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   ptosisposted 7 years ago

   Fake News, Donnie wasn't 'angered' he was squirming away.
   
   Most news agencies had cut short the video when the yellow haired President harried behind the desk as protection but the video went on: Trump picks up a a small stack of papers on his desk and pretends to read them, pointedly ignoring a journalist who asked him an uncomfortable question.
   
   Found the extended version here of the John Dickerson interview. Go to the 3 minute mark to see.
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bikgLIK9OlU
   
   Brave Donnie ran away.
   Bravely ran away away.
   When query reared it's ugly head,
   He bravely turned his tail and fled.
   Yes, brave Donnie turned about
   And gallantly he chickened out.
   Swiftly taking to his feet,
   He beat a very brave retreat.
   Bravest of the brave, Donnie!

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      Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Mountain out of a mole hill. Again. Not surprised. I don't know that there is any law which states that anyone has to continue in a conversation they don't want to.
      
      But kudos on creating a little ditty about it. Very creative.

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      Don Wposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Generally people who have interviewed Trump, that I've seen, tend to be deferential to a fault. So if he says something stupid, or vague, or just plain wrong they don't challenge him on it enough.
      
      Trump's schtick is to verbally (and in some cases physically) domineer, in order to make himself seem unchallengeable. He gives the impression that he could explode in rage at any minute, which makes interviewers reluctant to push. That allows Trump to hide his ignorance and inability. Essentially it's old fashioned bullying as a defense mechanism. But, as with any bully, as soon as he is challenged in an assertive way, he can't handle it. That type of challenging exposes Trump for the fraud he is.

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         wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         LOL  I would have classified the interviewer that pushes and pushes a topic the interviewee did not wish to discuss as the bully.  Guess it's all in how you look at it - a media interview isn't a back room, single light bulb and 5 cop interrogation, after all!

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            crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Don't you think that's a protocol if you're asking something personal the interviewee doesn't want to answer? However, we're talking about a bald-faced lie with no supporting evidence made by the POTUS. Even if he didn't want to talk about it he could have just said something like "I'd love to show you the evidence, but unfortunately it's classified and I can't."
            
            I mean, how many falsehoods can one person tell before somebody questions them? How much money was spent getting nowhere on Benghazi? Congress felt that Hillary Clinton lied about that issue and they spent a lot of time pushing, didn't they?

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               wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               A bald faced lie when it has come out that his people were tapped?  I don't see it in quite that light.
               
               But in any case, congress (hundreds of "cops" interrogating a suspect) isn't quite the same as a reporter trying to sell more air time.  And someone suspected of a crime isn't quite the same as someone the media wants to prove lied, particularly when we already know he didn't.  Now, if Trump were being questioned about an EO he gave and how it would affect the nation or why he made it, AND media didn't keep on after getting an answer (which they will often do, trying to put their personal spin on an answer) it might be different. 
               
               But that wasn't what it was about - it was all about media trying their best to put a President of the US in the worst possible light, in order to further their personal goals.  And no, there is no reason to spend hours answering the same question over and over in the forlorn hope that nothing he said would be twisted into what it was not.

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                  crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Trump said that Obama had him wire tapped. That's untrue. On what basis do you believe that's true? Can you provide a credible link? Accusing the former president of a direct wiretap that's against the law and should be prosecuted if it's true is very different than Trump's "people" getting caught up in ongoing investigations involving collusion with Russia.
                  
                  Trump also accused Obama for being at fault that he hired Michael Flynn. When does Trump take responsibility for anything? It's kind of shocking how much his reactions resemble those of my son, who's 8, and whom I'm trying to teach the importance of taking responsibility for his actions. Does it matter that the FBI confirmed that his wiretapping claims have no basis in reality? Even Trump himself said "I don't stand by anything".
                  
                  Do you believe Mexico is paying for the wall too?
                  
                  Is climate change a Chinese hoax?
                  
                  http://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/examin … tap-claim/

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                     wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     "...when it has come out that his people were tapped".  And they were, whether "caught up in ongoing investigations involving collusion with Russia" or for some other reason.
                     
                     The bold should say it all.

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                        crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        The claim was that Obama wiretapped Trump tower.

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                           wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Yes, I get it.  It must be exactly what was said - that conversations (from the tower?) were tapped  isn't good enough for you - some reason for denigrating the President must be found.
                           
                           While I'd be the first to say that Trump didn't have it just right, it was close enough for me.  Much like the WMD's in Iraq - they were there, and what wasn't there was eventually found in Syria.  Information is quite often not exactly what it says, but the kernel of truth remains, and it did with Trump.

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                              crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Ok. That's a weird, low standard that, if applied across-the-board to other things, makes it hard to have a conversation about the definition of accuracy, truth, and other such concepts.

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                                 Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Politicians are known for wrapping 15 ounces of lies around an 1 ounce of truth and insisting it is truth; if found out. Just look at the Clintons if you doubt.

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                                    crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    Yes, I get it. Politicians lie. I think if you can't differentiate between what Trump has been doing and what other politicians have done, that's on you. I suppose people may like Trump because his lies are much more straight-forward and direct. I know I definitely hate it when politicians just toss out some statement that sounds sophisticated and is just a bunch of confusing, untrue, junk.

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                                    crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    I'm not sure it's actually lying either. It may just be stupidity or a lack of concern for the value of accuracy and understanding or something entirely more evil. Take Trump's person in charge of contraception programs, Teresa Manning. She actually doesn't believe in the effectiveness of contraception. There seems to be a general belief that it doesn't really matter what you say and that facts don't matter. When facts don't matter (take the removal of climate data from government web sites - it's just data, not hurting anyone), then convincing your supporters of something is a lot easier because their only choice is between believing you and not believing you.

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                              Don Wposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Wilderness you're missing the point.
                              
                              It would be illegal for a president to order surveillance on a US citizen. For any such surveillance to happen, an intelligence agency must obtain a warrant by demonstrating probable cause to a judge. Only then can an agency surveill a US citizen.
                              
                              By saying Obama ordered surveillance on US a citizen, Trump is saying 1) that Obama abused the authority of the office of the president, and 2) he broke the law. Those are extremely serious allegations. The fact that Trump stated it as if it were fact, makes it even more serious.
                              
                              You'll note that Obama's response via his spokesperson speaks to that issue, not the nature of the surveillance, which is irrelevant:
                              
                              "Neither @barackobama nor any WH official under Obama has ever ordered surveillance on any US Citizen. Any suggestion is unequivocally false" (emphasis mine)(1) 
                              
                              In this interview Trump tries to make the same allegation again:
                              
                              ". . . you saw what happened with surveillance, and everybody saw what happened with surveillance".
                              
                              But the interviewer is having none of it. He repeatedly asks Trump to explain what he means, and refuses to let him get away with insinuating Obama broke the law without explicitly saying it.
                              
                              Trump hasn't seen the danger at this point, and continues his insinuation:
                              
                              "I think our side's been proven very strongly, and everybody's talking about it, and frankly it should be discussed".
                              
                              Again the interviewer pushes Trump to explicitly state the allegation.
                              
                              At that point Trump realizes he is in danger of being cornered into making a statement he apparently knows he shouldn't. When he realizes that, he cuts the interview short.
                              
                              Unless Trump provides categorical evidence that Obama personally ordered surveillance on a US citizen, then he has defamed the former president. The fact that he went to great lengths to avoid explicitly repeating the claim in this interview, indicates that he is fully aware of the defamatory nature of the claim.
                              
                              (1) https://t.co/qF04X3NUvq

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                                 wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Then let Obama sue him for slander.
                                 
                                 We're at an impasse here - you insist that the exact wording Trump used wasn't true and therefore he is a criminal.  I disagree, giving some slack, whereupon it is very true.  His people WERE tapped and recorded, which is the meaning if not the exact wording used.

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            Don Wposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            If the interviewer was asking something personal, sure. But when Trump uses an interview to try to reiterate unsubstantiated claims that a former president broke the law. Then has the nerve to say it's been "proven strongly", then it's absolutely in the public interest for the interviewer to push for a clarification of his remarks.
            
            I think that interviewer was incredibly patient. And challenged Trump respectfully, but assertively. I wonder if I would have been able to remain so polite. Doubtful.

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               Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               This comment made a pretty dern good point. I've noticed those often get brushed off when the opposition can't make an equally significant point.
               
               Can we stop calling T-fans imbeciles? Just because they have a hard time grasping stuff like this doesn't necessarily mean they are stupid; and even if they were, it doesn't help to put a spotlight on it. LOTS of stupid sh*t gets done every day by thoroughly educated people. The current state of our government created by BOTH GOP & Dems is a perfect example of that.
               
               Manipulation is a different thing. It means to control or play upon by artful, unfair, or insidious means - especially to one's own advantage. All education brackets fall prey to political & media manipulation every day. Even those who didn't come out to vote were manipulated into NOT VOTING.
               
               And if you're someone who is easily mesmerized by hateful or misogynistic rhetoric, of  COURSE you would vote for someone like Trump. That isn't being stupid, its making a choice to embrace that sparkly 'can't resist' personality while rejecting common sense & decency.
               
               Seeing that you are being manipulated is HARD and Trump is a master manipulator. He always has been. While it is difficult to see how someone can't see that in hindsight (or are too embarrassed to admit it, now) - that doesn't mean they're stupid. People are just focused in their own little world and find it difficult to see the big picture.
               
               Dangit, I just tried to be PC about it, and it doesn't work very well anymore, ha!... Alright, they're stupid.
               
               

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                  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Would you not say that manipulation of people is the primary job of Politicians? 
                  
                  Don't want to wear your seatbelt, for your own good?  I'll fine the heck out of you.
                  
                  Don't want to build a factory in an inner city slum?  I'll give you a tax break.
                  
                  I'll call an ordinary hunting rifle an "assault weapon", scaring you into voting to ban others from having one.
                  
                  Want to enforce the immigration laws?  I'll convince you that all immigrants are children here without their permission and will die a terrible death if sent home with their parents.
                  
                  Trump is no better at the manipulation game than politicians and probably not as good.  But of course when you've been manipulated into thinking he's better at it than anyone in the world, why then he's a master manipulator and to be looked down on because of it...while the real manipulators are encourage to tell you more of the same.

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         Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Trump wants open season suing on what he calls fake news for when they are saying negative tbings about Trump. Not to sue them for the truth about (himself) Trump. It is just for, if they are negative reports about him.

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      Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Nice ditty.
      
      Trump seldom responds to these things in a satisfactory way - so the entire country (with the exception of his minority of supporters) are left hanging, and the issue twirls round and round and round...
      
      What The Donald is missing in this case (and most of his 'cases') is humility. He really doesn't have much patience or handle conflict very well. For being a potus, those are major handicaps (that his non-supporters are worried about).
      
      If, after his enthusiastic 'gotcha moment' tweet about Obama - later, after he could hear the reasoning behind WHY doing that was so wrong (since he couldn't see for himself in the beginning) - he could have apologized or actually found some evidence to complete the accusation. It would all have been over. But, one of the mottos that he obviously lives his life by is, "Never Say Sorry" - cuz apparently he feels that the people who count on him would abandon him if he did so. He must see it as a weakness that absolutely MUST be avoided or he'll lose everything.
      
      A few heartfelt apologies might have helped with some much needed bridge repairs after he won the election.
      
      We all know Trump is easily-swayed by conspiracy theories or whomever is looking him in the eye & talking to him in any given moment - he needs his brain re-washed, LoL!
      
      My new favorite meme. I accidentally stumbled across it while I was researching a completely different subject for an article; and I'm still laughing:
      
      

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   crankaliciousposted 7 years ago

   Sad! He really does talk tough, but when push comes to shove, he turns tail at almost every opportunity. He touted his amazing negotiating skills, but has yet to negotiate anything. In fact, instead of negotiating, he's just been changing his positions. I suppose that's one way to claim a win.
   
   He was elected based on his tough talk and his strength. He's got neither one. He's a thin-skinned wimp.

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   Will Apseposted 7 years ago

   Most professional politicians have the facts at their fingertips, have thought through all the possible lines of questioning and have developed arguments to deal with them.
   
   Mr Trump, sadly, is simply unable to deal with reality.
   
   I'm sure someone rushed in afterwards to remake his happy bubble.

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      wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Not sure that it makes much difference to the man in the street whether the politician knows the facts or not.  They will tell us whatever they want us to hear in order to further their own goals.  Whether fact or not.

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         Will Apseposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         This is the kind of thinking that brings entire cultures to an end.
         
         Poor governance and the greed of the ruling elites gave us the French and Russian Revolutions, not to mention the Syrian war and the situation in North Korea.
         
         If your country is run by imbeciles it will behave in imbecilic and dangerous ways.

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            Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Call me up when the American revolution starts

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            ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            He was voted in by imbeciles. The lead in the water coupled with the worst school system in the industrialized world is truly working wonders.
            
            
            
            

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               Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Voted in by imbeciles? Only an imbecile would attempt to rebut such an asinine remark.

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                  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  George Carlin is my God! Lol.

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                     Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     I like George Carlin but he is simply a comedian.

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                  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  But...but...the pretty picture, showing that he played golf once a week, proves that all Trump voters were imbeciles!  Doesn't it?

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                     Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     OK, as long as we can categorize Hillary voters as liars and cheats; I suppose so.

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                        Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Let's see the difference between Trump & Hillary's scandals - starting with this first image. This alone should have made people stop and think twice; and its SO WRONG that it didn't.
                        
                        
                        
                        Trump scandals make Clinton look good
                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/ … /93009718/
                        
                        Trump’s history of corruption is mind-boggling. So why is Clinton supposedly the corrupt one?
                        https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pl … 27c008082e
                        
                        5 Trump scandals the head of the House Oversight Committee thinks are no big deal
                        https://thinkprogress.org/jason-chaffet … ba25c529c6
                        
                        Meet the nine Russian operatives who have dropped dead during Donald Trump-Russia scandal
                        http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/mee … sier/1613/
                        
                        The Long, Twisted, and Bizarre History of the Trump-Russia Scandal
                        http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 … l-timeline
                        
                        Trump Organization: Corporate Rap Sheet
                        http://corp-research.org/trump-organization
                        
                        Ten Scandals That Should Have Prohibited Donald Trump From Ever Being President
                        https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/Ten-T … -President
                        
                        Donald Trump’s Scandals and Insults: A Scorecard
                        http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/d … -scorecard
                        
                        Comparing presidential administrations by arrests and convictions: A warning for Trump appointees
                        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11 … Appointees
                        
                        The Definitive Roundup of Trump’s Scandals and Business Failures
                        http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4 … es-roundup
                        
                        The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet
                        https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … ls/474726/
                        
                        
                        
                        
                        
                        

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                           GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Misfit Chick, You put a lot of faith in the meme that you think should "say it all." (you have posted it before haven't you?) If it was posted by anyone else I would think they were joking, but since you posted it...
                           
                           Your "penis" meme has been determined to be bogus. If you had checked its source you would have found it originated from: Abcnews.com.co - a real fake news site.
                           
                           Does that matter to you?
                           
                           ps. Snopes.com had this to say: "This story, however, was entirely fabricated. The claim originated from a clickbait fake news site that infringes the trademark-protected visual elements and domain names of legitimate news outlets in order to generate traffic and drive advertising revenues by creating and spreading entirely false “news” stories."
                           
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                              Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Even someone with a minimal IQ could look at that leg and belly and see it isn't Trump. Although, I do think anyone with an ounce of taste would never have posted it.

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                              crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              You know it's fake because Trump would have shown his face.

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                                 Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Excellent point.

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                              Misfit Chickposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              Oh wow, no I obviously did not know that... I stand corrected, and not for the first time. Lets hear you debunk the rest of the links I put up there. How is Hillary's stuff worse than Trump's or her male politician counterparts?

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                                 Live to Learnposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Let me ask you this. Say you have two weaselly people you don't trust. One is entrenched in a system one of them has to run. One has ample connections, has proven they will use them to the detriment of you. The other has no connections, at all, within that system. Like letting a mob boss run the mob, or letting a guy who just joined the mob, with no experience running the mob do it. Who do you think would stand to do the most damage to you during their time in office?

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                                 wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Can't speak for the links, but implying that Trump is a poor business man and can't turn a profit seems a little out of line for someone that turned a couple of million into 4 billion.  Wish I could increase my $1,000 by the same factor - I'd be set for life!

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            wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Really?  Recognition that politicians lie in order to further their own goals leads to an end of the culture?
            
            I would have to disagree, and calling them "imbeciles" (a stupid person, by definition) will not change that.  Indeed, failure to recognize and account for the intelligence of the liars might be what brings the culture to an end!

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   Live to Learnposted 7 years ago

   I think the more interesting observation is the guy didn't correctly answer the question of no corners to hide in, in the office. I found that very strange.

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   Castlepalomaposted 7 years ago

   I rather get to the closest thing to being Godlike than to be lost in space.
   
   When we surround ourselves with politics and religion,  can we not be farther from the truth and beauty?

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   crankaliciousposted 7 years ago

   Here's a nice summary of the 488 misleading or untrue things Trump has said in his first 100 days as President.
   
   https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics … 18d4b98360

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, trump has said 488 misleading and untruth thing in his 100 days. At this pace he will catch up to his 3500 law suits, then break all world records.

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      crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Here's another good link about Trump supporters being misinformed, not uninformed:
      
      https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/tr … ninformed/

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   ptosisposted 7 years ago

   
   
   

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