Anyone activated and deactivated the HubPages ads program?

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   Suramya.Kposted 12 years ago

   I just de-activated my HubPages ads program and I was wondering if someone has any experience to share. Did your AdSense revenue increase after de-activating HP ads?

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   Victoria Lynnposted 12 years ago

   I would be scared to deactivate it. My only income (except for 41 cents) is from HP ads. Just a little under 4 bucks so far, but still....At least it brings me in at least a few cents a day.

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      David 470posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Same here. I would make more money with adsense if I turned it off, but would not make as much money overall.

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      Suramya.Kposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I used to get AdSense clicks once a week or once in every ten days. Its 3 days after I deactivated HP ads, and I've got clicks every day.... seems I've done a good thing. Its a lot better than 2-3 dimes a day!!

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   Cagsilposted 12 years ago

   When I first became eligible for using the Hubpages Ads Program, I activated it. I left it run for a while, to see how effective it was for my hubs.
   
   My adsense revenue dropped like a rock, but the revenue from Hubpages Ads Program did nothing to compensate for the drop. However, other people have different experience with it than I do.
   
   Some people have noticed a drop in adsense revenue as well, while Hubpages Ads Program is running. There were a few threads about it when it was first started.
   
   I do not know what or if anything has changed among the community of hubbers, because a thread like this hasn't come about for a while.
   
   I personally turned off Hubpages Ads Program and some of my adsense revenue returned, but still has returned to it's levels before Panda. But, then again, I've made several changes to my hubs and HP Staff has made many changes to HP platform.
   
   From what I've gathered, Hubpages Ads Program is only truly beneficial to those who have massive traffic.

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      gracenotesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree, Cags.  My traffic level is good right now, but not where it needs to be for me to consider turning on HPAds.
      
      My original experiment was HPAds on for 3 weeks, then just Adsense for 3 weeks.  "Just Adsense" had more earnings.

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   Lisa HWposted 12 years ago

   "Everyone" says what works for each Hubber can be very different things.  Having said, I did shut off the HP ads and found that it works best for me (right now) to have Ad Sense only.  With the widespread traffic increases that have happened, I might to like to just see what would happen with HP ads; but (contrary to Victoria) I'm kind of scared to rock any boats with Ad Sense.
   
   For now, when it comes to my HP earnings, I'm going the route of putting all my eggs in one basket and then watching that basket very carefully.

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   wildernessposted 12 years ago

   And I'm just the opposite of Lisa and Cagsil.
   
   I recently turned off HPads for a short time to make sure I made payout on adsense this month.  Adsense went up, but total earnings plummeted to less than half what they were with both.
   
   Until I see the CPM on HPads falling I have no reason to repeat the experiment - it is double what adsense every showed me.

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      Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think, maybe, with the kind of stuff I often write Google may be better able to find good, appropriate, ads for that kind of stuff (subject/potential audience maybe).  I haven't had a lot of heavy-duty exposure to the HP ads (because I only read so many Hubs and haven't had the HP ads and didn't leave the HP ads on my own past the first month (and some "limited trials" time after).  That first month I did pretty well (as far as I was concerned) (averaging, maybe, $5 a day).  (Nowhere near what I was getting from Ad Sense before Panda, but better than I was getting in April and May from them - a lot better.)  After that first month the HP averages dropped to more like under $4 a day (usually $3-plus change, sometimes as low as $2-and-change).  For most of July I had mostly AS only and finally made payout again for that one.  In August it more than doubled (but still wasn't what I'd been getting before).  This month (and only 13 days in as of yesterday) I think I'm just about at last month's payment amount. Fingers crossed (I hope I don't jinx myself by sharing this here).  My main point is that it looks as if Ad Sense may have (at least for now) gone back to the old pattern of increasing each month (at least most months).  I'm curious (and "money-grubbing" enough) to kind of wish I knew what would happen if I turned the HP ads on, but I'm thinking the different "earnings set-up" with those may not necessarily parallel what's been going on with Ad Sense.  If things turn around with that I may be less afraid to rock the boat and satisfy my curiosity about HP ads after the "site-wide" increases that took place in August.
      
      In that first month when I had HP ads my CPM wasn't bad at all (I don't think), but I stopped paying attention once the daily averages dropped into the under-$4 area.  (I hope I"m not missing out on "Big Bucks" by not having those on.    )

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   dilipchandra12posted 12 years ago

   Yeah i did, turned-off HPads but there was no change in my Adsense earnings. HPads are best all the time. Then i turned-on HPads again and my combined (HPads+Adsense) earnings are fair now.

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   Glenn Stokposted 12 years ago

   I was planning to turn off my HubPages ads program as soon as I get the first payment, which is getting close. My reason was that my AdSense is almost nill as most of the ads are from the HP program. I still do well with AdSense on my own site however.
   
   But since the subdomain split I changed my mind because my traffic has grown tremendously and the HP ad program pays by views, not clicks. And it's paying better and matching my Adsense from my other site. So I'm keeping it.

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      Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      How does the number of people signed up with HP ads affect individual earnings, though?   Is there a "cut-of-the-pie" type of thing that means smaller slices when more people are signed up and/or being paid for views?  (Pardon my ignorance.  I tend not to pay much attention to anything unless/until it's something that affects me.)
      
      Also, am I correct in thinking that the ads are less specifically directed to the subject of each Hub?

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         Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Lisa - I don't think there is a fixed size pie, so to speak. The more views, the more the advertisers need to pay. As for your second question, I did notice that the HP ad program did not match adds to the subject as well as Google AdSense does. But since they pay for views, it makes no difference to us.

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            Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Glenn, thanks.

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         Silver Roseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Agree with Glenn - the more traffic the site gets overall, the better quality the advertisers.
         
         When the HPads program was first launched, I think they signed up the advertisers before Panda - and they were very good quality. My eCPM for March was about double what it is now. Am hoping that as the site recovers the advertisers come back and eCPM will rise again.

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            Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            So, for now, you've seen a lower eCPM (and are still seeing it) since the HP ads program was first launched?  (Or has it gone up since it first seemed to go down after that first month?)

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               Silver Roseposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               My eCPM has been steadily dropping since March. It's now about half was it was. Looking at my stats, the real plunge was in July.
               
               I think some advertisers simply decided that HP was not going to recover and left.
               
               I really really hope HP can get them back. My traffic is fully recovered (I'm still holding at a higher level than I was pre-Panda). But as eCPM has dropped, it's not doing much for earnings!

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                  Lisa HWposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks.  That's what I've been wondering (whether I'm missing out on some "big increase" in eCPM by not having HP ads on).  I gave them a brief trial in July or August but between the lower eCPM and the drop in Ad Sense that tends to accompany turning them on, I just got to too squeamish.    Maybe in another few months I'll try again.

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                  Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  It seems like CPM values are falling across the board (AdSense or HP Ads), just as my mortgage payments are rising (because of taxes), my heating bills are increasing, and even the cost of acquiring a new bundle of paper checks has increased (they say because of an improved shipping service which is actually worse than the one they had before). Companies are draining the blood out of their customers. God bless capitalism.

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               Suramya.Kposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I agree with Silver that the CPM is dropping but in a steady rate. I son't see ads from MSN advertising these days, may be they had more CPM than the Tribal Fusion.
               Did you experience more CPM during the Drano contest?

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                  wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't know about that (didn't pay much attention) but Jason mentioned somewhere that Drano pays well and is put on hubs in the home category.
                  
                  Many of my hubs are on home improvement, in the home category, and I believe those ads are responsible for a big rise in CPM.  It's made me happy, anyway.

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      Suramya.Kposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Glenn,
      does this mean that you will keep up with HP ads even after the first payout? Seems like you're earning stellar!
      
      My HP ads earnings have also increased, but I'm deactivating them for now. The first day was great. Hope it continues!

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         Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Suramya.K - Yes I plan to keep it active. I am nowhere near being stellar but I appreciate the comment. However I am pleased with the increase in the HP earnings. I said "tremendous increase" in the prior post because my earnings went up about 4 times.  But you have to keep in mind that when it's just a few dollars, an increase like that is not much, definitely not stellar. lol.  Now if it had been a million and it went up 4 times, that would be meaningful.

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            Suramya.Kposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            4 times the million? LOL!!
            I am now getting AdSense clicks everyday. When I had HP ads, I used to get once in a week or even two weeks, and dimes every day. Now it has increased to dollars!!
            
            Hope this becomes an everyday trend, fingers crossed!

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   habeeposted 12 years ago

   HPads has been good for me, so I'm leaving them on.

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      Sally's Troveposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Likewise.

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   pmilesposted 12 years ago

   Thanks for the info everyone. I turned mine off to see how my Adsense does this week. I don't have much on here as it is, but it's worth a shot.

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    Suramya.Kposted 12 years ago

    Thanks to all for sharing your experiences, my AdSense has boosted in the first day itself. I used to get more impressions for HP ads than for Google AdSense, so I decided to turn them off.
    
    Glad I did!

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    PaulPd0posted 12 years ago

    I think a good way to go about choosing if you want to use HP ads or only Adsense is by determining where the bulk of your traffic comes from or why people read your content. If your articles get most of their views from within HP or focus on topics that are not exactly "paying" topics, then you will probably benefit from the income you make based on impressions through the HP ad program.
    
    If you target keywords and receive traffic from search engines and other sources, or if the topics that you write about possess some sort of product or direct advertisement that can be applied, then using only Adsense will provide your readers with more relevant advertisements and actually pay you for the clicks that you receive.
    
    I remember reading somewhere that the HP ad program was in cooperation with Adsense in some way, but I can not recall. Either way, Adsense has access to a much wider range of advertisements and is better suited to target the same keywords in the advertisements as the ones you target in your article.

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       Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Paul,  I agree with you 100%. You've hit the nail on the head! That should the the deciding factor for anyone who wants to go with one or the other.

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          PaulPd0posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          I appreciate it Glenn! But, you had already hit it with your first post earlier. Point goes to Glenn Lol :p

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    Anna Marie Bowmanposted 12 years ago

    I'm a little nervous about turning HPads off...but my Adsense has dropped considerably.  Is there a way to turn HPads off for some of my Hubs, but not others?  I want to test the waters a bit, and see if that helps.  Or do I have to turn HPads off for the whole thing?

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       Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Anna,  it's a global setting. You can only turn it on or off for all your hubs. Not specific hubs. Read PaulPd0's post above - that should help you decide.

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       PaulPd0posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I am going to turn off HP ads in October - I've been letting it run since late August.. I will definitely try to watch the changes closely and document it in a Hub. I read somewhere that turning off HP ads will actually place a banner-sized Adsense ad below your first paragraph, which will probably help to bring some clicks.
       
       I suppose it probably will also depend on if whether they will allow it to display image ads and a few other things - seems like the Adsense Ads I have WITH the HP program on never display images, only text advertisements.
       
       Perhaps HP has a deal worked out with Adsense in which they can display additional advertisements as long as only a certain amount of them are image ads, and are instead classified as the "HP Ad program" instead of Adsense or Adchoices or whatever they like to label their ads now. That would make sense if the HP ad program is in fact working in cooperation with Adsense in some way.

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          Suramya.Kposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Not quite sure about the image ads. AdSense always displays the highest paying ads at first, so if the text ads pay more than the image, it shows text ads. AdSense itself says to keep both the ad types so that the advertisers bid more and more.
          
          Turning off HP ads will give an AdSense banner after first paragraph? I would like to see this as well because I think the ads in HP are not optimized at all. If only they could add an AdSense block before comments, it would have been great.

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    Cheeky Girlposted 12 years ago

    I got them both turned on and both earning. Hub Ads going up.

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    Anna Marie Bowmanposted 12 years ago

    I used to do alright with Adsense.  Not great, but then, I only have 90 something Hubs.  I am doing better overall with HPads, but not liking seeing my Adsense so low.  I wish there were a way to turn HPads on for some Hubs, but not for others.  There are some that I feel would do better with Adsense alone, and then there are some that would do better with HPads.  Is my only option to delete the Hubs that would work on Adsense, create a new account and put those there? With HPads turned off??  I guess I will just wait and see. 
    
    As far as the ads that pop up...I am still getting image ads from Adsense showing up on my Hubs.  I know I have some reworking to do to get some other things taken care of, in order to maximize my potential earnings, but then, that isn't entirely why I am here...just the money would be great right now...

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       Glenn Stokposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       Anna, separating your hubs between two accounts is a valid (and only) way to control that.  Per your second question... if you shut off image ads in Google, that will only effect those 60% of the ads that appear with your Google AdSense ID.  The other 40% are controlled by HubPages' account and they do what is best overall. Image ads tend to pay more per click. And I find that they get clicked more often as well. So why shut them off?

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          Anna Marie Bowmanposted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Glen, I don't want to turn them off.  Someone had mentioned not seeing image ads from Google with the HPads on.  I was just saying that I still see them on mine, even with both turned on.

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    msivakumarposted 12 years ago

    Is it possible to deactivate HubPages Ads for few days (or weeks), have only Adsense and then activate the HubPages Ads again ? (if things dont work out) Or is it a irreversible process ?

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       Uninvited Writerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

       You can deactivate and reactivate it as often as you want.

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