Can God Lie?

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   haj3396posted 11 years ago

   The scripture is clear God can not lie.   Titus 1:2 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;Question, Why cannot Godlie? I thought God could do all things?

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      Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      He can do anything He wants to.
      He doesn't lie because He is good.  He is the only "Good".
      
      Why?  Would you WANT Him to lie?  God forbid.
      
      A friend of mine once said something I had to ponder.  She said if God were "bad", she'd still have to worship Him because HE IS GOD.
      She's right.  Indeed, both she and I are glad He IS a GOOD God.

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         AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         If God were "bad," wouldn't we not be capable of recognizing it...for if God was bad; and for some strange reason we still existed (for his evil purposes) undoubtedly we would have no concept of what good is. Therefore bad would not be "bad." Everything would just be normal....just a thought...

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         haj3396posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         That was a great comment, this was a question in a study, what is it God can not do? I agree with you God can do what ever He want, so why wouldn't he lie, because he chose not to.

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      DoubleScorpionposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know if he can lie, but he changed his mind a few times...

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   Eric Newlandposted 11 years ago

   Can God create a horse so dead even He can't beat it?
   
   Anyway, the Greek "apseudes" is the word being translated as "that/who cannot lie" in most biblical translations. It appears nowhere else in the Bible.
   
   The word's most literal translation seems to be "without lie; truthful." So despite the chosen wording, I think what that passage is really saying is that God DOES not lie. Sorry, it's not a sleight against His omnipotence. Try again.

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      Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      If, to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction, then truth in one perspective is a lie in the other and the opposite is also true. Everything is the truth...and everything is a lie. Have a nice day!

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         Eric Newlandposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Newtonian metaphysics?

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            Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Sounds good. I already accept that Einstein proved God.

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   gracefaithposted 11 years ago

   Ooh that's a good point! We do have to worship Him, so it's a blooming good thing that He IS good!!

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   Druid Dudeposted 11 years ago

   The universe is perfect. Math agrees. With math, everything is predictable...if you have enough data. There is no worship. Just acknowledgement. Like it or not, we are part of the all. We are the strangest creature on this world. Why are we so different? Without control, we devolve into an animal ready to kill, and it doesn't take long. What is our purpose? Without a divine concept...there is no purpose. What are we here to do? Without a spiritual nature, we have no reason for being other than to survive....dog eat dog, eye for an eye.

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      gracefaithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Haha Dru, that was so convoluted
      
      Go and say what you said without the philosophical mumbo-jumbo
      
      I have no idea where the eating dogs came from....
      
      Grace

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         Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         God can tell us whatever he wants to. He's God. Lying is a human concept, just as Good or Evil. On the divine level, it has no context.

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            Druid Dudeposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            As God speaketh, so does it become, so God only speaks the truth.

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               gracefaithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

               One thing cannot exist without it's opposite (any attempt to suggest otherwise is just wordplay)
               
               "I am the Truth"
               
               "The Devil was a liar and a murderer from the beginning"
               
               Context in the Word Of God- which became flesh and was human, yes, but entirely divine. Divine context enough for me. Are we playing more at semantics here than simplicity, which is in it's nature, truth?

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   AshtonFireflyposted 11 years ago

   God did lie. He told Abraham that he wanted Abraham to sacrifice Isaac, but He really didn't...right?

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      Disappearingheadposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      No. As I understand it God was binding himself to sacrifice his own son 2000 years later. That is, if Abraham was prepared to sacrifice his son for God, then by the terms of the covenant with Abraham, God is compelled to sacrifice His son for Abraham's descendants. The place where Abraham was told to go to make the sacrifice was the same location that Jesus was crucified.

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         AshtonFireflyposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Well yes...I understand the analogy...but...my point was, Abraham wasn't aware that God really didn't want him to sacrifice Isaac. But God told him that He wanted him to. It was deception in a way....
         I was referencing the nature of the act itself, not the symbolism of the act..

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      gracefaithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      It's more the case that God told him to do it which was a test sure, but not a lie. If God had said "your son will be sacrificed" then that would have been a lie. God has never said something will happen that will not happen, he has never described something other than how it is. He told someone to do something, but he didn't tell them they WOULD do it or that it WOULD occur. And then yes, God himself paid the price with the lamb, and then his son, but that is aside from this as a possible example of God lying.
      
      If a parent tells a child to go and do something that is not a good thing to do in the sense that they are giving them an opportunity to learn a lesson, then they will stop them before they actually get to it.It's like when a parent tells a child to swim and knows that they can't, but they are there to sweep the child up when they start to struggle. It's not a lie but an imperitive to do that the parent, and our Father God offered. They both provide the means to meet our needs in the end as well.
      
      God offered Abraham the ability to learn in a 'controlled' environment what he needed to learn about God's provision.
      
      In short, asking someone to do what you know they can't do isn't a lie, it's probably not often helpful for those besides God though

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         haj3396posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Where have you people been, I have been looking for this great communication for years.

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            gracefaithposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            LOL, it is some good chat, in answer to a good question! Thanks for posting

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         CJ Sledgehammerposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Good stuff, Fiona, I am so glad to see you here. :0)
         
         The bottom line is the Almighty cannot violate His own character. Love is the core of God's character and lying is not loving.

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   pisean282311posted 11 years ago

   @ts if u study ot and nt back to back...your answer would be yes...

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