Religious Hubs why?

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   lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

   I MEANT RELIGIOUS FORUMS  :
   
   My research has hard facts indicating these religious forums are getting out of hand and not used for conversation, as a forum should be, but rather to preach, draw attention, or provoke debate.
   
   Is there any way to find a happy medium?  A forum today stated "I have been saved" "I have been saved by Jesus and will live for eternity".  I am not trying to single out one person but it's right here to be read.  I ask you, how does that benefit others or create interaction with even non-believers yet other hubbers?
   
   Where do we draw the line?  How do we draw the line?  Can a line be drawn?
   
   There is no wrong belief, but I will go worship in private for or to whomever that shall be and what about the non-believers?  Are they not as important?  I don't see Jewish or Moslem forums being created every 40 minutes?
   
   Any suggestions?
   
   I'll be honest, I need to look at what is aggravating me so much about this because little effects me and I am fed up with this situation.  Sorry
   
   Kimberly

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      yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Religionists (AKA zealots) use religious forums to poke a dagger into the hearts of those who don't believe like they do, making others feel weak, inferior, and unworthy of existence. It's a crusader and Spanish Inquisition technique whereas you are beaten down until you submit and believe - or defend yourself and are made to look aloof.
      
      It's the quiet believers who suffer the most, as even they are made to believe they aren't true in those beliefs, which is why such posts offend us.
      
      It would be no different than if someone posted a thread stating hubbers that wrote without learning and properly using SEO tactics were unworthy of being hubbers.
      
      No one minds excluding themselves from a group, but to be designated unworthy makes one feel hurt and angry ... I think this might explain what you are going through.
      
      I just started a thread of my own to counter the ugly with something beautiful ... a thread where we can all give thanks to the hubbers that inspired us the most.

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         lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I know, love that forum ace

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      darksideposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      What did your research consist of? I'm gathering all you needed to do was open up half a dozen threads to come to that conclusion.
      
      Though I think Religious Hubs would be a far more interesting topic of discussion. And by that I mean discussion, not debate.
      
      Do hubs on religion, on any aspect of it, get a lot of search engine traffic? What keywords are people ranking highly for? Is it profitable? Or are they simply created as the hook for the bait (the religious thread in the forum) that will hopefully draw the other community users to dig deeper (or click further) to another website or salvation?

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         mdawson17posted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Darkside each time I read one of your post you make even more logical sense! You are so right when we "The Hubbers" get into a debate in religious forums many times it is for an alternative motive rather than what it is meet for!!!
         
         So many times non believers who may be trying to undersstand God are ran off from the beleif due to forum threads and posts!
         
         To me it is ok that others do not believe they must walk their walk and I must walk mine! Debating God never resolves anything it is like debating politics we can voice our thoughts however we are powerless to the end results!!!

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      rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Kimberly, I think what you said at the end of your post is your own answer.  for many people, religion is their life, their belief. as much as some of these threads get out of hand and start attacking each other, that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to express their views.  I wander in every now and then, but my suggestion would be not to read the threads at all and they won't bother you any longer!
      
      and believe me, they have provoked me also, but then I remember, I'm the one who chose to open up the post and read it.

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      lynnechandlerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      There is no wrong belief, but I will go worship in private for or to whomever that shall be and what about the non-believers?  Are they not as important?  I don't see Jewish or Moslem forums being created every 40 minutes?
      
      This is the part of your thread that strikes me. You only see one side or the other side but not any of the multitudes of other sects out there really chiming in here or starting their own threads.
      
      Darkside made a comment about what kind of benefits they might get from creating a hub about their religion and I think that is an interesting topic. And one I am going to have to look into as to keywords etc to see how profitable it might be to write about certain religions.
      
      I thought this would digenerate rapidly. I had gathered my popcorn and soda to watch the show. I am happy to see an actual discussion instead of the back biting remarks that usually accompany a religious thread.
      
      Well done everyone!

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         skristoffposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Since the vast majority of Americans consider themselves Christians of some flavor, I'd guess that the rough population of Hubpages, and therefore individual Hubs and forum threads/posts, follows that same proportion.
         
         Religion is a difficult topic for a lot of people to debate.  Devout believers (of any faith) cannot and will not budge from their beliefs.  Unbelievers mock those who prostrate themselves to a deity.  People who are searching for faith are turned off by both of these groups. 
         
         The internet is also full of people who hide behind their anonymity and get a rise out of trolling people who are willing to feed their flames.

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         Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Most haven't found it because this is not in the religion forum

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         lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I agree and everyone is stating their opinions with compassion and being polite.  It is refreshing in this type of forum.  I am  as guilty as the next for arguing, so I tonight am learning myself also  as to what these forums can be made of.  I had never seen this before.

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            lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Oh, minus a few I just read - disappointing.

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               rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               but look at those that disappoint you and ask yourself why.
               because you don't agree with it? because it was said a certain way? if you truly want to understand, you have to look at what triggers your 'disappointment'.

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                  lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Why do you feel such a need to arrogantly tell me what I should be doing when I ask or tell nothing to you except this post.  You need to look at yourself first then let fate be what it may.  Don't dare to tell me again anything I should or should not be doing.  I take great offense to hypocrites and frankly disregard the lack of intuition in their psyche.

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                     rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     ??? you started a thread asking for suggestions and help. I am in no way being arrogant... just because there is not a smiley face? wow. I'm trying to help. I thought that was what this thread is about. only if it is said a certain way?

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            yoshi97posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            Belief and passion are two sides of the same coin ... you can't have strong belief without a lot of passion, and passion is the catalyst that changes debate into arguments.
            
            Choose one topic you feel very strongly about then imagine someone in your mind telling you everything you believe about it is wrong. Makes ya mad, right? That's what passion adds to belief.
            
            Only a highly objective believer of anything can remain calm as his or her beliefs are being flounced by others - but it is that person who earns my respect, as they shown the ability to communicate properly and are quite possibly capable of reshaping my beliefs.

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      EYEAM4ANARCHYposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Stay out of the religion forum. Draw your line right there.

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   lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

   New question how can I fix this title - bit of a loser sometimes, I can accept that FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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   h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

   Hi Kimberly,
   
      Ideas and ideals seem to be very sensitive matters to debate or share passionately without being abrasive to someone. I have my sore spots too.
   
      Maybe the thread was to attract other like minded people to meet up with?
   
     Personally I like recipes (interchange hubs), but I despise recipes on cooked spinach so I will never go there Maybe while they are so agitating to you, avoiding them is good.
   
      Wanted to let you know I have been reading and enjoying your hubs. Holly

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   Jonathan Jancoposted 14 years ago

   Even debate is nothing really harmful. Debate is an intellectual interaction, not an excuse to lash out and make personal attacks on people, let alone bait people into attacking you so you can retaliate. Some people are just brainwashed into fomenting conflict because that's what the inter-dimensional, shape-shifting reptilian aliens feed off of (thank you David Icke:)).

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   Dark knight ridesposted 14 years ago

   Debate is a positive way to bring issues into the open and examine them on their merits. I respect those whose beliefs are strong enough that they feel the need to share it with others. Think about it, can you imagine what it would be like to feel your beliefs that strongly? If you felt that you had the truth, wouldn't you want to run screaming it from the rooftops? To share it with everyone so they could hear it too?
   
   Just because they may be wrong is no reason for them to hold back, is it? There's a guy at the college I go to, I see him every few weeks, and he's out in the square, preaching his beliefs to anyone who'll listen. And inevitably there is a crowd of students around him, taunting him and yelling. But he's there and every once in a while, some student will come out and ask a question, and he's willing to open the dialogue from there. That's strength. And to do it here, where half the people who come along will ridicule you and demean you. You have to be brave to do that.
   
   My problem with these forums is that there is little real debate that doesn't degenerate into childish name calling and insults. I suspect it's because many people are either ashamed of their own inability to formulate an argument, or they just have so little respect, for others or themselves, that they can't be bothered to really open their minds to a discussion.

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   skristoffposted 14 years ago

   The problem with a forum on religion is that many people have religious beliefs that are absolutes, and leave no room for debate. Some Christians say "Jesus IS the son of God" rather than saying "I believe Jesus is the son of God", even if the second answer is just as true as the first.  People who are not Christians are more offended by the first statement, because it's not true in their belief system, but they can accept the second statement because it infers that the speaker understands that not everyone shares their beliefs.

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   TMinutposted 14 years ago

   I always go to the religious forums because my spiritual life and understanding are of major importance to me. These are the things I want to discuss and read about. People come in and ridicule anyone who believes and then blames the believers for causing trouble. Quite annoying.
   
   Then I see the religious ones fighting too. Still, sometimes people ignore most of the thread and comment on what it's really about, discuss things, it's okay sometimes.

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   sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

   I have seen this situation arise and I have a completely different view point. It isn't the religious that behave badly it's the non-believers attacks on the religious that are completely outreagious and insulting. The majority of the religious quote scripture to defend their beliefs and face a barage of attacks.
   
   I personally won't put up with it and will give an attacker a dose of their own medicine. The whole while the non-believers will be telling the believers that if you really believed you would not fight back. The non-believers accuse the belivers of passing judgement or casting them to hell and that is not the case. I personally don't believe that and I haven't heard anyone make that reference to a non-believer.
   
   Believers have a set of morals that they hold to be true. The non-believers and liberals don't want to be held to a set of morals. They subscribe to the,"if it feels good, do it" philosophy and do not want to be reminded that thats not always appropriate. If a religionist says that's not right then the non-believer automatically takes that as acting superior.
   
   If you are offended by religion don't bother the religious and you won't get your feelings hurt. Staying away will also keep your consious from judging your own actions. That way you won't displace your anger over your own guilt on to the believers. If you want to be respectful then please join in but if you want a fight do everybody a favor and take it some place else.

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      Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      In other words, if you disagree, stay away, we only want those who agree with us.
      
      I see as many attacks from Christians on here as those non-believers who attack Christians. Neither side is above reproach or totally innocent.
      
      And I wish you would stop painting ever single person who does not believe in God with the same brush. You have no idea how these people live their lives...

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         sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Well if you stand for something immoral then the shoe fits if you don't ignore the comment. When we discuss positions in this or any forum we speak in generalities it isn't possible to adress each individual as such because I don't know everyones motivation. So again I say if the shoe fits.

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         skristoffposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I'd rather have a forum full of people who disagreed but did it in a respectful way.

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            Uninvited Writerposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I would too, it seems almost impossible with a small minority.

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   rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago

   there is usually something to learn about ourselves in what we allow to provoke us.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 14 years ago

    Sorry, hope I didn't add to the conflict by replying. The debate has been refreshing for the most part.

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    sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago

    No woe is me, no victims.

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    lynnechandlerposted 14 years ago

    I am curious though as to one thing that Sneak said: "That way you won't displace your anger over your own guilt on to the believers."
    
    I personally have my own beliefs and choose to walk a different path, what is it exactly that I am supposed to be angered by enough to make me feel guilty for not walking in the believers footsteps?
    
    I don't think the anger that most of us feel is about belief or non-belief but how the forums degenerate into an abusive attack by everyone. It disheartens those who would generally like to discuss the topic when we have to wade through all the sludge to get to any good content.
    
    Of course that is my opinion and I could be way off base.

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    We read attacks and debates in religious forums, yet state "stay away" and you won't be bothered.  And continue to participate in frustration and not "stay away".
    
    I think all people want to be heard, but the visitors to religious forums I never see state their own beliefs.
    
    This is because it is personal and of no means to press onto others.
    
    Can everyone not be the same and respect the subject matter?
    
    Debating religion or politics is only a means to no end.  No one is dumb here, we all know that.
    
    But even me, now, am stating yet another post or opinion without the need to tell you my beliefs or non-beliefs.  For the sake of using my keyboard?  :

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    Pr0metheusposted 14 years ago

    Religion is for noobs

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    lynnechandlerposted 14 years ago

    **sigh**

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    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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    lynnechandlerposted 14 years ago

    LOL, oh well I think I'm off to bed. Will check back laters on this one.

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       lyricsingrayposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       sleep well and sleep in - it's always the best on Monday Mornings nite nite

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