclusive answer on what causes it.  Some say it is God.  I tend to agree with that because what the atheists say causes it is, quite frankly, quite a bit disturbing.  Still, just to be on the safe side I plan on removing the alleged offending bits on my hubby with a pair of scissors before it can happen again.

            Thank you for the well wishings though smile

            1. Pcunix profile image89
              Pcunixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              A straight raor is easier.

            2. Randy Godwin profile image94
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Are you trained in doing home vasectomies too!  yikes

              1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
                MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                *wickedevilgrin* Not at all.

        2. Hollie Thomas profile image60
          Hollie Thomasposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Congratulations, Melissa! I had no idea. smile

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          MP50posted 5 years agoin reply to this

          I think anyone who does any charity work, from either side gets my vote, well done.

    2. Pcunix profile image89
      Pcunixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Of course most Christians don't know that UU's can be atheists..

      1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
        MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Actually, I've ran into the other opinion more often.  They seem to think we all are.  The really ignorant seem to think we are Satan-worshipers at worst, heathens at best.

        1. Pcunix profile image89
          Pcunixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Well, you are Satan worshipers, right?  That's what atheists do.  I prefer to worship at home because your pentagrams get so crowded - you can't get near to the demons with so many people trying to get closer.

          The wife and  I just finished up our Black Mass.   Gotta love that old time religion!

          1. MelissaBarrett profile image60
            MelissaBarrettposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            smile  The black robes get so itchy in hot rooms too...

            And thanks for the straight razor suggestion.  Usually I just use mine for animal sacrifices, but I guess it would save rust on my good sewing shears that way!  You are a wealth of information PC.

            1. Pcunix profile image89
              Pcunixposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              The big advantage is the "shaving" excuse.  It's hard to convince someone you just want to neaten the shrubbery when wielding scissors.

  7. habee profile image90
    habeeposted 5 years ago

    I knew a fellow teacher who was an atheist, and he was one of the kindest, most compassionate, and most giving people I've ever known. Christians and Christian organizations do a lot of good work, but they certainly don't hold a monopoly on charity and good deeds.

  8. Druid Dude profile image60
    Druid Dudeposted 5 years ago

    To feed those who have no food is illogical. (Not really, but I'm sure those who don't believe in god have some argument to back up my statement.) So concerned about what someone else believes. How touching.

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    icountthetimesposted 5 years ago

    I know a great many charitable people from all backgrounds. Just because some people don't grandstand about how charitable they are (e.g athiest soup kitchen) it doesn't mean that they aren't helping. We could have the "blue eyed soup kitchen" too, but what would be the point? It's about helping people not advertising a belief system or arbitray characteristic.

 
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