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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Once again, 3 years after he's been prez:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e … cretary-of

And yet:

"Mitt's father. George W. Romney, was born in Mexico. He sought and almost got the Republican Presidential nomination in 1968. There is no record of his eligibility to hold the office of POTUS ever having been questioned."

Any ideas as to why this disparity?
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  shea duaneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I grew up in New Mexico, and I know a lot of people from Arizona or who now live in Arizona... most are nice people. BUT some of the people who live there are the worst, meanest, nastiest 'whites only' racists I've ever met. They look down on everyone who is not white, rich, and superior. I have a relative there who goes on and on about people she calls 'wetbacks' while all her 'servants' are Latinos from across the border. It's a very strange land of hypocracy and moral blindness. Too bad because it is a very beautiful landscape.
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  peoplepower73posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  shea duane: Your relatives and my relatives must be neighbors. They are ultra-conservatilve. The last time we met, my sister-in-law tried to tell me that we are becoming a NAZI state. I asked why and she said we are losing are freedom of speech. Congress is passing a law to remove all of Rush Limbaugh's sponsers so that he will be taken off of the air. I tried to reason with her, but to no avail. And then we get into terrible arguments.
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  shea duaneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Peoplepower, strange isn't it? If I say something, I've been "brainwashed' by the liberal media; if they say something and I ask about the source, I'm denying their Constitutional right to free speech. I didn't know free speech meant allowing stupid people to repeat BS heard on talk radio!
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  shea duaneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  also, why would congress want to silence limbaugh? many in congress are uber-conservatives...
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Pullleeeeze....the 97th Congress had Russsshhhhhhhhhhh give the lead speech at their inaugeration!
  
  They love rush IMO--he says what they think, but can't say. And he is cruel like no other...well, maybe that cruella Atlas Shrugged witch....
  
  Who eles can give credence to their hidden hatred? i know--i know....they don't hate, only liberals hate blah blah BLAH.
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  peoplepower73posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When I analyze on issue I do the research and try to get to the root cause of the problem. I tried to tell them that the removal of the Glass-Stegal Act was the root cause of the financial meltdown...and their eyes just glaze over like I'm some kind of idiot that doesn't know what he is talking about. I tell them I'm presenting verifiable facts and it's still no dice.
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  shea duaneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  the truth is... shhhhhhhh... leon trotsky is still alive and is pulling the strings of the democratic party... we are all reds and want to change America's name to Killtherichica.
  No really, I think people hate Prez Obama because if you listen to him, you have to admit that intelligence isn't limited to people with white skin and blue eyes. (My son has beautiful brown eyes, btw 8-) )
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Lot of people like that here too.....was called "as bad as the deep south" by a since departed chief of police.
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  Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Beautiful landscape ruined by ugly people!
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  aguasilverposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Because your country has a rule stating that POTUS must be born in the USA?
  
  Al Obama needs to do is release his birth certificate.
  
  How much problem can that be?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  George Romney was BORN in Mexico....no one questioned his eligibilty....same rules back then.
  
  Why did he get a pass, and Obama is harrassed years after it was confirmed?
  
  That is what I'm asking. How come Obama has to "prove" his birth, but Romney, who truly wasn't born here had no problems?
  
  Are dems and libs more tolerant perhaps?
  No media seemed to care.
  
  Did they not care about the Constitution back then? What? The greatest generation not caring about the constitution??
  
  Double standard, and I want to know why.
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  Lions Den Mediaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So precisely what is your argument -- that Romney's father, who was never elected President of the US, justifies Obama's presidency because both Barry and George were born outside the US?
  
  As for Obama being "harrassed" he was never questioned by the mainstream press. In fact he was never made to answer any questions of substance by the elite media. Hence, your "double standard" claim is rather dubious at best.
  
  Another fact is that both of George Romney's parents were American citizens and accordingly any child born on foreign soil to American citizen parents are considered "citizens". In Obama's case he had an American mother and African father who was not a citizen.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Man sues for racism......Bout Time!

"In a six-minute YouTube video, Dr. Christian Head, an otolaryntologist at the UCLA's medical school, says he was the subject of repeated criticism during an annual event in which residents performed mocking roasts of their professors.

"In the final slide was a photo…of a gorilla, on all fours, with my head Photoshopped onto the gorilla with a smile on my face," Head says in the video. "And a Caucasian man, completely naked, sodomizing me from behind, and my boss' head Photoshopped onto the person smiling."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/1 … 28297.html
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Organizer of TP in Boston where miss sarah appeared "allegedly" sent an e-mail saying: "The Obama's...just another black family on public housing."

All these e-mails making the rounds with such derogatory images....the hateful web-sites with their hate-filled articles.....

And yet---Mitt Romney has refused to release his tax returns.... said "well, Kerry only released 2"....Kerry released 12.
Seems to me, ole Mitt gets away with murder in the public arena...and his father did too.
Must be a reason.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Did everyone hear about Sarah's hubby's old political party?

The AIP (american independence party)....wanted to secede frm America. Founder said "I will no be buried under that flag"..(ours)...did you hear about it?

duh, NO.

was it on national news every day, all day and night like "g-d Dam America"....

duh, NO.

Does anyone go around depicting Mitt as a guy with multiple wives?......duh...
No...even DEMS say: "Bain's not so bad".....

These people are snakey. Like Wile E.Coyote. Play the victim while stabbing you in the back.
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  shea duaneposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I read that about Sarah Palin's husband... how was she elected governor of Alaska? Does everyone in Alaska agree with the AIP? Why would she want to be VP if she wants her own state to autonomous? I don't get it???
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  A lot about her was kept hushed. Ironically, the National Enquirer nailed her.
  Also ironic is the fact that when she was growing up, her family used to go across the border to Canada for healthcare, because it was free!
  
  so much for "down with universal healthcare" !!
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JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago
LMC, what are you raging about?

Bad things happen on both sides of the aisle. Encouraging that kind of behavior, ignoring good behavior, and digging up old topics to smear 'the other side' is pointless.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Give me an example of Obama smearing Romney.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  1 - You are raging about things that have nothing to do with Romney, and trying to tie them to Romney/Obama. Completely irrelevant.
  
  2 - Obama's attacks on Bain are completely false. Bain didn't control Ampad when it went under. The union leader Randy Johnson is being paraded around by Obama's team. Johnson wouldn't agree to the union taking a pay cut to keep their plant solvent.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Why should they take a cut? How much do the managers make? The ceos? Why don't THEY ever take a cut?
  
  And it has everything to do with Romney. He is a 1% who wants to make life better for the 1%.
  
  He is proposing cutting taxes MORE for the uber rich...what good will that do? Obama want a 39% tax on the Ubers....will that really hurt?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Romney did cut CEO's salaries. It's part of the Bain Way. Instead of executives having large salaries, they would tie their pay to the company's profits. If the company doesn't make profits, the execs, don't get paid hardly anything.
  
  And yes, taxing the rich(and businesses) 39% is a bad idea. We already have the highest corporate tax rate in the world, which drives businesses to other countries. It's called being competetive.
  
  The top 1% pay a tax rate that is 17 times higher than the bottom 50%. They are paying their fair share.
  
  The bottom 50% of Americans pay... wait for it... under 2% federal income tax.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And those over $106,000 pay 0 FICA.
  
  Taxes are the lowest they have been in 40 years..that canard is just that.--a canard!
  Otherwise please explain how the rich got richer while the poor got poorer, and the middle fell.....how did that happen?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you know what would happen if the rich paid FICA on income over the cap?
  
  THEY WOULD HAVE MORE BENEFITS COMING TO THEM IN THE FUTURE.
  
  You get back what you put in, so if the rich paid more, they would get more back.
  
  Unless you say they should pay FICA over the cap without getting any more benefits out of it(which would be a forced redistribution of wealth).
  
  Do you support forced redistribution of wealth?
  
  Want to bet? I'll provide the proof again.
  
  http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
  
  Top 1% paid 24.01% taxes. Bottom 50% paid 1.85%.
  
  Corporate tax rates(effective)
  
  http://taxfoundation.org/files/sr195.pdf
  
  I bet you believe that GE paid no taxes last year, don't you?
  
  The rich get richer because it's easier to make money when you have money. Standard of living has still increased, but we live in an age of billionaires which makes people think life is unfair.
  
  By the way, lottery winners make up a large portion of the top 400 earners each year.
  
  And all those rich people pay tremendously higher tax rates than the bottom 50%.
  
  Do you think it's unfair for 50% of Americans to pay less than 2% while the top 1% pays 24%?
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  peoplepower73posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's not true what you said about the FICA cap and more benefits coming to the rich. Social Security is solvent until 2037 and then it will be able to pay 70% of it's payments. By removing the 106,800 cap, it will cause that gap to be closed in 2037. The payouts won't be proportioned to who pays more. Social security payments are like an insurance premimum. There would be no redistribution of wealth. How long do you think it takes right now for a multi-millionaire to reach the cap..one week or two weeks?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The projections for what raising the cap would do depends on how that money is handled. It could make the problem WORSE unless you basically take the extra money from the rich and say 'thanks for paying, you get no increased benefit from paying this money'.
  
  It's redistribution. You tax the rich more but they get no more benefit.
  
  If they get more benefit, then that money doesn't go anywhere else, so it doesn't help the problem at all.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Rigt now we're taxing the middle class more than the rich! Whose benefit is that?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No we aren't!
  
  I'll provide the facts again.
  
  http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
  
  The top 1% pay 24% federal income taxes.
  
  Who do you want to count as middle class?
  
  Top 5-1% pay 16%
  
  Top 10-5% pay 11.4%
  
  Bottom 50% pay 1.85%
  
  50-25% pay 5.5%
  
  So who is paying more than the top 1%
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  A percentage of what you have....not the amount you pay.
  
  Obviously, a billionaire will pay more dollar amount, but the middle class pays at 35%, so they give up more a percentage of what they have for the priviledge of living here..
  Romney paid at 14%, and he made 45 Mil in 2 years. Someone earning $65,000 paid 35%.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, again, you're not listening.
  
  I gave the PERCENTAGES OF INCOME that each bracket pays.
  
  The top 1% pay 24% of ALL their income.
  
  Someone who makes 65,000, let's say they are married with 1 and 2 kids.
  
  1 kid they pay 6.9%
  2 kids they pay 4.5%
  0 kids a married couple pays 9.3%
  Single person pays 10%
  
  It all depends on your situation, but people aren't paying those high marginal rates.
  
  Those %'s I calculated with NO extra deductions either, just earnings, exemptions, and tax.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So--why was Buffet's secretary paying more tax than him?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You can't compare income tax to cap. gains tax.
  
  Everyone pays the same cap. gains tax. I think that's pretty fair.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's the problem. Cap gains should pay same as labor.
  
  Work is work....moving digits on a screen is playtime.
  
  and they do not help the country...they hoard it. It's a give-away to wealthy.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Should capital gains taxes be higher even if that results in less tax revenue?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No--we need more tax revenue, and we need it now!
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Raising taxes doesn't necessarily raise revenues!
  
  Go look at a chart showing cap. gains taxes vs. revenues. Lower revenues encourage people to invest, and ends up bringing in more revenues.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yes it does. Just as giving cuts takes revenues away.
  We need that money back. No more redistributio to the rich!
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, it doesn't. When you raise the tax rate, you also raise the risk:reward calculations for investors, meaning you get less investment.
  
  http://mercatus.org/sites/default/files … -1-JPG.jpg
  
  In actuality, if you lower rates, you get more activity, which makes up for the lower tax rate. The difference is, it's better to have more activity at a lower rate than less activity at a higher rate.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  BULLONEY!! They had 3 tax cuts and did squat, but stock it in Swiss banks!
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The numbers don't lie!
  
  Capital gains tax rates went down. Revenues didn't.
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Jaxson, you're wasting your breath...umm, I mean your fingers.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  not really...who needs a shrink after this? It's such good therapy!
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I know, but I'm passing time waiting on a baby.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Where are the jobs? Isn't that WHY they needed those tax cuts? So--where are they?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  In case you don't know, there are lots of jobs. Lots and lots of jobs.
  
  We hit a problem due to the housing market recently, but the market will recover.
  
  Let me ask you this. How many people are employed by poor people?
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
ps: asking you a question is not raging. Why don't you stop the deragatory crap as well.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I say raging because you seem to be trying to dig up any crap on any R from any time period and tie that to Romney/Obama.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Too bad! Romeny's been lying about Obama from the get-go. He can take what he gives.
  
  And you can tell him to stop before you tell me.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  How has Romney been lying?
  
  You can tell Romney to stop as well. I generally don't write letters to politicians.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Heres' 2...you can read more.
  
  Obama "Has Not Created Any New Jobs"
  
  If Mitt Romney can't prove his boasts about his own job creation record, neither can he justify his blatant lie about President Obama's:
  
  "25 million people are out of work because of Barack Obama. And so I'll compare my experience in the private sector where, net-net, we created over 100,000 jobs."
  
  "I'll compare that record with his record, where he has not created any new jobs."
  
  Sadly for Mitt Romney, the Bush recession began in December 2007. As ThinkProgress rightly noted, "The private sector has added 2.3 million new jobs since March 2010, and it took the Obama economy one year to create more jobs than the economy under President Bush did in eight." As The Economist explained earlier, the recession was not at its deepest just as Barack Obama was entering office, but far worse than official statistics revealed at the time. Romney might also want to check with former McCain economic adviser Mark Zandi as well as the non-partisan CBO, who concluded that the Obama stimulus program "added up to 0.9 million jobs in 2009, 3.3 million jobs in 2010 and 2.6 million jobs in 2011."
  
  Obama's Debt Exceeds All Previous Presidents Combined
  
  Mitt Romney didn't just lie about Barack Obama's jobs record. At the Sioux City debate, he got President Obama's contribution to the federal debt all wrong as well:
  
  "We all understand that the spending crisis is extraordinary, with $15 trillion now in debt, with a president that's racked up as much debt as almost all of the other presidents combined."
  
  Of course, we don't all understand that, because it's not true. After Ronald Reagan tripled the gross national debt and George W. Bush doubled it again, Uncle Sam's red ink totaled almost $11 trillion when Barack Obama took the oath of office."
  http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/mitt … igger-lies
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  As a percentage of the population, nothing has changed under Obama.
  
  http://www.debate.org/forums/politics/topic/20990/
  
  I've outlined the details there. As of 2011, we were 3.5 million jobs away from being where we were in 2009.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Romeny lied....no problem for you? Then don't complain when people rag on Mittens!!
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, he didn't really lie. If the unemployment rate doesn't change during a president's time, would you say he created jobs?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "he created no new jobs"
  
  Is a lie.
  
  "Our president thinks America is in decline."
  
  Is a lie.
  
  "a president that's racked up as much debt as almost all of the other presidents combined."
  
  Is a lie.
  
  "If President Obama is reelected, you will not be able to get a job."
  
  Is a lie.
  
  "I will reverse President Obama's massive defense cuts."
  
  Is a lie.
  
  "Obamacare is a plan that takes over 100 percent of the people in the country and their health care"
  
  Is a lie.
  
  By raising the mythical red menace of communism and falsely attributing it to Barack Obama, Romney in the words of Paul Krugman had introduced "The Big Lie" into his "Post-Truth Campaign." While Andrew Sullivan announced "Mitt Romney is a big, fat liar," Steve Benen lamented that "Romney, allegedly the responsible one in the Republican field, has been reduced to lying uncontrollably." And while Greg Sargent in the past had expressed amazement at "Mitt Romney's casual, effortless falsehoods," New York Magazine's Jonathan Chait explained that Romney's red scare rose to a whole new level of duplicity:
  
  "This isn't just a casual line. In eight sentences, Romney asserts over and over again that Obama wants to create "equal outcomes" and give everybody the "same rewards." This is nuts, Glenn Beck-level insane. Restoring Clinton-era taxes is not a plan to equalize outcomes, or even close. It's not even a plan to stop rising inequality. Obama's America will continue to be the most unequal society in the advanced world -- only slightly less so. The alternative proposals accelerate inequality even further."
  
  Not just me sayin it.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, that's a lie if you take it in a strict number, but not if you look at percentages. If the unemployment rate doesn't change, would you say the president created jobs?
  Obama thinks moving towards socialism is progress, and private sector success is a failure. Otherwise he would give us a competitive corporate tax rate.
  
  There are many of Obama's words and actions that have shown that he doesn't think America is as great as it is, and he wants to change it. That was the funny thing about his 2008 campaign, he really wants to make change, but it's not a change America stands for.
  
  No, it's not. Take into effect all of Obama's spending, and realize that Romney said almost. Go look at the budget projections, we're still going to be adding trillions and trillions of debt over the next 4 years.
  
  A prediction. You can't call that a lie without seeing if it happens. Completely dishonest of you to try.
  How so?
  
  If you are going to rely on a website for your information, try to get something a little better than crooks and liars.
  
  Why should people be forced to buy health insurance? I don't have it, I don't want it.
  
  Yeah, someone else said it so it's right? Right?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No--just that if I say it--it's automatically rejected as tin-foil hat time.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It doesn't matter what ANYBODY says. What matters are the facts. Unlike some, I don't just believe what I read online.
  
  Still think GE paid no taxes?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Still think Romney doesn't lie?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you or not?
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No--you just told me they did.
  
  Now your turn: do you think Romney lies?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. I think everybody lies. The question is what about.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The president's record. Serially.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Unemployment was the same in 2011 as 2009(I'm talking averages). About 11%.
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Baby Boomers were born 1946-1964.
  If you can't get something that basic and indisputable right, how are we to trust any number you cite?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When did I say that?
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  This post is directly from the debate.org forum you linked to above:
  
  At 5/19/2012 2:07:31 AM, JaxsonRaine wrote:
  Why do we use the U3 data for unemployment? I'm tired of hearing how unemployment is down, when so many people just aren't counted as unemployed anymore.
  
  2005 - 5.1% Unemployment(U3), 8.9% U6
  3.7% spread.
  2008 - 5.8% Unemployment(U3), 10.5% U6
  4.7% spread.
  2011 - 8.9% Unemployment(U3), 15.9% U6
  7% spread.
  
  In actuality, our situation isn't that good. Let's look at it another way. In 2009, there were 139,877,000 employed persons and a 9.3% unemployment rate. In 2011, there were 139,869,000 employed persons and an 8.9% unemployment rate. So even with 4 million more people in the population, 10,000 less people were working in 2011 than in 2009(and yet unemployment went down).
  
  http://www.bls.gov...
  
  Basically, in 2011 we were 3.5 million jobs away from really being at 8.9% unemployment.
  
  It's called retirement. The baby-boomers are just now retiring. Retirement age is 65. Baby-boomers were born from '45-50.
  
  Retirees are not included in the labor force, so they have nothing to do with unemployment rates. Unemployment is the percentage of the labor force that is unemployed, not the percentage of citizens.
  
  People who retire leave the labor force. Your numbers don't show the total influx of laborers. They show the net gain/loss. And the large number of retirees would skew those figures.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That wasn't me. That was Apollo.11.
  
  Are you just looking for an excuse to criticize me?
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Mighty Momposted 11 years ago
Back to the original question of the thread.
I thought this was the answer and also seem to recall that McCain had a similar issue, being born outside the US to American citizen parents.

This from abcnews.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 … president/

Romney was born to American citizens living in a Mormon church colony in Chihuahua, Mexico.

Even though he wasn’t born in a United States territory or state, George Romney was given citizenship at birth because he was born to American citizens, essentially granting him the status of a natural-born citizen.

“When you’re born outside the United States to [U.S.] citizens, you have citizenship at birth,” explained Peter J. Spiro, a professor of law and an expert on the law of citizenship at Temple University. “You don’t have to do anything to claim your citizenship. You are a citizen from birth.”
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
25 million people out of work because of Barack Obama??....an this guy wants to be prez???

Give me a break.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Also, almost as much debt is what Romney said. You have to take into effect the debt that Obama has added that we haven't hit yet, deficits are still going to add trillions and trillions if Obama keeps going.
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  peoplepower73posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  How does lowering taxes on the rich, lower the debt? Do they pay off more of the debt. When you have a credit card with a huge debt, stopping spending does not pay off that debt, nor does an austerity program. If you think trickle down economics will reduce the debt, talk to the people who were around during the Reagan administration. It didn't work then and it's not going to work now.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Lowering taxes on everybody, ESPECIALLY corporations, will boost the economy and get unemployment back down(it's really at 11.5-ish percent right now). If we become competitive on an international level, we'll have more corporations in the US, more jobs, and that means more people paying taxes.
  
  You don't raise taxes when you have double-digit unemployment.
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  peoplepower73posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  There are two main reasons for unemployment being so high. The financial meltdown caused banks to hold onto their cash. Many business that used to get short term loans to keep their businesses operating had to close their doors and layoff people because they could not get those loans. Corporations outsource their work to other countries not because of lower taxes, but lower labor costs many of those jobs are never coming back. I don't care how much taxes are lowered. Look at where your clothes are made and where you call goes to for service support.
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JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago
Mightymom, when did I say that, what you quoted?
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Romney is not Obama to speak for him. and neither are you.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
A dense wind just blew.......

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/e … cretary-of

another slight breeze of fog: georgie-boy was NEVER questioned about his birth...though he was, in fact not born here!

Obama, a United States Citizen, has been subject to continuous harrassment by rw media and sundry hangers on....

Just wondering why the different treatment? Libs are nicer?

Why do you think?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LMC, two different people have addressed this.
  
  If you are born to citizens on foreign soil, you're a citizen.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But if Obama was born in Kenya to an American mom...he's not a citizen....interesting....
  
  Mexican father....no problemo. Born in Hawaii.....you in trouble boy!
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Obama didn't have TWO American parents.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But he was born here.
  
  14th amendment.
  
  And Trumps madre is from Scotland. No one gave him a ration of sh*t.
  Libs are just nicer....I've decided.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  People are saying, if he wasn't born here, he wouldn't be a citizen.
  
  Trump's mother is from Scotland, or is Scottish?
  
  You aren't comparing apples to apples.
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  Lions Den Mediaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LMC: Trump was born in the US. And what does Trump have to do with where Obama is born? Socialists are "nicer"? WTF does that have to do with anything -- show me the proof and I don't need your mindless little drivel. Since you brought up Trump and have some childish fantasy that libs are "nicer" because a few people question Obama's place of birth -- Trump once paid off a families mortgage for giving him a ride home one night when his car broke down. The following are the facts regarding who is nicer since that appears to be of value to you so because I'm a giver I'm providing you evidence to reevaluate your "nicer lib" theory. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articl … l_giv.html
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Trump's mother is Scottish. So. that makes him 1/2 American, right?
  
  Oh, maybe he's not American at all like Obama....maybe we should start asking him where his loyalties lie, to USA, or the Queen? I mean--what kind of Crown propaganda was he subjct to as a child? And his wife is foreign.....his kid is also 1/2 American!
  
  AND howdy-doo.....R Money, Trump and Gingrich are having a big money raiser in Lost Wages soon.
  why--I do declare that R Money is taken by Trump's birfer/barfer nonsense.
  
  He won't denounce it---he embraces it!
  
  so much for character a$$-a$$-ination MITTENS.
  
  put your helmet on chump.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
AHHHHHH! NOW we know!!

Obama WAS born here, he FAKED being born in Kenya to get affirmative action!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlN_WT3Z7Vc

ohhh, nothing gets by these birfers. er, ah...barfers.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LMC, you're being ridiculous.
  
  The whole point is, there would have been no reason to question Romney's eligibility. It's not a double standard, there was just no question there.
  
  It's not the same scenario at all.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Why not? They just took his word for it? How come? And why no other prez ever had to prove birth??
  
  Where's R Money's certificate?
  
  I'M being ridiculous??
  Russsshhhhhhhhhh and Hucklesbee are the ones saying it's NOW a conspiracy by Obama to FAKE his birth in Kenya!
  
  for affirnmative action, no less.....oh no, no hint of racism here.
  
  Just heard him.....Mitt Romney..he is a slime ball and a liar.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Romney was born to 2 US citizens. Obama wasn't. That's why it's a different scenario.
  
  I'm not a birther. But you are saying that it's hypocritical to ask someone who could possibly not be a citizen and not ask someone who couldn't possibly not be a citizen.
  
  You heard Mitt Romney talking about the birth certificate?
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  Jean Bakulaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Why is it ridiculous when R's are called on their lies? They have tried to discredit Obama from the start. If he saved the world, the R's would not give him any credit for it. Obama has produced his birth certificate twice now, to shut up idiots, when he was vetted by the proper authorities before the presidential race to see if he had any issues anyway. Now, perhaps, some R's are not aware that Hawaii is a state of the U.S? Why shouldn't we see Romney's BC if his father was born in Mexico? Obama has to endure this crap because his father is from Kenya. If you don't see a double standard here, you need to get your eyes checked.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Mitt Romney's father was born to US. Citizens, he was a citizen at birth. It's not a double standard. His father wasn't a Mexican.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The thread begins with the statement that Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico. This would make him Mexican, just as being born in Kenya makes Obama's father Kenyan.
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  habeeposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So...if your parents were both citizens of the US, and while your mom was preganant with you they traveled to France, and you were born in France, that would make you a citizen of France and not the US?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Being born in Mexico doesn't make you Mexican. If both of your parents are US Citizens, you are a US citizen.
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  Mighty Momposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Correct.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I replied to this yesterday. My comment that being born of a US parent while travelling in another country makes the child not American was said in jest. I can't find my reply though.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly...and no one cared when he RAN FOR PRESIDENT. it never came up.
  
  And he was NOT born here! For sure!
  
  But Obama runs for prez...and blammo! This issue of being born here is all the rage.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LMC
  
  YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE BORN IN THE US TO BE A CITIZEN.
  
  YOU JUST HAVE TO BE BORN TO US CITIZENS.
  
  Do you understand?
  
  There was no issue. There could have been no issue.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And there is no issue with Obama....
  
  But they make it one.
  
  So--I will make one of George Romney. and his 12 wives....or was that grandaddy?
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Honestly, I can see the issue with Obama if his grandma says he wasn't born in the US. At least there is a reason for it.
  
  There is no reason for your point about Romney.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  12 wives is not an issue for you?
  
  They were IN Mexico because USA outlawed poligamy.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What does that have to do with anything? And no I dont have a problem with polygamy.
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  Jean Bakulaposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I understand that if US citizens travel and have a child in another country, their child is a US citizen too. I was trying to make the point that people are missing that, and keep saying Obama is NOT an American citizen because of his Father. Sheesh!
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  Shanna11posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Let's not be childish. To me it looks like you're mad that some people are obsessed with a false issue, so you decide to find and complain about an issue on the opposing side? That's like what I did in elementary school, I told on a kid for something pointless, so he and his friends searched for ways to try and get me in trouble.... -shaking my head-
  
  LMC I try to be fair, but it just looks to me like you will resolutely hate anything Republican, and proclaim the virtues of anything Democratic without actually considering the details and getting facts from both sides, no matter what it is! You're blinded by your own bias. If the Democrats enacted a policy that hurt you, I don't know if you would actually criticize it or whether you would accept it because it's the Democrats who did it, and it seems like you think they can do no wrong. Same goes with Republicans enacting a policy that helps you-- I think you would still try and find something wrong with it.
  
  I don't understand the Republicans and Democrats who are so party-loyal that it makes them utterly blind and a hinderance to progress.
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lovemychrisposted 11 years ago
Think what you want. I'm sick of taking it and then being told to shut up when it comes to giving.

We already know: Obama was not born here and wants to destory America with Marxist socialism and take all the riches money and give it to me.

We know he hates America, and is indoctrinating kids when he speaks in schools. His wife is an angry black woman who only cares about nutrition because she has a big posterior.

They look and act like monkeys, from the numerous e-mails that have been sent....and any of us who support him should move to Cuba immediately.

So--now what about R Money?

grandaddy had 12 wives....let's talk.
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  Shanna11posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I highly doubt the majority of Americans thinks any of that about Obama or his family, and the outspoken minority that does? Screw 'em. What do you care what they say about him? Clearly they are extremists-- just let it go. Obama is a big boy and his wife is a grown woman. They can take the childish words that others try to fling at them.
  
  In fact, the only person I've ever seen say any of those things about Obama or his family is you.... you certainly aren't helping Obama by continually repeating all those things.
  
  And as for Romney's grandparents-- why should he be held accountable for what his grandfather did? Should we hold Obama accountable for his law-breaking relatives, because I know he has a couple. Let people's own actions speak for them, not the actions of their relatives. We've all got family members we'd like to pretend don't exist...
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's not a small minority Shanna...it's on national tv and radio daily.
  
  I suggest you speak up about Rush and Hannity and Romney himself if you want an end to divisive behavior.
  
  And you don't live here...but trust me....they made an issue out of Obama's Aunt...big time. And it wasn't pretty.
  
  Yet oddly, when Romney destroyed his gvr records.....there were a couple articles, and then poof it was gone.
  
  Funny that no one cares that he did that...and to me it's a huge red flag.
  
  So--like I've said a million times...I'll stop when they do.
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  Shanna11posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well, it is your choice. I just think you'd get your points and ideas across more effectively if you didn't stoop to their level.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It's the only language they understand.
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  Shanna11posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When you say "they" you mean Republicans?
  
  Keep in mind they aren't all like that. I consider myself Republican and I respect Obama, and like his wife a lot for her work with childhood obesity and healthy eating. She's inspired me to take better care of myself.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I wish everyonce could be like you Shanna....you are a sweet, decent person. But we are dealing with a different animal here--we are dealing with sorcerers. And I'm not kidding, so please don't think I'm being "dramatic".
  "We are not fighting flesh and blood, but principalities of ther air" (quote from the bible)
  
  This is serious and very very bad.
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  Shanna11posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When you compliment me, I automatically feel no urge to argue back. It's all part of your devious plot to flatter me into complacency.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  That's actually a powerful tool!..think Sheherazade.....
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JaxsonRaineposted 11 years ago
Ok I already said I have no problem with it.
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  peoplepower73posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Obama has produced his birth cerfticate several times. The govenor of Hawaii has issued an injunction against anybody who tries to do any further investigation. Not as a cover-up, but as a nusiance created by birthers. Why won't they leave this alone? It's because the right wing is still trying to discredit Obama so that Romney will get elected. It's all right wing propaganda and it needs to stop. Trump tried it and it didn't work. Orly Taitz tried it and it didn't work. I don't give a damn where Romney was born. Just stop it.
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  JaxsonRaineposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Stop what? I haven't done anything.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Colorado R Congressman said about Obama, "he's not an American". Big cheers from the audience.
  
  R Sec of State who tried to block Obama from getting on the ballot in Az is Romneys campaign manager there.
  
  The request to stop it must come from higher-up. The fact that is hasn't tells you all you need to know.
  
  Orly Taitz was recruited by Bibi Netenyahu. It's he and the neo-cons once again. Bush/Cheney people on Romneys team, big praises for Cheney.
  
  This is a warning: DANGER!
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  peoplepower73posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  When these people make their accusations and then make their very weak apologies. It's like being in jury duty when the judge tells the jury "to un-ring the bell." The information is already out there and it has planted a seed in the minds of those who want to believe this crap. And the brainwashing comes from the repetition of doing it over and over again in different forms. JaxsonRaine: That's what I mean by stop it.
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  lovemychrisposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly....you start to doubt, and then little by little the psy-op seeps in.
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  Sooner28posted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I did a forum about this. This guy is unfit for public office.
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