Is Islam a peace loving religion?

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Disappearingheadposted 13 years ago
Whenever an Islamic terrorist event occurs, our Western politicos rally around to reasure us that Islam is a peaceful religion. Is this accurate?

I'm sure any Al Quaeda member will be able to justify their actions by quoting a few passages of the quran. If as Westerners we were to read the same passages would we also conclude that Mohamed sanctioned their jihadist acts? Do the so called Islamic moderates pick and choose which passages to afirm and which to ignore due to their uncomfortable statements on 'letting infidel blood' which are embarrasing in the 20th century?

Sure the bible is full of blood letting in the Old Testament, but we do understand that these are within the context of medieval Hebrew history, and understand that they are not applicable today.
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  Ohmaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just a thought but aren't you saying that it is okay for Christians to be selective about which parts of the Bible they follow and then suggesting that Muslims should not have the same right?
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  Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No I'm not. I acknowledge that killing and pilaging by Israel were historical events written in the bible. What I am saying though is that these were events in their history and no one could use the bible to justify repeating such events today.
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  Ohmaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  could or would?
  No matter how you look at it these books both get edited to accommodate the person or group using them. I am not justifying the acts of the terrorists and extremists that select the worst parts of them to follow but the fact remains that that should a Christian choose to follow the Bible to the letter there are plenty of things that we would call extreme.
  The Bible and the Quran are rife with extreme violence and I remain totally baffled by any intelligent person that would choose to accept these books as guides to live their life by.
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  okay so you are a student of buddah, shall we say for example sake and lo and behold you have a book on buddah teachings.
  How much time and effort are you going to put into being a buddist? I mean if you were fervent you would stealthily scan and search the buddist book for what? ways to undermine it? No you would look for truths, and why? So you can do the opposite? so you can teach others falsely? No so you can help others who also want to study buddahs ways.
  To say that the books get edited is just your inference, assumption or bad report, because as you study the book of buddah that fact of editing is not in your mind at all. The word of God is revealed in layers, each in its time according to the situation of the world - not to be politically correct but as revelation is needed, revelation by God is given. All through the book, it is written, "the word of the lord resounds but who will listen?" Further, the first church was pentecostal so should the last church be also pentecostal, the revelation of pentecostalistic church was the latter revelation after baptists.
  There are muslims who are indoctrinated from early early childhood in mohammads ways. Christian children get sunday school. There is little comparison.
  The bible and i have said this before, is not full of Gods people killing other people NEEDLESSLY. The surrounding nations were human sacrificers of babies, infants, and blood drinkers. They had no God to tell them to be nice. Their Gods were gods of war and said that killing Israel is an okay thing to do because they would get their stuff... uncivilized brutes and through it all, God said over and over, "I have already won this battle". During a time in the formation of countries, land was a big deal, especially land that had lots of water, God gave his people the best land, why not he created it.. i cannot go further for ennui.
  The quran is rife with violence today, Gods people are still pacifists. Do not blindly mistake the two. And don't be baffled by christian intelligence until you have walked in their christian footsteps.
  help the poor, give, love and you marvel that these are good guides?
  Clearly there is a fog around your forehead
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  Ohmaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Are you seriously trying to convince me or anyone else that
  1) The bible has not been subjected to many half a$$ed translations over the last 2000 yrs.
  2) that the christians gave not committed more than their share of horrendous acts against humanity in accordance with their interpretation of the bible.
  3) that christianity does not have their share of zealots walking around today.
  
  Sorry friend but I am not the one with my head in the fog. Obviously you refuse to acknowledge the whole truth about the history of your religion which is okay with me but please if you are going to preach to me at least do me the courtesy of telling me the whole truth.
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hanging out I agree 100%!!!! When God sent people to kill it was because they were doing unspeakable things against humanity! It seems some use this as justification to compare the two religions....when one kills for no real reason!
  
  Does not our legal system put a man to death for killing? Yes, I believe it does! It's to rid the world of those who are a danger to society!
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  Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and probably quite accurate, given that killing and pillaging are still Israeli national pastimes. (e.g. Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank expansionism).
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  not according to the article i just read in Christians for Israel magazine.
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  Don Wposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That seems a bit naive, or maybe just too optimistic. Why couldn't some maniac kill and then cite "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth" as the justification? In that case it doesn't matter if you don't interpret a piece of scripture as advocating violence. What matters is what the maniac takes it to mean.
  
  Likewise it doesn't matter if moderate Muslims don't interpret something in the quran as advocating violence. It matters that a minority of extremists interpret it to. That's why it's important for moderate Christians and Muslims to condemn in the strongest possible terms acts of violence which are carried out supposedly in the name of Christianity or Islam, and be seen to do that.
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A christian who mildly interprets the bible, his most heinous crime will be stealing peanut butter.
  Christians have no car bombers.
  No christian will fly a plane into a building
  
  There are no extremist Christians except the ones who really want to save your soul....
  It is not important for christians and muslims to work together. The quaran is a book of the devil and it is so easy to see and understand that, it is far more dangerous than the bible.
  We will have no fellowship with this work of darkness.
  
  as far as eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth goes...
  The God of the Bible put forth this rule:
  Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
  
  Deuteronomy 17:7 The hands of the witnesses shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterward the hands of all the people. So thou shalt put the evil away from among you. (very few jails in the desert)
  
  Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
  This is why searching the scriptures is important! So that we know how to handle every situation and that we know how to answer every question.
  
  ribbit
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  Paragliderposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you counted how many buckets of blood are spilled in Revelation? The last book in the New Testament is bloodier and fouler than anything the Old has to offer. It stinks.
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because this is the big wrap up! Do you know that in middle eastern countries and china, people are being beaten, imprisoned, killed for mentioning that Jesus is their lord.. This is the blood that is being spilt. Nation will fight against nation because of quaran.. this is the blood that is being spilt... and you want to blame the God of the bible for this?
  1/3 of the world is jesus intolerant and ya know who they are, the middle eastern countries. muslim, islam. These are not peaceful countries at all and God will wipe them out if they come against His people. Why? because murderers shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
  I am sorry but i am not buying your story.
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  khmohsinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There are two things
  1. Religion
  2. Followers
  
  Followers follow religion but a religion never follows people. Hope you agree with me. Now let me tell you few things about ISLAM. Before 9/11 no one ever blamed any muslim (Islam follower) that he is terrorist.
  If you watch the recently formulated documentary on youtube about the truth of 9/11 you will come to know that whats the reasons were behind.
  No one can blame any religion, because religion is set of rules and regulations of a society which has to be followed by people to stable the system of world.
  If you ever study bible, then you will come to know that it has many rules and regulations for its followers. Same the case is with Quran, it has rules and regulations for its follower.
  
  If one person who is American and visits Iran, he is representing the US. If he does some bad thing then what does it mean... can we say that all Americans are bad ?? No... Results are not made on such things.
  
  No one is PERFECT and No One Can EVER....
  The world in which we are living is surrounded by so many things like Media, Socialism ... Personal relations and so many other things. Media which was very weak before 50 years of time has now developed so much, people trust media. Every time what Media say is not truth.
  
  Well.. my discussion is taking so long. I just want to say that before knowing anything, Religion should not be blamed. Its people who make this happen.
  There are two types of Muslims
  1. Practicing Muslims
  2. Non Practicing Muslims
  
  But relation of terrorism with Jihad is opposite. If you have interest in History then read about Muslim rulers, Muslims fought for justice and they never hurt any innocent.
  But what happened in Afghanistan, Iraq and Palestine....
  What is war on terror and what is war for peace.... Truth is apparent, But don't know why people search it in false clues.
  To be honest.. You judge by yourself.
  
  Best Regards
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you made some interesting point...but muslim rulers fought for justice is myth...many did and many didn't...i infact dont get the taggings like muslims or christians or any...it doesnot matter what religion one follows as long as he/she keeps religion personal and doesnot cause trouble to any...
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  jameelkhan01posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i like your comment , its awesome
  
  i believe people should read and understand holy books like quran,bukhari sharif and hadees to know what really ISLAM is and what Muslims are rather than listening to comments of people who are defaming Muslims
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  jameelkhan01posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i like the comment of khmohsin nice
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Disappearinghead:
  Islam is a monotheism. There has never been a peacefull, loving monotheism. History has already proved this. That is the answer to your title question.
  There are many innocuous religions.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do the Christians and Jews agree with the above notion; that teachings of Bible are not applicable today ?
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  no
  can we agree that the teachings of mohamad are not applicable today?
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  LOL!! Agreed!!!
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  couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think Christians believe the New Testament is applicable today. Jesus didn't come to change the law of the old testament, he came to make it easier for people to live by it. For example, people don't have to sacrifice a lamb on an alter where only a priest from the tribe of Levi (I think) could enter.
  Christians and Jews have two very different belief systems today but it's interesting how the two are often linked together when it comes to being hated.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That is a deviation started by Paul; it has nothing to do with Jesus; Jesus was a Jew out and out, follower of Torah.
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No... the deviation from God's word was Muhammad!
  
  Peace Paarsurrey! Try it some time!!!!
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  Rajab Nsubugaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think there should be a dichotomy between 'religion' and the 'followers.' Currently in Uganda, the Lord's Resistance Army has been kidnapping women, young children and men and butchering them for the last two decades. However, this same outfit claims to be following the ten Commandments as stipulated in the Holy Bible should we therefore, put it to Christianity?
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  qwarkposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is no monotheistic religion that is "peaceloving!"
  For over 2000 years, the history of monotheists has been deadly. It continues today.
  Only the "mindless" wouldn't know that.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Were the Atheists Skeptics Agnostics peaceful? Somebody to please prove it.
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  gulnazahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Islam is the most peaceful religion but does this peace means that if somebody is killing your sons and daughters, husbands and wives still you stay peaceful and dont counterfight them?
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you find that happens often to you? How many times? Did you have to turn to Islam to guide you in their defense?
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  Stories Inc.posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Everything can be a peaceloving religion, and it usually started out that way, trying to help people deal with life, otherwise it never would have become something so widely spread and believed. It's just the people who fuck it up. I'm afraid it's intrinsically human to use things, systems, beliefs to our advantage and justify our (sometimes wicked) actions with it and influence others to do as we say. You can call it raping reason.
  But that's just my opinion.
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  Stories Inc.posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, btw, christianity isn't really any better. Crusades, inquisition, witch burnings, child-abuse, you name it. Nothing human is untainted, especially not human institutions. (Feel fry to provide a counterexample though, I hope there is at least one).
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  paarsurreyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sure Islam is the most peaceful religion. Please
  Regards
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spookyfoxposted 13 years ago
A religion isn't and can't be loving. Some people who follow it can be loving of peace and many other things, or fanatics that are sort of taken hostages by it.
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kephriraposted 13 years ago
The vast majority of muslims like to pretend that it is a peaceful religion, but they are just decieving themselves. Just like gay people who still call themselves christians.

You can't pick and choose parts of a religion and still claim that you are following that same religion and not something new which you just made up.
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  couturepopcafeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  kephrira - why can't gay people be Christians?
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A person that is homosexual (male or female) can be also Christian, as long as they are not praticing homosexuals. by practiceing I mean not by thought word or deed is that clear enough ?
  God bless
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bulldog53posted 13 years ago
They are no more peaceful than a pitbull in heat.
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
I'm only speaking from my heart, and how I perceive things, so...........

I feel that the nature of Islam is a peaceful one, as long as you are Islamic. I feel that the religion itself, was founded by a violent man, unlike Christianity. Which I think truly accounts for something. Islam was created and established through violent dishevel, mayhem, and murder. Christ never killed anyone. The same cannot be said of Muhammad. Therefore, I don't think Islam is a peace loving religion. Especially not with pursuant and acceptable measures like Jihad, being taught, preached about, and carried out. Jesus Christ, never at any moment condones violent behavior. NEVER. Now that is not saying that Christians are not violent people, without a violent history. Because we all know that is not true. But- the leader and the bases of the Christian faith was not, nor does it support violent actions or violent intentions. Jesus Christ, was not a violent man.

Their is a HUGE difference between Islam for peace, and Islam preaching peace. Is it for peace? Based off its leaders, founder, and ethical writings- no not really. Whereas Christianity is quite the opposite.

If it is not for peace, then how can it be loving? It can't.
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  Rajab Nsubugaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Intimate- Unlike other heavenly religions, Islam is a way of life. So during its initiation stages it colluded with a lot of politicians and other influential groupings of the time. If you are a student of Islamic History you will note that most of the fights were being brought to them, and that it was only in defense. Your next question then would be that, 'aren't there wars that were initiated by Muslims? I will answer in the affirmative. But just like in chess, a gambit is made by a fast thinking player. These wars were preemptive measures against those that perceived Islam as a threat to their social political and economic standing. It is absurd that up to this very day there minds who share such sentiments. Not that everything done in Islam is right but just as it is with Christianity, we only have to be tolerant.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
Here are the words of the "founding men" from the bible.

Stand in silence in the presence of the Sovereign LORD, for the awesome day of the LORD's judgment has come. The LORD has prepared his people for a great slaughter and has chosen their executioners. "On that day of judgment," says the LORD, "I will punish the leaders and princes of Judah and all those following pagan customs. Yes, I will punish those who participate in pagan worship ceremonies, and those who steal and kill to fill their masters' homes with loot. "On that day," says the LORD, "a cry of alarm will come from the Fish Gate and echo throughout the newer Mishneh section of the city. And a great crashing sound will come from the surrounding hills. Wail in sorrow, all you who live in the market area, for all who buy and sell there will die. "I will search with lanterns in Jerusalem's darkest corners to find and punish those who sit contented in their sins, indifferent to the LORD, thinking he will do nothing at all to them. They are the very ones whose property will be plundered by the enemy, whose homes will be ransacked. They will never have a chance to live in the new homes they have built. They will never drink wine from the vineyards they have planted. "That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes – a day when strong men will cry bitterly. It is a day when the LORD's anger will be poured out. It is a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, of clouds, blackness, trumpet calls, and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and strongest battlements! "Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you as helpless as a blind man searching for a path. Your blood will be poured out into the dust, and your bodies will lie there rotting on the ground." Your silver and gold will be of no use to you on that day of the LORD's anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth. (Zephaniah 1:7:18 NLT)

Here are the words of the other "founding men"

Qur’an 47:4 So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish.

Where's the difference?
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well- who mentioned Judaism?
  
  I was comparing the "founding men" of Jesus Christ(Christianity) and Mohammad(Islam), so surely you weren't quoting "founding men" from my post. Yes, I totally agree with you on the fact that Judaism was and is a very violent supporting religion. Christianity, not so much.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So how do you make the disconnect from the OT father's obvious psychosis?
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because Christianity is based from the teachings of Jesus Christ. That's how. I'm not Jewish for a reason, as with many other Christians. There is a reason why Christ separated himself from other Jews.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, what do you do with the entire OT and revelations?
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, I don't know whether you care about my answer or if your just being a smart-arse.
  
  So clarify this for me, do you really want to know, or where you just being a smart-arse?
  
  You're style of wording along with the smiley face, tells me your trying to be cute, with no regard to really wanting to know my belief.
  
  So why bother explaining my beliefs to you? Tell earnsthub, why?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why don't you just astonish me and answer the question instead of resorting to personal abuse.
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  Beelzedadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I got exactly the same thing, earnest.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not the most useful way to be in a discussion.
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  aguasilverposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Were you in a discussion? - to me it looked like you were trying to provoke a fight by misquoting OT scripture and trying to decry Christ.... Good to see you back Earnest, folk were getting around too discussing things and enjoying the fellowship, and we all know that the forums are just places for atheists to make waves..
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  Woman Of Courageposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So true.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I NEVER misquote scripture. As for this being your private place to promote your beliefs in a particular god or fantasy, that needs no reply.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Like taking un-necessary cheaps shots at me again I see? Your reported again for personal bashing. I'm sick of you patronizing me, stalking me, and posting hateful remarks about me. I've tried to be nice to you, but............, I don't get your motives........
  
  So I'll let hubpages decide once again.
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  IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Personal abuse?
  
  Whatever. Seems to me, with all your hateful rhetoric in the religious forums, you might want to look into the mirror. Talk about your pot calling the kettle black.
  
  my, oh my.
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Atta girl! After two years we have certainly had enough of earnests peeing all over the place.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Read back two years and been here two months? Interesting.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  simple fact Jesus replaced the OT with the NT simple fact earnest, and if you have read the Bible you will know this.....................
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  thisisoliposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus spread the word of God, yes?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hi friend thisisoli
  
  You are very clear here that Jesus is different person than the Creator-God Allah YHWH.
  
  Thanks
  
  I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "honey i am home"
  
  "i had a rough day"
  
  where is the difference?
  Whatalotofrot
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
earnestshub wrote:
Here are the words of the "founding men" from the bible.

Stand in silence in the presence of the Sovereign LORD, for the awesome day of the LORD's judgment has come. The LORD has prepared his people for a great slaughter and has chosen their executioners. "On that day of judgment," says the LORD, "I will punish the leaders and princes of Judah and all those following pagan customs. Yes, I will punish those who participate in pagan worship ceremonies, and those who steal and kill to fill their masters' homes with loot. "On that day," says the LORD, "a cry of alarm will come from the Fish Gate and echo throughout the newer Mishneh section of the city. And a great crashing sound will come from the surrounding hills. Wail in sorrow, all you who live in the market area, for all who buy and sell there will die. "I will search with lanterns in Jerusalem's darkest corners to find and punish those who sit contented in their sins, indifferent to the LORD, thinking he will do nothing at all to them. They are the very ones whose property will be plundered by the enemy, whose homes will be ransacked. They will never have a chance to live in the new homes they have built. They will never drink wine from the vineyards they have planted. "That terrible day of the LORD is near. Swiftly it comes – a day when strong men will cry bitterly. It is a day when the LORD's anger will be poured out. It is a day of terrible distress and anguish, a day of ruin and desolation, a day of darkness and gloom, of clouds, blackness, trumpet calls, and battle cries. Down go the walled cities and strongest battlements! "Because you have sinned against the LORD, I will make you as helpless as a blind man searching for a path. Your blood will be poured out into the dust, and your bodies will lie there rotting on the ground." Your silver and gold will be of no use to you on that day of the LORD's anger. For the whole land will be devoured by the fire of his jealousy. He will make a terrifying end of all the people on earth. (Zephaniah 1:7:18 NLT)

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And do you take this as an idol threat ??????

You can either ignore it if it is ... or you can give out a battle cry and charge forward, or take it as a legitimate warning and do what you may.

What we say here on this forum has nothing to do with its truth or non truth.
If it is true it doesn't matter how many people that you can get to agree with you.
The truth is the truth no matter what we think.
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  spookyfoxposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's just a fancy, very elaborate threat It differs a lot from a warning, which is basically giving information in order to prevent you from getting harmed.
  
  If I say "You shouldn't smoke, it deteriorates your physical health", that's a warning. If I say "Turn off that cigarette or I will cripple you", that's a threat. One indicates a natural cause and effect, the other one implies a will with intention of harming you if you don't follow certain conditions. Do you see the difference?
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
No, I take that for what it is as it is written.

The ramblings of a maniac "god."
The quoran is the same.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well that is your choice. And I wish you well with it.
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
Actually I believe that the verse in question was most likely a prophesy that has already been fulfilled.
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pisean282311posted 13 years ago
religion is paradox..by definition it speaks for humanity,peace and love but if one is out of the camp of religion...the people in camp can go to any extent..why single out Islam?..after all in end all religion followers are humans and humans can be violent and peaceful, both...
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almera diwaposted 13 years ago
Yes,of course, Islam is a peace loving religion. It came from the arabic word Salam which means peace. Those who act deviant actions and claim that their religion is Islam do not belong to Islam. Muslims, the people of Islam, are good. They are god-fearing people. They will not make things that will harm others.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  i appreciate your emotions but current situation states otherwise...there are lots of people in muslims who can't tolerate other faiths and secular ethos..ofcourse there are such types in all religions but islamic fanatics are well networked..today only i read saudi minister's comment that they have neutralized 230 terror plots this year..according to those who tried to terrorize, saudi too is non islamic since they dont adhere to their version of islam...and it is not just saudi ...look at any terror plot 9 out of 10 has fanatic muslim connection...so one cannot turn blind eye to such attempts..
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's the religious tomes themselves and their adherents that cause the killing. Read the Bible or quoran and see how many threats are made. They are in the thousands!
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  o shutup puhleeze.
  you are trying to shove your beliefs down our throat every third post. I wish hubpages would just delete your account completely. Hate hate hate, anger, wrath, everybodies got a psychosis with you.. you see manic activity is everybody, nobodies opinion is ever good enough for a lighthearted nice intelligent answer.. its always, jab, jab, uppercut, jab, punch, hit, growl..
  get a life somewhere else but here.
  Every third post its always you whining about the OT .. theres a new testament in town pardner and its better than the last one.. get up to date!
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  pure rubish earnest I know you have not read or understood the Bible, you can belive what you will. But do not quote what you do not understand OK
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Neverletitgoposted 13 years ago
I see a lot of people in this discusion complaining about Islam and Muslim for nothing. First of all, Islam(religion) is from Allah and no one can blame, you can blame Muslims as you can blame christians. When it comes Jesus(Peace be upon him) and Mohamed(peace and bless be upon him), We believe that they drunk from same sourc. I mean God sent them both of them to mankind to save them from hell of fire. As a Muslim, I am writing here my idea without saying any bad language and I believe the majority are like me. I read a lot of people insulting Islam and Muslims here and still talking about peoce and violence. I read from internet so many times some people saying terrorist=Islam.I can't Insult christianity and christian for nothing as people here doing now and even my religion doesn't allow me to do that. Finally before you talk about somebody's mistake please correct yours so that we can accept and listen your aguerment. Islam is Peaceful religion. It is religion of peace and submition to God. We need fair judgement. Peace to all of you.
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  khmohsinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly...
  
  I appreciate your answer.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Is Islam a peace loving religion?

Yes, sure Islam is the most rational, peace loving and peace promoting religion.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  cut most rational part..that is your perception and if u ask a christian for him christianity is most rational ,for jain it is jainism and so on..who decides which is most rational?..it is subjective matter...ya you can surely put your points about why you think islam is peace loving when jihadis show otherwise...
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Yes, sure Islam is the most rational, peace loving and peace promoting religion.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  now talk to christian and ask them why Christianity is most rational..you would get their answers...humans always believe that their way is most rational and nothing wrong in that..that is how humans evolved...
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sid_candidposted 13 years ago
No religion teaches violence and hatred for fellow human beings. Its no different with Islam. Its the people who propagate violence and hatred in the world and not the religion. So respect all religions and try to get these people who are spreading hatred and violence around the world mend their ways.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago
Then what is Jihad?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Same as the bible.
  Hateful violence directed at those who don't choose to believe or follow someone's idea of what the truth is about a bronze aged myth.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  earnest you are so full of your own inportance, but do you expect us to belive you? God bless I think you are verry illinformed
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IntimatEvolutionposted 13 years ago

Predictable.
yawn.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Truth is always predictable. it contains reality in place of myths and knows the difference between an imagined psychopathic fairy making threats and reality.
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  hanging outposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You know it sister.
  i will agree with that yawn
  yawn.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Disappearinghead wrote:

Sure the bible is full of blood letting in the Old Testament, but we do understand that these are within the context of medieval Hebrew history, and understand that they are not applicable today.

Paarsurrey said:

Do the Christians and Jews agree with the above notion; that teachings of Bible are not applicable today ?

hanging out said:
no
can we agree that the teachings of mohamad are not applicable today

Paarsurreys says:

Quran evolutionized the teachings of the Bible , added reason for it; improved them and made them rational and practicable.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Is Islam a peace loving religion?

Quran/Islam/Muhammad are very peaceful; if seen with the correct text; no doubt it is a very peaceful religion. It is spreading very fast.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I belive Islam is not peacefull, if you find a peacefull passage in the Quran and find a later verse ( same subject) you are ordered to follow the later ( more violent) verse, Islam and the Quran keep saying one thing and doing another, for EXAMPLE the Quran clearly states a Muslim may have 1 to 4 wives, but Mohammed had over 14 wives, did not Mohammed refuse to follow the Quran!!! If Islam in so peacefull explain the Taliban, are they not true BELIVERS!!! If the Quran and Islam are so peacefull explain 9/11 again true belivers in the name of Islam.!!! Mohammed kept changing the Quran to let him do as he pleases. You can visit any other religions HOLY SITES except Islam, what do they have to hide.!!!! Islam still followes many PAGEN rituals in Mecca , left over from the Moon God of Arabia.
  I truly belive ISLAM IS NOT PEACEFULL
  The Qyran can not add anything to the Bible.
  Quran has no reason for the Bible.
  Quran is thought up by one man ( who claimed to be visited by Gabrial)
  yet Mohammed was so scared by what he say, but his wife saw NOTHING,and Mohammed's wife was with Mohammed! but Mohammed let his wife show her ' PRIVATE PARTS' to the so called 'angel' who then left, Mohammed was so 'SCARED' it took his wife many hours to calm Mohammed down, a 'angel from God' I think not.
  Islam states 'Jesus ' died in India, that is pure fiction.
  Jesus died on the cross PERIOD no one came down from the cross alive.
  That is why I belive there is no such person as a PEACEFULL MUSLIM!!
  
  just by stateing what I have Islam wants to 'kill' me, because I (in a 'true belivers eyes) did gravely insult Mohammed and Islam.
  
  I do not and never will accept that anything in the Quran is the word of any God, to me it is just the raveings of a man that wanted to be Great, but could not read or write,
  Even the Meccans called Mohammed a lier, Mohammed had to raise a ARNY and FORCE the Quran on the Meccans, is it any different to day, Islam is trying to make the world Islamic by FORCE
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Islam states 'Jesus ' died in India, that is pure fiction. - Not true..Islam doesnot say jesus died in India..Yes Islam believes that since jesus was sent by god , god couldn't let him die on cross. So god lifted jesus christ directly to heaven. Islam too believes in return of christ concept...
  
  Ahamadis believe that christ died in India but according to majority of muslims ahamadis are not muslims...
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ok but Ahamadis still state they are Muslim.,other 'parts' of Islam say they are not. so who do I belive???
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To be fair with ahamadis , they are peaceful sect..the man who started ahamadi sect banned jihad...
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Pisean I agree that paar APPEARS peacefull, but he sure attacks my beliefs and Jesus, he is always heaping INSULTS on Christians. He has to try and prove the Quran was sent to ;correct' the Bible, to any Christian that is a insult. Paar also want's Christians to accept Jesus did not die on the cross.( INSULT) and went to India were Jesus died a peacefull death , ( another INSULT) is his words PEACEFULL??
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Skipper
  
  I can feel your hatred toward Islam & I dont mean to defend Muslims but your post clearly reflects your ignorance about Islam. Your response is quite amateurish & full of rumor & myths.
  
  Such rumor & myths can also be spread against Jesus & I dont think you will like that!
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  if you belive that its fine by me, so now you are going to say the same about paar? or you just going to attack me................
  Anr furthermore do not asume that I have a hatered of Islam, to assume somthing makes you a ass, already you ignore what insults have been said about Jesus and Christians, or is your complaint only one sided? if you answer we will see if you are even handed...................and I do not hate any religion..................
  God bless
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So I presume, Jesus teaches to insult those who insult you? Eye for an Eye, right??
  
  Looks like its really hard to hide the True color of God & Religion!!! No matter how many times you state that Bible & Christianity is different than Quran & other religions, the attributes & actions of its followers conclude the same result, "Theres no difference between the Two"
  
  Parr is not a regular Muslim & he admits that indirectly. Check out his previous posts where you will find the line " Im an ahmadi peaceful Muslim' at the bottom of its posts & everyone here knows it.
  
  Ahmadi sect has been rejected as a part of Islam by all the majority Muslim authorities of all Muslim nations. Therefore, you cannot attack Mohammad or Islam based on the claims of Parr.
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
The Promised Messiah 1835-1908 writes:

I have written this book (Jesus in India), so that, by adducing proofs from established facts, from conclusive historical evidence of proved value and from ancient documents of non-Muslims, I might remove the serious misconceptions which are current among Muslims and among most Christian sects regarding the earlier and the later life of Jesus (on whom be peace) - misconceptions, the dangerous implications of which have not only injured and destroyed the conception of Divine Unity, but the unwholesome and poisonous influence of which has for long been noticed in the morals of the Muslims of this country.

Spiritual maladies, i.e., want of good morals, evil thoughts, callousness, want of sympathy, are spreading among most Islamic sects, being the result of beliefs in unfounded stories and anecdotes of this kind. Human sympathy, pity and love of justice, humility and humble-mindedness - all good qualities - are disappearing day by day, as if they will soon bid a last farewell to this community.

This callousness and this immorality make many a Muslim appear no better than the beasts of the jungle. A Jain or a Buddhist is afraid of and avoids killing even a mosquito or a flea, but, alas! there are many among us Muslims who, while they kill an innocent man or commit wanton murder, are not afraid of the powerful God, who rates human life higher than that of all the animals. What is this callousness and cruelty and want of sympathy due to?

It is due to this - that from their very childhood, stories and anecdotes and wrong views of the doctrine of Jihad are dinned into their ears and inculcated into their hearts, the result being that gradually they become morally dead and cease to feel the heinousness of their hateful actions; nay, rather, the man who murders another man unawares and thus brings ruin to the murdered man's family thinks that he has done a meritorious deed; or rather, that he has made the most of an opportunity to win favour with his community. As no lectures or sermons are delivered in our country to stop such evils - and if there are any such lectures they have an element of hypocrisy in them - the common people think approvingly of such misdeeds.

Accordingly, taking pity upon my own people, I have compiled several books in Urdu, Persian and Arabic, in which I have stated that the popular view of Jihad prevalent among Muslims, that is, the expectation of a bloody Imam, full of spite and hostility for other people, is a texture of false beliefs inculcated by shortsighted Ulema; otherwise, Islam does not allow the use of the sword for the Faith; except in the case of defensive wars, or in the case of wars waged to punish a tyrant or to uphold freedom. The need of a defensive war arises when the aggression of an adversary threatens one's own life. These are the three kinds of Jihad permitted by the Shariat, and, apart from these three kinds, there is no other kind of war which is permitted by Islam for the propagation of the Faith.

I have, in short, spent a large sum of money on such books, and have published them in this country and in Arabia and Syria and Khurasan, etc. But, by the grace of God, I have now discovered powerful arguments which are meant to eradicate these unfounded beliefs from the hearts of the people. I have clear proofs, circumstantial evidence of a conclusive character, and historical evidence the light of whose truth holds out the promise that soon after their publication there will be brought about against such beliefs a wonderful change in the hearts of the Muslims.

And I hope - I am sure - that after these truths have been comprehended, there will flow out of the hearts of the righteous sons of Islam the sweet and beautiful springs of lowliness, humility and mercy, and that there will come about a spiritual change which will have a wholesome and a blessed influence on the country.

I am also sure that Christian investigators and all other people who hanker after the truth and thirst for it, will benefit from my books. And the fact just now stated by me, that the real object of this book is to correct the wrong beliefs which have become part and parcel of the creeds of Muslims and Christians, requires a little explanation which I set out below.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/je … intro.html
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  paar I do not and will not accept your notion that Jesus ever went to India after Jesus was on the cross, I do not accept that you can correct any Christian belief's about Jesus.
  Nice try paar but I have to tell you that Jesus died on the cross, NO ONE CAME DOWN ALIVE. PERIOD.
  As a follower of a banned sect of Islam, what can you tell a Christian, nothing because you only tell your view from a flawed book the Quran, nice that you say you are peacefull.
  But nice try paar!! but fix your religion first, do not try to fix any other religions first.
  As I said NICE TRY, but there is NOTHING in the Quran for Christians, PERIOD, to me it is a poorly written text with nothing that is valid in it.
  
  Furthermore no 'creed' of Islam has any bearing on a Christian to me the Quran is a flawed book PERIOD
  
  memerised by many written by many after Mohammeds death, it is even not followed by Mohammed I give you proof, If the Quran states a Muslim can only have 1 to 4 wives, then Mohammed disrespected the (so called) word of Allah and Allahs QURAN by having over 14 wives.!!!!
  Can you explain how the Quran states one thing and Mohammed can do as he pleases????
  Quran not a true work of God as even Mohammed will not do as it is written, so paar fix your beliefs first.................................
  
  I have read your last post many times, to me you just talk pure RUBISH
  
  nice try paar but your words about a self proclaimed Messia ( not belived by any other Muslim) just do not tell the TRUTH!
  
  Also Paar I bet you will not answer about Mohammed NOT following the Quran, you will put it in the too HARD basket, or run away or ask a unrelated Question. up to you paar...........................
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  Rajab Nsubugaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Skipper, slow down, you might blow up! Which book quotes, "Do as I say but do not do as I Do?" I do not think Jesus ever married? I remember Jesus ever protecting the prostitutes yet the Bible condemns them! All I want to point out is that they can be a lot of contradictions depending on which side of the spectrum you are standing from.
  
  The Quran is no flawed book neither is the Holy bible, however, unlike the Quran the Bible has so many written versions this is the difference. For sure Jesus never died on the cross that is why He is never counted among the dead. Or you count Him?
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I will say this again, Jesus died on the cross, no one came down alive.
  if the Quran is not flawered explain how the Quran states 1 to 4 wives and Mohammed had over 14 wives? Is that not a flaw??
  
  I have never stated Jesus MARRIED!
  counted among the 'dead' who counted the dead,???
  
  I never said ' do as I say or do as I do' ok please do not miss quote me.
  
  nice try now try to answer why Mohammed did not follow Allah's words in the Quran?
  God bless you................
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  1. Neither Quran nor Islam claims that Jesus went to india. However, Islam claims that Jesus was picked up to heaven by God & an evil person was crucified in his place. Jesus is in heaven & he will return in the end of days.
  
  The story of Jesus going to india is an ahmadi concept, no relation to Islam.
  
  2. Muhammad had 11 to 14 wives. The actual number is debatable. But there were specific verses explaining the reason for his marriage whenever there was doubt. It is said that Allah instructed or permitted him to marry those women. Allah, thus made an exception for his prophet by sending special verses but regulated the law for the rest. So technically, you cannot say that Muhammad did not follow Allahs words.
  
  However, there is significant amount of doubt about having 1-4 wives for normal people. Because some rules say that If a man can financially, mentally & physically be just & equal to many wives then he can have many wives, whether it be 4 wives or 40, the number doesnt matter. This is why even in these days you see Saudi billionaires having 30-40 wives.
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  Greek Oneposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  where can I get one of those 'special verses' exceptions??
  
  (or better yet, a Saudi billionaire's $$?
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am searching for the same things. I will let you know if I find them
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  [4:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
  [4:2] O ye people! fear your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and created therefrom its mate, and from them twain spread many men and women; and fear Allah, in Whose name you appeal to one another, and fear Him particularly respecting ties of relationship. Verily, Allah watches over you.
  [4:3] And give to the orphans their property and exchange not the bad for the good, and devour not their property with your own. Surely, it is a great sin.
  [4:4] And if you fear that you will not be fair in dealing with the orphans, then marry of women as may be agreeable to you, two, or three, or four; and if you fear you will not deal justly, then marry only one or what your right hands possess. That is the nearest way for you to avoid injustice.
  [4:5] And give the women their dowries willingly. But if they, of their own pleasure, remit to you a part thereof, then enjoy it as something pleasant and wholesome.
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … mp;verse=0
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  Rishy Richposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  4:2 is eye catchy, it starts with - "FEAR YOUR LORD" ...Dont see love in it, looks like your God is threating us.
  
  4:4 is tricky & vague, as all people think of themselves as fair, anyone financially stable enough would go for at least four wives. While rich guys would go for more!
  
  Rather posting links, try to explain the verses by urself. I ensure you that hardly anyone clicks on these links.
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jay_kumar_07posted 13 years ago
QURAN speaks good things.But why Musalmans name probagate and highlighted every where.

I Thing probagation of ISLAM is very poor.
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you; with Ahmadiyya we have started doing it in organized way; everybody is welcome to participate and support it.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  but paar you only are a minority sect and Islam will not acept you, so what you do will not matter in overall, acceptence of things will it???
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  paar you always insult the Bible by saying the Quran ( unproven) is here to correct the Bible?
  You always insult Jesus by saying he died in india....... untrue
  
  I guess the Quran cannot get it right about how many wives a man can have, looks like you can have as many as you like, or how much money you have,so once more the Quran changes its rules for money!!!!!
  
  Isee that Jesus going to india is a Ahmadiyya concept and therefore is NOT A ISLAMIC CONCERPT
  
  thank you rishy rich, I'm glad somebody else sees the THREAT from Mohammeds words to everybody ............. like you I cant see 'LOVE' anywere like 'Greek one' I want the 'SPECIAL" verses too.!! Were are the 'special ' verses, the ones that let me do as I wish Mohammed found them, paar now show me were that are????
  
  I want 8 wives ranging in age from 12 to 24,I like Mohammed I like them young . ( OMG KIDDING FOLKS) but if it is good enough 4 Mohammed it is good for all Muslims............................
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  Rajab Nsubugaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And I bate that you are! Skipper, the point I was driving at was that there are so many contradictions in what a prophet did and that what is found in the books. For instance, Jesus turned water into wine but he never sipped on the wine! Why? The Bible strongly recommends procreation but Jesus had no children. does that bring Jesus's prophecy into question or the Bible. It is in this light that I stated that, 'do as I say but not as I do.' I can only guess it is a christian saying.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I am sorry I am told that the Quran cannot be contradicted, as the Quran us perfect and reasonable. I did not agree that Jesus died in India,weather Jesus had kids or not makes no difference to his words, I was only pointing out that the Quran,in wich every word which must be belived . If this is the case, then how can the Quran 's words be changed, or is it like Mohammeds words that changed when Mohammed wanted more booty or woman?
  
  Is the words in the Quran to be accepted, and followed to the letter?
  If so tell me how many wives the Quran says a man can have, the EXACT NUMBER??
  If you can give a exact number, or is the words of the Quran FLAWED, is the Quran exact in ANYTHING???
  I belive people lie about Mohammed's attack on the Meccan's. Mohammed was the attacked NOT the Meccans?
  The bible was written by MANY over many YEARS, but the QURAN was remembered by many hundreads over many years, then after Mohamed died was written down again by MANY hunderds, AND WITHOUT A SINGLE MISTAKE I belive with good honest reason that is inpossiable, PERIOD!!
  Sorry I am told by many Muslims that there is only one true reasonable book, about Mohammed ( The Quran)and it is true in every word, and has not been changed, so who is right YOU or MAIN STREAM MUSLIMS???
  THe funny thing was I never mentioned my God Jesus, who did die on the cross,but you cannot answer my QUESTIONS truthfully , like 99% of Muslims you CHANGE the SUBJECT and tell more lies about Jesus and the Bible,!!!! The name of this post has nothing to do with Jesus or the BIBLE so you cannot change and attack Jesus, this post is about Islam see if you can stick to the subject, IT IS NOT HARD!!!
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  Rajab Nsubugaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Skipper, a lot said about the women. But the Quran talks more than just a woman. I can only guess if you have issues with your woman. But Let me try to answer some of the issues you try to raise. The Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammed and it was mainly preserved through memorization.
  Prior to Islam the World treated a woman as commodity. Women could be used as either facilitators in business or rightly sold.
  Islam, in an effort to restore normalcy stopped the trade of women. This led to much friction and resistance.
  
  Detractors of Islam want to make believe that Islam requires every muslim man to marry four wives! This is not true. Islam strongly recommends a one life partner. However, it leaves room for one to marry up to four under very restrictive conditions. For instance, if there are irreconcilable differences e.g cannibalism, a woman is barren. But even under such circumstances it has to be done with the concert of the 1st wife.
  
  Islam goes further to explain the circumstances under which a man can have more than one wife. That he should be able to satisfy them EQUALLY in all walks of life. This is where most fall off. However, perfect one is, can not satisfy four or two people "EQUALLY!" So it is a problem of interpretation and I would not think that all muslims follow the Quran to the latter just like their Christian cousins.
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  Neverletitgoposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Skipper, the way you’re talking is not going to defend what you believe. I read what you posted here and most of the time was insulting Prophet Mohamed (peace and bless be upon him), the holy Quran, Islam and Muslims. I am sure that there some Muslims like you who can insult back. For me I believe that my religion give a lot of respect to Jesus (peace and bless be upon him) and we have to believe him as prophet. My friend bring you point of view, but don't insult. Your point was most of the time same question about our lovely prophet and his marriage. Friend Islam is universal religion and it shows the way of the life. You said so many times that Muslims believe that Jesus died in India. We don't believe that, he didn't die but Allah took him to the sky and he will return and will bring justice in this world. Friend, you need to know that we love Jesus and we don't believe him the way you believe. He is not God and he is not son of God, but he is a messenger of God. Now can you explain me what is trinity and don't try to give me example like egg.
  Finally, let's discuss and talk peacefully.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Neverletitgo, Friend it is a great insult to me for you to say that Jesus did not die on the cross to me that is another insult from Islam, you always insult Christians, Jesus died on the cross period NO ONE CAME DOWN ALIVE.Simple the holy trinity is God the father god the son and God the holy sperit. it is faith based as is your belief that the Quran was renembered by 100's then written by 100's with out a mistake. Second this is a post about PEACEFULL Islam,I ask you this question, How many Christians pracrice terrorism. it appears Muslims will cut off a mans head on world TV and do not have thr Guts to show their faces!
  Muslims can fly planes into buildings, and kill thousand's of peacefull people, but Islam is PEACEFULL! The Talaban can take over a country, that is peacefull! Islm is allways attacking Iseral ( and getting its ass kicked) is that peace full! Islam want's Sharia law in non islamic Countries and riots and causes trouble to get it. is that Peacefull.! ( if the country you came to does not have sharia law GO HOME simple) you did not answer my question, so I will ask it again. If the Quran says a Muslim man can have UP TO FOUR wives, how can Mohammed have 14, is that not against the Quran and the word of Allah??And do not insult me or my faith by saying that Allah took Jesus from the cross, that is about the worst insult you can say, it is pure LIES, it is just a insult to make Islam look good, you always Insult Jesus, Jusus was not and never will be ( a lowly messenger of God) Jesus was the son of God Period. You only say you love Jesus to try and make Islam appear to cover every religion, just like Mohammed remembered parts of the old testerment and made it Islam, I listen to your Islamic lies about Jesus, FACT Jesus was never rescued by Allah ( no truth) Jesus is son of God, and is nothing to go with Allah. You have been corrected, now if you can talk about ' is Islam peacefull" And I did not know I was trying to defend the truth,and before you say I insult look at your own words.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  RajabI I do relise that Islam will not make every man have 4 wives, I know it is not required. ( I can read and understand) but you still do not answer the questionHow can Mohammed have 14 wives??? How can Mohammed provide for 14 wives?
  If the Quran says 1 to 4 wives, do you not refuse to follow the Quran if you have more??
  now answer this post ' is Islam peacefull'?
  now I understand the Quran was memorised by hundreds after some time it was written down by many, I do not belive a mistake was not made.!
  but back to this post Is islam peacefull, I thing Islam can never say it is peacefull ,after all Mohammed forced his belief on the Meccans by WAR after the Mecans told Mohammed was not a Prophet, that is peacefull Islam?
  Islam wants the whole world to be under Sharia law, and will try to force Islam on every body , Islam states ( Islam is unerversial Religon) it takes pieces from every religion, Islam even fights Islam so what hope do we have that Islam is peacefull!!! No Hope!
  Jesus died on the CROSS, no one came down alive, Allah did not save the Son of God, PERIOD so please stop telling this insulting lie. You also help prove Islam is not peacefull by your insults and lies about Jesus.
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  Rajab Nsubugaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  As I've stated before, it is a matter of interpretation or misinterpretation. How on earth is saying that, 'of all the torture that Jesus went through, he did not die.' an insult? To be it is another miracle among the many that proved his status.
  
  Muhammed (SAW) could not read or write, how then could he have got to know that that was in the old testament?
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skipper112posted 13 years ago
as a Christian i belive Jesus died on the cross, for you to say Jesus DID not die, is a insult, you know it is. Islam says Allah rescued Jesus from the Cross, that is wrong, there was only one way off the cross, you had to be dead. period!Jesus knew he was going to die to save all mankind,Allah had NOTHING to do with Jesus.
Mohammed could not read or write, so how could Mohammed be sure his words were really correct in the Quran which Mohammed never saw?
The miracle was Jesus's resrection, Jesus rose from the dead.
Jesus was the son of God, and the saviour of the world.To say Jesus did not die is a INSULT, it is like me saying Mohammed never was, after all can you name 1 miracle that Mohammed preformed?
there is no missinterpation Jesus died on the cross no one came down alive.
To say any different is only hearsay and insulting.Unless you were there, and saw with your own eyes.
Mohammed heard people reading the old Testerment and the Torah but could not remember it exactly.
Allah did not help Jesus Allah hates Jews. read your Quran about the Jews.
May the Lord Jesus Christ let you see the truth.
Amen
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The Creator-God Allah YHWH helps His Messengers and Prophets in the hour of need. Jesus was a truthful Messenger and Prophet of the Creator-God Allah YHWH so to say that Jesus died a cursed death on Cross is saying he was a false Prophtet and hence it is an insult of Jesus. Sure it is
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus' death upon the cross was the fulfillment of prophecy. If the prophecy had gone unfulfilled, THEN Jesus would have been a false prophet. Your statements in general on the subject only tend to make christians like you less. They whisper "He speaks satanic words" GET IT? Just tryin' to put things in perspective.
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skipper112posted 13 years ago
oh dear paar you know nothing,Jesus was never a prophet of Allah, Jesus died on the Cross to save mankind, something you will never understand! Jesus was resrected from death by the Father, Jesus rose on the third day.Allah NEVER RESCUED JEWS PERIOD!!
Read what the Quran says about Jews and Christians,sorry paar nice try but you still INSULT Jesus, because Jesus never needed the help of a lessor God.
Can Mohammed rise from the DEAD. No Allah is not powfull enough!
Jesus could read and write, Jesus was a Carpenter, Jesus was the son of God.
Jesus rose from the dead.

Mohammed could not read or write.
Mohammed stole, cheated and waged War.
Mohammed could not rise from the dead.
Mohammed had no trade.
Mohammed forced his Quran on the Meccans ( who knew he was a false Prophert) by a act of War.

So over to you paar nice try, but you get a booby prize.
May The Lord Jesus Christ enlighten you paar . amen
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  gulnazahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Skipper you said Jesus died on the cross to save mankind I could not get it can you please explain it a bit?
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, and Islam is peace loving as long as you face Mecca. They'd rather it was Jerusalem.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  gulma as you are aparantly not a Christian I belive if you read the NT in the bible you will understand.
  God bless
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  Rajab Nsubugaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  'No Allah is not powerful enough.' Aint you contradicting the "Trinity Dogma", Skipper? What is the role of: god the father, the son and the holy ghost? By saying that Jesus rose from the dead aren't you in otherwise saying that the Jesus you so much glorify "cheated" death? Skipper, is your Jesus a cheat!!
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  read the bible then you might understand. I am not contradicting the Holy Trinity. you can insult Jesus I expect you to do that because you know no better.before you put down other beliefs read our Bible, after all I read your Quran,so can you read the Bible and then talk about Jesus or are you just going to keep up your UNIFORMED DRIBBLE?
  God bless
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Rajab... how can you cheat death if you created it?
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  gulnazahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No I am not a christian but I have heard christians say that Jesus died on cross to save mankind. A Christian will never be asked for the sins he has done in his/her life. This is what I have heard from Christians I just want to know that is it really what christianity says.
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skipper112posted 13 years ago
Dear follower's of Islam, if you can stop insulting Jesus, if you can stop insulting Christians, we can talk rationaly.
To a Christian Jesus did die on the Cross, and was resurected on the third day.
Allah had nothing to do with Jusus.
Allah and Islam have NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY.PERIOD.
Allah has NOTHING to do with any other Religion. PERIOD!
Why do you always heap insults on Christians?
Why do you NEVER heap insluts on Jews?
You never Insult Budda, or OTHER RELIGION"S?
Instead of insults, why can't Islam talk peacefully?
Just remember your Allah is not our God, NEVER was and NEVER WILL BE.!
Islam is just another Religion, it is not the ONLY religion, Islam has flaws same as every other RELIGION, before you put another Religion down, look at your own Quran like the Bible or the Torah the Quran is not perfect.
Try being peacefull and understanding of other faiths, as Islan is not the only FAITH nor is it PERFECT.
Just try to be peacefull, it really is not hard.
UNTILL ISLAM STARTS ACTING PEACEFULL THIS WORLD WILL NEVER KNOW PEACE.
I hope members of Islam will start being peacefull, before the rest of the world says, STOP your act's of terrorism ( under the name of Allah) NOW. WE WILL TAKE NO MORE TERRORISM. YOU MUST BE PEACEFULL NOW !! YOU MUST STOP NOW!!!!
Islams Non PEACEFULL BEHAVIOUR can drag the whole world into WAR. And remember all of Islam in the MIDDLE EAST have been trying to remove the Jews from their Homeland since 1948 and small Iseral keeps WINNING, do you realy belive you can beat the whole world, if you cannot even beat the Jew's. Please no one want's another world war, do followers of Islam really want Global WAR?? I pray to the Lord Jesus Christ that this will not happen. Because if WAR comes I'm afraid that Islam will wish it never happened, I belive Islam will lose a world CONFLICT, just like Islam loses against the Jews now.
Please give PEACE A GO IT WORKS.
May The Lord Jesus Christ bless you all.
In answer to this post NO Islam is NOT PEACEFULL
This I belive as a ex soldier, this TERRORISM has to stop. I belive if it keep's going the whole World, will STOP IT for you.
I belive NO ONE want's this..................................
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  libby101aposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have to agee with you skipper! I've yet to see one not throw down Jesus and pretty much quote scripture out of context!
  
  If they would stop with the insults then we could talk!! But if you notice I've not been discussing it lately! It gets to me! I've just been writing hubs and focusing on writing because I got tired of listening to his nonsense!
  
  Nothing peaceful about Islamic religion!
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  thank you Libby,
  I can not put out a more peacefull post. I belive paar is peacefull, but paars attacks on my Savior Jesus Christ are far from peacefull, at best they are illinformed, at worst they are straight lies.
  God bless Libby
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  gulnazahmadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No true muslim can ever insult christians or christianity because they believe in christianity as much as they believe in Islam, they believe in Jesus, they believe that Jesus will come to the world again before it ends and all those people who are noble will folllow him but those who will be sinners will be against him and will follow satan.
  
  Muslims only say that Jesus is not God he is a human being and a noble human being. God is only one and he is not a human being but superior to human beings and he created Jesus as he created other human beings.
  
  We are not fighting or saying that Christians are not good or bad, it is just a discussion of faith. Actually YOU are saying that Muslims are not peaceful and Quran has flaws.
  If you are right show any flaw in Quran.........prove it.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  simple look up 'hearsay' and you will find out that the Quran is pure 'HEARSAY" flaw no 1. No insult intended the Quran was formed on 'HEARSAY" if your honest you will see that.just because the Quran has flaws does not mean it is untrue, it just means it was written in a flawed way.
  God bless
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it has been proven many times paar
  look up 'HEARSAY'
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paradigmsearchposted 13 years ago
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"Is Islam a peace loving religion?"

Many of its followers are, but the Islamic religion itself is not.

Islam needs to cleanup it’s currently stated doctrine of violence as Christianity and Judaism did ~500 years.

Only Islam’s peaceful followers can do this, because the Islamic leaders will not do it on their own. This is because the Islamic leaders are still old school and actually still believe that Allah’s answer to everything is the use of subjugating force and violence.

Better late than never…
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paarsurreyposted 13 years ago
Yes, sure Islam is the most rational, peace loving and peace promoting religion.
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  pisean282311posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  there u go again...
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  Rajab Nsubugaposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Very right, Paar!
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Jesus died on the Cross,as a Christian I belive that. Islam cannot accept Jusus as the Son of God.............. so insult Christians by saying Jesus was a prophet of Allah that is NOT TRUE. I accept paar is peacefull BUT Paar keeps telling untruths about Jesus, Jesus died on the Cross PERIOD to state anything else is a pure lie, Allah NEVER saved the son of God PERIOD.
  
  and to gulnaz either you belive in Islam or Christianity you cannot follow both OK belive in one or the other. You cannot belive in Jusus and Allah as the Religions are poles apart, so who do you belive in Jesus (CHRISTIAN) or Alah ( MUSLIM) which one Gulnaz?I would not be bothered to show any flaw in the Quran, ( but I can show reasonable flaws)as you do not know which God you follow Jesus or Allah, you cannot belive and follow BOTH
  
  sorry paar your sect of Islam might be peacefull, but Islam as a whole is not peacefull. Too many terrorists, too many killings, to much bloodshead all in the name of Islam, mainstream Islam wants to convert the whole world to Shira Law, that is undesputable, and mainstream Islam is NOT peacefull Period, no matter what you say my peacefull Muslim.
  God bless paar I will try never to insult Islam if you stop attacking Jesus ok
  
  oh paar Jesus was a Jew, and Allah hated Jews and Christians, so how can a Muslim respect a Jew?
  please paar tell me the answer ok peacefull Muslim
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  how do true Muslims respect Jesus a jew?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Quran not only respects Jesus but also respects hi mother Mary:
  
  [19:17] And relate the story of Mary as mentioned in the Book. When she withdrew from her people to a place to the east,
  [19:18] And screened herself off from them, then We sent Our angel to her, and he appeared to her in the form of a perfect man.
  [19:19] She said, ‘I seek refuge with the Gracious God from thee if indeed thou dost fear Him.’
  [19:20] He replied, ‘I am only a Messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a righteous son.’
  [19:21] She said, ‘How can I have a son when no man has touched me, neither have I been unchaste?’
  [19:22] He replied, ‘Thus it is.’ But says thy Lord, ‘It is easy for Me; and We shall do so that We may make him a Sign unto men, and a mercy from Us, and it is a thing decreed.’
  [19:23] So she conceived him, and withdrew with him to a remote place.
  [19:24] And the pains of childbirth drove her unto the trunk of a palm-tree. She said, ‘O! would that I had died before this and had become a thing quite forgotten!’
  [19:25] Then he called her from beneath her, saying, “Grieve not. Thy Lord has placed a rivulet below thee;
  [19:26] “And shake towards thyself the trunk of the palm-tree; it will cause fresh ripe dates to fall upon thee.
  [19:27] “So eat and drink, and cool thy eye. And if thou seest any man, say, ‘I have vowed a fast to the Gracious God; I will therefore not speak this day to any human being.’”
  [19:28] Then she brought him to her people, carrying him. They said, ‘O Mary, thou hast brought forth a strange thing.
  [19:29] ‘O sister of Aaron, thy father was not a wicked man nor was thy mother an unchaste woman!’
  [19:30] Then she pointed to him. They said, ‘How can we talk to one who is a child in the cradle?’
  
  http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/sh … p;verse=20
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Sab Ohposted 13 years ago
'Islam' can be debated till the cows (not pigs!) come home. The more important point is that most Muslims are peace loving people.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sab Oh I wish I could belive you, I really do. But even paar is a radical zelot, and only attacks Jesus and Christians , all day every day with history according to paar!
  Paar has been asked nicely to stop his insane attacks on Jesus, but he will not, I ask you is this a peacefull Muslim?
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  paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't attack anybody; I only express what i sincerely believe; others could express their difference; I don't mind.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  paar you have been asked not to attack Jesus, not to try and prove the rubish that Jesus died in India ( no other Muslim belives that either) you keep up attacking the Christian Church. That is not being peacefull, you will never convince any Christian or Mainstreem Muslims that Jesud died in India, yet you keep up the attacks, that is not reasonable and only proves you do not want a peacefull chat. I'm sorry paar I could talk peacefully, but you state your views as pure truth and fact, you do not even say it is your view.So yes my 'friend' you do ATTACK Christians and the Christian Church and our Bible, paar you are not a fool, you must see this, now I ask you again if you are truly peacefull, stop your ATTACKS on Jesus, who you only show disrepect to.!!!
  May the Lord Jesus Christ guide you in more PEACEFULL ways.
  I am a Catholic/Christian please just leave my God Jesus alone, no more insults ok Paar!
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This question had to be asked? I think you all just can't resist verbal pugilism. Neither can I. Islam is a peaceful religion....depending on who you ask. As far as I know, Muhammad called for the world to be Islamic. This is the "Struggle" of Islam. Define struggle as "Jihad". They wish to, by willing conversion, or by the sword to convert everyone. Accept Allah, or lose your HEAD. Once this struggle has been acheived, peace will surely reign. If I have mispoken, or misrepresented, such was not my intent. This is what I understand. Should my understanding be in error....speak up!
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Druid as I understsnd you are 100% right. This is why Islam is trying to bring in Sirian law, they only want to obey their laws not our law, as Muhammed said any law that is not Shiran law must be elimated. Islam has peacefull passages in the Quran but the peacefull passages have been 'abrogated' by later more violent passesages, so you are right Islam is only PEACEFULL when the whole world CONVERTS to Islam.
  God help us.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Now let's see if paar will stop his insults, on Jesus.
  Paar you cannot say you love Jesus in the Quran, and heap unproven and unreasonable untruths on Jesus at the same time.
  That is a double standard Paar.
  
  lets see if you really are peacefull ( look up peacefull ) Paar, or you just trying to insult Jesus and Christians, without proof as usual.
  Hope you will answer now Paar , as this post might have got to HARD for you.
  
  Paar just be honest no more double standards, also why are you always trying to prove you are a peacefull Muslim, being peacefull is not attacking or insulting any other person or religion, ok Paar let's see how you behave now??
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Disappearingheadposted 13 years ago
Here's an update on peaceful Islam. A group in Iraq has now declared Christians as legitimate targets and the sword will not be removed from thir necks. So what do they do but take a catholic church congregation hostage.

To all our Islamic friends here, please gives us a verse from Quran that supports this hateful activity.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I could give you 50 from the quoran and another 50 similar ones from the bible! They would all be called as "out of context" by both sets of believers.
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  Disappearingheadposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Go on please Ernest, give us a biblical verse that WASN'T confined to a Hebrew historical event. Give us one that commands the Jews or the church to kill unbelievers that is applicable today.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You want to confine them all to historical events then? Wouldn't that put them "out of context?" I have heard these same convoluted incredulous arguments from both parties for 20 years now, and I'm over it.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  None of it was ever "applicable" any where. It was fear driven abuse.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
What I fail to grasp, is regardless of supposed "context" of biblical content, the screaming loony of a god although apparently omni-bloody-everything, cannot use other than horrific abuse to deal with his own creation.

The biblical entities own words are psychotic.
The entire OT is a full of this supposed god's hate and loathing, cruelty for no reason and apparent terror that he would not be worshiped
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  Amanda Severnposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  I can't fault Christ's teachings. Love thy neighbour, be a Good Samaritan etc. The mystery to me has always been the need to try and absorb and justify the Bible's whole back catalogue. The two things are completely divorced from each other. No wonder there's so much confusion!
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It depends on what part of the bible a religionist chooses to ignore.
  There are many connections throughout the OT to the NT, but the "new book" tries to distance itself from the psychotic god of the OT resulting in so many contradictions that "context" becomes the only defense for christians.
  
  The fact that their "god" could not deal with normal emotions and went in to raging tantrums when people did not kiss his ring is a bit embarrassing for them I guess.
  Somehow they don't see the bloomin obvious.
  
  No god even in the bronze age would be more psychotic than those which he was "lord over" or he would not be a god, he would be a neurotic basket case of a man, like the goat herders who wrote this dribble. Not omni anything, let alone omnipotent!
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Jarnposted 13 years ago
Lord, kindly save me from your followers. And on that note, I find that one's views on religion is alot like one's genitalia. It should not be ousted in public or shoved down other people's throats.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  apt!
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Earnestshub,
  The latest is Islam want's the 'Red Cross' to change the red cross because it offends 'Peacefull Islam' Get used to it Islam your Red cresent offends me, ok we are even.
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  skipper I wouldn't be surprised if the "Islamic" extremists asked all "infidels" to do a double backward somersault through a herd of camels at midnight!
  
  Loonies, the lot of em!
  
  Just as nutty as any other religion who take their tomes as the truth I guess!
  
  Most of the passages in the OT and quoran run the same hateful agenda for example. All worship me or I'll wipe ya out sort of stuff.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  but only on a full moon Earnest
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Have you read both and studied them Skipper?
  
  There is very little difference in the nature of threats in either.
  If I remember correctly the quoran has only a few more or less than the bible has.
  
  Looks like the same old psychotic entity to me.
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  skipper112posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yes I have read both Ernest and I am realist enough to relize that this cannot ever be won by either side, but love trying mate, how is the top end?
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  earnestshubposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Good for you Skipper! I don't care to win or lose, I always hope to discover more.
  
  I haven't been up there for a while Skipper, but as it is coming up to the end of the year, I would say the top end is soon to be flooded or blown away as usual.
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earnestshubposted 13 years ago
This is a sensible response to religion, and christianity in particular. Makes sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7xbWV2KqHM
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