Surely, in disbelief are they who say that allah is the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary) . Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Who then has the least power against allah, if He were to destroy the Messiah, son of Maryam (Mary), his mother, and all those who are on the earth together?" And to allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them. He creates what He wills. And allah is Able to do all things.-----Quran
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)
Agreed Jesus was not omnipotent because He laid aside His majesty to come to Earth in the flesh and chose to constrain Himself thus.
However, you're not going to respond because you just want to publish verse from the Quran.
Jesus will return as general of prophet mohammad in proximity of judgement day.The muslim Army will conquer the jewish anti Christ under jesus command.So welcome your Prophet back to earth.and stop oppossing the muslims .you are in effect doing a dis service to Jesus.
The "muslim army?" Like I said, we need a "combative" category for y'all angry Islamic folks...as a strapped, automatic .50 caliber machine gun just isn't good enough for y'all dir'ka, dir'ka, jahama-jihad sand dwellers without a reason to kill who all doesn't succumb to the militaristic background via Muhammad and the "kill 'em all that doesn't believe our purpose" along with your anti-civil rights propaganda in addition to the dirty hands and camel dung that certain "American Haters" are known to shake hands with... And you speak about religion, Jesus, and a return of a prophet? Even if there was a God, I think he would respond to you with: "WTF? LOL!" Hey, I said nothing, my prohpet from the desert that got back from "target practice," told me these things as I know nothing... Praise be; "Allah akbar!"
To you your belief to me my beliefs. i lovingly pray for your well being.Peace!!!!
I don't believe you do lovingly pray for anyone's well being. You antagonize, prod and condemn the belief's of others under the guise of being a faithful servant of Allah, The Most High who is God to all people, not just you bucko. Once again, go crawl back under your rock.
I am busy reading a book by Perry Stone called, "Unleashing the Beast" where he makes a compelling argument that the Anti-Christ will be Muslim. Mahdi, to be exact. Both the Mahdi and the Anti-Christ is said going to be a military leader.
Citing Hadith which speak of the Mahdi’s emergence and rule, Muhammad Ali ibn Zubair relates this amazing tradition:
The Prophet said: There will be four peace agreements between you and the Romans. The fourth will be mediated through a person who will be from the progeny of Hadrat Aaron (Honorable Aaron, the brother of Moses) and will be upheld for seven years. The people asked, “O Prophet Muhammad, who will be the imam (leader) of the people at that time?” The Prophet said: He will be from my progeny and will be exactly forty years of age. His face will shine like a star... 14
The Anti-Christ will rule for 7 years. The first 42 months will be when the Gentiles take over Jerusalem (Rev 11:2) and then in Revelation 13:5, the unbridled reign of antichrist is said to last for 42 months, that is, for the duration of the Great Tribulation.
Daniel 7:25 prophecies:
"He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time."
Muslims want the Islamic calendar imposed world-wide.
Dr. Waleed Mahanna, articulates the Islamic position regarding the Islamic “Hijra” Calendar:
It is considered a divine command to use a (Hijra) calendar with 12 (purely) lunar months without intercalation, as evident from… the Holy Qur'an. 15
Both the Prophet Mahdi and the Anti-Christ will come on a white horse:
I watched as the Lamb (Jesus) opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest. Revelation 6:1-2
The early Muslim transmitter of Hadith, Ka’b al Ahbar is quoted as saying:
I find the Mahdi recorded in the books of the Prophets… For instance, the Book of Revelation says: “And I saw and behold a white horse. He that sat on him…went forth conquering and to conquer.” 16
http://answering-islam.org/Authors/JR/F … christ.htm
Those are remarkable parallels. Is it possible they are one and the same judging by the evidence?
There is no Roman Empire anymore, thus any four peace agreements between followers of Islam and Rome happend a long time ago.
Emporer Augustine proclaimed an age of peace between Rome and Judea. This came to an end with the reign of Nero who was understood to be the antichrist. From the burning of Rome to his suicide was 42months, during which he persecuted the Christians and waged war against Judea.
General Vespasian was conducting the war right up until the seige of Jerusalem. When Nero commited suicide, Vespasian returned to Rome as Caesar. His son Titus finally defeated Jerusalem after another 42 months, aka the trampling of Jerusalem. During the war it is estimated that 1.2 million Jews were killed, and what followed was an ethnic cleaning of Jews throughout Judea. All of these 'Great Tribulation' events fulfilled Jesus' prophesies in Matthew 23 and 24.
The 'Great Tribulation' happened a very long time ago. Revelation is just about done and dusted. When Jesus' return did not happen as expected, the Church continued to put it off to the future and reinterpret Revelation to the events of their time. The Church continues to do this today, thus we have wacky ideas of a new European Roman Empire and RFID implants.
The good thing is, this forum gives us a little perspective between the merely opinionated and the wackos.
Why would anyone want to worship a moon god like Allah especially since there are so many other moon gods out there. Why is he the greatest moon god?
Why would anyone want to worship a sun god like Jesus especially since there are so many other sun gods out there. Why is he the greatest sun god?
Works both ways, Claire.
Oh, tell me about this sun god Jesus? Who are the other sun gods that are just like Him?
Don't do a "Zoroaster" on me now and lie then when busted, run away! LMAO!!!
You see, Claire, that's the problem with having ones nose in a Bible all day long, they never actually take the time to research other religions or the origins thereof.
I have done plenty of research, thank you, or else I wouldn't just dismiss your claim of Jesus being a sun god. So where's your evidence? Or are you going to run away again?
No Claire, you have no such thing, all you have accomplished is to poke around websites looking for others who believe as you do and then posting it here. If you actually had done any research, you would have found plenty of books written about the almost identical comparisons between Jesus and Horus, Mithra and a host of other gods throughout ancient history. There's even hubs written about the topic right here.
A Troubled Man, do you know nothing? It's old news that those Zeitgeist claims have been debunked ages ago. Give me your sources for your claims. Let me see their qualifications. You make all these claims about Jesus being a rip off of pagan gods yet never give me any evidence. Here's a hint: don't cite Acharya S as a source.
I would invite you to an formal debate on this subject but knowing you, you will run away when I've refuted you. You keep doing that and that is not conducive to a good debate.
Here's a little teaser for you:
Manfred Clauss, German Professor for Ancient History in The Roman Cult of Mithras, writes:
“The literary sources here are few but unmistakable: Mithras was known as the rock-born god. The inscriptions confirm this nomenclature: one even reads D(eo) O(omipotenti) S(oli) Invi(cto), Deo Genitori, r(upe) n(ato), ‘To the almighty God Sun invincible, generative god, born from the rock’….Mithras also appears in the archaeological record as the rock-born god. Many images represent the god growing out of a rock with both arms raised aloft….After the bull-slaying, the rock-birth is the most frequently represented event of the myth, either as a detail on reliefs or, quite commonly, as a free-standing image.” (Clauss, The Roman Cult of Mithras)
So...no virgin birth of Mithras...
Unless the rock was a virgin.
Another rubbish claim was that Isis was a virgin when she conceived Horus.
In the Osiris myths she searched for her husband's body, who was killed by her brother Seth. She retrieved and reassembled the body, and in this connection she took on the role of a goddess of the dead and of the funeral rights. Isis impregnated herself from the Osiris' body and gave birth to Horus in the swamps of Khemnis in the Nile Delta.
These two examples are not similar to Jesus at all. Would you like to try again?
This has nothing to do with Zeitgeist.
I haven't made the claims, others have and written books about it with plenty of sources to back up their claims.
Your one and only refutation has been that Satan is deceiving us. Is that your idea of a formal debate?
"Let me see their qualifications."
I've already provided sources. So tell me, those people that have written books outlining the similarities between Jesus and pagan gods, what are their qualifications. List them please.
"I haven't made the claims, others have and written books about it with plenty of sources to back up their claims."
What sources to back up? Are you telling me you don't believe there are not similarities between Jesus and pagan gods? You claimed Zoroaster, although not a pagan god, was crucified and born of a virgin birth yet you could not provide any evidence for your claim.
"Your one and only refutation has been that Satan is deceiving us. Is that your idea of a formal debate?"
First of all, me talking about Satan and Jesus as the son of God is not considered a debate. A debate is when you can prove a claim with facts like I did which you conveniently ignored. Do you have no shame?
So, the fact that others no longer wish to run down the rabbit hole with you is evidence of being a bully and a coward?
You ask for others qualifications when you have none. You ask for valid sources when you provide none. You ask about proving claims when you have not done so yourself. You ask about the origins of Christianity and when provided, you simply deny it.
Then you call people names when they tire of your nonsense.
That's not what I was referring to.
Look further up and you will see the links I provided that outlines research done into the mythology of Mithras yet you ignored it. Then I asked for your sources and sources proving what you claimed about Zoroaster and you ran away. Your version of the origin of Christianity has been debunked long ago but you won't enter a debate with me on that.
This is not a petty jibe. You need to reflect on your behavior and realize it is self-destructive. Everything in life is a joke to you and it is not.
1. Both Mithras and Christ were portrayed as young and beardless; both sometimes appeared in the shepherd's role, and both saved mankind by performing sacrifical deeds.
2. Both Mithras and Christ had virgin births in the sense that they were conceived without any sexual union between man and woman. Christ's father was said to be God, while Mithras was said to have had no father or mother, having emerged as an adult from a large rock.
3. Both Mithraism and Christianity celebrated the birth of their god on the winter solstice, the 25th of December according to the Julian calendar. Both featured the sharing of presents, the use of Christmas trees with candles, and nativity scenes that included shepherds attracted by a sacred light. The special importance of this solstice ceremony to Mithraists would be indicated by the name Mithras, which derived from Meitras, which in Greek numerology refers to the number 365, the last day of the solar year at the winter solstice.
4. Both the Old Testament and Mithraic legend told of the first human couple having been created. Mithra supposedly kept a watchful eye over their descendents until Ahriman caused a draught that caused such thirst that they begged Mithra for water.
5. Both told of a major flood, in the case of Mithra through his having shot an arrow into a stone cliff to quench mankind's thirst. Unfortunately, the entire world's population was drowned in a flood produced by the water spout that gushed from the hole his arrow produced. One man alone (a Noah figure borrowed from the earlier Sumerian myth of Atrahasis) was warned in time and could therefore save himself and his cattle in an ark.
6. Both Mithraism and Christianity emphasized mankind's redemption resulting from a sacrificial death followed by the god's ascent to heaven. In the case of Christ, it was the god himself (or his son) who was sacrificed; in the case of Mithra, it was a sacred steer that Mithra sacrificed.
7. Both featured resurrection through sacrifice. Mithraism more obviously drew upon spring equinox fertility myths by depicting Mithra's sacrificial bull with a tail that consisted of sheaves of wheat that were supposedly scattered throughout the world once it was slaughtered. Also, the bull's blood formed the milky way, allowing human souls both to be born and to return to the heavens after death.
8. Both told of a Last Supper linked with the blood sacrifice whose symbolic recreation by eating bread and wine provided salvation for all worshippers. After Mithra killed the bull depicted in Mithraic art, he feasted upon it with the Sun God and other companions before ascending to the heavens in the sun god's chariot. The sequence was slightly different in the New Testament: Christ's Last Supper necessarily preceded his crucifixion rather than following it, after which he ascended to heaven.
9. Both emphasized purification through baptism, Mithraists by washing themselves in the blood of sacrificial oxen. While dying oxen bled to death on lattice floors built over their heads, initiates both drank and washed themselves with the blood that dripped on them.
10. Both featured secret temples located underground. For Christians it was a temporary expedient to avoid persecution, but for Mithraists it became a permanent institution, each small chapel, called a Mithraeum, having seated no more than fifty worshippers and having been constructed to point from east to west. Rounded ceilings were painted blue and imbedded with gemstones. There were no windows except for a few chapels in which tiny holes in the ceiling that had been bored to let in the light of certain stars at particular times of the year.
11. Both held Sunday to be sacred.
12. Both encouraged asceticism. Mithraists were expected to resist sensuality and to abstain from eating certain foods.
13. Both emphasized charity. Mithra was identified as the god of help who protected his worshippers, whatever their tribulations in life.
14. Last and probably least, both emphasized a rock, Mithra having been born from one and the Vatican having been built on one.
Note that Mithraism is a spin off of the Iranian god, Mithra, and the Roman cult of Mithraism came after Jesus.
As I mentioned before, we have virtually no literacy sources of Mithras because of its secrecy so any mention of him were jibes from the early church fathers. In fact, Mithras is almost always depicted in iconography.
So they were beadless…so what? You know there have been two presidents of the United States that have once been clean shaven? That means one didn’t exist according to your logic. This author of this article gives absolutely no backing for his claims. He provides no sources. Please direct me to some artwork that depicts Mithras being a shepherd or being represented as one. Jesus did not perform a sacrifice. He was the sacrifice. Mitrhas, on the other hand, sacrificed a bull for the creation of life:
Mithras was a Persian creation god, as well as the god of light. Mithraism, the mystery religion associated with him, spread throughout the Roman Empire. Initiation into Mithraism was restricted to men and was especially popular with soldiers in Rome and on the northern frontier during the 2nd and 3rd centuries. According to the Persian myth, the sun god sent his messenger, the raven, to Mithras and ordered him to sacrifice the primeval white bull. At the moment of its death, the bull became the moon, and Mithras's cloak became the sky, stars, and planets. From the bull also came the first ears of grain and all the other creatures on earth. This scene of sacrifice, central to Mithraism, is called the Tauroctony and is represented as taking place in a cave, observed by Luna, the moon god, and Sol, the invincible Sun god, with whom he became associated in Roman times. Mithras is generally depicted flanked by his two attendants, Cautes and Cautopates, and accompanied by a dog, raven, snake, and scorpion. On the front of this two-sided intaglio is the scene of Mithras slaying the primeval bull. Mithras, dressed in Phrygian clothing, kneels upon the bull with one leg while stabbing it with a dagger. Also present are images of Sol and Luna, a raven, a scorpion, a snake, and a dog. The back depicts Abraxas, a cock-headed, snake-tailed Near Eastern deity.
http://art.thewalters.org/detail/40013/ … d-abraxas/
This is blatantly dishonest. Jesus had a parent and Mithras didn’t have any. To be considered to be born of a virgin you need to have been immaculately conceived and been giving birth to by a woman. Then to try and link baby Jesus with a fully formed adult springing out from a rock is just laughable.
Completely irrelevant as the Bible does not say that Jesus was born on the 25th. Thanks to the dear Catholic Church, we now share these pagan dates and symbols with Mirthras. Anyway, no shepherds were there when Mithras came from a rock.
Well, actually, the OT legend is a spin off of the Sumerian Text the oldest text there is. Remember the Hebrew Bible came before Zoroaster. I don’t see any corroboration for the claim that Mithra kept a watchful eye over their descendents of the first human couple. About Ahriman:
For instance, Aredvi Sura Anahita (Ardvisur Nahid) is both a divinity of the waters as well as a rushing world river that encircles the earth, which is blocked up by Angra Mainyu(Ahriman) thus causing drought. The blockage is removed by Verethragna (Vahram), andTishtrya (Tir) gathers up the waters and spreads them over the earth (Zam) as rain. In stories with eschatological significance, Sraosha (Sarosh), Mithra (Mihr) and Rashnu(Rashn) are guardians of the Chinvat bridge, the bridge of the separator, across which all souls must pass.
It was more of a spring of water that gushed out of the rocks when Mithra shot it.
http://books.google.co.za/books?id=xRy8 … mp;f=false
Mithra never sacrificed a bull. It was Mithras.
The practice of depicting the god slaying a bull seems to be specific to Roman Mithraism. According to David Ulansey, this is "perhaps the most important example" of evident difference between Iranian and Roman traditions: "... there is no evidence that the Iranian god Mithra ever had anything to do with killing a bull."
David Ulansey. Author of. THE ORIGINS OF THE MITHRAIC MYSTERIES (Oxford University Press, 1991)
Mithras created life when he slaughtered the bull.
That is absolute nonsense.
There is absolutely no evidence in the tauroctony (bull slaying scene) that suggests that the milky way was formed from the bull’s blood and allowing souls to go to heaven.
In fact, the bull represents the earth.
“The idea of the bull representing the celestial constellation of Taurus is based on the assumption that the tauroctony is a representation of the night sky; a celestial map. With a celestial map, the point of view is from the earth looking upwards to the sky. If, however, the tauroctony were not so much a celestial map, but rather, an emblematic portrayal of a geocentric cosmology, then this would give the bull a completely different meaning. With most visual representations of geocentric cosmologies, the Earth is shown at or near the centre of the image. If we follow this logic, it would lead us to the conclusion that the bull itself represents the Earth.
The question might be asked, why use the image of a bull to represent the Earth? In classical mythology the Earth is usually represented by a female divinity or symbol.Rarely, if ever, do we see the male aspect used to symbolize the Earth as a whole. Titans might be used to represent a monstrous volcano but no male emblem is ever used to portray the entire planet. Why use a male symbol rather than the usual female one? The cult seems to have held a strong bias in favour of the male sex. If we look for ‘female’ sexed emblems in the tauroctony, we find very few. Only Luna and the planet Venus (virtually impossible to replace with male emblems) are clearly female. (This bias against the female sex even extended to membership. Up until recently it was generally believed that the cult was completely closed to women.)
There is nothing in the mythology of the bull that precludes it from being used as a symbol for the Earth. The bull does not have any single mythography; it holds no specific meaning. A survey would show that its use is varied and numerous. It can represent male strength and virility. Zeus raped (carried off Europa) in the guise of a bull. It can seem to represent the ill-tempered and destructive male drives that must and are restrained. It seems to have also represented an invading and terrorizing entity, a group or an individual, man or beast. This can be seen as an undercurrent in both the stories of the bull of Marathon and the Minotaur.  And yet it can also act as a symbol of fertility and abundance. The bull was also used as an emblem for female divinities such as Luna, Artemis and Hera. (In the case of Hera, it would be more accurate to say that her association is with oxen.) The point being that the bull, as a symbol, is so wide-ranging and varied that outside of the context of its use, it could mean almost anything.
In the ancient world the bull, as an actual animal, was readily known to all. It would easily have been identified as one of the largest, most powerful and ill-tempered animals in domestication. (The auroch or wild bull was still alive in legend while almost completely extinct in the wild.) As a male symbol for the Earth, the bull would have been an excellent candidate: massive, powerful, immovable, unpredictable, unruly, and yet a potent and virile source of abundance.
If we look at the tauroctony in this new light, we begin to recognize certain similarities with other portrayals of geocentric cosmologies. These portrayals place the Earth at or near the centre of the image, as we see in the tauroctony. Portrayals of geocentric cosmologies (if not all cosmologies) tend to have highly circular compositions.Likewise, the tauroctony, despite being presented most often in a rectangular format, has a strong circular compositional flow. Emblems are placed around the central pair of Mithras and the bull in a circular fashion.
Many tauroctonies show the bull’s tail as a sheaf of grain. This is a further, convincing indication that the bull represents the Earth. Grain grows from the Earth as it does from its symbol, the bull. Furthermore, there are numerous instances where the blood flowing out of the wound inflicted by Mithras is represented as stalks of grain or a cluster of grapes.
We also see portrayals of the bull being captured and carried by Mithras (presumably to be brought back to the cave).  There is nothing in this that contradicts our belief that the bull symbolizes the Earth. Rather, it reinforces the symbol, and lends meaning or a possible interpretation to what Clauss calls, “The Sacred Narrative.”
As well, there are examples of Mithras portrayed as Atlas, carrying a globe.Presumably this globe represents the celestial spheres. (It is a common misconception that Atlas is carrying a globe that represents the Earth when in fact it is the celestial spheres.) Again, there is nothing contradictory about this. Rather, it reinforces the idea that the bull represents the Earth. If Mithras is capable of controlling and carrying the Earth, as symbolized by the bull then he is also capable of carrying the celestial spheres, as Atlas did.”
“The Banquet Scene
Closely linked to the tauroctony is what has come to be known as the ‘banquet scene’ or the ‘feast scene.’ It shows Mithras and Sol in what appears to be a banquet. It is often presented as a carving on a stone tablet; verso to the tauroctony. It is generally believed that this is a feast being shared by the two gods in celebration of the successful sacrifice of the bull. This feast is partaken over the skin or carcass of the bull. The grapes, bread and wine of a meal are all present.
In the light of our thesis proposing that the bull is a symbol for the Earth, this feast scene takes on a new meaning. We could maintain that the bull still represents the Earth, however, in the form of a carcass or hide. (It is interesting to note the story of Dido and her negotiations for the purchase of land for the establishment of Carthage. She was allowed to buy as much as could be covered by the hide of a bull. This lends credence to the idea that the hide of the bull symbolizes the face of the earth.) Sol has entered the scene from his usual position of the upper left-hand corner. It is after sunrise and he is present with Mithras. Radiant Sol, with Mithras in attendance, illuminates the bull’s hide, symbol of the Earth’s surface. Often with this verso image, we see Luna portrayed in the upper left-hand corner as opposed to her customary upper right-hand corner in the tauroctony. She is seen moving out towards the left-hand edge. So we can assume that the cardinal directions on the verso image are maintained in terms of the physical edges of the tablet. This means that on the tauroctony side, left is east and on the verso image left is west. This implies a symbolic connection between the two; one is the ‘flip’ side of the other. One side has Sol absent; the other has him fully present. We could then conclude that the tauroctony is a portrayal of the cosmos by night and the feast scene is a portrayal of the cosmos by day. Using the presentation device of the two sides of a single tablet is a natural expression of the revolving concept of night and day. Working in full cooperation with each other, the deities move the daily cycle forward.
And so we have come to the mystery of the sacred meal. The blood of the bull shed by Mithras provides for rich soil that in turn yields crops. And thus in turn provides the bread and wine that is our daily sustenance.”
There is no art that alludes to Mithras sacrificing himself. This is what they ate at the banquet:
On the reverse of the Mithraic relief from Heddernheim, Sol and Mithras are lying together behind the slain bull (Fig. 24). Elsewhere both gods or their followers are sometimes seen lying on the bull's skin, emphasising once again the magic power which they seek to extract from it. On the Konjic relief, the Raven and Lion, both wearing the masks of their grade, serve food and drink, (Fig. 5) which in these scenes consists of bread, fruit and sometimes fish. On the Heddernheim relief the attendants, dressed as torch-bearers, are offering baskets containing bread or fruit and Sol is handing his companion a bunch of grapes, a gift which Mithras regards with awe. A terra sigillata bowl found at Trier and probably used at the sacred meal shows how the attendant served the bread; at Dura-Europos we have already seen the gods receiving small pieces of meat skewered on a spit; in the representation of the repast in the Aventine Mithraeum a Lion is carrying a cake in a class dish. From the refuse-pits which are often discovered close to Mithraic sites the bones of bulls, boars, sheep, and birds have been found, and the natural deduction is that normally the bull's flesh was consumed and its blood drunk. However, if no bull was available or if the animal was too costly, one either had to be content with the flesh of other animals, generally smaller domesticated breeds, or else with bread and fish as substitutes for meat, and wine for blood.
This was a celebration because Mithras had killed the bull with his bear hands. Not an easy feat. See imagery below. This is no indication of solemnity during the feast like Jesus’ last supper. After all, Mithras didn’t die for his people. He just ascended into heaven on a chariot which is kind of obvious where that comes from.
Baptism was actually a Jewish practice and did not originate with Christianity. Judaism preceded Mithraism.
What art form depicts this?
The author of this article is obviously thinking that Mithra and Mithras are the same deity, which is not true.
Mithra is indeed a yazata (They are also the guardians of the celestial bodies and the messengers of Ahura Mazda )but he is also the most potent and most glorious of the yazata. "Ahura-Mazda established him to maintain and watch over all this moving world." 1 It is through the agency of this ever-victorious warrior that the Supreme Being destroys the demons and causes even the Spirit of Evil, Ahriman himself, to tremble.
Perhaps that means protection. Also:
Mithra is additionally the protector of cattle, and his stock epithet is "of wide pastures." He is guardian of the watersand ensures that those pastures receive enough of it.
“His is the beneficent genius that accords peace of conscience, wisdom, and honor along with prosperity, and causes harmony to reign among all his votaries. The devas, who inhabit the places of darkness, disseminate on earth along with barrenness and suffering all manner of vice and impurity. Mithra, "wakeful and sleepless, protects the creation of Mazda" against.”
This is a bit of a stretch trying to bring together Jesus and Mithra. There are always gods of protection in mythology.
The Iranian Mithra was said to be born of the virgin goddess Anahita but is actually contradicted when she is sometimes also said to be his consort. So now there are two versions of her story. But we are interested in Mithras because Christianity is supposed to be a spin-off of Mithraism.
“There is little notice of the Persian god [Mithra] in the Roman world until the beginning of the 2nd century, but, from the year AD 136 onward, there are hundreds of dedicatory inscriptions to Mithra. This renewal of interest is not easily explained. The most plausible hypothesis seems to be that Roman Mithraism was practically a new creation, wrought by a religious genius who may have lived as late as c. AD 100 and who gave the old traditional Persian ceremonies a new Platonic interpretation that enabled Mithraism to become acceptable to the Roman world” (Article entry: Mithraism 2004 edition)
By that time, the gospels had already been written down so Christianity could not possible have borrowed from Mithraism.
These are very poor comparisons and you need to watch out for these logical fallacies:
1) Arguments offered to “prove” a Christian dependence on the mysteries illustrate the logical fallacy of false cause. This fallacy is committed whenever someone reasons that just because two things exist side by side, one of them must have caused the other. As we all should know, mere coincidence does not prove causal connection. Nor does similarity prove dependence.
(2) Many alleged similarities between Christianity and the mysteries are either greatly exaggerated or fabricated. Scholars often describe pagan rituals in language they borrow from Christianity. The careless use of language could lead one to speak of a “Last Supper” in Mithraism or a “baptism” in the cult of Isis. It is inexcusable nonsense to take the word “savior” with all of its New Testament connotations and apply it to Osiris or Attis as though they were savior-gods in any similar sense.
(3) The chronology is all wrong. Almost all of our sources of information about the pagan religions alleged to have influenced early Christianity are dated very late. We frequently find writers quoting from documents written 300 years later than Paul in efforts to produce ideas that allegedly influenced Paul. We must reject the assumption that just because a cult had a certain belief or practice in the third or fourth century after Christ, it therefore had the same belief or practice in the first century.
http://withalliamgod.wordpress.com/2011 … istianity/
No Claire, Mithraism, as a Persian religion was practiced as early as 1500BC, long before Christ. Then, the Persian mystic Zarathustra subordinated the story of Mithra in 600BC to depict the struggle of good and evil culminating in a judgement day, again long before the Christ.
*Bangs head on keyboard*.
Did you not read my comment on logical fallacies? There has ALWAYS been a battle between good and evil and accountability in the after-life. So suddenly the gospel writers researched into Persian mythology. How?
Thanks for your lack of refutation. Hardly surprising.
This wasn't a matter of refutation, it was simply a matter of showing that Christianity and other religions before it were based on very similar beliefs.
You can bang your head on the keyboard all you want, but those facts will never change.
Arguing over which God is the omnipotent one is not going to solve your needless problem. You have to understand that the world have so many different beliefs and it is impossible to percolate your ideology in every country. Do not use force because it is simply too unethical.
Excuse me! but please stop displaying your ignorance.
We need a "combative" category within the "Religion and Philosophy" forum, as I thought most of us are aware that Islamic faith and Muhammad mostly stem from a militaristic background? Praise be plutonium?
A pack of lies formulated by the Orientalists.Please study history books written by authentic scholars not bigots.islam was spread by the power of examplery character traits not the sword.This is Enemy propaganda.
Islam was spread by the sword, and that is why it is a false religion.
For sure. Wonderful character traits exhibited by the murder of little girls because they attend school. Or torture of women that were raped by their friends and forced to marry the rapist or spend their life in jail because of the rape. Or killing whole families because Dad doesn't pray correctly or Mom talked to a strange man. Or teaching the concept that killing an American will get a child to heaven with their 70 virgins.
Admirable character traits, indeed.
Don't forget that muhammed married aisha when she was six years old, but was a man about it and didn't consummate the marriage until she was ten.
How anyone can make a holy man out of a child molester beats the hell outa me.
It's easy - just ignore such actions and pretend they didn't happen. It's all a terrible lie made up by detractors, and even it true - well, it's Allah's will. Allahu Akbar.
Have you ever seen the jihadi joe commercial? It's on youtube, if you haven't seen it, it's good for a laugh.
please go through the following link... it seems marriage at a young age was common even in england and usa in the 1500's - 1600's too... that was only 400 years ago...
the article has a bibliography too if you might like to verify the contents.
This is not a forum. This is just a stupid opinion. In fact I have no idea what you are talking about. I think you need to go take this up with Allah and Jesus, are you going to be the referee?
Listen to the views of the other party also.Then your decision will not be lopsided.All religions of the world endorse justice and equinamity.decide the case like a true judge taking all evidence in to account.Avoid hate speeches and literature. these guys have hidden agendas and camouflage the truth.with love and respect to you all.signining out.God bless all
none are omnipotent....it is only wish of human to have someone omnipotent...
It's human nature to want to believe in a god of some sort. Which one simply depends on where and when you were born. Totally pointless arguing that your god exists but someone else's god doesn't, while they have the same argument with you. If you want to believe in a god then do it and don't worry about what god someone born in a different country believes in.
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