Spiritual Dishonesty

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   Castlepalomaposted 12 years ago

   Is Intellectual Dishonesty equal to Spiritual Dishonesty? 
   
   Are hypocritical religious leaders more dishonest than politicians, investment bankers, lawyers, or used car salesmen? Do Clergyman top the charts for exaggerated truth and false promises?
   
   The world is 99% unknown to everyone of us, it it not a hypocritical to claim your Religion as the only spiritual way?
   
   Yahweh is flawed by words then by peoples actions, then these people give unforgiving threats of hell condemning the mass majority who do not accept him, is this honest or dishonest for most people on earth, who will never accept him?
   
   If the world is 99% unknown,  is it not dishonest to sell your  soul and integrity to the highest bidder or to our closest social religious program in your community?
   
   Pretend, I am a 4 years old, please explain why your religion is the only spiriual way while all other are dishonesty?

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      Mighty Momposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Dishonesty is dishonesty.
      In all of the examples given, someone holds himself out as having special knowledge the other person doesn't have and uses that insider knowledge to gain the unsuspecting person's trust, loyalty (and money).
      
      I have a heard time mixing money and spirituality. It seems the height of wrongness, somehow.
      
      As to selling you as a 4-year-old on my religion as the only true one, mine has the strongest defenses against the Devil. So if you want that pesky Devil to leave you alone stick with us. ALso, God likes our house best cuz it's really big and has colored windows and a marble altar and brass candlesticks.
      God likes his house to be nicely decorated.
      Ha ha.

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Watching fictional super hero of today, reminds me of med evil times fairy tales of the Bible.  Many are trained to fight the Evil Villain Devil in which only exist in their mind . Knowing that the devil is not real, being fearlessly allow one to thrive in life rather than survive by false Satan to blame.
         
         What is it ? "Satan the root of all evil or is it money", Money is mainly stored energy, who ask Christians to hate their children or wife/husband or to hate your brother/sister, if they do not love their God first.
         
         Or was Satan to blame, It seem I can not get a straight, non contradicting or honest answer
         
         If these questions are too deep for a human to answer, it's OK go to your local clergyman to dial up God for an answers. I am sure you will wait a very long time on hold
         
         Love can wait, yet likely there will be another- not good enough answer in return

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            Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            No answers , is most often the clearest and sound answers

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      Chris Nealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Clergymen who engage in intentional falsehood are the worst. They turn people away from Christ. Honest clergy are not engaging in dishonesty.
      
      Intellectual dishonesty and spiritual dishonesty are not quite the same thing. To be spiritually dishonest requires using the intellect, to be certain, but intentionally being dishonest about eternal truths is not the same as constructing bizarre arguments for the sake of shoring up a point of view you cherish, right or wrong.
      
      
      
      I've seen you write that before. How so? I don't think we know 100% of  the world by any means, but only 1%? How do you arrive at that?
      
      
      
      It depends on why they're giving the threat. If they just want to keep people in line, then it's wrong. If God really has made it clear that there is a hell, whethere we think there should be or not, then it's a loving thing to want people to avoid it.
      
      
      
      That's a pretty strong statement.
      
      
      
      Son (and I wouldn't do this if you weren't my son, parents should teach their own children.) You've heard me say a lot that Jesus is Lord. What does that mean? That Jesus loves you and wants you to follow Him. You know, I didn't used to be a Chistian. God reached out to me, He talked to me. And I started reading the Bible and praying to God. He has proven that He loves me over and over again, and I'll tell you all about it. Just remember that Jesus loves you, son, and Dad loves you, and I would never steer you wrong.
      
      (What, you were expecting a pedantic lecture for a 4 year old?)

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         Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         chris-neal.
         
         Intellectual is much connected to the right to know,(ego)
         Spiritual is no longer spiritual when it is manifested into our ego self
         
         When a religion claim all spirituality like Yahweh claims to own all humanity and all life, Universe and everything in it. That is just an over ego group claiming within an over ego world, I could not imagine making such highly unlikely and unproven claims.
         
         Intellectual dishonesty and spiritual dishonesty are not quite the same thing. To be spiritually dishonest requires using the intellect, to be certain, but intentionally being dishonest about eternal truths is not the same as constructing bizarre arguments for the sake of shoring up a point of view you cherish, right or wrong.
         
         I love you too Chris, yet love is not everything
         
         I love JC too, yet christian misbehave worst trying too hard to be Christlike

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            Chris Nealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I couldn't quite follow your argument. I'll admit that I haven't done much study in the psychology of ego. I assume you're using Freud but I don't know.

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               Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               The spiritual ego would be an alien to human nature/ It would gradually be like a parasite feeding off its host it has taken over our entire functioning. Our real nature is infinite compassion and Love. . The self, is distinct from the world, a division of the psyche that is conscious, most immediately controls thought and behavior, and is most in touch with external reality. Ego is the right to know, Freud is more about the super ego which I have not studied much, because it deal with more the unconscious mind

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                  Chris Nealposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  That clears it up a little, but I must stress only a little. My familiarity with ego is in the sense that most people use it today, more like your sense of self, especially if you think well of yourself (an arrogant person being said to have a "big ego.")
                  
                  Marshal Mcluhan once said something to the effect that most books are 10% old information and 90% old information and that's how people process best. I'm sure that I have the percentages wrong, and I can't remember if it was said by Mcluhan or about Mcluhan (he wrote a book entitled The Medium is the Message.) My point here is you're hitting me with stuff I haven't heard before. Sorry that it makes me sound clueless, but here I am.

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                     Castlepalomaposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Your curious, that is the best way to learn and live

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