Healing Hands of Jesus

1. 68

   writerjayposted 14 years ago

   I just came from SALT on the Street, a ministry for the homeless. Food, clothing, information about services, and tons of love is given out to all who come. Tonight, I saw the healing hands of Jesus at work in the lives of some who are weak and on the verge of giving up.
   
   Tonight I saw the Healing hands of Jesus remove the pain from a young man's back, and take the pain out of an old man's neck. Tonight I saw a crowd of folks who normally are talking, and sometimes shouting sit, and listen intently about the healing hands of Jesus, and the eternal love of Christ. Tonight I saw a softness come over the face of hardened men of the street. God is reaching the sin sick soul, He's stirring up the yearnings of fulfillment to those who have thought themselves to be empty of emotions. Praise you LORD!!!

   replyreport
   1. 0

      SirDentposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Awesome

      replyreport
   2. 58

      Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Wow. I nearly puked a little at this one.
      
      I see Jesus gets the credit for the healing. Does he also get the credit for the young man who dies age 12 of leukemia?
      
      Talk to Mikel - he knows what Jesus would think and say. ....  (or at least he thinks he does lololol).
      
      I see you are here solely to spread the word of the Lord. You are going to find a fair amount of us are sick and tired of people whose sole purpose in joining the site is to do this and generally we will point out the obvious fact that your invisible super being is a figment of your imagination. 

      replyreport
      1. 0

         hamstersmessiahposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         see my new forum topic "New Requirement for Posting Religious Topics" for my proposal.

         replyreport
      2. 49

         nhoenigesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I would say we as humans get the credit for killing the 12 year old.
         In case you missed it, we are the ones who sinned not God! aka Jesus if you wanna stay biblical, and therefore God has nothing to do with that child dying.

         replyreport
         1. 70

            getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            
            
            Too bad that God is so irresponsible that he passes his responsiblities on to us-his mere creation. What a childish bumbling idiot of a god.

            replyreport
            1. 60

               Alya roseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               couldn't agree more.

               replyreport
      3. 60

         Davidsonofjesieposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         wow mark you really hate GOD,you should hate electricity,mircowaves,cell phones,perservatives and lots of other stuff man made that causes cancer

         replyreport
   3. 70

      getitriteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      
      
      JESUS IS DEAD.
      GET OVER IT!

      replyreport
   4. 61

      Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Believe nothing on the faith of traditions,
      even though they have been held in honor
      for many generations and in diverse places.
      Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it.
      Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past.
      Do not believe what you yourself have imagined,
      persuading yourself that a God inspires you.
      Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests.
      After examination, believe what you yourself have tested
      and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.

      replyreport
   5. 60

      AndersVilhelmposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I am a healer, and have studied the different levels of potential in receiving the light of healing. When I let the light of the highest spirit flow through my body and to the person asking for healing I see thousands of ways to receive the healing.
      It is always about how much the human body is prepared.
      Thank You
      Anders SAV Jacobsson

      replyreport
      1. 58

         Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         $T$h$o$u$s$a$n$d$s$
         
         

         replyreport
   6. 61

      PrayerWarrior101posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you for sharing, Blessings!

      replyreport
   7. 60

      nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Cool : )

      replyreport
   8. 61

      qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Hey:
      Where are these healing hands of jesus?
      ya got'em in a jar a formaldehyde?
      Are ya not wantin' to share em?
      c'mon bro, bring'em out. lets have'a look at 'em.
      How do ya use 'em?
      Do ya hold one to yer forehead and yell "heal brother, HEAL?"...and hope ta hell it works?

      replyreport
2. 68

   writerjayposted 14 years ago

   Thank you SirDent!

   replyreport
3. 74

   Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years ago

   You sure it was that Jesus guy and not God...God's hands are bigger than Jesus'...
   God's love is greater too...
   
   Without Jesus we still have God, without God, Jesus is irrelevant.
   God is the Greater...God is the one that counts.
   
   ...My Humble Opinion...(and I think Jesus would agree with me)

   replyreport
   1. 85

      donotfearposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Well basic Christianity teaches that Jesus IS God.

      replyreport
      1. 74

         Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         If the name most used is Jesus it is about Jesus.
         
         again, my humble opinion.

         replyreport
   2. 49

      nhoenigesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Your humble opinion needs fixed. Jesus says over and over again that he is God. So trust me he wouldn't agree, if we are basing this off the bible, which is our only written documents on Jesus, That are credible.

      replyreport
      1. 63

         AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         What is your basis for deciding they are credible

         replyreport
      2. 74

         Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Jesus says it, or a Roman Senator says Jesus said it?
         
         
         Got Proof?
         
         The Bibles aren't proof, The Bibles are just a list of things people say that someone else said. Some call that heresay, or gossip, rumors.

         replyreport
   3. 0

      Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      wow Mikel, i never heard you speak like this.
      
      but i must instruct, Y`shua IS god -in that he is the totality of the expression of the fullness of all. The Word framed the worlds.

      replyreport
4. 60

   Timothy Donnellyposted 14 years ago

   Sounds like a great ministry.
   I hope all the efforts prove effective, in that the benefactors remember the source of these blessings are from the love of God, and the following of his commandment to love one another (aka The Golden Rule).
   I also hope the venue, organizers, and workers are all volunteers, not people in it for filthy lucre. If so, it would truly demonstrate the love of fellow man.
   Good Tidings nevertheless. It is wonderful that you witnessed this generosity, and ascribe this to the providence of the Lord, and to the healing Hand of Jesus.

   replyreport
5. 79

   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   For hundreds of years we have had to put up with this psycho-somatic bulldust!
   No proof have you? Just assumptions. Show me the Xrays I say! Before and after. Thousands of these "miracles" proof of none. No not one!  Not ever. I help street people through an organisation too, but we don't tell them lies, or hoodwink them!

   replyreport
   1. 0

      hamstersmessiahposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      actually there are psychic healers... Jesus himself learned the skill in his travels in China and India.   you can read about it in The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ by Levi S. Dowling.  all humans have the innate power to heal themselves. it's just not fully developed in the vast majority.  healers are just facilitators of this innate ability.  it wasn't Jesus' Healing Hands but the person's faith that they were being healed that healed them.  if you read the KJV, Jesus himself said to the woman who had an issue of blood: "your faith has made you whole" when she was healed.  he never took the credit and true healers don't.

      replyreport
      1. 0

         cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         (nods) i am a big believer in the healing power of the mind. modern medicine is also taking seriously spiritual and emotional factors when treating cancer patients and accept that the mind plays a big role.
         
         however i don't think people get miraculously healed by these tent preachers, but it makes those who witness these events feel good so who am i to judge.

         replyreport
      2. 63

         AdsenseStrategiesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry hamstersmessiah, but that is not a good criterion for deciding if a healer is "true" or not. I could be a crook and still claim it wasn't me but God doing the "healing." What would I care, long as I got the money / status / accolades / ego-boost or what-have-you

         replyreport
         1. 0

            hamstersmessiahposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            what i meant was that the healer ascribes the act of healing to the person who received the gift's faith in themselves, the healed.  not a higher power.  you missed my point.  "your faith has made you whole" meant Jesus gave credit to the woman for her miracle of healing imho.

            replyreport
      3. 79

         2besureposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Jesus never went to China or India.

         replyreport
         1. 70

            Cagsilposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            And where do you think he was for first 30 years of his life?
            
            You don't think he traveled?

            replyreport
            1. 0

               Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               he was obedient to his earthly parents.
               oddly at the wedding feast prior to his 'coming out', his mother actually encourages him to turn the water into wine. According to traditional Hebrew custom, unless he was married, he was to live with his parents and foster the knowledge of the scriptures.
               
               why do non Hebrews and non believers think they know better history than we do? It's annoying. Take a year and study Hebrew law, custom, life, then start barking things about Y`shua and his ways or the law or covenant.

               replyreport
               1. 79

                  earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Despite all your crowing, he probably did not even exist! You offer that others should read, but do so very selectively yourself it seems!

                  replyreport
                  1. 0

                     Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     I have studied. So why don't all the rest.
                     Every single shred of fundamental belief of most religions -even sciences- are based on Hebrew history, culture, laws, practices and even their assumptions.
                     
                     If people on both sides would get out of the bible belt-it-out, they just might, emphasize might, realize something great -or not.

                     replyreport
                  2. 61

                     qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Earn:
                     
                     A quick "sidebar" chat.
                     For one who proclaims to be educated and a "writer," have you ever been witness to such terrible syntax, innability to express in writing, such bigotry in expression, such narrowmindedness in reponse and arrogance based upon abject ignorance as that of the fellow, I won't mention a name, you are "hubbing" with?
                     I had to hit the "ignore" button in his case.
                     I know I'm mean and judgemental...but golly, gee whiz, there's just so much BS a man can handle...:-)

                     replyreport
                     1. 79

                        earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Spot on! I tried to explain that he had not written anything but badly structured babble, but he is right about it all, cos he calls his god by a "special" name. That makes him immediately smarter, better educated and more capable than we mere mortals!

                        replyreport
                        1. 61

                           qwarkposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           Earn:
                           "sidebar" is finished..back to your seat counselor.
                           I've considered your comment and will overrule any objection henceforth...:-)

                           replyreport
                           1. 79

                              earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Thank you!

                              replyreport
                           2. 61

                              Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              What are you stirring up today, qwark?
                              Is this worthy of my attention and/or visit?  Ha-ha!

                              replyreport
                              1. 79

                                 earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 It will be if we can train he who remains nameless to read all the posts!

                                 replyreport
                                 1. 61

                                    Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Are you speaking about the fool that has claimed to "have studied"...?  LOL!

                                    replyreport
                                    1. 79

                                       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                       He has studied everything, knows everything but is apparently stuck on a god who is not religious!

                                       report
                  3. 68

                     Elefanzaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                     Regardless of bad grammar, or where Jesus spent the early years of his youth, the question is this: Did Jesus exist and if so, how can we know?
                     
                     I'll imagine for the sake of time and space that critics don't assume that the New Testament is a historically valid document. Yet if other documents that came from a non-Christian angle matched up with the description of Jesus in the New Testament, then perhaps there might be more reason for establishing the credibility of his existence. Here follows a list of some ancient secular writers who were very anti-Christian that could be looked at as establishing the historicity of the man called Jesus.
                     
                     Cornelius Tacitus, Roman historian, Governor of Asia:  "Christus, the founder of the name, was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurater of Judea in the region of Tiberius..." (Chron ii 30.6)
                     
                     Lucian of Samosata, satirist, second century: "the man who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced this new cult into the world....Furthermore, their first lawgiver persuaded them that they were all brothers of one another after they have transgressed once for all by denying the Greek gods and by worshipping that crucified sophist himself and living under his laws (The Passing Pergrinus)
                     
                     Flavius Josephus, historian, second century: Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man...He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved Him at the first did not forsake him:..." (Antiquities)
                     
                     In the British Museum lies an old manuscript that preserves the text of a letter to his son which encourages his son to pursue wisdom and then states that that those who persecuted wise men were overtaken by misfortune. He cites Socrates, Pythagoras and Christ.
                     
                     There are also references from rabbis referring to the Jesus of Nazareth as described by the Old Testament which I will leave out as this comment is far too long.
                     
                     I'm not sure what process you have for determining the historicity of someone, but there is a much greater body of evidence that can be established through tests and reason that prove Christ's existence if you're interested to know. Also, quick note about the earlier post, Did Jesus refer/believe himself to be God and how do you know? In John 10, you will see his constant repetition of the small phrase "I am". For a Jewish person, this was synonymous with claiming Deity as God identified himself as "I am" in Exodus. You can see this identification more clearly in John 10:33 when the Jews pick up stones to stone him because, "you, a mere man, claim to be God."  That's just one of several examples though.
                     
                     Hope that gives you food for thought at least!

                     replyreport
                     1. 61

                        Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        Yeah, I ate the "food for thought" and it gave me "indigestion" in a spiritual sense.  All this biblical hogwash makes me yearn for planetary destruction.  We are overrun with enough retards, but thanks for your input.  Ha-ha!

                        replyreport
                        1. 0

                           Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           wow, again, once offer proof, people reject it.
                           how ironic.
                           at least science would consider it and test it.
                           
                           'the lack of courage causes flaws in conviction and the increase of passions far exceeding necessity, as it were. Folly is mans pillow, his thoughts a casket of ambiguity. For its sake alone -being itself- denies even its maker peace.'

                           replyreport
                     2. 79

                        earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                        I have read your post, and stand by what I said.

                        replyreport
                        1. 68

                           Elefanzaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm curious to know your rationale if you care to explain.

                           replyreport
                           1. 79

                              earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                              Simple really, I have seen and read much material on both sides of this, and you may have too.
                              I would contend that like the other religionists who have offered any "proof" of the jesus you speak of, the only supposed evidence comes from a bias of religion from a religious organisation. Every scientist/religionist who assists with providing proof has a religious history and usually a pious one at that.

                              replyreport
                              1. 0

                                 Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 well, isn't that special...
                                 
                                 finally you see 'the light'. science & religion are the same.
                                 bravo Earnest, bravo.
                                 
                                 though -you appear knowing in mechanics, btw, awesome hubs about it, -you yourself are an ex-preacher/theist/religionista; so like any ex-politician, saving face is the goal...
                                 
                                 ...that is what makes me 'nervous'. jeje
                                 
                                 {insert flower icon here}

                                 replyreport
                              2. 68

                                 Elefanzaposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                 Just because information comes from a religious organization doesn't mean it is incorrect.  It may not be the case that these people came to the conclusions that they did because they are religious, but rather that they are religious because they came to the conclusions that they did.  Even the most biased person can still be correct.  If you want to refute someone's claim, you have to attack the claim, not the person himself, as attacking the person proves nothing.

                                 replyreport
                                 1. 79

                                    earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                                    Looks like a duck....

                                    replyreport
         2. 60

            nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

            When he was alive he probably did go to China, etc. Spreading his compassion world wide.
            
            God loves us all. Just like the people in your life care about you as well.
            
            He also morns for those who are hurting or etc. He is also proud of those who helps him encourage those, as well. He calls them "Fishers of men". I for one am a believer. For those who believes in him and prays to him with their challenges and thanks him for all he has given us. If you have concerns about God you may want to discuss them with a trusted family pastor. As well as you family. God only wants the best for us. He fought for our sole against Satan,.
            Smilez to all.

            replyreport
            1. 79

               earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               So he should have. It was his making!

               replyreport
               1. 60

                  nikki1posted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  Not really.

                  replyreport
   2. 0

      JeanMeriamposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I knew you guys were old, but that old? Wow

      replyreport
6. 79

   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   I know and understand the mind and body can relate in ways of healing, and it is no miracle healer or any pissant god doing it, as you say it is belief. It could be belief in a dog turd, same result. By the way, the back pain will be back. Religious healing is not permanent as the sub-conscious is not so gullible as the conscious mind! The condition returns due to the belief dropping away.

   replyreport
   1. 0

      hamstersmessiahposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      yes but that is the problem with our under-developed power for self-healing.  in our evolvement, diseases of deformity and imbalance will fall away as we develop the ability to sellfheal much as we have an immune system that fights off infection.

      replyreport
7. 79

   earnestshubposted 14 years ago

   I find the mind to be the key here. We know and have stacks of empirical evidence for massive mental capacity in the sub-conscious pouring in from studies of autistic creatives and well documented studies conducted by Jung that confirmed mental capacity vastly ahead of conscious intelligence as we know it in mind medicine today.
   The cell that causes death of cells is about to meet the research carried out on a 17 year old American girl with  physical age of 3, it is all happening right now, and it is exciting as all hell to a curious mind!

   replyreport
   1. 0

      hamstersmessiahposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      it's more than that...  a starfish can be cut in half or even six or seven pieces and reproduce exact copies of itself..  imagine if the human capability extends to the point where we can regrow a limb or organ just by sheer will.  it is possible and not precluded by science.

      replyreport
8. 67

   Sunshiney31posted 14 years ago

   Thank you writerjay for sharing God's love with the people around you,and for holding onto your faith.Love is a powerful thing .I know first hand how it can bring healing to the hopeless.If only everyone could be as open minded as you are...

   replyreport
9. 61

   h.a.borcichposted 14 years ago

   Praise God - people need healing, help and Jesus!
   
     Especially those who go out of their way to mock.

   replyreport
10. 58

    Beelzedadposted 14 years ago

    It was Lois Rose who spent 25 years investigating hundreds of faith-healing cures and never found one.
    
    "I have been unsuccessful. After nearly twenty years of work I have yet to find one 'miracle cure'; and without that (or, alternatively, massive statistics which others must provide) I cannot be convinced of the efficacy of what is commonly termed faith healing."
    
    It's all very confusing when someone gets cured of something and others don't. Does Jesus roll the dice on these cases? How does it work?

    replyreport
11. 79

    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Healing hands huh ? I need some healing for some humans living in asylum/disability home. Any idea how can those hands will help ?

    replyreport
12. 79

    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    I do not believe in healers other than self healers. When I got lyposarcoma cancer it produced an enormous lump on my back before 4 biopsies found any malignancy.
    After 4 incisional byopsies no cancer was discovered.
    
    On the advice of a doctor at a major hospital I went to see a Chinese doctor who performed a process that involved him putting his energy into the area of the lump. He appeared exhausted after the treatment, he had been recommended by a highly qualified doctor so I believed it may help.
    
    he said he could do no more, that he felt it was cancer and I should have surgery if it was offered.
    
    The next day the lump was visibly reduced in size! I admit to being shocked by this, as were my wife, kids and friends who had seen it before and after. I thought that was pretty amazing.
    I then got the call from the specialist explaining I would need to have the lump removed
    The tiny gold thread which is the indicator of Lyposarcoma was found in a sectioned biopsy performed on removal.
    Note:
    (I had attempted the removal by a surgeon in between these events. He left the lump in and stitched me up again after 4 hours of trying to get it untangled from around my spinal chord.
    He was exhausted and I was feeling very ill and my skin was grey from too many needles, as he had to keep injecting Novocaine as the problems got bigger and bigger.
    
    The look on his face when he told me he could not remove it I took to be a death sentence, and a quick one at that! The poor fellow was visibly distressed.
    
    Long story short, I am still here after the operations.
    
    As for the "magic medicine" that reduced the size of what proved to be a malignant tumour I have only photographic proof of the size reduction from the Chinese "che" medicine but I do believe my eyes.
    Photo's can be altered, so I do not offer them as any proof.
    
    The only explanation that seems logical to me is that my mind stepped up to the plate and "received" the apparently highly regarded Chinese medicine man's belief.

    replyreport
    1. 61

       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       In my practice we do what is called Metta meditation which is the transference of energy. There have been scientific studies that have shown this to be possible.

       replyreport
       1. 58

          Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Could I see those studies? Thanks.

          replyreport
          1. 61

             Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Sure. They are available to anyone. Google it. I will not do your work for you. I have nothing to prove to you. If you want to know then do your own leg work. It's there.

             replyreport
             1. 58

                Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Didn't find the studies you claimed existed, but did find plenty of sites explaining how to do Metta Meditation. The "energy" flow thing looks like a bunch of new age baloney. Repetition of words and phrases; affirmations. Might explain why there wasn't any studies.

                replyreport
                1. 61

                   Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   New Age baloney? it's over 2500 years old. New age.......

                   replyreport
                   1. 58

                      Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                      Could be, but the "energy" flow thing is similar to the new age baloney you can find anywhere. Of course, no one can explain what they're talking about, but they're sure it flows.
                      
                      Something sure is flowing, though.

                      replyreport
    2. 0

       china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I am in China and my everyday doctoring is Chinese medicine, always offered as an and/or western stuff choice. The prescription can be anything from half a gallon of the most bitter herbal stuff that is almost impossible to swallow, to massage, or other seemingly strange practices.
       
       My slightly cynical mind says that the cures that come without pills or cutting are b*****t    and yet it always works.

       replyreport
13. 79

    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    That interests me. I have tried many forms of healing, and have first hand experience of results too, even though I do not understand the process other than to assume a connection being made with my/the patients sub-conscious mind and his illness somehow.
    I could be scientifically convinced of some of them coming from other forms of exchange, but having a long term friend who believes in a Japanese form of healing called Mahakari. (spelling?) I have a lot of observed phenomena, such as my friend and his fellow believers breaking out in huge boils on their bodies apparently the "bad stuff" comes to the surface as a boil to dispel it from the body!This is created with special hand movements like pushing the hands forward and holding the hand over the area as with Chinese doctors. My friend chants strongly while he heals. His healing had no effect on me at all.
    Very interesting subject.

    replyreport
    1. 61

       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       It is very interesting to me also. I do believe this to be possible. I have no understanding of how it works except to think it is some kind of energy transference through deep concentration. Maybe the person trying to receive the energy has to be somehow open to it and maybe it is easier for certain people to transfer energy and receive it. Of course you notice that I say maybe.

       replyreport
14. 79

    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Maybe is as close as I can get too. I am very interested in the mind, as it seems to be able to produce a helluva lot of things that don't enter consciousness.
    For example I spent some tears years ( I will leave the subconscious truth or Freudian slip typo in for your amusement!)in psychotherapy with a top Jungian.
    After establishing my broad archetypical beliefs, symbols and their source in my history we moved to dream therapy for three years.
    
    I learnt to wake without assistance at exactly 3pm, (the time we discovered when my dreams were richest and write down my dreams verbatim without totally leaving sleep, or when partly awake, which keeps the integrity of the dream whole, without the conscious censorship!
    I was told never to attempt to analyse my dreams until I had a lot of experience and then to just ask myself, "I wonder what that meant" then forget about it. The subconscious then goes to work putting the dream together. I think it works.
    I saw that almost all that I was doing in my life was not deeply thought out by my intelligence, but just a series of reactions to events, (some quite minor) that were driven by fear and a need to know! By the way at this time my business was booming and I had plenty of time as well, I did not go in to therapy to become happy, I decided to learn about myself.
    
    These days I try to go to that stuff in myself and deal with it by allowing it the space to come in to my conscious mind in the ways where I am best suited to receive it.
    It means questioning what I believe and do all the time, but I have learnt to wait. The answer usually comes if I leave it alone consciously.
    I find my conscious awareness to be so unreliable I wind up behaving like one of those human being things!

    replyreport
    1. 61

       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       This is like vipassana meditation. This is where I can note thoughts and feelings. It reveals the habitual patterns of thinking that I have and once so identified I can work on these thinking patterns to better myslf.

       replyreport
15. 61

    qwarkposted 14 years ago

    I believe in the power of "BULLSHIT" as it is expressed by Penn and Teller!  Amen and amen!

    replyreport
    1. 79

       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Ah yes, much talent, very funny.

       replyreport
16. 65

    Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago

    Hi Writerjay! Thank you for your testimony and sharing your experiences with us.

    replyreport
17. 74

    cheaptrickposted 14 years ago

    THIS THREAD!LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>............
    By By!

    replyreport
18. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    Germs and viruses were also considered new age boloney at one time

    replyreport
    1. 58

       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Could be, but germs and viruses are real, unlike the studies of "energy" flow.

       replyreport
19. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    You didn't even look. I just threw a shot int the dark.
    
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_app … meditation

    replyreport
    1. 58

       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Wiki is not a study, it's a place where anyone can provide content.
       
       You said "scientific studies" - where are they?

       replyreport
    2. 61

       Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Just do some research. I didn't say I could prove anything. Read up. Here is a link with more links to more links. Enjoy. Don't discount without investigating just like don't believe because someone else says it.

       replyreport
       1. 58

          Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Yeah, I looked, no scientific studies, nada, ziltch. I could find nothing but sites on how-to repeat loving-kindness words and phrases over and over. That's it.

          replyreport
       2. 0

          china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          You are wasting your time with this one Hokey, you can smell his karma sizzling from the short-circuit of his energy flows

          replyreport
          1. 74

             Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             He is one of those people that would have called the scientists research, that discovered and proved viruses and germs existed, stupid new age baloney because no one before these scientists had ever proven it.
             
             For this guy, since it wasn't well documented into dim history, obviously these scientists are wrong...
             
             But for the record, I don't believe in the 'preachers' that perform these 'faith healings' I believe them to be charlatans. If there was something to it, Doctors would be studying it to find a way to duplicate it everytime and these practices would be included in medical journals.
             The energy flows of meditation and some types of massage however, are not the same thing as the 'faith healers'

             replyreport
             1. 61

                Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                SOOOO TRUE!!!   

                replyreport
20. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/ch1.htm

    replyreport
    1. 58

       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for the link, but it wasn't very helpful and didn't really explain anything about "energy" flow or Metta Meditation. Seems really outdated, too.
       
       I noticed the link at the bottom of the page that lead me to the Insitute of Noetic Sciencse, and then found this after looking up that institute:
       
       "Stephen Barrett, organizer of the nonprofit organization Quackwatch, whose website describes itself as a "Guide to Quackery, Health Fraud, and Intelligent Decisions," has stated that he views the Institute of Noetic Sciences "with considerable distrust."
       
       New age quackery?

       replyreport
       1. 61

          Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          He distrusts someone else but yet you trust him.  Hmmmmm.....

          replyreport
          1. 58

             Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Well, at least he delivers on his claims.

             replyreport
          2. 58

             Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             No scientific studies on "energy" flows, then? False claim?

             replyreport
21. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    http://www.maharishi.org/tm/research/508_studies.html

    replyreport
22. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 … 23987.html

    replyreport
23. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    http://meditationontwinhearts.org/studies.htm

    replyreport
24. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    http://archive.tm.org/research/home.html

    replyreport
25. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    http://www.consciousnessbasededucation. … tion.shtml

    replyreport
    1. 58

       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       In that link, they wanted to sell me a bunch of books on how meditation deals with stress and blood pressure. No "energy" flow thingies, though. Thanks, but no thanks. Not really interested in buying at this time. 

       replyreport
26. 61

    Hokeyposted 14 years ago

    I'm not worried about him. I accept that I cannot control others. Only how I react. So I am happy and having fun!!!! 

    replyreport
    1. 0

       china manposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       But I am worried about you - I heard that a woman once went bankrupt after spending thousands of dollars on texts to a computer that is programmed to send back 'intelligent' nice responses. You look as though you are in the same situation here except of course that it is free and the responses are not intelligent

       replyreport
       1. 61

          Hokeyposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thanks! 

          replyreport
27. 0

    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    3 Days with not much to say

    replyreport
28. 0

    lyricsingrayposted 14 years ago

    but please do keep posting your avatar speaks for itself

    replyreport
    1. 58

       Beelzedadposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks! I like your avatar, too. Is that you?
       
       I would have put a pic up of my face, but it's too scary looking.

       replyreport
29. 79

    2besureposted 14 years ago

    Yes, I believe that God will use people to pray for others that receive healing!
    
    I was an agnostic.  My brother had been shot in the back and was paralyzed from the waist down.  I woman Evangelist came in and began to talk to us.  I asked a bunch of questions, trying to make her look stupid.  She asked my brother if he wanted her to pray for him and he said yes.  After she prayed from him, his legs began to move.  Later that week he was able to walk again.

    replyreport
    1. 59

       Jeramiposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Ya caint proove that....   but you can know that it's true.

       replyreport
30. 59

    Jeramiposted 14 years ago

    Good night yaul ??   
    I'll lay down a bit at least.

    replyreport
31. 68

    waynetposted 14 years ago

    

    replyreport
    1. 79

       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I am the way and the light! I get the ball you little s**ts!

       replyreport
    2. 61

       Obscurely Diverseposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah!  It was the godsend, god-smack, praising to the Allah cult, that got divinely basketball packed, upon that wicked ass of yours!  Ha-ha-ha!
       I think this is the best work  I've seen 'waynet' ever post... 

       replyreport
       1. 68

          waynetposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Twas a revelation!

          replyreport
32. 0

    Twenty One Daysposted 14 years ago

    such cowardice? why.
    So insecure in your 'thinking'.
    please 'enlighten' the learned.
    Same old hoopla.
    
    3 on one over light, no toast, well done hashbrowns -- ding pick it up.
    
    

    replyreport
33. 0

    StormRyderposted 14 years ago

    The Healing Paws Of Kitty Jesus
    

    replyreport
    1. 0

       Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       that is just silly, as was the dog photo.
       seriously, grow up.

       replyreport
       1. 0

          StormRyderposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Thats the point...It's silly....just as many feel your beliefs are.
          Grow up??
          No...I refuse!
          I will remain young at heart and always carry a sense of humor into all of the threads here....even if the oh so serious people don't like it... Maybe you need to lighten up?

          replyreport
          1. 0

             Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             my beliefs??? lol. your silly.
             i think you have done enough 'lighting up' for the both of us.
             
             Nelly said it best...

             replyreport
       2. 79

          skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          so for what you said grow up ? do you agree with healing or not ? please be clear with replies instead ciphering.

          replyreport
          1. 0

             Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             define healing -apart from religious mumbo-jumbo, pseudo science, ohm-gum. please.

             replyreport
             1. 79

                skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Healing- Process to cure.

                replyreport
                1. 0

                   Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                   umm, sorry sky, healing is not a process to cure.
                   healing is the evidence of cure.
                   
                   faith is knowing you were never meant to be ill & are cured.
                   prayer is manifesting/speaking/testifying to that faith.
                   healing is the evidence.

                   replyreport
       3. 58

          Mark Knowlesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          LOL
          
          Looks to me like you missed the meaning of life sweetie pie.
          
          
          Grow up? What on earth for? Oh - I forgot - you have a "serious" message for the plebs.
          
          See my book "Spiritual seriousness in just 4 days."

          replyreport
34. 0

    StormRyderposted 14 years ago

    
    
    
    Silly

    replyreport
35. 0

    StormRyderposted 14 years ago

    Sillist
    

    replyreport
    1. 79

       earnestshubposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Yep! That's right up there!

       replyreport
36. 57

    Andrew0208posted 14 years ago

    I've always pointed out this severally; you see, this conversation we're having right now when documented, there will be a set of people in the next 100-200 years if the earth remains who will never believe it existed for real. Jesus existed, wrought even more than those miracles as documented in the scriptures. Well He did delegate us to do even greater works than Him while on earth. John 14:12-14. Miracles are real today! Anyone who believe and plugs in faith in the great tool(the name of Jesus) will definitely produce miracles anytime, anywhere. It's a faith walk and not by senses.

    replyreport
37. 79

    earnestshubposted 14 years ago

    Yep! What a woos!

    replyreport
38. 79

    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    

    replyreport
39. 60

    Alya roseposted 14 years ago

    pffft!lol

    replyreport
40. 57

    Andrew0208posted 14 years ago

    We got same healing hands of Jesus... I love using mine consciously.

    replyreport
    1. 79

       skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I'll give you patient with AIDS/H1N1, try healing them.
       
       If you want easy target,i'll give you many bipolar/schizophrenia patients and for your one healing prayer they'll give you multiple views if it's curing them.

       replyreport
41. 79

    skyfireposted 14 years ago

    Let me rewrite webster, babylon, wikipedia, etc for that definition.
    
    "evidence of healing" points out that process is complete but when we use term" healing" it points out that as process to cure, regain health etc.

    replyreport
    1. 0

       Twenty One Daysposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       yes, sky, i am aware of 'how it is said'.
       
       healing is the evidence, why? as you said regaining.
       like being thirsty and drinking water. You must first be thirsty, then drink the water and wait for the re-energizing of the body.
       when that regeneration occurs, you are 'refreshed'. same with healing. once the restoration happens you are healed.
       
       perhaps this is why many are not healed...
       
       
       ps, how are you?

       replyreport
       1. 79

          skyfireposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Okay so honestly i didn't get you here that why you asked for definition. I mean for religious forum we go with the definition which is diluted with religious touch else meaning of healing is quite straight.
          
          Oh and i'm fine,poping up randomly on HP these days. Hows life on your side ?

          replyreport
42. 54

    (Q)posted 14 years ago

    Does Hokey play Hockey?

    replyreport