Related Search Ads

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   Sue Adamsposted 12 years ago

   Following a long comment thread leading no-where, I repeat a question asked 3 weeks ago:
   
   Do authors get their 60% share from revenue on Related Search ads?
   
   
   
   A simple yes or no will do.
   
   Thank you,
   
   SUE ADAMS

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      SimeyCposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I think Paul E basically said 'No' a long time - he said that 'those' type of Ads that appear in various parts of the site have never been shared......
      
      Here's the link: http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/110112? … ost2344320
      
      and the text:
      
      Many of the adsense features we have access to are not available to individuals (custom js ads, AdX etc).  The custom JS ads can't be served with any ID other than the HubPages ID.  It's always been that way.

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         janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         My understanding of this comment is that the "related searches" can only be delivered through the ad program, using HP's ID. My guess is that income is shared.

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            psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            How does that follow?  If the ID is theirs it would go in their account.  Sharing by incoming link would probably be prohibitively difficult.

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               janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Isn't that the way that all income (including Adsense) is share via the ad program?
               "If you opt in to the Ad Program, you will have a total of six ads:
               => One ad unit served through your AdSense account (AdSense pays you)
               => Five additional ad units, some of which come from Google and some of which come from other premium ad partners (HubPages pays you)"

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                  psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  The "related search" page is not on a hub where the hubber's code is used some of the time and Hubpage's code is used some of the time, it is on a separate page where only Hubpage's adsense codes are used all of the time.
                  
                  This thread is about the "related search" page. Go to any of your hubs, find that link and click on it.  Then you will see what we are discussing.

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                     janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     What Paul said in his post was
                     "custom JS ads (such as 'related search') can't be served with any ID other than the HubPages ID" , BUT that does not mean that the income is not shared. All the other Ad program income is collected exclusively by HP and shared. That's how I see it.

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                        psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        All other ads are on hubs so they have a way to know who earned what. There is no obvious mechanism for them to return earning to the hubbers that send people to related search pages. So all they could do is split the earnings evenly across all hubbers, which seems unlikely.
                        
                        Based on that I bet they don't pay any of this particular income to hubbers.  (Also based on this not being clarified by the hubstaff despite repeated requests.)

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                           janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           My guess is that they split the income 60:40 on a time based with the author of the hub, similar to the way the "impressions" income is split.
                           
                           WE await confirmation from HP staff.

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                              psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              The author of what hub, given that the ad is not on a hub...?

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                                 Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 ???
                                 
                                 I was following this thread thinking it was the Related Ads on the right and below our hubs.  Still not sure?

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                                    psycheskinnerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                    "Related search" is a link that leads to a page with ads on it.  We are talking about the earnings from those ads, that are off the hub.
                                    
                                    e.g. Someone goes to my hub, doesn't click an ad, does follow the related search "animal" link and lands on this page.
                                    
                                    http://hubpages.com/linkunit/?term=Anim … andingspot
                                    
                                    Then they do click an ad.
                                    
                                    Do I get any money: yes/no?

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                                       Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                       Thank you, I never knew  where those links led.
                                       
                                       10 ads, one related to the topic.  Bait and switch for the user!

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      Matthew Meyerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      This is addressed by Paul Edmondson here.
      http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/111781#post2380624

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   sabrebIadeposted 12 years ago

   You even made a graphic!
   Very nice!

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   No harm in asking for clarification, I would think.

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   sabrebIadeposted 12 years ago

   Then we need to be allowed to opt out.
   Google frowns on too many ads on a page and when one of those ads is getting frowned at AND not making me any money...it needs to go.
   Like I said, the Google links would work just as well and allow the money to be shared.
   
   And isn't it amazing how we keep getting these "never was" or " that happened over a year ago" answers to things.

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   brakel2posted 12 years ago

   In that discussion in the forum, no one said the income was shared.

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   sabrebIadeposted 12 years ago

   Okay...does anyone think that Related Search may look a bit close to AdSense's Link ads?
   If so, might that not lead to problems as AdSense doesn't like tricking a reader into clicking ads?
   You people that deal with straight up AdSense on blogs or sites know what I'm talking about.

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      Reality Bytesposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Until today, I thought they were Adsense ads.

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         janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

         They are a special type of adsense ad - I suspect that the pages are generated dynamically like an RSS. [the ? in the URL is a give away]
         
         Look closely as the far right end of the URL it includes "fromURL"+ the author + the title of the hub => link back for sharing. IMO

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   Sue Adamsposted 12 years ago

   Does that mean the answer is "YES"?
   Could we have that confirmed by a staff member?

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   psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

   Apparently not.

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   Sue Adamsposted 12 years ago

   Do authors get their 60% share from revenue on Related Search ads?
   
   Following Simone's advice by email to me on this issue I sent Paul Edmondson an email asking to put a straight yes or no answer directly onto this forum thread but as you can see, my email has not evoked a response.
   I suppose that if the answer is "No", we don't get paid for Related Search Ads, hubbers might not want them on their domains. That is probably why HP staff are shying away from giving us a straight answer. But we should know one way or another don't you think?

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      janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I agree we should get and answer - Yes or No.
      The delay is disturbing.

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    janderson99posted 12 years ago

    HP staff have just advised that:
    
    "The revenue from the Related Searches ads is not shared"

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    psycheskinnerposted 12 years ago

    Yeah, then.  I am not a fan.  All ad revenue should be shared.

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       janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

       I agree it is very disappointing! I guess turning off the ad program would turn them off, but with potential loss of revenue. Loss both ways!

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          janderson99posted 12 years agoin reply to this

          Correction: The Related Search Ads appear on all hubs, regardless of whether the Ad program is turned off or on.

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    Sue Adamsposted 12 years ago

    It is very bad news indeed.
    If Related Search Ads only brings in Money for HP, then
    
    a) what is the use to us? On the contrary, such sneaky ways of advertising make us unpopular.
    b) they are breaking their promise of sharing advertising revenue 60/40, right?
    
    Turning off the HP add program would probably not turn them off. Besides, most of my income comes from there, far above AdSense, Ebay or Amazon put together.

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    WriteAngledposted 12 years ago

    It is also grossly misleading and makes the site look cheap. It is not a "related search" feature, but a "yet more ads" feature.
    
    If I was looking for information somewhere and clicked on a link that said "related search", I would expect to be taken to more information relevant to the topic of my search. If I found myself diverted to a page of ads, I would leave the site in disgust and never go back.

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    Reality Bytesposted 12 years ago

    I have never had HP ads, and they are displayed all over my stuff.
    
    60/40?
    
    40% is a nice chunk in itself.
    
    These links are using our keywords to funnel traffic to non-relevant ads as well.

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    Sue Adamsposted 12 years ago

    I agree entirely with WriteAngled:
    
    "If I was looking for information somewhere and clicked on a link that said "Related Search", I would expect to be taken to more information relevant to the topic of my search. If I found myself diverted to a page of ads, I would leave the site in disgust and never go back."
    
    With only 9 people on this thread, most authors probably don't know about this.
    
    What can we do?

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    janderson99posted 12 years ago

    My disappointment is the way this has been handled. The lack of transparency and misinformation has compromised my trust in HP. There is a lot of trust in the Ad program etc. In another previous post about this topic, Paul E responded (http://hubpages.com/forum/post/2341041)
    "Revenue share hasn't changed."
    HP can do what they like with their site, to which we contribute and share income from our creative writing. But trust, transparency and getting up-to-date facts about what is happening, and why, are very important for contributors. Not sure why it was handled this way (no announcement; no explanation!!!) - I am very disappointed!

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    Sue Adamsposted 12 years ago

    We were told six weeks ago that
    
    Today, after several recent emails to staff we are told:
    "The revenue from the Related Searches ads is not shared"

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    mistyhorizon2003posted 12 years ago

    This news is disgusting, and surely breaks the agreement HP has with its writers, i.e. 60/40 split. We should have the right to opt out of 'Related Ads' being shown on our hubs if we aren't going to earn anything from them whatever time of day they are shown

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    Sue Adamsposted 12 years ago

    Continue discussion in this forum thread:
    
    HP Revenue Sharing Deal Broken? Related Searches Ad Income not Shared!
    http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/111781

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