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   ESPeck1919posted 9 years ago

   Why do some men think it's ok pressure women to give in to their desires after she turned him down?
   
   Of course, this happens to more people than only women, but women seem to be the primary targets for unwanted touching, aggressive 'flirting' and other forms of potentially frightening street harassment. Why is behavior still seen as ok by so many people?

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   jonaiveposted 9 years ago

   Well, a simple answer would be because we live in a society that permits that kind of behavior, often towards women. It's just that we (most of us, at least) are socialized into thinking that women are only instruments for men's sexual desires. I'm not saying this is the correct way of thinking but it is the most common. And sure, feminism has had a lot of advancemets in the past decades but let's just admit that it is mostly going nowhere. And it probably won't go forward anytime soon unless a revolutionary attitude shift is realized.

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      ESPeck1919posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Very true!

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   Alastar Packerposted 9 years ago

   That's right that men can be pressured too, E.S. But it's usually more with what some women think is se*y phrasing than touching. How does demographics and geography apply to the rude men I wonder as we don't seem to have a lot of that behavior in professional settings down here. At least you don't see it on the local news too much. Maybe in the lower strata with crack w*ores and the like. As to a solution for the female sufferers, how about the time-tested slap across the face or if all else fails a strategically placed kick to the groin area?...not that women should have to do those things.

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      ESPeck1919posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Harassment transgresses social lines, but many women don't talk about it. Media doesn't cover it because it's not a money maker, and most women don't like being violated in that way. A slap or kick often does nothing more than enrage the guy.

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      Alastar Packerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      how about martial arts classes to repel the enraged. Or just not being around those types in the first place. Woe to any violator of women around here who has brothers, male friends or kin.

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      ESPeck1919posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Martial arts do help, but they don't work in all cases. It happens everywhere, even in stores and restaurants, so there's no avoiding it. Most harassers don't see consequences of their actions. Have you talked to women in your life about this issue?

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      Alastar Packerposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Can't recall one ever bringing it up...your probably right some hide it. Wish there was a solution, ES.

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      ESPeck1919posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed, Alastar. This is one of those things that needs to be talked about, studied and taken more seriously than it currently is. Thanks for the conversation.

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   wmhoward4posted 9 years ago

   We used to have a culture where men always treated a woman as a "lady." Proper courting was essential and socially enforced. Ladies dressed as ladies and men behaved as gentlemen. This separated us from the animals.
   
   However, now the culture has changed. When the above is rejected, many will take things too far and act like wolves in mating season. This does not make harrassment OK. Unfortunately, TV and movies put sex as the constant theme and each generation slides the norms to a lower level. Young people are taught that agressive men are doing what comes via biological evolution. Unfortunately, they are not taught that chivalry was a high point of social evolution.

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      ESPeck1919posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Chivalry has its good points, but the idea of the passive female being taken care of the strong male is part of the problem. Why not teach our young people to treat everyone with respect and embrace diversity? You do have a point on movies/tv.

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      wmhoward4posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      ES...  We are in a trend where once you reject one social norm the next 1/2 generation or so will bring that down a notch.  For example, who ever thought leading music would sell calling women B's and Ho's ? and why do young girls accept the title?

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      ESPeck1919posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      The old double standard of promiscuous women being horrible, while men who do the same thing are seen as virile plays a roll. I feel we have the power to change norms for the better through example. I think I'll write a hub about this, actually.

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