the truth about TEA party violence...

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   SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago

   I am personally involved with some of the  TEA Party people and can vouch for these facts...all the patriots I have been involved with throughout this past year have been honorable, honest and absolutely none violent in their actions. We have had a few that have acted "out of line" but either came into alignment after we talked with them or they left the groups.
   
   
   
   Tax Day Tea Party
   We're under assault!
   
   Fellow Patriots,
   This email is extremely important. As you probably know, there have been several claims of violence against Democrat members of Congress following the healthcare fight. The media is grossly exaggerating these claims, while refusing to report on the fact that WE are under constant threat from leftists and Gov. health care supporters.
   
   During the past two days, I've personally received hundreds of hateful messages and phone calls, and this morning I had a voicemail that contained a physical threat against me.
   
   You can watch a YouTube video containing the audio of the threat here. I also strongly recommend you read the entire post and watch the Glenn Beck video on the same post.
   
   Essentially, Glenn Beck points out the fact that we're all being provoked, and a violent response is what they want. But even worse is the fact that even though they haven't yet gotten the response they want, they're working with the media to make it appear as though they have.
   
   When in reality, what they're doing is inciting violence against innocent tea party activists like you and me.
   
   This is a frightening situation. We need to be careful, focused, and strategic with our activism moving forward.
   
   These are dangerous times.
   
   For Liberty,
   -TEA Party National Chairperson

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   Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago

   If Glennbeck says it....

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      Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not familiar with the TEA party, Ron. .. I don't think we have them up here in Canada.
      
      Are they violent?  If so, might that have something to do with the caffeine?
      
      I once new a fellow from over the pond who would have a cup of Earl Grey 3 times a day… meanest son of a b@#% I ever met

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         SparklingJewelposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Oh, Greek One...the TEA party people took the name in reference to the Boston tea party protest of American settlers against British taxation on goods without government representation back in the 1700s.
         
         They are not violent. Not the original core groups people...just like any other group that starts a movement against government, there have been some who choose to express themselves in ways that are not representative of the majority of the individuals in the group.
         
         They stand for moving the country, government and citizens desiring to getting back into alignment with Constitutional ideals of limited government where WE THE PEOPLE are not abused by government policies, laws and actions, but actually have a lot more say on what government does. WE truly desire to wake Americans up to the fact that we have allowed government too much "license" to abuse our liberties and freedoms, and have allowed it to become too, too big. AS well as being brought off by big business, etc...
         
         They stand for free markets, and fiscal responsibility, where ethical capitalism (if there can be found such a thing)and free enterprise...where excess taxation do not take place under rule of excess government...as per the US Constitution.
         
         And we also stand for our Constitutional judicial system and government to stop being so damn politically oppositional.
         
         We had enough with Bush and now Obama has pushed too far against the will of at least half of the voting and voicing population.

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         Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Greek One - Here's a link to an impartial and recent poll on the Tea party Movement, their demographic make-up and political inclinations.
         
         http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1295.xml?ReleaseID=1436
         
         They represent about 13% of voters.  They want to represent themselves as 53% of voters.  The philosophy of the movement   is based on the writings of Ayn Rand, who espoused a philosophy which was anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-collective in any form. If you talk to hard-core members, they are against Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid. The entire federal government is supposed to be a giant war department. 
         
         The founding fathers of America were opposed to the idea of a standing (permanent) army.
         
         The movement has nothing to do with the ideas of the founding fathers, though the followers actually DO think they are following the footsteps of Jefferson.  I dare say most of the followers have no idea they are puppets for the top fraction of the top 1% - the aristocrats who are afraid of the power that democracy represents. The Tea Party Patriots are shock troops - storm troopers - for those aristocrats - 'defending' ideas that the founding fathers would not recognize because they were first articulated by a paranoid Russian immigrant in the 1950's.
         
         Here's my concern. Thirteen percent won't get them more than a handful of wins where they field a strong candidate at  the same place and time the democrats field a pathetic one. Massachusetts. In Texas last month in the GOP primaries, all five teabagggers lost. In Texas - Bush country. When they can't win at the ballot box, they will try the methods of the KKK - or the Nazi Brown Shirts - control through intimidation..
         
         It was a teabagger who posted (he thought) the address of a democrat from the US House of Representatives and invited folks to 'stop by'.  The HOME address. Turns out it was the wrong address - it was the Congressman's brother, and some one cut the line to an outside propane tank - no explosion luckily.
         
         The threat to democrats - directly or indirectly from this group - is in the media today, and the Tea Party Movement is doing damage control - which is what the letter is about. The teabaggers trying to portray themselves as the victims.  Hogwash. I have been to pro- health reform rallies which were targeted by teabaggers, and I KNOW who is aggressive and who is passive.
         
         READ the letter from the Tea Party Patriots CAREFULLY and show me the denunciation of violence - the prohibition of violence under threat of expulsion. It's not there.

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            Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            You left out that Ayn Rand was an atheist.  Do the baggers just overlook this or are they that stupid?
            
            You know my vote.

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               Greek Oneposted 14 years agoin reply to this

               i just can't stop laughing at the fact that they are called "teabaggers" lol

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                  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't think they were aware of the other meaning when they named themselves.  Narrow-mindedness has many pitfalls.

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   Hub Llamaposted 14 years ago

   Wow. It's amazing that EVERYONE who was out of line just got better or left after being talked to. This may be the first organization in all of history that can say that.

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   Will Apseposted 14 years ago

   Fighting to deny people health care. A noble calling.

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   SparklingJewelposted 14 years ago

   well, I can only tell you what I know and believe...you can spin it any way you like...it's pretty hard to believe anyone can believe anything anyone has to say anymore...but you go ahead and stick your heads in the sand along with whomever you like.
   
   I believe people I have actually meet and acted with, and you go on someone's opinion from their outside view...and still no one mentions anything about the validity of the unconstitutional acts that government continues.
   
   fighting to bring constitutional health care and limited government is the noble cause; just because the republican establishment spins it their way, doesn't make it so.
   
   it is important not to lump people together as if they all feel exactly the same about everything,
   
   ...true TEA party people know that establishment republicans just like the democrats are bought off and stuck in their own mindsets of unconstitutional power. there are a lot like Palin who have their own perspective on it all and are more concerned about being famous and making money
   
   I can only speak here for myself, I don't debate your limited perspectives, and I reiterate only what I know.
   
   So, God Bless America, and I hope everyone(all "sides") wakes up soon and starts working together for a better country. and that means that when they don't agree on something they need to find a common ground, not partisan ground
   
   SJ

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      Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      I have no doubt that man members of the Nazi Party were nice people under it all. That movement is not jusged by the  intent of every member, but by the methods and results of their acts.
      
      I repeat to anyone looking at the letter from the Te Party. IN a letter about violence (which they do deny they are guilty of), NOWHERE - NOWHERE do they repudiate violence.  Doesn't that tell you something?

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   saltposted 14 years ago

   they dont want to provoke you and if you can look at this calmly, you will find that universal health care can be a great good. Our public health system works really well. Noone is denied medical care in australia and our medical system has some contraversal points to it, but its better than health care for some and not others ..(australia)
   
   and it could as I pointed out to someone else, help create a business cycle, that is good for a healthy stimulus. Help those who really need it and have other flow on effect on crime rates etc, where people have committed crimes to cover the cost of family members health care.

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   Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago

   Leonard Pitts says it all--
   
   Tea partiers proved that I was right
   tts Jr.
   
   By LEONARD PITTS JR.
   lpitts@MiamiHerald.com
   
   So it turns out that, contrary to what I argued in this space a few weeks back, racism is not ``a major component'' of the so-called tea party movement. I am informed of this by dozens of tea party activists indignant and insulted that I would even suggest such a thing.
   
   In other news tea party protesters called John Lewis a ``nigger'' the other day in the shadow of the U.S. Capitol.
   
   For the record, Lewis wasn't their only target.
   
   Rep. Emanuel Cleaver was spat upon.
   
   Rep. Barney Frank, who is gay, was called ``faggot.''
   
   But it is Lewis' involvement that gives the Saturday incident its bittersweet resonance. The 70-year-old representative from Georgia is, after all, among the last living icons of the Civil Rights Movement. Or, as Lewis himself put it, ``I've faced this before.''
   
   Indeed. He faced it in Nashville in 1960 when he was locked inside a whites-only fast-food restaurant and gassed by a fumigation machine for ordering a hamburger.
   
   He faced it in Birmingham in 1961 when a group of Freedom Riders was attacked and he was knocked unconscious for riding a Greyhound bus.
   
   Most famously, he faced it on the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma 45 years ago this month when his skull was fractured by Alabama state troopers who charged a group of demonstrators seeking their right to vote.
   
   In the very arc of his life, Lewis provides a yardstick for measuring American progress. The fact that he rose from that bridge to become a member of Congress says something about this country. But the fact that people demonstrating against healthcare reform chose to chant at him, ``Kill the bill, nigger!'' well, that says something, too.
   
   Which is why tea party leaders have spent much of the last few days spinning the incident, deflecting renewed suggestions that their stated fears -- socialism, communism, liberalism -- are just proxies for the one fear most of them no longer dare speak. Some even faxed the McClatchy news bureau in Washington to suggest, without offering a shred of evidence, that the episode was sparked by Democratic plants within the crowd.
   
   Amy Kremer, coordinator of the Tea Party Express, went on Fox News to dismiss what she called an ``isolated'' incident. Your first instinct may be to cede the benefit of the doubt on that one. It seems unfair to tar nine reasonable people with the hateful behavior of one lunatic.
   
   But ask yourself: When is the last time organizers of protests on other hot-button issues -- say, abortion rights or globalization -- had to apologize for ``isolated incidents'' like these?
   
   Moreover, given how often tea party leaders have been forced to disavow hateful signs and slogans and even the presence of organized white supremacist groups in their midst, is it really fair to use the word ``isolated''?
   
   Is there not a rottenness here? And is not the unwillingness to call that rottenness by name part and parcel of the reason it endures?
   
   No, my argument is emphatically not that every American who opposes healthcare reform is a closet Klansman. Certainly, people can have earnest and honest disagreements about that.
   
   But by the same token, as these ``isolated'' incidents mount, as the venom and the vitriol increase to the point where even proxy words no longer suffice, it insults intelligence to deny that race is in the mix.
   
   Not that the denial surprises.
   
   Often we tell ourselves lies to spare ourselves truths. Had you asked them, the people who locked John Lewis inside that restaurant, the ones who mauled him at that bus station and smashed him down on that bridge, would not have said they acted from a rottenness within.
   
   No, like the ones who called him ``nigger'' half a century later, they would have told you they were good people fighting for principle, trying to save this country from the liberals, the socialists and the communists.
   
   They would not have said they were racists. Racists never do.
   
   Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/03/24/1 … z0jHhKpfqr

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      kerrygposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Yeah, I just spent a horrifying morning browsing this site (as a result of Amanda Palmer's latest attack of unbelievable fail, not the Tea Party business, but the factors behind the idiocy are some of the same) and one of the things that struck me, looking at the dates of the photographs, was how many of the children you can see in the audience at these lynchings are probably still alive.
      
      I'm sure it's safe to say that quite a few of them eventually rejected the family beliefs that made their parents think it was a great idea to bring young children to see a black man publicly lynched or set on fire like it was some sort of family picnic, but based on the attacks on Lewis, incidents like that black journalist who got threatened and called a "boy" at one of McCain's campaign rallies, and others, it's equally safe to say that many others DIDN'T reject their parents' racist beliefs.

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   Arthur Fontesposted 14 years ago

   Just to point out a difference:
   
   After the inauguration of Potus Washington D.C. looked like a dumpster.  Trashed, like the people who attended had no regard for decency or hygiene. Disgusting is how they left the city.  Guess who had to pay to clean it up.
   
   
   After the massive protest last September 12 with just about as many Tea Party protesters as there was at the inauguration the city was spotless.
   
   Just a thought.

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      Doug Hughesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Just a lie. The teabaggers claimed to have over a million in attendance on Sept 12 and posted a picture of HUGE crowds.  The problem is the photo was a phony, takne 10 years before in DC of a totally different group. And impartial estimates of the 'million' put the number between 60,000 to 100,000.
      
      Whetther or not they cleaned up after themselves is open for debate, but the 'massive' protest was exagerated by a factor of TEN  and repeating the claim - proven to be false - is a lie.
      
      Here't the article from fact-checker politifact. They rated this 'pant's-on-fire'.
      
      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter … ent-event/

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         Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Oh look, a government shill!

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   manlypoetrymanposted 14 years ago

   EEEWWWW....Mean ol' TEA Party can't have a formal protest because that is a job for liberals...so the all-mighty media doesn't approve of you...so now your considered violent.

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    PrettyPantherposted 14 years ago

    This reminds me of when Christians commit violent acts and other Christians say the offenders are not "true" Christians.

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    Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor … =124906766

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       Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Ralph, Interesting article.
       
       Most of these same people were just as angry if not angrier at the actions of George Bush.  This anger has been building for awhile.

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          kerrygposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          People keep saying that, but if that's true, then where were they back when people were spitting at us and telling us "love it or leave it" at protests against Bush's policies?

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             Arthur Fontesposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             His name is Alex Jones!
             
             http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NhmZSdmY0s

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    Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago

    Lower taxes, smaller government, and yes that includes cuts in spending even for defense. A return to constitutional government, you know that document that everyone in Congress and the president take an oath to uphold. Yes greater individual freedom, personal responsibility, capitalism.
    
    Yes anti socialism, anti Marxism, and anti fascism.
    
    Oh yes these Tea Party members sound like horrific people!!!
    
    There is no doubt that the bulk of these people are main stream middle class Americans. What is happening is, extremist groups on both sides, like the socialist democrats, are joining, infiltrating and using this group for their own purposes.
    
    Remember TEA stands for Taxed Enough Already
    
    That's hardly a right wing extremist view, especially considering that every single entitlement program is in trouble and our national debt exceeds 12 trillion dollars, 107 trillion if you include the unfunded liabilities of Medicare, and Social Security. Moody's is on the verge of lowering the credit rating of America!
    
    Someone is going to have to pay this debt. Do you believe it should be your children and grand children? Do you care? Do you just want YOUR health care and YOUR retirement money? Do you only care the YOU are taken care of until you die and after that you don't give a f**k???
    
    That's who you are on the left! You're all soooo caring, of others, well, everyone except the future generation that will be stuck with your irresponsible behaviour and your greed!! Shame on you!

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    lovemychrisposted 14 years ago

    Capitalism is in the Constitution??
    I don't think so. In fact, I know so...it isn't!
    No ism is in there as a matter of fact...so what gives you the right to claim we have to be Capitalists?
    Who told you that? ...Let me guess....the Robber Barons!
    
    and I'm with kerry...if you were so against Bush, where were you then?
    All we ever got was "shut up and respect your president." There were 0 protests, except for  protests against the war, and they were called traitors!
    
    And Fox news derided them with sneering superiority and now they worship the baggers.
    What a crock.
    
    If you're so against Bush, prove it.
    Bill Maher:
    "So don't stop: we need to regulate the banks, we need to overhaul immigration, we need to end corporate welfare including at the Pentagon, we need to bring troops home from... everywhere, we need to end the drug war, and we need to put terrorists and other human rights violators on trial in civilian courts, starting with Dick Cheney."
    
    Oh yes. Oh double yes.

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       Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       "All we ever got was "shut up and respect your president." "
       
       We never got that. Don't lie.
       
       "There were 0 protests, except for  protests against the war"
       
       That is not true. Don't lie.
       
       
       "we need to put terrorists and other human rights violators on trial in civilian courts, starting with Dick Cheney."
       
       Oh yes. Oh double yes."
       
       Silly, emotive nonsense.

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       Sab Ohposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       "Capitalism is in the Constitution??"
       
       Trade, currency, and commerce are mentioned pretty often.

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