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   Apostle Jackposted 12 years ago

   Do you believe that Santa Claus and Jesus Christ should be celebrated on different days of the year,seeing that one is fact and one is fiction,and one is from heaven and the other is pagan and self-proclaim?

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      SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Sorry - Santa Claus is not from heaven *grin*

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Are you that confused?

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      getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Saint Nicholas is just as factual as Jesus.
      
      Therefore, your assertions are abject nonsense.

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Only in your world. I am glad that some people know better.

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            getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            This response says everything I need to know about you.
            
            It demonstrates your level of IGNORANCE...which is totally primitive.
            
            In my opinion, this response implies one that is woefully unequipped to debate with anyone who has more than a SUB-BASIC understanding of the real world...or an once of common sense...or a third grade education.
            
            Please stop starting forum threads...unless you are here only for entertainment purposes!

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               Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Your opinion just caught the last train to no where. Better a third grader..than no grades at all.

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Santa Claus came from heaven?

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         What world was you in when that thought came about?

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            A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            The thought came about from what you said:
            
            "...one is fact and one is fiction,and one is from heaven and the other is pagan and self-proclaim..."
            
            I had to ask as to how you knew Santa Claus came from heaven?

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               Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I never said that Santa Claus came from heaven.Only from imagination of humankind.

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                  A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  No, you said he was a fact and came from heaven.

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                     Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     If you don't know,then you are the only one.

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                        psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Have you stopped even trying to make sense?

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                           Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Sometimes one can't see the forest for the trees. One can look at something,and still not see what is there. St Nicholas purpose was never to present a lie about a fat man in a red suit going around telling lies about he is from the north pole with flying animals in a home made buggy and have parents tell lies to their children about where the presents came from.
                           
                           From one lie can only come forth more lies.
                           Oh what a tangled web we weave.......when first we practice to deceive.
                           Am i making more sense?

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                              getitriteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              
                              
                              That's why you are here, telling more LIES about the ONE LIE that came from your wretched religion.  Of course you don't have the sense to see.
                              
                              PATHETIC!!!

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      DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Santa Claus was modeled after St.Nikolaos of Myra, A 4th century Bishop (Catholic church makes him Christian, Not pagan)
      
      The term Pagan (Paganism) means country dweller. And since Jesus did the most of his teachings outside of the city...you know in the country and byway areas..this would make him more of a pagan than St.Nikolaos.
      
      Jesus wasn't born in the winter anyway...
      
      And the current design of Santa Claus we have come to know and love today, came from the Coca Cola company advertising.
      
      St.Nikolaos is a well documented real person...Jesus is still somewhat iffy...

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Mary, is the Catholic church,and icons,and the statues and idols. Christianity have no such presentations in it.

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            DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You might want to do a little research, as it seems, you are completely confused on this subject.

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               Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               There is no confusion between a peanut and an apple.Unless one don't know yes from no.

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   Emile Rposted 12 years ago

   Wouldn't it be simpler for those with a problem to simply keep Christ in Christmas? Let others do what they want? Why muddy the waters for everyone simply because a few suffer confusion?

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      Jonathan Jancoposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Christmas is in December only to compete with the pagan holiday Yule, the Festival of Light. So, if the Christians want to move Christmas to some other part of the year I'm fine with it. Like the Japanese, who celebrate in July.
      
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YrzRHMTERg

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         Emile Rposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Works for me. On the up side, I guess we'd get another holiday. I've been needing one.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Oil and water don't mix , Emile,so why would one try to mix it. I gest some would try it anyway. That is what confusion is.

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   Tamarajoposted 12 years ago

   if we truly wished to celebrate the birth of Immanuel (God with us) we would celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles when He was most likely born.  The holiday is rich with the symbolism of His coming to the earth in a body (tabernacle) to dwell (tabernacle) among us.  Skip the Santa celebration all together utter nonsensensical commercialized concoction.

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      DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Winter Solstice is the celebration of the "birth" or "return" of the Sun God...so it was fitting for the Christians to borrow this timeframe for the birth of the Son of God to allow a more ease of transition/conversion of the Pagans.

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Wrong answer. Christianity don't need a Santa nor his helpers for its presentation. Fulfillment of prophecy,the beginning of the "new covenant" and a chance for eternal life with God is the purpose of His birth.And it have nothing to with a cartoon call Santa.

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            DoubleScorpionposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I said nothing of Santa CLaus in this post you replied to. Seriously, do you even read before replying?

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               The Uneak Rabbitposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Good question...

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               Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               I stand corrected.

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   SpanStarposted 12 years ago

   Personally I believe the celebration of Jesus the Christ should be everyday since he has demonstrated what real love, real compassion, real mercy and real forgiveness looks like.
   
   Santa Claus is a time for children so they can have someone or something that they can call their own as the concepts of being reborn may beyond their understanding.
   
   I never look at Jesus and Santa Claus that same way any time of the day or night.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      THOSE THAT ARE CLOSE TO SANTA CALUS is  the ones most far from God.God don't teach us to LIE to our children,So how can one think that God agree with such a false presentation.

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         SpanStarposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You really sound confused to me-child to bring fun, kindness, and laughter to a childen isn't lying that same same as reading fair tales to children.  Only someone who's live seems to be liveless, dull and boring would I think have such a concept.

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            Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You can twist it any way you want to ,and it will still be the same thing.All you are doing is making it more corrupt,and adding another lie upon a lie.And the further you go with the lie....the more it will grow.
            
            You can put lipstick on a pig............it is still a pig. You can't get a positive return....by sugar coating it.

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         The Uneak Rabbitposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         who is Santa Calus?

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      A Troubled Manposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Personally I believe the celebration of Santa Claus should be everyday since he has demonstrated what real love, real compassion, real mercy and real forgiveness looks like.
      
      Jesus Christ is a time for children so they can have someone or something that they can call their own as the concepts of being reborn may beyond their understanding.
      
      I never look at Jesus and Santa Claus that same way any time of the day or night.
      
      I like it better that way, looks more like what we actually observe.

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         The whole idea of a Santa Claus ....IS MONEY. Don't confuse that with the Birth of Christ.

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            psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            You do realize he is based on a Christian saint, right?  Saint Nicholas?

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               Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Then let him have his own day of celebration. Give credit where credit is due.

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                  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  You need to read about this Saint.  His connection to the day is not arbitrary. Learn a little bit about your own religion.

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                     Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I already know,and nothing about him would justify  anything.

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                        psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        They fact he gave away everything he owned based on the example of Christ seems a little more than "nothing" to me.

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                           Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I am speaking about Christ and His purpose for coming to this earth,and not a self crusader.  The birth of Christ concerns "The beginning of the New Covenant",and fulfillment of prophecy and everlasting life.
                           
                           Stop trying to mix oil with water. No matter what anyone else have did The birth of Christ cannot be compared to.And it don't need a cartoon like Santa Claus ( of which most of the world know is a total lie) to no where near the meaning and purpose of Christ.

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                              psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              Other than being a story based on the life of a man who did everything he could to emulate Christ and was subsequently made a Saint.

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      AEvansposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I don't either and agree with you. Because they are not the same at all.

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         Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         My very point is that they are separate and should not be connected,and as far away from each other as  yes is from no.

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   Jeramiposted 12 years ago

   About fourty years ago I was reading my grandmothers bible.
   I do not know which version that It was, Tyndale or Wycliffe;
     I do remember the publishing date was 1876. As was the KJV these were translated from the origional Greek.
   
      Any way ...  I know for a fact that I read where after Jesus mentioned his "Going Away" that one of the desiples ask Jesus "When is your birthday so that ater you are gone, we can celebrate your birthday?"
   
     And Jesus answered " Don't celebrate my coming into this world, I you have to celebrate anything; celibrate the day that I leave it"  Something like that any way.  It was 40 years ago.
   
      Most people do not realize that the Tyndale and Wyclife versions were much more popular among Christians than the KJV untill around the turn of the 19th century.
   
        OK  this is copied and pasted off the internett.
   
     In the 1490’s another Oxford professor, and the personal physician to King Henry the 7th and 8th, Thomas Linacre, decided to learn Greek. After reading the Gospels in Greek, and comparing it to the Latin Vulgate, he wrote in his diary, “Either this (the original Greek) is not the Gospel… or we are not Christians.” The Latin had become so corrupt that it no longer even preserved the message of the Gospel… yet the Church still threatened to kill anyone who read the scripture in any language other than Latin… though Latin was not an original language of the scriptures.

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   I think we should keep Christ (and apocryphal saints) out of the winter solstice feast.  Why muddy the waters, that isn't even the time of year he was ostensibly born.

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   Stump Parrishposted 12 years ago

   I do believe that they should be seperated. Let's move the birthday of Jesus to a more apporiate day. I recommend April Fools day. Leave Santa Clause alone. At least no one ever killed another or persecuted anyone in Santa's name.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      To believe in what is not there is like believing in fried ice cream.

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   Stump Parrishposted 12 years ago

   pysche, you are referring to santa being based on a saint right? The ramblings of apostle jack daniels seems to be based on a couple of 5ths of old no 7.

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      Apostle Jackposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It is better to say there he go ....than there he lay.

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