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Should hubs not moved to a niche site be deleted and rewritten?

  1. DrMark1961 profile image90
    DrMark1961posted 3 weeks ago

    Over 1/4 of my hubs have not been moved to a niche site. They do not have much traffic from Google, so it is not HPs fault that they have not been selected. There is nothing wrong with them, but they do not have "Google love" so are only moved in the slow process where I ask HP to move them to a niche site.
    Would I be better off deleting them, rewritting them with a new title, and publishing them again? I am not losing much from Google, since they are not ranked high in the SERPs,
    I have triend unpublishing and then republishing the same hubs after minor edits, as suggested by a helpful Hubber from Australia. That does not work.

    1. Marisa Wright profile image94
      Marisa Wrightposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      You've done spectacularly well, getting so many of your Hubs moved.  Congrats!

      I think I know what you're getting at with the other Hubs.  You could follow the advice to edit and improve, but it's still a lottery whether or when those improved Hubs will get moved to the new sites. Whereas if you delete and start again with new URL's, it's almost certain the new versions will be moved to PetHelpful soon after they are published.

      If those existing Hubs are getting so little traffic that you're not worried about losing reputation with Google, then deleting and creating new ones is definitely a much faster fix.  The only thing, as lobobrandon pointed out, is that you'll need to use a site like Copyscape to ensure they are not copied elsewhere.

      1. Paul Edmondson profile image
        Paul Edmondsonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        What Marissa says is true, but I'd suggest holding off deleting an article and republishing it. The age of an article matters. We are still curating and discussing reviewing articles to move under additional criteria.

  2. Jesse Drzal profile image88
    Jesse Drzalposted 3 weeks ago

    As long as the information is relevant still, I would touch them up the best you can and sit on them for now. Perhaps you will go back and see a new angle for it in the future. Just my opinion if it is good why delete. Just be happy with the couple extra views as well.

    1. SakinaNasir53 profile image84
      SakinaNasir53posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Hi DrMark1961! smile I agree with Jesse Drzal on this.

      I had edited one of my older hubs according to the current standards and it got moved to PetHelpful. There are 2 hubs still remaining out of my 10 hubs that haven't been moved, even though they are written like my other hubs on niche sites. I suggest that you don't delete them.

      1. DrMark1961 profile image90
        DrMark1961posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this


    2. DrMark1961 profile image90
      DrMark1961posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Thanks Jesse. I tried a significant edit on each one back in Novemeber, and although I still get a few from Pinterest the total per day is not significant. I appreciate your input.

  3. lobobrandon profile image83
    lobobrandonposted 3 weeks ago

    If I were you I would do it. Almost all my hubs are on niche sites and I do not have that many so I don't mind waiting the 14 days. But in your case deleting may be the best option. Maybe a fresh go on the URL too?

    Don't forget: Check for duplicate content on the web before you delete, you don't want to be the guy who is copying if you know what I mean.

    I do not see any real negative effects of doing what you want to do. Losing age and links is the only drawback, but that seems irrelevant here.

    1. DrMark1961 profile image90
      DrMark1961posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      I had not thought about the duplicate content, thanks.
      I just found one of my hubs reproduced on WikiHow, in total, but he rewrote it to include all of my recommendations, and then added a link to my pethelpful hub at the bottom of his page. Is that the guy who is copying?

      1. lobobrandon profile image83
        lobobrandonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        Oh... No I did not impIy knew a guy who is copying. That is just sad and you should file a DMCA but if it's wikihow just write to them, they should take it down.

        I meant you should watch out for duplicate content before you delete. Otherwise, when you publish on a new URL, it would seem like you were copying from whoever copied it in the first place.

        1. DrMark1961 profile image90
          DrMark1961posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          I was joking about the guy. A lot of my hubs have that little "copied" sign.
          I had not even thought about writing Wikihow. I usually do not even bother.

          1. lobobrandon profile image83
            lobobrandonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            I do not bother either, but if you were going to delete and republish as a new article on HP the moderators may see it as duplicate content already on the web.

  4. Paul Edmondson profile image
    Paul Edmondsonposted 3 weeks ago

    We recommend leaving them for now. Curators are still working and they could be moved.

    1. DrMark1961 profile image90
      DrMark1961posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

      Okay, but what about the Google issue? These last hubs have only a few per day, and they could rank a lot better and be getting significant traffic from Google. Editing them does not seem to make much difference to Google.
      Even if they do happen to be moved by HP, they still are not getting traffic.

      1. Paul Edmondson profile image
        Paul Edmondsonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        My advice is to edit and improve the articles getting traffic first. I spend a lot of time with other large publishers and we all are investing in this first. There is a pretty direct corollation between more words and more traffic to about 2500 words before diminishing.

        We believe articles on topical sites have an opportunity to do much better than on HubPages and are continuing to curate. It's entirely possible for low traffic articles to pop out. I was just looking at a wehavekids article that went from hundreds of views to 7000+ per day. I believe editing and improving articles improves the chances of this happening.

        My recommendation is to invest in winners, write new articles for areas that aren't covered, and make edits from time to time on low traffic, good articles.

        One other thing to watch is how sites do. For example, pethelpful is starting to do well for specific dog breeds. In depth pages on doodle combos like sheepdogs, German shepherds, Australian shepherds that go deep and have the pros and cons are pretty significant opportunities (I'm not endorsing these designer breeds).

        1. DrMark1961 profile image90
          DrMark1961posted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Thanks for that advice. I did edit all of them, but did not add too much material. I thought the ideal word count was about 1200, but from your post you mention up to 2500. I could definitely add more to some of them.

          1. lobobrandon profile image83
            lobobrandonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

            More words = more potential to rank. All my best hubs were long, most over 2k words. On my website too, the long informational pages do well. The other kind that do well are the ones with schema markup. I wonder how the receipe hubs are doing on their niche site?

            Not to forget as Paul pointed out a while ago, articles with lists do well too.

            1. makingamark profile image73
              makingamarkposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

              There are actually two different types of readers out there
              - the scanners who won't contemplate anymore than 2.5k
              - the serious readers who are really interested in a topic - who LOVE long articles.

              It seems to me HubPages has always been focused on articles that are not too long.

              By way of contrast, I've been writing very long blog posts and pages on websites for 12+ years - and have got millions of pageviews to suggest there is another way of accessing audiences and generating traffic. However my compendium type content does not work on HubPages (although it did very well on Squidoo).

              The trick is to make the length of copy suits the host it's on.
              * Long copy is usually best suited to your own highly focused niche website.
              * Short articles work better on sites like HubPages.
              * Tweets are for people who can't cope with words!

        2. lobobrandon profile image83
          lobobrandonposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

          Is this because there are more articles on these specific breeds on the website? The pet niche could probably be helping the whole site, but there's maybe a specific strong sub-niche on these breeds?

          This could be very useful information as individual authors could work on strengthening their own sub-niches on the niche sites over time.

      2. Sherry Hewins profile image95
        Sherry Hewinsposted 3 weeks ago in reply to this

        A lot of my hubs had almost no traffic when they were on HP. Many of them have an amazing upturn as soon as they are moved. The hub itself has not changed, or if it has the changes were minor.

        There is no reason you can't follow both suggestions. You know which of your hubs are good. Go over the best ones, and make sure they are as good as they can be. Then submit one every 14 days to be moved.

        The ones that are less promising, you can assess whether there is anything there worth saving. If you think they are, then build upon them and publish your new version.

  5. Kim Bryan profile image90
    Kim Bryanposted 3 weeks ago

    I deleted and rewrote some of my earlier hubs.  This time I created better URLS and titles.  I also removed any Amazon capsules in which I did not mention and recommend the product and made sure it was directly related to my title.  I also ran each of them through Grammerly.

    All but two of those have been moved to niche sites.  The two that did not were for one link each, which were linking to visitor's bureau centers (travel hubs).  I haven't had the opportunity just yet to make inquiries why these links weren't permissible, so unfortunately I can't provide any insight there.

    My point to my rambling is yes, sometimes it is best to delete and start over.  Just make sure the ones you delete aren't already well ranked within Google before doing so.

  6. cam8510 profile image94
    cam8510posted 3 weeks ago

    I have one hub that I wrote over four years ago that was not moved to a niche site. It wasn't moved because it was not a good article. It was very shallow and did not give people any valuable information. I finally rewrote the article. Some of the original was there, but for the most part, it is a new article written in a four-year-old hub. 

    I would take a good long look at a hub before deleting based on the quality. Quality can be improved upon. Nearly every hub I have rewritten has been moved to niche sites. But I can say confidently, that my new hubs are moved very quickly because of the new emphasis on quality. I work harder at producing high-quality hubs and that is rewarded by HP.

  7. Sustainable Sue profile image90
    Sustainable Sueposted 3 weeks ago

    I just rewrote an old article that had been received well in the beginning, but was not even featured anymore (under my other name, Watergeek). I tried to submit it to Heal Dove, but it wouldn't let me go through the process. Next day I noticed it had received a few reads. Tried submitting it again and this time it worked. Now Heal Dove has accepted it.

    I recommend looking to see how well your old articles were originally read and commented upon. If you got a lot of readers at first, you'll get more when they're cleaned up. Reformat a bit to fit smart phone reading. Maybe change a major photo to one that's more interesting. Put a references section at the bottom. Then submit to a niche site and see what happens.