In today's world, guys act way too feminine and girly. Women, want to act like men in many ways. Men don't act like men, they are too feminine in many ways, and women want to do everything a man can do. They aren't happy with their God-given roles. God created them MALE AND FEMALE....there is no between. He created men to be the bread winners and yake care of the family, and He created women to be "keepers at home". Yet, women usually don't fulfill that role, instead they have jobs and the home suffers. I understand sometimes it is necessary, but in most cases it is not. God created men and women differently. Women are not any less than men, that is not what I am saying. The highest call a woman has is to take care of her home and family.
Why can't people be happy doing what they were created to do?
Oh Zeus! Yes, he is much more sensible than the one in the silly old myth book called the bible.
I really believe no person can have true fulfillment in life outside of God's will. There is no true, meaningful, lasting joy without God's direction in life.
This is simply your opinion, you do realize this, right?
No, actually, this is based on God's Word which will always come true no matter the opposition it faces
Well ask him to help you out with your writing if this is the case. But wait, he didn't help the writers of the bible make any sense so, never mind!
You say this because your spiritual eyes are darkened and cannot understand Scriptural truths.
And you say this because you were indoctrinated into your silly archaic beliefs as a child in some backwoods church.
Eh, wrong. Any household that can live on one person's income in this day and age is pretty much rich.
Like I said, sometimes it is needed, but most times not. You see, if you live as God intended, and put Him first, He will supply.
All you have to do is trust Him and follow His Word.
Go tell that to the starving children in Africa.
Thou shalt not put the Lord your God to the test, and all that.
It would be blatantly irresponsible for my wife to quit her job and me to go, "Ok, God, I'll just keep doing what I'm doing and You can just pick up these student loans, all right?"
And my wife actually kind of WANTS to stay at home, at least until any and all children we're going to have are in school. Not gonna happen, though, unless there's a Chapter 7 involved.
So kindly do not judge people based on an apparently very sheltered assumption of what "most" people can afford to do.
That's a very sexist view. Just because you believe people were created (even though there is no proof or evidence for that) doesn't mean that everyone should act how you want them to.
Butch females and girly men have existed in nature for as long as we know. It exists in the animal world too. It is simply nature. We are all different. Some men have more testosterone than others and some women have more estrogen than others.
I'm not shocked or surprised.
your findings is true in the present world, but it is irrelevant too. In this wold of competition everyone have to work hard so as to taste success. Women are no longer men's slaves. They will have to work if they want to succeed in life. That is nothing masculine. its a simple common sense.
To bypass the whole god thing, where are you drawing your facts from? You do realize that what is considered masculine or feminine is based on culture and varies from place to place and society to society. To be honest, I first thought this was satirical because of how ridiculous it was— but didn't see a punchline of sorts at the end.
@ Emily Spark. I didn't read all the responses to your original post so I just want to say something about it.
First, didn't God create everyone even the men who act feminine and the women who act masculine?
I want to know when did God make us judge and jury of mankind?
I feel sorry for people who refuse to love others because they are different. There are women who were born with more male hormones and men born with female hormones that would make them act and function a certain way. On the other hand these people only have one person to answer to and that is God himself.
I also want to point out that a man with sensitivity is no less a man because he function against your beliefs and neither is a female less so because she does not conform to your rules.
I say, leave the judgement to God because he made us all. Love thy neighbour as you would yourself.
Oh and since you brought God into the picture, "remove the plank from your eyes before you attempt to remove the mote from someone else".
Not only that, but He created feminine men and masculine women in His own image as well.
Chew on that thought for a while, Emily, as you degrade other people for not being as you think they should be.
Well said, Cardisa.
Wilderness, what people fail to realize is that God has no specific gender, he is neither male nor female and yet he is both. He is depicted on earth as male but God is a spirit and he is beyond our comprehension as humans. We need to stop doing crazy and hurtful things in his name or on his behalf. He didn't ask us to be the defenders of the earth. All he ask is that we serve him and love each other. Love is acceptance in spite of and not because of. When we learn to love we will be able to see people without the veil on our faces.
You do realize that there is what we call change. Good or bad, change is inevitable and it is part of social phenomenon. There are changes in economy, micro - macro, technological advancement, mass media etc. Your role whether as a student, wife or whatever changes and is affected by socio-economic and political changes.
One of the main reasons for that is the single motherhood. If a boy doesn’t have a male role model, he will NOT become a man. A girl also needs a male role model. That is the only way that she will understand and get along with men in her adult life. It has nothing to do with the advancement of society. It is the other way around. It has to do with the immigration from third world countries and their culture. In the third world countries, men are not real men; otherwise they would rise up and make changes. Women never start revolutions. They are survivors. That happens because in inferior countries, they disregard the traditions, that were left us by the maker, and having many children without marriage, and live a life without the care for tomorrow (here they get a welfare). I can tell you that I have lived in 2 other countries other than USA, for a while. One of them was Israel. I served in Israeli army for 5 years as an officer. Israelis don’t raise their boys in a feminine way and 90% of them are very careful not to bring a baby to this world, without the family unit. Israeli men are mostly real man. That is why Israeli army is considered one of the strongest and bravest in the world, despite the fact that it is a tiny country with population of 6 million. It has fought wars against armies 20 times larger and won! I can assure you that Israeli women are not weak; they are the strongest women in the world, but they follow the culture. The other country was Georgia (in Europe) and it is the same thing there. At the time of Soviet Union Georgia was considered the most advanced in education and economy, out of all the other 15 countries.
"One of the main reasons for that is the single motherhood. If a boy doesn’t have a male role model, he will NOT become a man. A girl also needs a male role model. That is the only way that she will understand and get along with men in her adult life."
Wow. I hardly know where to begin, but I do find it rather telling that according to you, boys need male role models and girls need male role models, but boys with female role models apparently become "unmanly." Nice.
"It has to do with the immigration from third world countries and their culture. In the third world countries, men are not real men; otherwise they would rise up and make changes. Women never start revolutions. They are survivors. That happens because in inferior countries, they disregard the traditions, that were left us by the maker, and having many children without marriage, and live a life without the care for tomorrow (here they get a welfare)."
LOL, most third world countries have much, MUCH stricter gender roles than the US. That's part of the reason they're third world countries - they keep 51% of the population from productive participation in society because "a woman's place is in the home." In quite a few third world countries, a woman who has a child out of wedlock can be legally executed, either by her family in the form of an honor killing or by the state for "adultery."
Why can't people stop telling me how to be "a woman"? Being "a man" or "a woman" is whatever the individual wants and whatever is natural *for them*.
Ahh...that is pride and rebellion speaking from one who does not wish to accept the truth of God. You wish to live your way, which is contrary to the teuth of Gods Word.
I did not post this for a controversy. The Bible says those who are not saved have their heart darkened and cannot understand Scriptural truths. As I said, I do wish to argue. I asked a question for an honest answer, not attacking my position
If you did not post this for controversy you have a very limited understanding of the world and how it is filled with diverse people.
Define diverse? There are different people yes, but there are also fine lines to be drawn in using the term different. there are different colors, shapes, sizes, personalities yes, but different isn't ok when it controdicts Gods Word. Those I just mentioned aren't bad differences. You cannot look at sin and say" o, so and so is just different from everyone else and is therefore excused from obeying His Word".
You also made a lot of opinionated assertions along with your question. That's probably the reason you have so many argumentative responses.
No, the reason is no one wants to accept the truth of God because they wish to live their way and do not wish to be told how to live. This is because of mans pride and rebellion.
God created us and has all authority in telling us how to live. He does this in love, not dictatorship.
Is that why he made laws and punishes us in hell for breaking them?
the choice is yours......Heaven or Hell. God, in His love, sent His only Son Jesus to earth to die for our sins in order to make a way for us to escape Hell........Yes, I call that love
You are not asking to accept the word of God, but the word of you about what God wants.
He's never tapped me on the shoulder and told me to wear a dress, get married and have kids.
Well, actually, He does define what He created us for. It is in His Word, but you have to read it in order to heed it and know what He wishes.
I've read the silly novel already. It says women are supposed to keep their mouths shut and leave the preaching to men. Why don't you follow the teachings of your own favorite book if you are truly a christian? But you already know that if YOU'VE read your bible.
I am sure she never eats animals that are stunned before bleeding out. Must be inconvenient though. That and taking part in the regular stonings.
Oh, and the never missing worship and profit.
No actually it is because people don't like YOUR opinion. It's annoying when people start a post with "No", isn't it?
My opinion? I think not. I am simply stating what God Almighty has in His Word. You are not arguing and refusing to believe me, but God Himself.....which, may I add, is a very dangerous position to take.
Yeah and you are taking a very dangerous position by ignoring allah and not being a muslim.
I can talk nonsense too.
Allah is a man......human being. God is God Almighty, not human.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection
"Allah" is the arabic word for "God". Sorry, I don't mean to make you look stupid.
Mohammad is a man.....human being. Allah is the Arabic word for Yahweh/Elohim/Theos/Deus/God or whatever you want to call Him. It is all the same deity.
Of course, you are overlooking the fact that according to your belief, manly or not, they were still made in gods image and therefore your god must have made them like that on purpose.
maybe you should be arguing with your god about why he made them like that?
And why arent you in the kitchen making your master a sammich?
Ahhh....you act as if I am a slave....far from it. As I said, fulfillment comes from obeying His Word.
1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Thank you Jesus! Hey, that's the first time I've said that in a long time!
Finally, a Jesus I can believe in!
How do you men feel about being usurped, in a thread about righteous gender roles. no less?
If this were the biblical days she would be pelted by rocks or whipped soundly. Ah, acting godly back then was a man's business! These uppity women nowadays...
Did I personally ask or direct this to them? Assuming for a minute I was sinning in speaking to spread His Word, I believe they are the ones that joined in this convo. I did not force them in commenting.
You opined about your god and what HE wanted for both men and women. You messed up doing so. No one forced you to do this.
I messed nothing up.....I simply stated what He says in His Word and people dont like that because it goes against their sinful lifestyles.
I'm waiting for your justification for preaching in a site that has commerce on the same page. Seems inconsistent with the scriptures on the cleansing of the temple.
You must have missed the answer I already gave. I make no money writing on HubPages. And by the way, Jesus was speaking about His house, the church. This isn't church, is it?
So you are letting hubpages make the money--I don't think that solves the problem. Jesus didn't say priests couldn't run money changing tables, he said they shouldn't be in the temple at all, not even the outer court.
And I think the principle applies here very clearly. Just as Paul applies in the forums. You seem to have a non-conventional reading of gospels. The lesson is that God distinguishes between worship activities and everyday activities. The two are at times separated with regard to time, purpose, and circumstance.
i.e. not on the same webpage.
He says for you to keep silent! Why do you disobey the words of your god? Why are WE sinful because we don't obey his words and yet, you claim you don't have to? Typical christian. They like to judge others by the old myth book, but when it is pointed out they themselves are not obeying the scriptures they say, "Hey, what I do is okay, the scripture doesn't apply to me like that"!
Yes, I do indeed believe you are a christian. Self righteous, judgmental, full of denial, and of course, doomed to look ridiculous when faced with facts which you refuse to acknowledge. Better give old preach a call and set up a prayer meeting to try and save our wicked souls. Better take a plate of fried chicken with you. You know how Brother what-ever-his-name-is prays better when he's had a breast or two.
Lets put that in context.....he was speaking in relation to the church. This does not mean we cannot speak at all. We are told to spread the gospel, and unless mistaken, that requires talking
Good, then quote the scripture where it says women should spread the word.
You want to put it in context do you? Perhaps you would like to supply me with the verse preceding 1 Timothy 2:12 that states as such?
"1 Tim 2:8-11 — I will therefore that *men* pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; But ) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection."
I don't see an 'outside of church' exemption--quite the opposite. Can you please show where it is?
Just what we need, another judgmental baptist to save our souls with their silly god. Give me a break!!
What's your best guess? Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, Texas. or somewhere else in the bible belt? I'll go with Tennessee!
I say, to heck with gender roles and people should just be people, each one being true to their own nature and being themselves. Gender roles are fine for people who want to live by them, and there is nothing wrong with that. But everyone is different and not all of us want to travel down the same road. Why should anyone have to live a lie just to fit someone else's mold or standard of what they should be.
You ask, "Why can't people be happy doing what they were created to do?"
What makes you think they are not doing exactly that?
Because they are violating God's plan. Simple........
It must be nice having a perfect knowledge of God's will.
I've never met God, nor have I ever had a personal conversation with her were she told me what her plan was.
How fortunate that you have now met an infallible prophet of God.
First off, God is He, not she. No where in the Bible will you see God referred to in female pronouns.
Secondly, I am not a prophet, only a sinner saved by grace trying to share God's glorious gospel.
Why should God have any specific gender? Because some book that was written by men with their own agenda and for their own purposes, which had more to do with politics than religion, say God is male? And why would it be God's plan to make anyone live a lie? Gender roles were designed by men to keep women under their control.
why can't I walk around the house in high heels and cut off jeans in the mood strikes me?
Well, obviously no one can forcibly stop you, but you still violate God's Word whether in your home or in public. What is wrong in God's eyes is wrong no matter where you are.....home or abroad.
God said he doesn't want me walking in pumps???
"Verily, though shalt not don the footwear of a woman, lest thou also weareth the fishnets underneath. Then shall you also posteth it on Facebook and maketh it thy profile picture."--2 Greek Ones 3:69
I'm sure Dionysos would be totally down with that!
Haha.....it is the principle of the matter. His Word does say that men should not put on a womans garment and women are not to wear anything of a mans......those who do are an abomination.
where is that in the Bible? What if i look good in it.. better than most women in fact?
Paul also clearly says women should never instruct adult men, but you think it's okay to ignore that part because it goes against your lifestyle.
Actually, high heels were originally male attire, so Greek One could safely wear them without being ungodly.
I notice that you are skipping over suggestions that your own conduct might be unBiblical. This confirms that you get your information straight from God, I guess. No need to obey the book.
Let ye without sin cast the first plate of grits!
On a side note, how is evangelizing in hubs different from having moneylenders in the temple?
"My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves."
Come read about God, but your presence brings me money....
Simple, yet with hint of elegance and should go with anything. Perfect!
Greek One, you are so naughty, you're making me blush. Now I can't stop thinking about the heels and cut offs. But that aside, I think any "girlie" shoes worn by a man would be considered sinful.
What about androgynous footwear, like Crocs?
Question, why would any real man wish to wear something questionably feminine? I believe a true man wouldn't even wish to be seen as girly. That is what I mean, men are not men.
maybe i am SOOOO masculine that I can pull it off!
maybe I am SOOOO masculine that I have to be a little bit overtly feminine so not to scare off the women with my powerfully musky essence!
maybe I just like how the shows lift up my butt and arch my back just so?
That seems rather tautological reasoning.
It seems to me that what a man wants to do is manly, by definition.
I'm actually enjoying watching you talk. The lack of your awareness is literally the sort of thing that should be criminalized if seen.
I am a Man and what I am, who I am is not decided by you. Nor am I effected or affected by your ridiculous belief in a G/god.
You have hope, which is based on your faith. What is sad is that you are not even aware enough to realize that your own actions actually go against what you preach.
So you wear only sandals? These were the footwear worn by women in biblical days, or am I incorrect? It's hard to believe you only wear dresses and robes and no pants, jeans, boots, sneakers? Or are you aware of what was considered women's and men's clothing in those days. I don't believe the ladies even wore dresses back then. You really didn't think this one out very well did you?
I do only wear dresses amd skirts. I do not wear pants of any kind. The Bible commands women to dress modestly.....this excludes pants, etc
Where does they bible say pants are immodest? It seems mainly concerned that you should always wear a hat (which you obviously always do).
Seems like you want us to do stuff that is in your head, not actually in the Bible.
Ergo, you must be the second coming. It's the only logical conclusion.
Seems like pants would be more modest than a skirt or dress.
I think anything but three petticoats and brushing the floor is indicative of a tendency to fornicate.
But nothing is worse than not wearing a hat. That suggests a tendency to not accept the authority of angels, and husbands (both of whom regard the female from above).
You say this why? Pants outline a womans body, revealing her body to all
Pants cover all skin, if you fall over skirts don't.
Still waiting for the part of the Bible than condemns pants.
Already gave it to you. Modesty issue and women are not to wear anything pertaining to a man.
Where does it say pants are immodest, or manly? Quote? If the Bible is your source, it is your source--not your local fashion police.
I mean, how manly can pants be when Jesus didn't wear them? Is God a fashion victim?
In Emily's defense, Psycheskinner, I do remember a verse pertaining to pants that went something like "It is easier to enter the eye of a camel toe than the kingdom of heaven"
Falling over? You are going to use this excuse? Ok, if thats the case, no clothing is modest.....I mean, after all, anything can happen......accidents......someoe coud rip your pants off or they could bust.......you cannot use that....
I am saying that if you wear a skirt a man will inevitably see your leg skin. If you wear pants, they won't. (Especially if you have weather, or move.)
It's subjective and not in the Bible. Ergo I don't accept it as biblical in origin. Any more than other people saying you can't let a man see your face. It's arbitrary, not doctrinal.
C'mon Emily? Only sandals or what? It's a sin not to answer if you're guilty! Jesus is watching, you know!
Who said sandals were wrong? I didn't.....God's Word doesn't either
Doesn't say it about pants either. You like to pick and choose your obedience. To suit your lifestyle?
Nope.....it is the principle. I am done arguing. I cannot help it if tou refise to accept the truth. Obviously you will continue to refuse everything the Bible says, so there is no use in me keeping this going. I have stated the reasons said in His Word.
Well thanks for the laughs, Emily! I think you ought to come here and give us more of YOUR version of the bible scripture more often. Perhaps you need to give your minister a copy of this thread and let him tell you how HE would have handled it.
We don't believe her truth that she just made up.
I asked if you only wore sandals and not other type shoes, such as sneakers or other lace up shoes? I also asked if you were Church of God or Holiness Baptist. This would explain pretty much everything to me. I live amongst many here in southern Georgia.
Now we're getting there. Holiness Baptist or Church of God? And you only wear sandals, right? God hasn't approved anything else, has he?
it's funny how ultra-conservatives have so much in common, isn't it
Men are men, they just don't fit in with how you want them to be.
Aw man, the topic got changed. Now my parody thread just looks random and confusing.
Line up, Ladies.. Line up!
Greek One is serving up some sweet loving and smokes
I have it on good authority that Jesus wore what would, these-a days, be called a frock.
Or possibly a maxidress.
I'm a girl, and by me that's only great!
I am proud that my silhouette is curvy,
That I walk with a sweet and girlish gait
With my hips kind of swivelly and swervy.
I adore being dressed in something frilly
When my date comes to get me at my place.
Out I go with my Joe or John or Billy,
Like a filly who is ready for the race!
When I have a brand new hairdo
With my eyelashes all in curl,
I float as the clouds on air do,
I enjoy being a girl!
When men say I'm cute and funny
And my teeth aren't teeth, but pearl,
I just lap it up like honey
I enjoy being a girl!
I flip when a fellow sends me flowers,
I drool over dresses made of lace,
I talk on the telephone for hours
With a pound and a half of cream upon my face!
I'm strictly a female female
And my future I hope will be
In the home of a brave and free male
Who'll enjoy being a guy having a girl... like... me.
When men say I'm sweet as candy
As around in a dance we whirl,
It goes to my head like brandy,
I enjoy being a girl!
When someone with eyes that smoulder
Says he loves every silken curl
That falls on my ivory shoulder,
I enjoy being a girl!
When I hear the compliment'ry whistle
That greets my bikini by the sea,
I turn and I glower and I bristle,
But I'm happy to know the whistle's meant for me!
I'm strictly a female female
And my future I hope will be
In the home of a brave and free male
Who'll enjoy being a guy having a girl... like... me
I was with you on this until you brought up god. I am a happy stay at home mom of 3 children. I believe in a man working and a woman staying home. I do this because my husband deserves it. After working 12 hours the last thing he needs is to come home and be rushed to do more work. I take pride in knowing he is fed and has clothes to wear the next day. I take pride in knowing strangers are not caring for my children. However I am an Atheist. I do not believe there is a god that needs to tell me something so common sense. Why would I want my husband to be miserable? Common sense has nothing to do with God.
Good for you, but people should be allowed to live their lives how they want, without other people judging them. If you personally want to be a mom and homemaker and it's within your means to do so, that's great. However, don't say that it's "common sense" to choose that life, which implies that those who don't have no common sense. When my husband and I both worked, we shared the duties around the house, and neither one of us was "miserable." (And perhaps if you had a job as well, your husband wouldn't need to work 12 hours? Just a random thought... I don't know if his job forces him to work that much or if he does so out of necessity).
(By "necessity," I mean economic necessity, of course. Just thought I'd better clarify before somebody jumps on me for that one...)
When I said common sense I meant it would be common sense if a woman was already home (as in not working) to ensure that her home and family were cared for. I would also say it is common sense that if 2 are both working they share the house load. However I think if a woman chooses to work outside the home while her children are still home it is wrong. The only reason a woman should work outside the home is if needed for economical or psychological reasons. To choose to not take care of your children is wrong in my opinion. As for me I work from my house (psychologically needed) and my husband works 12 hours because they ask him to not out of necessity. It helps add to early retirement.
Should I feel like the bible or should I feel like myself? I decided to feel like myself, the concept being why let a book tell me how to feel.
Since hell was invented by the church to establish and maintain control over the general population, I wouldn't worry too much about it. But, your statement makes me wonder... if there is a hell, who would go there... those who live lives true to themselves, or those who live the lie? To lie is a sin, so if I walk around pretending to be something I'm not just because of a certain belief system that says if I don't conform I'm going to be forever damned, won't I be damned either way? So if one is damed if they do and also damned if they don't... than I say go for it, live your life by and for your own standards and let the chips fall where they may.
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