Are The Hubpages Forums a Mission Field?

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A Troubled Manposted 13 years ago
Should those who regard these forums as a place to preach, evangelize and view as a mission field be banned for doing so, especially when they also state adamantly they do not care whether or not anyone dislikes it?
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  Repairguy47posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Should those who have never written a hub be banned from the forums?
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Irrelevant. Start your own thread on that topic if you wish.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  spoken like someone who has written nothing in 9 months here.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing? I have written ten times the posts as you. How is that nothing?
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  hub pages by the way it is designed allows the participation of two different groups of people,...
  
  A) those who publish compleet written works, articles, poetry, blah blah blah
  
  B) those who wish to engage in the forums
  
  no one is limited to just one catagory unless they choose to limit themselves,.... i publish conpleete written works here,... i also participate in the forums on occasion.
  
  do you publish compleete written works here or do you just prowl?
  
  not that i have any problem what so ever with prowlers.... its just that an article or two te refer back to might aid some one in undersatnding a persons viewpoint.
  
  btw,... did you count? realy? 10 times as many posts as me?,....... ok ,...you win,.... yours is bigger.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I see, to you I'm a "prowler" simply because I have no "conpleete/compleete written works" here.
  
  Ah, the plot thickens, as far as your concerned, if someone writes stuff in one area of a website but not another, it's not possible to understand their viewpoint. How does that work?
  
  No, I didn't have to count, our post count is quite visible. Does that mean you win, too, because you have a higher hub count?
  
  Of course, I could do as you do and write hubs filled with drivel, if that helps you understand my viewpoint.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  drivel is as drivel does,... and if youve read my brand of drivel you are ahead of me,.... as i have no access to your brand of drive, should i have had access i would have read it, hoping to gain an insight into your POV.
  
  and no,... i never implied that because some one might limit themselves to just one side of hub pages that we might not be able to understand thier view point,... but i simply do not have the time to chase down ones every thread post in order to guage thier POV,.... i have this crazy thing called a life.
  
  let me put it this way,.... if i find a mysterious machine that i spend two years figuring out in order to make the best use of it,.... thats great,....
  
  if i could have read the owners manual to begin with i might have apreciated and used the machine even more and quicker.
  
  reading some ones work is like reading the owners manual,.... i could figure out my lap top without one,.... but i'll get a lot more use out of it if i read the manual.
  
  and FYI,..... i DETEST the narrow minded religious prigs that treat the forums like thier personal crusade battle grounds.
  
  those who quote scripture like vomit from a frat boys mouth usualy understand it the least,.... and those who pass judgemet the fastest usualy are sorely lacking in it.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and with that i bid you farwell,... its off to that crazy thing called a life.
  
  goodnight all.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're right here on these very forums reading and responding to my posts. I would call that access.
  
  Somehow, I see contradiction there. You have time to read hubs but no time to read posts because you have a life? Okee dokee.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Nothing gives a person so much advantage over another as to remain always cool and unruffled under all circumstances. ~ thomas jefferson
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ....and that perception is the fundamental problem.
  
  HubPages is a writers' site. The forums are places for HubPages writers to interact. More recently, the forums seem to have attracted people who have no interest in writing and just haunt the forums. Most of them have an axe to grind (like the proselytizing fundamentalists, the rabid atheists, the loony left and the loony right in politics) or are emotionally or mentally disturbed. It's one reason I rarely pay attention to the topic-related forums these days.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think they should be banned, no. I'm am an atheist but believe everyone should have the right to follow a religion of their choice, just because it isn't my choice doesn't mean it's wrong. The only time I get involved in the religious forums is when some Christians start preaching hatred against a particular minority, as happened in the "I'm a Christian unless you're gay" Thread.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Preaching on the forums is not really about following a religion of your choice but to disrespect everyone else by telling them they should convert to that religion.
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  janesixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You disrespect people constantly.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Irrelevant, please start your own thread on that topic.
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  janesixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I dont want to overload hubpage's servers
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I can see where you're coming from and why you're saying that, based on some of the threads I've read about witnessing etc. But the way I see it, there are quite a few Christians, Jews, Mormons etc, that want to discuss their religion, scriptures whatever, without trying to convert (I know often they seem in the minority) their intention is to discuss their beliefs or interpretations, not necessarily to build a following.
  
  If we ban religious forums then we are essentially oppressing the sensible, respectful religious people who respect the views of those of us who are atheists. And besides, the nutcrackers arguments are so easily torn apart that you would be denying many of us our evening entertainment.
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  Mighty Momposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Evening entertainment, indeed.
  Pass the popcorn, please!
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  MM, I'm getting fat off that popcorn.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And, that's absolutely fine, we can all discuss those things. However, the quote in the OP is something entirely different, wouldn't you agree?
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes and no. They can preach, evangelize and view as a mission to their own, not necessarily those who do not believe. I suppose it depends how they pitch their argument- if that makes sense?
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  Marisa Wrightposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Personally, I find people who evangelize on these forums offensive. This is not a place to preach, this is a place to debate. Anyone who uses it "as a mission field" and refuses to discuss their beliefs in an open, intelligent way is rude, inconsiderate and probably not very bright.
  
  But I don't think they should be banned. They should be ignored. Don't rise to the bait - don't reply to their threads and they will sink to oblivion.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, Marisa. Well said. Your words describing that particular poster are spot on.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No HubPages is NOT a Mission Field. The world is the field in which believers believe they have a right to impose their irrational held beliefs.
  
  Yes, Aquasilver may see it as his mission field, but from what I gather about John(notice this is his name) is about leading people to Jesus via speech. This is not a violation of his individual rights.
  
  For him to imply his beliefs are a matter of concern to others is partial delusion more so than anything else. The fact that he desperately speaks at length about Jesus and G/god would show you that there's nothing better for him to do.
  
  I don't get where the "hate" comes into play, but usually Aquasilver(John) isn't about pushing hate or hatred. He is attempting to convert people. He wholeheartedly thinks his beliefs in Jesus will have a devastating affect/effect not on people who live now but after they die later. Somehow his understanding of Jesus and Jesus' teachings have made him in this manner. He will continue the onslaught of religious speech. And, it's his right to do so.
  
  What is NOT his right to do is imply that his beliefs apply to other people's life. This would be a lie. This is where his and every other persons' rights end. Once the dishonesty kicks in, it's no longer a right to do. It thus becomes an infringement on the rights of others.
  
  What you believe is for you to believe and live with. It stays in your life and outside of other people's life. Just because you believe something, doesn't give you the right to lie to others or be dishonest.
  
  For those of you who got lost in this post? What lie? The lie is "someone believing that their beliefs have any affect/effect on other people". It's simply not true until action is taken. Speaking is an action. Your beliefs are good for you because you believe them to be true. That's fine. Keep them. Live your life and do something good with it. Do not infringe upon other people's rights.
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  Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Please excuse me, this is completely off topic, and I apologize in advance.
  
  Welcome back, Cags! Good to see you, bud.
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  Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Motown, good to see you. Hope things are well. As you can see, I'm doing okay. Thank you though.
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  Motown2Chitownposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Things just aren't the same without you, friend. Good to hear you're well. Things are pretty peachy on my end.
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  By His Wayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, people shouldn't be banned for evangelizing a topic. People should be banned for being disrespectful.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Evangelizing religion and being disrespectful are one and the same.
  
  Evangelism is the height of selfishness. One is only doing Gods work in order to be in favor of their God so they may earn their place beside Him, and they will do so at any cost, including the disrespect of what other people think, want and desire for themselves.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not so.
  Christians know that everyone has a soul. We really do want others to avoid hellfire and go to heaven.
  So please don't try to put a different twist on the issue. It's a core belief containing compassion for everyone, including nonBelievers. If we didn't care for others and only wanted to get to heaven for entirely selfish reasons, we'd know even by our Bibles that that wouldn't work.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You probably didn't read what I wrote about having respect for what others think, want and desire for themselves.
  
  No one cares what you believe and some see it as complete delusion, but when you try to shove it down our throats, you do little more than create conflict and disrespect.
  
  There is no compassion whatsoever in evangelism religions. If you actually had compassion, you would have respect for others and allow them to think for themselves and decide what they want, not what you want for them.
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  By His Wayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Just as we don't want people to categorize each Christian as false, neither should we be allowed to categorize each Christian to be good. Trying to tell people that "we Christians" just like...you might as well turn the audio off for some because they've seen too much of the wrong image. There are so many "Christians" that have for so long misrepresented. We can't speak for everyone, and we shouldn't. I'm with you on what our goal is and that's love and acceptance, but I can't agree with speaking for all because some of the worst enemies of this faith are those proclaiming to follow it. When there is a twist in someone's opinion it's because of what they have experienced. So, the answer isnt that we argue their perception of it. Rather, we show them something different - the truth - from ourselves.
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  By His Wayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I hate to hear that this is your opinion. I really do but I can see where you would get that impression. I just don't see it that way personally. I don't believe we earn our way beside God. So, evangelism, for me, is a "want to" to share the good that has affected me. Since I dont believe you earn salvation, then there is no motivation in sharing what I believe and that should only fall on ears that want to listen. If it becomes disrespectful, then they are wrong...that person, not the faith. But...yeah..
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  There is a huge difference between sharing what has happened to you and telling others they must accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior or burn for an eternity. The latter is evangelism.
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  By His Wayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I won't go into a forum titled with something that is obviously against what I believe and try to derail it. If asked or if it's pertinent, I'll share. Respect boundaries. Hell...it's something I believe in. It's a reality for me. So naturally (hopefully) I wouldn't want anyone to go there. Because I do believe in that, I will share it because of love (not selfishness), but I will not share it in a disrespectful way or force it on someone. My honest opinion is that if we have to say so much, then we aren't living the truth we speak,well enough. "Share the gospel, and if neccessary use words." Because of what I believe, I'm scared for you, but it's your choice. Because of what I see from other believers on here, I'm ashamed. I've said what I believe and that's all I can say.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Because of what I understand of the world around me, I pity those who are wasting their lives on evangelizing and believing in bronze age myths.
  
  Don't be scared for me, someday we'll both die and will share exactly the same thing... nothingness, void. You won't go to any magical kingdom and I won't be roasting. It's all just mythical superstition.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All places are a mission field, ESPECIALLY the religion and philosophy forum.
  
  After all these years, haven't you guys got it yet?
  You still keep coming in, and complaining about what you find.
  
  STAY OUT, and you won't get evangelised!
  
  GET IT!
  
  Hey, that felt good.
  
  Shouting really gave me a sense of release!
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Well, when the religion threads take up most of the front page, it gets ridiculous.
  This is not a religious site.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have no problem with your amusing posts. They frighten more people away from your cult than convince others to join it. Keep up the good work, Aka!
  
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Crikey. We have to stay out of all places not to get evangelized?
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Here is where we really see the intolerance and selfishness of believers who evangelize their religions. If they actually did care about anyone's well being or anything else associated with positive attributes they feel their religion can offer, they would never say such things, especially shouting them and then feeling good about it.
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  By His Wayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Shouting...how does that prove anything? Wait, it does prove something, just not what you should be proving.
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  mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  The fact that arrogance and foolishness, are not just part of everyone else?
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  By His Wayposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  ..and I don't believe any of us are ever to deny it.
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  mischeviousmeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And why would you accept it, as opposed to taking into one's eyes what is? The words in a book don't necesarily make it true for everyone. If I am to find a higher consciousness, being mindful of myself is the best answer.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Why would you even ask such a question? Are you for banning freedom of speech?
  If Christians are banned, then so should those be banned who "preach" liberalism. Take note--it's done around here day after day. And (haha) it's hinted at day after day, as this thread indicates.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't see his question any different than the threads started complaining about the presence of non believers. Some people simply wish they could post unopposed. What would be the point of that? I would think that was what the hubs were for.
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I personally don't expect to be able to post unopposed. And I don't think most people expect that either.
  
  Some semblance of propriety and manners is needed from some posters though.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think this just about sums up what we all want.
  
  Sad to think so many choose to do the opposite (some all the time, and relentlessly)!
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  Brenda Durhamposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed they do. Relentless is the word. Many times, accompanied by vulgarities, personal attacks, etc. And yet they want to bash Christianity. Ironic.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  But, since you'd never come to an agreement as to what defines a semblance of propriety and manners, we all simply must endeavor to persevere.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's not a very nice thing to say!
  
  I am a very nice and polite person.
  Does that mean I will lay down and take crap from attackers? Hardly.
  
  You start nice, I will follow suit. TRY ME, (here or on my hubs).
  
  I try and start nice, but don't always get nice in return.
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  pedrogposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We can always make fun of that kind of people.
  
  "Preching Troll Patrol" FTW!!!
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janesixposted 13 years ago
No. Everyone has a right to voice thier opinions.

Even atheists.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Uh, I'm not talking about voicing opinions. Did you not read the quote in the OP?
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  janesixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I dont think they should be banned for preaching, no.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Preaching is entirely against what the forums are to be used for. People can preach in their hubs if they wish.
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  janesixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  According to whom?
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  According to forums and their rules.
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  janesixposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thats simply not true.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  so writing a hub now suddenly has value?
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Where did I say that?
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  sorry,.. they are still drivel,... my mistake
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I have read hubs here that are not drivel.
  
  The point is, which seems to evade you, that you feel there is great value in writing something in one area of a website or on the internet but not another, even though the exact same things could very well be written in either place.
  
  That simply makes no sense whatsoever.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "The point is, which seems to evade you, that you feel there is great value in writing something in one area of a website or on the internet but not another, even though the exact same things could very well be written in either place."
  
  well said.... your are refering to me or yourself?
  
  i believe both are equaly important,... you CAN participate in only ONE portion of this website if you desire,... but thats akin to refusing to walk in the other side of the garden,... good fruit grows there too.
  
  let me say one more time, that i, like you it seems, very much detest those who evangalize to the point of lunacy here,....
  
  however,.... if you go to mass,.... dont bitch about the incense and the bells,... you knew their would be smells and bells when you walked in the door.
  
  with that in mind,.... stay out of the religious forums and avoid those who would behave in ways that make you want to kick puppies.
  
  i do find it very depressing that hubpages has devolved into a rabid theology debate interupted rarely by an equaly rabid vegan debate or left vs right squable.
  
  but some feed off of such things.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, it isn't. You're still advocating that writing in one area of a website has more value than another. This is a website, not a garden.
  
  In other words, you also feel people should just go away if they don't like being disrespected by others.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  A) i never advocated that writing in one part of this site has more value than the other,.... i only tried to explain that taking advatage of both options might help others understand your POV,... thats all.
  
  the same could be said of those who write only hubs and do not articipate in the forums,.. writing only hubs and not chatting in the forums is a real loss if your truely wanting dialog between writers.
  
  B) i dont think you should "just go away" when accosted by the zelots of the world,... of course you have the right to defend your stance on a subject while hopefully not devovling to jr high name calling,.... but i do advocate having the good sense not to argue with one who just wants to argue..... advice which i seem unable to follow myself at this moment. ;-)
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I doubt that. If we follow your logic, I should write in many places rather than one in order for people to understand me, which makes no sense.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  picture me now with a wry smile upon my pursed lips,..eye brows furrowed, a deviously amused look in my eyes,....
  
  you really do enjoy this dont you.
  
  glad you had fun,... now go smoke a cigaret and reflect upon the passion that was this strange exchange.
  
  peace.
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janesixposted 13 years ago
Do you?
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
It would be nice if HP could set up a forum filter. We could check the forums we want to see and block those we aren't interested in. Edweirdo, a hubber, had one that even blocked specific threads. I loved it! But it wasn't updated along with regular browser updates, which I don't blame him. People weren't paying him even a minimum suggested cost, a dollar or two. I would love to see HP implement their own forum filter.

It does get tiring trying to filter through all the religious threads when quickly browsing.
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  jesimpkiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  +1 on this!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I'm still using the filter, it still works.
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I use updated Firefox. I tried Chrome, but didn't like it. Which browser do you use?
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  jesimpkiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I had no idea that the filter had been ported to Chrome! Thanks you two!
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I use Chrome
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  rebekahELLEposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I tried it for a while, but missed FF features.
  
  search Edweirdo forum filter and you'll find the info.
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  lorlie6posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  RebbekaEllE, I'll second that! I wrote to Edweirdo about my filter-it was not working any longer, I didn't know why. But he did not respond.
  His filter worked just beautifully, I could filter with ease, and I agree that HP should offer this as well!
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Eric Newlandposted 13 years ago

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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Irrelevant. Start a new thread on that topic if you wish.
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  Eric Newlandposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  How is that irrelevant? It's basically a rephrasing of your question.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't really think you have reading comprehension issues, but am starting to think otherwise.
  
  It has nothing to do with my question./
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Irrelevant" is not a magic word,... it doesnt have the power to bannish fact from ones self made reality.
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  klarawieckposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  
  You're killing me!!!
  
  Hey, Troubled Man, it's very simple... people can view the HP forum in whichever way they please. If they want to see it as a mission field, so be it. If they want to see it as a biology class, that's fine, too.
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getitriteposted 13 years ago
With God on your side, anything you do is correct.
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Shanna11posted 13 years ago
I don't think it's an appropriate place to preach necessarily, but we aren't forced to read those threads. We can ignore them. Banning just seems to me like an extreme measure.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  People get banned here for much less than preaching.
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  Shanna11posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  True.... and I'm not saying that's right either. I'm finding the recent litany of religious threads a bit tiresome, but I suppose if we all just choose to ignore them, they'll sink to the bottom pretty fast. I'm just worried newcomers to Hubpages will think this is a religious site, when it's not.
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Mighty Momposted 13 years ago
I think the Hub Pages forums are a GIANT mission field -- and not just for Christianity (although that is of course the focus of the OP).

As I see it, anyone is welcome to come here and evangelize all they want on anything. Politics. Social issues. Religion.

We are a writers' community. If you're a good writer and you express your views well, you will get people to think twice about your ideas.
You may actually succeed in changing someone's viewpoint.

Intent to influence or convert is not, in and of itself, a bannable offense.
The execution is where zealots get into trouble.

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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thank you, MM, that was very well said. I will certainly rethink my position with your words.
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Eric Newlandposted 13 years ago
Not that I'm a huge fan of forum proselytizing myself. A lot, maybe most of it, is embarrassing and counterproductive by and large. The rest just gets trolled anyway.

But banning, based purely on subject matter and intent? Nah. That one guy who does the eye-bleeding nigh unreadable psychedelic posts might deserve a slap on the wrist for making eye-bleeding nigh unreadable psychedelic posts though.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  amen!
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rebekahELLEposted 13 years ago
As long as I've been here, that has never happened.
There are always those that want to engage. I'm kind of amazed at what some people do with their time!
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Exactly, here's one of the worst threads on these forums, but look at the attention it's getting...
  
  http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/96126
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  jesimpkiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ick...I couldn't suffer myself to look at the OP in that thread, let alone attempt reading it.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. When an atheist pretending to be a crazy Christian starts a forum thread it's bound to be over the top.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, who is the atheist, if you are so sure he is?
  
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't know, or care. But, no one is that whacky. A joke is a joke, but that joke ran its course after about a day of posting.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I beg to disagree, Emile! The wackiest posters are ALWAYS believers. Are you a believer, by chance and are simply afraid he is one too? I thought the way you keep saying he is an imposter you had some sort of proof to back up your claim. Are you now saying you do not? Tsk, Tsk, Tsk! Wishful thinking?
  
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not a believer and not wishing. Simple unbiased observation....plus the fact that he laughed with me about it once when I made a comment to that effect when he first started posting on Hub Pages.
  
  The problem, when you hate a group, you see what you desperately want to believe. No matter how easy it would be to simply accept the most logical conclusion.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Interesting reasoning for why you hate non-believers.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I don't hate anyone ATM. I do, occasionally, get frustrated when I'm accused of being a believer, or a troll, simply because I won't accept other people's opinion on faith.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  This has nothing to do with hate whatsoever. If you think I hate believers then your "simple observations" are indeed simple. But I will ask you directly if you know for a fact this person is an atheist, or are "simply assuming" he/she is from your "simple observations"? This way there should be no confusion as to your allegations. Simple as pie.
  
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  We each have to go on what we surmise from our observations. I don't know anything for a fact about anyone in the forums. Do you? How could you? You can only go by your opinion of what they say. Are they serious, or kidding? Are they telling the truth or lying? Are they simply choosing a side to argue, or are they also arguing their own opinion? Are they attempting to create a persona or posting honestly about who they are?
  
  I've already told you the guy laughed along when I told him he was just an atheist having fun acting like a crazy Christian. If that isn't convincing to you....ok. You can always count on fooling some of the people some of the time. One of us is wrong, but it isn't as if it matters.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't thinks so. But yet you make a statement and chastised me in another thread assuring me this person was an atheist and how, to paraphrase your words "you didn't know if I was as smart as you first thought I was, but would have to think on it to decide" if I truly thought this person was a believer.
  
  And now you admit you know nothing for sure other than you joked with the guy. Well, I'll have to rethink my opinion of your intelligence this time.
  
  And I'm surprised UW took your insult so well, but she's a lot nicer than I am!
  
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You are truly unbelievable. I was attempting to be nice and put an end to a pointless exchange; but you use it as a springboard to pretend you gained the upper hand in the conversation. I honestly don't care that you exhibit the desperate need to find ways to look superior and pretend that an exchange has gone in your favor. Sacrificing common sense in the process. Whatever it takes.
  
  But UW chose to attempt to chastise me for comments made to mirror comments that Mark had twice made to me. Any idiot could read through the exchange and see he began the exchange with me and called me a troll twice because he disliked my comment. UW either chose not to view the full exchange, or chose to ignore the facts. Either way, her comments were off base and unwarranted; primarily because she directed the complaint solely at me. While defending Mark's right to say the exact same thing to me she was upset with me saying to him.
  
  Sorry if it offends you that I stand up to attempts to bully me; and foolish people who don't take the time to read. I'm sure the reasoning behind your dislike for my statements in my posts goes back to my comments in paragraph one.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  All I did was comment on the fact I doubt he had time to create as many sockpuppets as you seem to think.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  To be honest, the only reason I made the statement was because he had already accused me of the same. And called me a troll in the process. I suppose because he was in disagreement with my initial post that another hubber coldn't possibly be for real.
  
  Sock puppets appear to come and go in the Religion and Philosophy forum. I, personally, have no problem with their presence. There will always be those who circumvent the rules. I assume they are attempting to make a statement that they feel can best be made through the use of a sock puppet.
  
  But, I don't have to pretend that they are real and when their behavior becomes too surreal to accept I wonder what motivates others to argue that the sock puppets are sincere individuals. Since my initial comment in this thread caused Mark to call me a troll who had created a sock puppet, I have no problem responding in kind. Primarily because the person who begins the exchange by calling me a troll is not interesed in honest and open dialogue.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Your opinion means little to me after your comments, Emile. Your "attempting to be nice" as you put it leaves much to be desired. But your cult is known for such a lack of the social arts, so I'm not surprised. I pretend nothing, especially there being an invisible being backing up my delusional responses to others or my insults to them. I take responsibility for my own actions. I don't need satan or god to excuse my actions. Nor do I have to "pretend anything either or take lesson about using common sense from a person who bases their life on an old goat hereder's myth book. that would be you.
  
  Wrong again. UW used common sense along with your reputation for inanity to comment on your posts. No one really expects you to admit to anything. You cannot help it, you've been taught you are right and everyone else is wrong about your beliefs. And no, I do not expect you understand. Your assumptions the silly poster is an atheist is because you are embarrassed because he/she represents your faith. And actually, he/she isn't much worse than you with his inane posts. Birds of a feather and all that.
  
  Nothing you do offends me. And on the contrary, both you and Eli are a source of great amusement for me and make me feel much better about myself. You bully yourself with your silly beliefs, others merely observe and thank goodness they are not of your ilk. An dislike is not the emotion I feel for your statements. That would be pity instead.
  
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You're a hoot. Not much else. You've proven, by your statements that you don't bother to read. Or, lack the ability to understand the written word.
  
  Either way, continued communication is pointless. Have a nice day.
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  Randy Godwinposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That's "Mister Hoot" to you!
  
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  Ok, Mr. Hoot. I'll attempt to remember that.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So - that is your sock puppet then? You trolls amuse me.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Grow up.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  "Yes" then?
  
  Nice.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Considering the fact that you are a militant and hostile atheist with a penchant for creating sock puppets; I would think the chances that you were the one posing as an ignorant and off balance Christian would make more sense.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You trolls get funnier. You all but admitted it is yours.
  
  I can see why you would need to attack me though.
  
  Are there any christians that are not off balance and ignorant?
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do all of the trolls in your swamp have problems with reading comprehension?
  
  I'll leave you to your bizarre games Mr. Knowles. You aren't interesting enough for me to waste the time pondering your emotional problems.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  I think Mark is too busy with his real life to worry about creating sock puppet accounts. I have news for you, not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not sure what your problem is, but wasn't he evolution guy? Wasn't that a sock puppet? I would explain why I posted in this thread, but you've already decided to have an attitude, so I'll leave you to your little tiff.
  
  Btw, mark seems to be a big boy. Your running to his defense for imaginary slights comes off as foolish.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, I see, you actually believe one of us created that thread and you actually believe that...
  
  Good one, Emile.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Amusing you seems to be my primary function in these forums. Glad to see I've, once again, succeeded.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It smacks of desperation. How will I draw peoples attention, I know, I'll use pretty pastel fonts. I think sympathy is in order, not banning.
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stclairjackposted 13 years ago
the three things one NEVER should discuss when in delicate company,... politics, religion and sex,..... if it werent for those three subjects the forums would be all but silent here.

if you wish to publish informative articles on any subject other than what google finds offensive, you may enjoy being here,....

if you wish to engage in an intelectual debate with those who know how to do such things,..... your options are prety limited,.... but that is true everywhere.

the best tool i wish we had was the option of removing posts from a thread that we start,... if the original poster could administrate the thread.
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Druid Dudeposted 13 years ago
Here's an idea. Don't like it? Go to a different hub/forum. Is someone holding a gun to your head? Don't like what someone says, just gag them? GROW UP! This is to ATM
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You'd make a very good evangelist, perfect attitude.
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Must be the flowers growin' out my arse!
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  it is not evangelistic to tell someone who seems childish to grow up.
  Remember when Jesus told the pharisees far worse and to their face - not over the internet - of course you don't, once again you just want to tell someone off for their statement without realizing how correct it is and then you want to slam evangelism which the statement has nothing to do with.
  
  sound of the buzzer!
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, but I don't believe in those childish fairy tales.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  irrelevant what you believe start your own thread on that, but note if you come into a christian discussion area and do not bring christian discussion...
  
  it is likened to a person who attends a seminar on self improvement and thinking he needs no improvement walks away. Is that person improved or does he take with him 7 other attitudes worse than the first? Or walking around he discovers a forum about geography and having entered in he prattles about mathematics. The hearers then having no basis for discussion soon oust the man, having reviled him and in jewish circles around the time of jesus they saith, "he has a devil".
  
  You are both dishonest and deluded to think your time here is not wasted.
  have a good day
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  That person made a choice to attend the seminar whereas we are not making a choice to listen to your garbage, it is being shoved down out throats.
  
  Our time is not wasted pointing out your dishonesty.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  BS. YOU make the choice to ENTER this forum. NO-ONE forces you to come here,
  OH Pah L E A S E!!
  
  YOU read posts of your own volition.
  Truth is you LOVE arguing and putting others down. Oh sorry, other's beliefs down.
  If it were SUCH a waste of time, WHY do you keep coming back?
  
  BTW Jesus Loves you STILL. In spite of your ignorant attacks on His followers!
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Funny how believers equate their evangelism to entering public domains.
  
  Focusing on me, again? Typical.
  
  Why do you?
  
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks for proving my point.
  
  Focus is on you, because I was posting to YOU.
  
  Isn't that how "conversations" go?
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  No, they don't.
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  how do they go?
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  yup! lol
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Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago
Funny how so many religious threads end in personal attacks.
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  exactly,.... POV means nothing to those who want to be the E-equivelant to the school yard bully,.... i cant count how many times i've laughed uncontrollably over having the intelectual giant sling things like "i know you are but what am i" at me! ha!
  
  let the insults roll off and see them as the crude entertainment that they are.
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  Hollie Thomasposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Ahh, UV, they're not personal attacks though, if they're ones interpretation of the bible.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Mark Godwin has brought it to my attention that this post was referencing my previous response to you. If you felt attacked, I apologize. This was not my intent. However, considering the fact that your complaint appeared to ignore the fact that I had been twice called a troll who created a sock puppet before I responded in kind; I assumed you simply had an axe to grind and were willing to bypass common sense in order to do it. If your comments were made simply because you hadn't reviewed the full exchange prior to attempting to chastise me, I can understand how this would cause you to have judged incorrectly.
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  Uninvited Writerposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Actually, it was not aimed at you... it was a general observation.
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starme77posted 13 years ago
Personally - I get sick of it - seriously - the forums used to be a fun place to chit chat - get hub help - adsense help and what not - but it seems now all it is - is a bunch of religous crap its not fun like it used to be a couple years ago - I think these religous freaks should be banned cuz they are so damned pushy about their religion - gee whiz - I had a jehova witness push my door open the other day - I mean damn! I wanted to knock her the hell out! One forum is fine but when the religous freaks take over everything pushing their crap down their throat - it seriously is worse than the bigges fly in your ear when your trying to write a hub
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Do you consider the admission that I have flowers growin' from where the sun don't shine, a personal attack? I humbly apologize to myself. There, does that make it better? The dude is complaining about religious forums when that is where he chooses to hang out. He's an atheistic evangelist. Read his comments and tell me it ain't so!
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  starme77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  wow - those must be some screwed up flowers
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  Druid Dudeposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  starme77...do you realize that Julius Caesar was horribly asassinated in the Forum at Rome!
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  starme77posted 13 years agoin reply to this
  haha I like u ur funny
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brotheryochananposted 13 years ago
Its just your inability to interpret anything without your own personal bias and its your inability to understand what people write and its your inability to show care and concern in place of disrespect and rudeness.

In short this thread is all about your inability to stay away and your ineffectualism to change people to your way of thinking. You must be so frustrated, feeling all alone and without validation.

When do you finish public school?
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, we can see your care and concern and how difficult it is to confuse that with disrespect and rudeness.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  truth is truth
  you reap what you sow
  
  the list goes on
  and so do you
  
  hows your health these days? You might give yourself an ulcer yknow.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  My goodness BO. You could have been gazing in a mirror and talking to yourself when you came up with that post.
  
  As you stated in a subsequent post. You reap what you sow. You are attempting to plant seeds as strenuously as any other evangelical or atheist here with firmly held beliefs. What do you sow, other than discord?
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh hi emile
  i am sure you believe that and that is a problem isn't it.
  you could have been gazing into your own mirror.
  
  obviously "you hadn't reviewed the full exchange prior to attempting to chastise me,"
  
  I actually do wonder if this atm is not some kid still in public school.
  
  If you consider the words that i said to be strenuous then you should take time out and relax. Once again the truth is mentioned and the ungodly complain and call is discord.
  
  Again i will say, If you don't want to hear the music then don't go to the concert.
  
  Obviously this stupid thread sprouts from one peed off persons agenda, probably bitter and definitely obsessed. So my words remain as correct as always.
  
  don't get an ulcer
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  You could never give me an ulcer BO. I don't think I've ever swallowed a line you wrote. Eskimo wisdom.
  
  But, I agree. Every time we raise an eyebrow it is, to some extent, hypocrisy. I knew that when I posted a reply. It does not, however, negate the truth in my post.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  truth of your post
  
  now that raises an eyebrow.
  
  my statement was not that i would give you an ulcer, by this statement you show your ability to both think reasonably and use logic and comprehend what you read, but i have said this to you before. You argue for argument sake. If you have ever answered a post plz feel free to direct me to it.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It only appears to you that I argue for argument's sake. I would explain it, but you wouldn't understand the explanation. Close minded people always display that particular handicap.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  and you certainly do display that handicap quite well.
  Take a look at your posts and you might just see that you enter in where no entry is needed and you do not reply to posts and offer no evidence - just your opinion which is often not related to the post you think you are replying to.
  I don't argue for arguments sake, mostly i correct peoples opinions and misinformation.
  Thanks for your opinion about my handicap although its a bogus opinion once again.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  BO, I'm going to let you in on something that is a secret to no one but you. This is a Religion and Philosophy forum. If you stay on topic, it is all opinion. You can't back it up with anything other than someone else's opinion you read somewhere else. No one has discovered proof of cosmic truths.
  
  You don't 'correct' people. You push your opinion. It is your ego that makes this difficult to understand and makes you blather on.
  
  I know this is a shock. But, trust me. These are the facts.
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Notice that believers have more of a tendency to spit venom when their evangelism is exposed for what it is.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  reaping what you sow are ya
  
  doesn't taste so good does it
  
  oh the surprises
  
  you really think these few posts are more virulent that what you put out?
  And you think this is spitting venom?.. stop the drama
  Now that is dishonesty
  
  oh the surprises
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Xenonlitposted 13 years ago
I would like to see the religious and political stuff confined somewhere else.

I come here to read the news, help, the topical stuff and the important communications, not forums that are dominated with bad religious dogma and pseudo philosophy.

Then, everyone could continue their religious and political conversations without the rest of us having it shoved in our faces.
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  brotheryochananposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  you dont think the religious forum is confined enough?
  
  I think they should separate religion and philosophy because the two are completely different.
  Religion should just be on its own and the moderators should keep out those who just seek to destroy and don't write hubs
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  aka-djposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  +1
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Jeramiposted 13 years ago
brotheryochanan wrote
Its just your inability to interpret anything without your own personal bias and its your inability to understand what people write

= - == -

me
Now this is a very true statement. Not at Emile but at any person who attempts to understand written words from someone else.
And especially when anyone attempts to translate any written words from one language to another.

personal bias will always alter the intent of the origional statement causing it to lean one side or the other from where it was origionally intendedd to go.

Which includes the translators of scripture.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  Not only one language to another, but one civilization to another. You've got people using computers attempting to understand the mindset of a civilization that didn't understand the mindset of a generation that didn't understand the mindset of a people who wrote the most ancient parts of the text. No wonder religion can come off so discombobulated.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  And all of that aside .. even when reading the same written words in the same book; seems like no one can agree as to the story.
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  Emile Rposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, the question is why? Because, if God exists; there is a reason. If God exists there is a reason why there are not only divisions among the people who follow that book, but why there are other monotheistic religions who think they have the correct understanding on a cosmic scale. And why those aren't the only religions.
  
  Everyone wants to be right so badly.
  
  No one is willing to accept that is probably exactly what makes them wrong.
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  Jeramiposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  So, the question is why? Why we all get a diffrent understanding of what the bible says is because we all have a different starting point. And then we try to make everything we read next conform to that which we have already come to believe.
  
  Those preconceived ideas we were talking about earlier.
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worldofseaposted 13 years ago
they definitly should not be banned.
i mean America supposedly offers freedom of speech and of the press, so dont read the religious articles if you dont want to, but let them have a passion for God's sake!
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stclairjackposted 13 years ago
speaking as someone who has no possible desire to convert anyone to my belief system,... and as someone who is a true believer in freedom of speach,..

jeeeeeze what a 4 day waste of oxygen this thread has been for those who might engage one another here for rational debate.

i must say that the OP is iether;

A)a pompas self agrandizing insecure bully that needs to shout down those who even remotely dissagree with him/her, in some vain attempt to prop up thier own fragile ego,...

or,...

B) an evil genius that has had a tremedous amount of fun at all our expense, myself included.

if A) is the case, then i wish you well, hope life works out for you.

if B),... hats off to the bull!
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  A Troubled Manposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  It's hilarious how believers make out the recipients of evangelism to be the bullies with fragile egos.
  
  Perhaps, they would prefer we just bend over for them and shout, "Thank you sir, may I have another!"
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  stclairjackposted 13 years agoin reply to this
  oh now realy,.... can we have a reality check here please,... i'd like to pay my bill and leave this eatery,.... the service was fantastic but the food tasted funny.
  
  1) who are you to sudenly lable me a "believer"?? do you know what i believe? can you assume through what you've read within my posts to this hillarious thread that i belong to a particular beliefe system??
  
  2),... there will be no bending over,... dont flatter yourself,... but i must admit,... you are growing on me,.... in a genital warts sort of way,.... but growing on me none the less.
  
  3) FYI,... its been my experience that the rabbid evangelizer tends to have the most fragile ego,... it comes as a matched set to propperly accesorize with thier equaly fragile intelect/moral ground.
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bappyhalderposted 13 years ago
You disrespect this constantly.
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