Your Choice: Being groped? Or being photographed nude? Has the TSA invasive sear

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   ptosisposted 14 years ago

   Your Choice: Being groped? Or being photographed nude? Has the TSA invasive searches made you decide
   
   NOT to go home for Thanksgiving or Christmas? Are the invasive new TSA airport screening procedures justifiable?   Top federal security officials said that the procedures are safe and necessary sacrifices.
   Ejected and threatened with a fine for refusing a groin check after turning down a full-body scan at San Diego airport, John Tyner told a Transportation Security Administration agent: "If you touch my junk, I'm going to have you arrested."
   
   How far is TOO FAR?
   
   beyond_the_full_body_scanners_by_tsa
   
   

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   ptosisposted 14 years ago

   
   
   The new search technique allows airport security screeners to use their fingers and palms to feel and probe  - even young children! How do you explain to your kids to stay away from perverted strangers yet it's OK to get groped in a airport?
   
   According to http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/11/new-tsa-pat … dures.html it says:
   
   * Pat-downs are conducted by same gender officers
   * All passengers have the right to request private screening at any point during the screening process
   * Anyone has the right to have a traveling companion present during screening in the private screening area.
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   Hey TSA: I would like a dinner and a movie first before you finger my anus and vagina and see me naked............
   
   http://www.associatedcontent.com/articl … y_tsa.html

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   melporposted 14 years ago

   I personally prefer the full body scanner. I do not want to stand up with my arms held out side to side and allow a TSA worker to touch and poke my body as if I am a criminal. Besides, they probably still will miss a hidden bomb because they will be hesitant to poke a little harder or do not poke some areas at all.

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   Thesourceposted 14 years ago

   I prefer be probed or photographed nude by some trained professional in the interest of maintaining security for air-travelers. This is far more preferable to me than having my body shredded by a bomb at 35,000 feet. If my opinion, do not make sense, I suggest they take a long road trip or go by boat overseas.
   
   Honestly, if there has been underwear bombs, shoe bombs and bombs in luggage, I don't see any other way of doing this in the near future.

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   justomposted 14 years ago

   You pose a very interesting ? as to the children. I never really thought about it but it would be hard to explain. The book cover cracks me up though!!

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   Coming of Ageposted 14 years ago

   They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety....Benjamin Franklin
   
   Old Ben wasn't flying the friendly skies, that I'll grant, but his point remains valid.....When is enough? Do folks get groped before getting on a train, what about a bus, into a taxi? Is that what comes next?
   
   Let's face it Tim McVeigh killed a lot of good people in Oklahoma without an airplane.
   
   The Metal detectors, electronic bomb sniffers, and now image scanners should be more than enough.

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   CMerrittposted 14 years ago

   It is MY opinion that we need to take a long look at what the Israeli’s are doing to keep its country safe.  They are way more subject to terrorism than we are.  Yet, they are using what I call, “commons sense”. They do simple background checks on each person, and have experts who are trained to ask the right questions to obtain crucial information by “suspicious passengers”.  They don’t get caught up in being politically correct, and yes, they simply “profile” all passengers.  There is nothing invasive or intrusive like groin checks, and they have the most effective system in place.  We should follow suit.

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   graphitehpposted 14 years ago

   The guy last week took the stand for all of us.
   
   T.S.A. needs be shown some law letters to be taught some respect.
   
   In my personal opinion we should name them "groin heads" because thats where they pull it out from.

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   CarolineChicagoposted 14 years ago

   I've always been nervous flier--and this just makes it all worse. Frankly, if it is feasible to drive, then that is what I am opting for. And if we take my mom with her metal knees on vacation with us, we'll have to drive. She'll flunk the scanner because of the knees, and thus have to be patted down. I just can't put my mom through something like that. And what if my preteen and teen kids get "patted" down? I doubt they'll ever fly again. My 13yo girl would be traumatized!

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    lindaceeposted 14 years ago

    I would prefer low levels of radiation over sexual assault any day, thank you.

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    clark farleyposted 14 years ago

    damn! how beautiful is the system?
    ...if the goal of terrorists is to engender and encourage a state of fear and anxiety in (a) populace, then everyone is contributing to this...the TSA and all of the other government agenices are on the front lines making sure that as many people as possible feel that there is an immediate and mortal threat to them (and everyone else)...otherwise why would they need to search body cavities?
    This is not to say there are not people out to hurt and kill other people...happens all the time, but mostly on a 'retail level', you know,  at home... at work... driving in your car.
    If it is a valid government function to take any and all steps to prevent the population from harm, shouldn't we have check points at schools (oh! forgot we have those) or at the door of the local Post Office and the toll booths (search for bottles and guns).
    I will resist the simplistic suggestion that people need to look within and realise that any life worth living is not risk-free.
    Rather I will indulge in saying, that (instilling and encouraging and maintaining ) fear in a population is so more effective a means of control than any weapon yet devised.
    We all know what we think we would do if 'the enemy' came to our shores' with armies..."why, we'd whip their asses, just like we done in WWII", but think about the fear thing...people are lining up to be controlled.
    damn! what a system

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    Wayne Brownposted 14 years ago

    As in anything that is run by our government, it eventually subscribes to the principle "do something so it will look like you are doing something".  What the government is doing with the TSA is creating a bunch of mindless human robots with very specific instructions or orders and no real level of judgement. In effect, they can be so busy carrying out the task of groping and screening that they miss the bomber coming through the line. Sure we need some precautions but ultimately the true effectiveness of this system will eventually come down to profiling and accurate intelligence.  For now, the government is unwilling to profile thus grandma gets groped and has no real time accurate intelligence such as the Israeli government uses very effectively.  This is a mental game and we have to get smarter in ways that do not publicly humiliate people and offer a false sense of seccurity. WB

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    Ghost32posted 14 years ago

    I made my choice in 2006, well before the Invasion of the Groin Snatchers had ratcheted up to its present level of intensity.  That is, my checked luggage had its locks cut off and tossed in the trash (I presume, since they were nowhere in evidence when the bag arrived at our destination).  This was somewhere between New York City and Butte, Montana.
    
    The innards of the bag had been thoroughly scrambled, but nothing was missing.
    
    Haven't flown since and don't intend to do so. 
    
    However, it's easy for me.  I AM home, so don't have to worry about "going home for Thanksgiving/Christmas".

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    dragonlady1967posted 14 years ago

    Leave it to our government to legalize molesting people calling it justified.  No matter what way you look at it...they are groping you or looking at you naked.  Hope they screen the TSA agents really well.  It would be disturbing to discover if any had Sexual Abuse charges of any kind in their pasts.

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    Cyrellysposted 14 years ago

    Oh this is just getting started folks....they aren't done rolling out all the toys to foist on the mushy apathetic public.  Check this out: 
    
    Full-Body Scan Technology Deployed In Street-Roving Vans   
    http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2 … ving-vans/
    
    nothing like driving along, shopping, running errands, or working; generally minding one's own business and having Big Brother via Big Sis drive past nuking you with Xrays without cause or permission. 
    
    We think we've got a cancer epidemic right now...I'd say we haven't seen the real epidemic yet.  Remember in hospitals you get draped in lead blankets before being X-rayed.
    
    And then there's the little matter of natural rights, constitutional rights, due process, etc.  I guess one should probably be asking just what laws are they NOT breaking with all this protectionism...because it'd be the smaller of the two possible lists.

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    mcrawford76posted 14 years ago

    I have an idea! How about we start up a fund, buy a bunch of airline tickets, and get the most grotesque human beings on the planet to go through airport screening. I mean people with boils and growths and sores. Think TSA might change their politics afterwards? I'm in for twenty bucks.
    
    Personally I plan never to fly again. I refuse to have myself or my daughters subjected to that. I feel sorry for anyone who has to travel for a living.

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