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Best Answer kwade tweeling says
I sympathise quite a lot with you PoV here, but you must remember it isn't a choice between Obama and an idealised combination of Jefferson, Roosevelt and Bambi. The menu is what is in front of you and there are no substitutions!
#1 can be debated, since many presidents in time of war have done that.
#2 Isn't that better than being forced to do nothing because the conservatives won't compromise on virtually anything?
#3 You must be thinking of Bush on this one.
Yes Obama is doing a lot of shady things. And I wouldn't be so easy to trust anyone on the other side of the aisle either. They all work together and they all plan against us and they figure out ways to line their pockets with more money. Good lUck
Sebastian, that is part of the problem. People think there's a menu.
Esoteric, you make me sad.
1.Assassinating civilians, sorry.
2.Then it's better for us all to break the law.
3.You don't see it?
4.Maybe you should.
No, I won't get over it until all of the vestiges of the disaster his eight years in office have finally left the scene. Conservatives must glory in it because they seem to be doing everything in their power to keep it around.
My Esoteric, Bush and Obama are not only related, but follow most of the same policies, at least the important issues. Actually, Obama has raised the national debt way more than Bush. Not that I am a Bush supporter, but also not an Obama supporter.
Republicans and Democrats are in place to keep the public arguing for a team. Both teams are corrupt. It has worked very well for a long time. Some people are figuring it out. The rest, having their beliefs challenged, defend this game of fools.
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Doc Snow says
Actually, if you trace the actual philosophical lineage (I am in the process of writing a hub about it, but it will a bit before I get to the civil war period) Lincoln is the leader of today's Democratic Party, although he started out Repubican.
Hello JSChams, My Esoteric is right on the philosophical positions of the Republican and Democratic parties in the past. Lincoln would have been a modern Democrat. He was for enforcing strong federal government and Democrats of his time were opposed
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Tony Lawrence says
Well I am not a Bush supporter but just know that Obama raised the national debt to 4 trillion in less than 4 years and Bush raised the debt that much in his 8 years in office. So Obama thinks he can find prosperity by getting into debt. Okay?
I don't agree about the huge mess by Bush. Yes, Bush didn't help but actually every president for the last thirty years has increased the debt and Obama has doubled it in less that 4 years. This is why we have problems.
Wow, I couldn't have said it better. Exactly my thoughts on the subject.
Actually, I was a Hillary supporter, but am very happy that Obama won, if she couldn't. One advantage of a woman leader of any sort, a lot less chest-thumping (Pelosi aside) and more policy-making; less war as well. Hillary is amazing as SOS.
You are correct. I don't know why you think a woman wouldn't be corrupt. And Hillary is corrupt for sure. They are all friends and work together, Democrat or Republican. They aren't different they are all just trying to gain power and money.
Well said. And I agree again with SportsBetter.
I say that, because, as a group, historically they have proven to be much less corrupt than men, as a group and FAR less likely to lead a country into pointless war like Iraq. Most aren't womanizers either, lol.
There hasn't been many woman in power to say that men are more corrupt than woman. I have met some very scandalous woman before.
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My Esoteric says
Pamela Hutson says
You are right and wrong. Para 2 is right, you must get engaged, politically, but I don't think Corporate America has anything to do with the fight you mentioned. That fight has been going on since the fight over the ratification of the Constitution
I completely agree - one only need look at "Citizens United" ruling to see the truth in this - of course that would require people to not be lazy and actually pay attention to the things going on that most mass media doesn't cover.
Very true. I don't trust any politician. To be honest they all work together. They can be republican or democrat and they are both playing for the same team. They argue over insignificant things but agree over all the major things.
Sportsbetter, then why do you keep electing them into office or do you not prefer to vote, since all politicians are on the same team?
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I agree entirely with your views. he has made some mistakes - but he still is the best alternative. Hopefully he gets to serve a second term.
Sebastian Tyrrell says
Hear, hear! My biggest downer from the President is not pushing harder on Obamacare from the start and getting it out of the way much, much sooner when he had the chance. That might of left some time for the environment.
Tom Ware says
His solutions actually cause problems. If government tries to fix something that works, they create more problems. Government says we have a problem, then they "correct" it then they cause two new problems. Govt can't create prosperity, people do.
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Frank P. Crane says
Yes, it is a reasonable policy but didn't you hear Senator Mitch McConnell say it was the Republican Congressal agenda to make Obama a one-term president? How would negotiating with Obama and giving him a win furthered their goal?
But if you have an opinion, Dawnmars, say it! We are amongst friends here and hopefully non judgmental friends. What do you think? If you aren't up to the latest information, by all means, pass on your opinion, but if you have an opinion, say it!
Fair enough. Although in my opinion in the USA the governmental administration seems to be more powerful and unfathomable than any political figure at any given time of office. This is not realy an attack on Obama. Just an observation from outside.
You are right. The bureaucracy has a mind of its own. Administrators create their own dictatorships. That and the struggle for power is the problem with any government.
Well since we are moving towards world government and world currency you'd better get in the conversation.
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