What do you love most about the United States?

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Nickny79posted 15 years ago
Firstly, God bless America, our troops and their families.

It's very fashionable for the socialist nitwits to bash the United States. I want to hear what it is you love about the US most. Where are the patriots?
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  Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I love your fair-minded tolerance of socialist nitwits.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I love how your god only blesses Americans and the people that wonderful christian nation pays to kill people for the oil companies.
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh come on, the socialist nitwits are AT LEAST as patriotic as you. We just happen to think, for example, that it's more patriotic to make sure that all Americans have access to reasonable health insurance than to send our kids and fathers and brothers (and mothers and sisters) off to die in wars that should never have been started in the first place.
  
  You guys have been howling for weeks about the $70/hr salaries the auto unions get. It hasn't penetrated your skull yet that those "salaries" are mostly health and retirement benefits that those socialist nitwit German and Japanese governments pay their citizens so their car companies don't have to? And you wonder why they're more competitive than ours!
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know how cheerleaders are, Kerry. Cute, but not given to long explanations or fond of subtle shadings or even knowledgeable of their own faults. Rah, rah, rah! Sigh...
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LITA YOU WRONG...UG. Unless you are referring to all those mindless drones that supported our new president elect--a president elected on slogans and no substance. I am appalled how uninformed most democrats are here in NY. They can't even tell me what Obama stands for. "He stands for change!" "Change what?" "BUSH BAD MAN...UG."
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh... Don't get all mad! As much as you dish it out all over the forums...
  
  OK... America had the most vibrant art movement ever in the history of the world during the 40's & 50's & 60's--totally changing everything for better or worse, who knows yet? That's somewhat non-political...
  
  I also like the fact we are so vast & varied culturally--a real strength.
  
  And, to add to the last part you just wrote in--Well, OF course there are a lot of mindless drone democrats--especially if you are talking about college students. Are you? To them, especially if it is popular, its just kinda a fashion they are putting on at that point.
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. I agree.
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That may be, but those of us from the red states have to work a little harder on our liberalism, so kindly don't tar us with the same brush. Hell yeah I read everything I could get my hands on about Barack Obama, and hell yeah I have my reservations. But the alternative was unimaginably worse.
  
  Ralph, is that the real you? You look like my grandfather! I would almost think you were him, because you two would agree, I suspect, on just about everything political, but he was originally a Hoosier and has lived in Washington state since he got out of the Army in the 50's.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  First-- Tom, I completely agree with what you said, but I think we as a country are about 100 years this kind of freedom. It is on its way, though, guaranted...
  
  Kerry--I did massive amounts of reading on both Obama and McCain. Choice was nothing but clear. I do not have reservations at all on Obama--in any realistic job interview he would always get the job, all political affiliations aside.
  
  My partner has business dealings with some of McCain's 'money guys.' All I can say is Mr. Burns of the Simpsons (oooh, that's too close to nomenclature reality!) scary.
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lita once again impresses us with substance.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you being a smart @ss? I use a lot of common language, but I do make decisions based on consideration.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Where are the "socialist nitwits?" Who are the "socialist nitwits?" Are you referring to Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez? Or possibly George W. Bush? (Who some GOPers want to write out of the Republican Party).
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nice new avatar, Ralph! You look like my friend Ron Ikan, a writer from Iowa City, IA, no lie... Ever been through there?
  
  Bush the Younger should be written out of any affiliation with America, period.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, but I didn't stop long enough to run into Ron Ikan. I've read about the Iowa U. writer's workshop. In fact a college friend went there for grad work. Herb Donow, whom I've lost track of. Maybe I'll google him to see if he ever published!
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree, W. is a socialist nitwit as well. Good observation.
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  allshookupposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  God Bless America! We pray daily for our troops and their families and friends. In our service this week, we had a speical part of it. One of our members is leaving for Afganistan this next week. The preacher brought him up and anionted him and laid hands on him and all of us went up and prayed over him for his safey and strength. It was a great service. Not a dry eye in the house. He's 20 years old. He'll be gone until at least December. We always have special prayer for our nation and our troops and our leaders every service we have.
  
  What I love about this country is the ideals it was founded on. I cherish our freedom. I love that our money has 'In God We Trust' on it. That we can worship God freely, have the freedom to protect ourselves and our property, to speak our minds, to raise our children as we wish, to stand with pride and salute our flag, pretty much to live like we want. To dream and fufill those dreams. I thank God that I was born in America!! And if necessary, I will die to defend her.
  
  Great idea for a thread Nick.
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  Zarm Nefilinposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What I love about the US most is that the majority of people elected Obama.
  
  What I love about the US is that many of our Founding Fathers like Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine had no love of the clergy and were far from the servile, fawning, and nationalistic idiots that inhabit the Religious Right. They forged our Great Country by viciously engaging the British Imperialists till they left our shores.
  
  What I love about the US is our Flag and what it stands for (including our post-enlightenment Revolutionary colors), and how nothing it stands for can ever be monopolized by practitioners of priestcraft and their servile, fawning followers who spread false patriotism and nationalism.
  
  What I love is the fact that everyone in this Great Nation is still free to practice any religion, including Islam should they so choose, because we have freedom of religion.
  
  What I love is the fact that the press can criticize the Republican GOP even after it got tooled by George Bush, because we still have Freedom of the Press.
  
  What I love is the fact that terrorism is something that can be prosecuted against anyone who chooses to engage in it, including nationalists on the Religious Right.
  
  What I love is the fact that the Men and Women who died for our country and to serve our country didn't do it for the Christian Jesus all the time, but they did ALWAYS do it for our Great Country America and the ideals it stands for apart from any one religion.
  
  These are things I love about my country.
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  t.keeleyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll second that, but be prepared for the flood that is to follow this comment, as correct as it is...without Paine. the USA would not exist as it does today!
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Nickny79posted 15 years ago
Still waiting for the patriots.
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  Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is an international site. You might as well wait for the founding fathers
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Patriots. Isn't that a rugby team or something?
  
  Well, I say rugby but they wear body armor like a bunch of sissies.
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Tom Rubenoffposted 15 years ago
Mirriam Webster defines patriotism as "love or devotion for one's country", meaning 'nation', I assume. How does one express love of country? It has been said there is no greater love than the laying down of one's life. Therefore soldiers would have the greatest opportunity to show the greatest level of patriotism. Yet soldiers can only show patriotism in war? Is there no other way to show love of country?

I recently saw the movie, "Milk", about Harvey Milk, who used the rights of free speech and freedom to assemble and the democratic electoral process to combat discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation because he felt that everyone in America deserved an equal shot at the American dream. He said "If a bullet should go through my head let that bullet go through every closet door.” He was assassinated as he seemed to expect he would be. In effect, he was ready to give his life for the cause of freedom.

To me, America stands for freedom. Freedom is only possible if there is justice. Justice is only possible if there is equal treatment under the law. In a nation of true equality, no group of people would be singled out to take the blame for the problems of the country. We should start voting for ideas instead of ideologies. We should stop name-calling. We should become one people.

If Harvey Milk exhibited the ultimate courage, then scape-goating is an example of the ultimate cowardice. If you want someone to blame, look in the mirror before you look at your neighbor.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
"Unless you are referring to all those mindless drones that supported our new president elect--a president elected on slogans and no substance. I am appalled how uninformed most democrats are here in NY. They can't even tell me what Obama stands for. "He stands for change!" "Change what?" "BUSH BAD MAN...UG."

And Nick-- I don't think you caught this earlier, but are you referring to mainly the college & artsy crowd, etc. that hangs out down by NYU and the V Voice down there?? If so, I do know what you are talking about.. You begin to realize, to them, especially if it is 'popular,' its just kinda a fashion they are putting on at that point, not about ideas.

So that it isn't about liberals vs. conservatives at all, but just dumbness...
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, exactly. For every dumb liberal who supported Obama because it's currently fashionable to hate Republicans, I can show you a conservative who thinks Obama is a socialist. Or the Anti-Christ. There are idiots on both sides and there are people who made educated, considered decisions on both sides. Lumping all Obama supporters or all McCain supporters into the same category is pointless, divisive, and completely out of touch with reality.
  
  The choice between Obama and McCain was certainly nothing but clear for me, but I considered voting for a third party candidate for a time. The reading I did over the summer about his history and policies convinced me that Obama was worth supporting for his own sake, however. My reservations were (and are) in relation to candidates from third parties.
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
I like the fact that in America you can call people you disagree with "nitwits" and you don't get hauled off to prison and tortured.

Oops... Maybe I spoke too soon...

Gitmo is still open for business and Cheney just admitted to approving waterboarding and also admitted he feels pretty good about it. I guess it all depends on who is doing the calling and who is playing the "nitwit."

Anybody here have a spare shoe?
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Nickny79posted 15 years ago
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  Pestposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bingo, I couldn't agree more. How about bailing out big business with billions. A simple million dollar check to each citizen would truly make us the richest nation and would turly nail out the blue collars that work so hard to make the billion bail out possible. Other than that I like the fact that most of us have straight white teeth,
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
OUch. Are the two of you latest twins? Or maybe alpha and wingman (I'll let you fight out which is which).

FYI, Republican graffiti NOT good around pgrundy. She has been known to verbally destruct many a big spray-painted Red pictograph with very well-aimed verbal assaults.
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ROTFL!!!
  
  Lita, you say the nicest things!
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
As a former cheerleader I'm offended by the dismissive comments about my um, depth. I'm proud to be a socialist nitwit. And I'm as patriotic as anybody here on HubPages -- just ask Lita or PGrundy. They'll defend me! For example, I think America has the coolest national anthem and I think it's super, super cool that we won so many medals in the Beijing Olympics. And if you really want to know what makes this nation great, just grab yourself a Bud Lite and listen to some of Nashville's finest (but not the Dixie Chicks cuz they're subversive).
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can totally vouch for the patrioticness of MM and Lita. They are rabidly patriotic, both of them, just like me.
  
  Maybe someone will come out with a blood test for it.
  
  Then we will be vindicated at last.
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Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago
Never been to the US, but I would be grateful if you could send over a crate of Jack Daniels

I love JD.
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Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago
I love N America. She is bountiful with the life she provides and shares with us.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
LOL, Mighty Mom. You are soooo funny and such a diplomat, in such a subversive kinda way. I like--no-- I love that. USA! USA!

Sufi-- Don't you have some good Ouzo or something to drink over there?
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know me too well, Lita - I am a great believer that water is merely a poor substitute for alcohol.
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goldentoadposted 15 years ago
Humorously with an ounce of truth, I think the best thing about America is the running water and a toilet that works everywhere you go. I've been to other places and sometimes those things were either non-existent or problematic.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Goldentoad -- you raise a good point. And don't forget the quality of the toilet PAPER here in the US. Far superior to anywhere else on the planet.
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We need it, we're heavy eaters!
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
The big part of the planet does not use toilet paper at all. They use water, which is way healthier
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't feel comfortable with a spray up my butt, but that's just me.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  When you get older and get anus problems like hemorrhoid or cracks, you'll feel the difference
  
  BTW, it took me a long time to get used to splashes up my butt - it still puzzles me why you guys adopted that style of crappers over here
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goldentoadposted 15 years ago
I think the best thing about America, seriously, is that the core of America believes in the right to reach for higher ideals. We often fail in that pursuit of liberty, happiness, and equality, but we never give up on it.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
That would never fly out here in Kali-fornia where water is a precious commodity needed to hydrate crops. Maybe we should look into a system that uses Jack Daniels. I've been told alcohol kills germs...
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
From cheerleaders to Dixie Chicks to Jack Daniels to top quality TP to clean washed butt cracks...

This truly is the diversity and depth of America. Brings a patriotic tear to my eye....truly.
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Americans always aim for the highest of standards! I've been thinking lately what I actually miss about America, there was something different about it growing up, it seems as that though we technologically advance, we are leaving something behind, and I can't put my finger on it.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
I agree with you on that. America did seem different growing up. I think we've lost our innocence (especially post-9/11) and our intellectual edge. I'm not here to argue whether America ever was intellectually superior to other nations -- but whatever status we once enjoyed is much reduced.
Lita -- Hell yeah! You just wave that flag like nobody's business, y'hear, gal? Hoo ha!
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t.keeleyposted 15 years ago
I feel unpatriotic sentiment is what started this forum altogether.

The odd ball phrase that my 9 year old brother could have imagined noted as "socialist nitwits" is about as brilliant as the 4th Shrek movie will be.

Besides, what is patriotism beyond nationalism anymore? Everything "patriotic" that right-wingers toss out at lefties is simply unbridled, illogical nationalism.
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TheMoneyGuyposted 15 years ago
I love America because it is my home and the home of my Ancestors for longer than anyone truly knows. I love her because she is the home of Nani Waya. I love her because she feeds my family and comforts me and provides a resting place for my Grandmother and hers and hers. I chose to defend her for that very reason. As my ancestors have been fighting Terrosists on this continent since 1492.

TMG
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  pgrundyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's a 500 year resistance (more, I guess, now). The fat lady ain't sung yet. I believe that.
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well said. You and your forefathers are great Americans for taming a continent of savages and transforming a jungle into a land of plenty. His will be done.
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  t.keeleyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  WTF??????
  
  Anyone else wonder what this is even trying to portray?
  
  Yeah, Americans would have died without the natives, that's been proven ten times over. America would be dead if the irish never immigrated here to win the civil war, build the railroads, and launch the industrial revolution. Hell, without the french in the Revolution, we'd have our arses handed to us on a plate.
  
  "His will" be done is very ignorant to say in this case.
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Er, last time I checked, the Choctaw and other Indian nations were the first people here, so I'm not sure exactly what "savages" or what "jungle" you're saying they tamed. America has always been a land of plenty. If you were really patriotic, you would know that.
  
  Here, you can start by learning about Nani Waya.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
Whoa! TMG. Waxing poetic on us....

Seriously...Native American kinda cadences. Is actually quite nice.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
America already was a land of plenty before "we" arrived to tame her. The natives gave us much more than we gave them. Well, unless you count reservations, alcoholism and casinos!!

PGrundy -- rabidly patriotic. ROFLMAO! That's us. Frothing at the mouth, Dancing the jingoism jig. So giddy with nationalistic spirit we just wanna bite somebody!
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
Nick--Thou Shalt Not Insult Thy Fans (ie, TMG)--or Even Thy Would-Be Fans. One of the 10 commandments or the Cardinal Rules here at Hubpages.... Now, mind you, remember, there will be a test at the end of the day.

Just look what you have done! Pgrundy, MM and me are just getting all frothy at the mouth with patriotism. Now do ya really want that???

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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There was no mocking of TMG--just giving the hornet's nest a little stir.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Hmm. Sounds like some of us have our tongues tucked firmly in our well-fed American cheeks, whereas others are shooting from the hip (also a very American approach to human interaction). And the beauty is, all posts are 100% protected by the First Amendment -- and if that fails, the ACLU (uh oh -- there, I went and said the four-letter "A" word). God Bless America!!!
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Mishaposted 15 years ago
*getting pop-corn and making himself comfortable*
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allshookupposted 15 years ago
Oops, I left out another of our freedoms we have, the freedom to be passive-agressive.
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Another great American. Thanks for the contribution. I'm glad to see there are at least a few here who are not socialist nitwits.
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  allshookupposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nick, you know my stand on government involvement in our lives. The less the better!
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unless it involves telling people who they can or can not marry, of course. Or preventing rape victims from getting access to emergency contraception to prevent pregnancy. Or hey, how about forcing them to bear their rapist's child against their will?
  
  Hope you're enjoying your popcorn over there, Misha.
  
  ETA:
  
  ~rereads~
  
  Yup, Lita, definitely frothy.
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  allshookupposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I said that I don't like them telling us what to do. I want us to have the freedom to do what we want to do without their input. What I do or who I marry is no one's business but mine and whoever I marry and God's. (Or married as is my case, 19 and a half years ago)
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, so you do support the legalization of gay marriage then. Excellent!
  
  MM, I'm sure you're mistaken. Those savages and their jungle couldn't possibly have contributed anything productive to modern American society, like corn, or the US Constitution. Obviously your socialist beliefs have caused your brain to dribble out your ears.
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  allshookupposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Might want to be careful putting words into other's people's mouths because it makes you look like you don't know what you're talking about. I not going to suppport something that goes against what God says. I have a strong feeling you know this and you are trying to make an argument. I'm not up for playing your game today. I answered Nick's question. That's all I feel like I owe on this thread. I don't know why y'all are trying to make his question into this huge thing unless you just enjoy trying to make people argue and get under their skin because you don't like what they believe. Nick saw my answer to his question. And he's the reason I give it. I feel he was honestly wanting to know the answer. But, he seems to be one of the only ones on the thread who wants that. Sad.
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have to say that I'm astonded how most of the posts in this thread show not a shred of gratitude or patriotism for the Liberties that have made such a conversation even possible. The only freedom of speech Marxists protect is Marxist speech.
  
  No further justifications for the Marxists! you said your peace, and it was well said. They will never allow a quiet corner for patriots.
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  allshookupposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Nick, It's sad to me that your thread has turned into this. Ironic that many people have bled and died to give them the rights to do this huh? Thank you for appreciating our service men and women for doing this. And I 'd like to thank every person who is in service for our country and our vets and the families of all who have served and are serving now. THANK YOU!! You are in our prayers. We owe you so much more than we can ever repay! Please please know there are many of us who are very grateful to you for what you do!!
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Of course I know that. But you said you don't believe the government has the right to dictate who you can and can not marry, so why should it be allowed to dictate who my homosexual friends and relatives can and cannot marry? That's all I'm saying.
  
  If you really believed in freedom as sincerely as you claim you do, you would support the legalization of gay marriage. That does not mean you support gay marriage itself, just that you support the freedom for those who do to conduct it.
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A freedom loving people isn't a free to do whatever happens to strike its fancy...I suppose after we legalize gay marriage, we should then move on to legalize incest, bestiality and whatever other perversions the human imagination can devise.
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are familiar with the concept of consenting adults? Animals cannot legally give consent. Neither can underage children.
  
  Geez, I'm embarrassed to be explaining this to a lawyer.
  
  And a freaking classics scholar. That may be the part that gets me most. What the frak do you think Socrates was going on about in the Symposium?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm thinking all filtered through Catholicism, as I know a Catholic upbringing when I see one, being of the same 'tradition' myself....
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's my guess, too, but the mental disconnect is crazy.
  
  Especially when combined with the degree of his conservatism. How anyone can read the Greeks and Romans and be that conservative is mystifying me! Not having been to Catholic schools, I'm assuming there was some rather impressive abridging and reinterpretation involved, like that horrible Troy movie a few years back. Achilles and Patroclus weren't having rampant b-u-t-t-s-e-x, they were cousins! Didn't you know?
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Incest between two adults who have reached the age of majority is also illegal; so is bigamy; so is the sale of drugs between two consenting adults...and if knew even a shred about Plato, you'd know he was strongly against sodomy (read the Phaedrus)...and Plato's speech of Aristophanes in the Symposium was a SATIRE and not an endorsement of homosexuality (Aristophanes wrote satirical comedy) and Socrates rejected the homosexual advances of Alcibiades in the Symposium (trying reading it).
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He always gets ya on small points of fact, Kerry, but the large arguments do not hold up well. Many who know, know this.
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The government has reasonable reasons that hold up under the First Amendment separation of church and state for forbidding incest - namely, the increased probability of birth defects. Likewise with (most) illegal drugs.
  
  Bigamy I can't argue, because I'm inclined to think it should be legalized. If it's legal and aboveground it might be easier to prevent those FLDS freaks from raping 13 year olds. When it's between consenting adults, well, I don't necessarily see the harm (bigamy, not monogamy, has been the prevalent system for much of human history in much of the world), although it would definitely not be my cup of tea, and because I do believe, unlike you, that the government should stay out of the business of consenting adults as much as possible, I'll support it until I see a logical reason not to, though it's pretty near the bottom of issues I'd bother to be active about!
  
  I am quite aware of Plato's position on sodomy, Aristophanes's preferred style of writing, and Socrates's rejection of Alcibiades, and I have read the Symposium. Doesn't change my question.
  
  ETA: Lita, I'm hurt! Did you really think I was done?
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm all for bestiality.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  COOL! Goldentoad, is that satire, passive aggressive behavior, or just plain ol reality for you? lol.
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't try to understand the gay lifestyle, but I'm for the right of all perversions of two consenting adults, beast or human.
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  t.keeleyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL
  
  I was wondering when someone would point this type of thing out!
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's HARD to point stuff out to them, t.keeley!!!! They see in graffiti--you know, it helps if you use big colorful crayons, too...
  
  OOOOh, I'm sorry! Satire. Satire.
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  t.keeleyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I really only see in crayon, or else I'm blind to it... Yeah yeah, satire smatire...it's all I speak anymore!
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Except preventing it, obviously.
  
  I'm ordinarily supportive of states rights, but when idiots like you are around ranting about "partial birth dismemberment" it's obvious the federal government needs to step in if doctors are going to be free to save women's lives. That procedure accounts for less than 1% of all abortions and is nearly always done to save the woman's life or in cases of severe birth defects. No lungs-level birth defects. Why do you want to take away the freedom of doctors to conduct procedures that they fell will be most beneficial to the health of their patients?
  
  I think rapists should be castrated with butter knives. They're one of a very select group of people for whom I wish the "cruel and unusual punishment" clause of the Constitution did not apply. However, EVERYBODY deserves a fair trial, and the notion that anybody does not is the single most unAmerican belief I know.
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sit in the criminal courts of a Blue State, and then you can tell me what you think a "fair" trial is.
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  That's your only counter argument? Seriously?
  
  Dude, I'm disappointed. I expected better from a classics scholar.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
Misha-- So glad our 'politics' here on the forum in this greeeeeat country is worthy of you eating Movie Popcorn. !!!

ASU--There is a difference between well-spoken satire and passive aggressive behavior,

Nick--Yeah, I still haven't decided whether you are just an evil little 'marketing' puti, or sometimes you just don't make any sense.

MM--I'm feeling frothy... I think Kerry is, too.

LOL
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Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago
*joining Misha for some popcorn*
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Hey guys, let's not forget who we have to thank for that popcorn you are enjoying! That's right. The original Americans.
Yep, Lita and Kerry. I'm feeling frothy too. I think I need to go wrap myself in an American flag and calm my patriotic self down.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
OH! Just realized what 'puti' means in some other languages. OMG ! Must be relatively politically correct, even with Right-O's. I meant small, impish mean cherub, I think in Italian, like in Renaissance paintings.

Damn public education!

I think we should all make miniskirts outa American flags and desecrate away!

Pass me some a that native popcorn, MM....
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
I totally agree that our federal government has its priorities upside down. They really should be spending ALL their time and money bailing out failed capitalist ventures like Wall Street, AIG and the Big 3 automakers. Since that is the foundation of our country, that is what's priority #1. Their other important job is to invade countries that have not harmed us (but that do happen to have a direct pipeline to oil -- which America needs an unlimited supply of). The government should have no involvement in its citizens' daily lives.
Nick, I agree with you that more decisions need to be made at the state level. In fact, ALL decisions should be made at the state level. Then instead of the UNITED States of America we could be the LOOSELY CONFEDERATED AMALGAM of America. Oh wait -- we already tried that in the 1860s. Darn. Too bad all those red states didn't get their way back then.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
I admit, that last WAS a little passive aggressive of me. But when nothing else works....
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
For those who are genuinely interested in Native Americans' contributions to our society: ftp://ftp-fc.sc.egov.usda.gov/MI/AI/Con … ndians.pdf

Lita, I think ASU meant me in her comment about passive-aggressive. But you know, all us socialist nitwits are interchangeable:-). Actually, great idea for a hub -- how to tell if something is brilliant satire or just garden variety passive-aggressive behavior.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
MM--
I know she meant you were passive/aggressive, MM, but I stick by my homies!!

I think the fight is over (?)

OH! No, here comes Kerry....
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
Sit in trial in ANY state, Nick!

<Tearing shirt and hair with exasperation> It's not a valid argument to make it Blue vs. Red.... That's just graffiti...

Auguggugh...
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Nick Wrote: Sit in the criminal courts of a Blue State, and then you can tell me what you think a "fair" trial is.

Hey. I watch all three versions of Law & Order, all of which take place in New York City. New York is a BLUE state. I watch Boston Legal, which also takes place in a BLUE state. And the trials in all of these shows are 100% true to the system. Are you telling me trials are more "fair" in RED states? And if so, show me some evidence.

Lita -- thanks, girl. We homies need to hang or we be hanged.
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  Nickny79posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You're quite right...I stand corrected...how could I forget Law & Order and Boston Legal?!
  
  My evidence is of an experiential nature, which I highly encourage you to experience as well, sit through a few hearings, read some motions, hear some real cross examinations and then we'll talk.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Um, you know not to whom you speak, sir.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
FYI, ASU-
My partner is a highly decorated former army officer who fought and bled for his country. He would still get the gist of what this has been about on the forum for me and the homies (just a little levity) here.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
See, people? This is exactly what is so beautiful about our homeland. We can discourse freely about Plato, Socrates or bestiality without the fear of the government telling us to stop or hauling us off to prison -- or even to one of those horrible blue state courtrooms Nick seems to think everyone ought to experience. Is that the sign of a great country, or what???

ASU -- I could be wrong, and I know Nick will correct me if I am misinterpreting, but... if he truly intended this hub to be straightforward and pro-patriotic, he most likely would not have started out using the words "socialist nitwits" in his opening post. Just a thought...
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He also wanted to know where the Patriots were, I'd be happy to inform him they did not make the playoffs this year, he can catch them next season
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  allshookupposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Go Mannings!!!!
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
Kerry--I think Nick's 'conservatism' is a protection device, frankly... Or marketing device!

Nick--Just to let you know, cuz doubt if you will go ahead and read some of her hubs, etc., but MM worked with like, real life lawyers, and stuff, and is even a blue state former New Yorker.

MM--Oh, yeah, that nitwit comment. Way to p*ss off the MAJORITY of leftos on hubpages...
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
It's true. There's a nice, reasonably newly built stadium in Foxboro, MA that already serves nicely as a home to the Patriots. Problem is, it's in a blue state.
As so often happens to me in these threads, I've lost sight of what we're supposed to be talking about. Wasn't it something about what we believe makes America a great country? Well, now that we're talking football...
Ok -- here's a couple of recent examples. I love it that anything can happen here. Things are NOT so scheduled and predictable as to be regulated with utmost certainty. You know, that kind of rigid assuredness that borders on smugness.
I love that despite a season of being bashed and underestimated by know-it-all announcers, western teams such as Cal, USC and Utah can beat east coast teams like Miami, Penn State and Alabama respectively.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
Kerry--
Well, you can try it, but I already had a go around about education with him--and seriously--what's gonna happen is he'll just start ignoring what you say...

Monkey say no evil, hear no evil, see no evil.... lol

Sorry, Nick, really--but you know, if you can't beat us, you can join us--at least moving a little more to the center may be healthy. ??
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I know, but I stopped following my favorite conservative community on LiveJournal a couple months before the election because I was wasting too much time arguing with morons and apparently I've missed it.
  
  It'll be fun while it lasts.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
lol, Nick--It might also get you more girls in NYC, ? That might be good, right? hehe

MM--you know, being that sophisticated sounding is always going to get you in trouble with those who think you are talking about football... Just a fact.
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Nickny79posted 15 years ago
Ok kiddies, play nicely while I'm gone. Try not to muck up my thread too much.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  See, told ya Kerry. I think he's leaving to find some hot republican women there in NYC. Undoubtedly. Eh, it's been a highly entertaining fight, just can't take Catholic school boy lawyers tooooo seriously. Which I won't from now on!
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hot republican women, is there such a thing?
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sarah
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe if she kept her mouth shut, the McCain campaign was right to try that
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, her daughter is even hawter, and she did not say a word
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is a debate I'm sure ol Levi "the new son in law" is having. Something about those glasses of Sarah.
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SparklingJewelposted 15 years ago
I love living in the US! You have access to just about every degree (the full 360) of consciousness (or lack thereof!)of people from around the world imaginable. A majority of that may be through the internet, but knowing that physical access is there available whenever I want to go get the "full experience" is satisfying knowledge.
AND here is the only place where there is an understanding of patriotism that is genuinely unique, I mean the Christian/conservative one. The mix between the understandings of Christ (or mis-understandings as the case may be) and patriotism of the Founding Fathers is sooo clear to some and so not to others...and I still don't believe anyone is Truely clear!
AND I appreciate that because it gives me continual reasons to ponder the unity in our diversity, its really not as cut and dry as some tend to think, be they liberal or conservative.
I try to find the middle way, a common ground, where all are helping each other and not at odds about so many things.
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Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago
Forget the Jack Daniels - the best thing about the US is the tough, intelligent and formidable women!
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, but they go better with Jack Daniels
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can vouch for that.
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Does that work for bestiality?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Can't say for sure - never been tempted, but in my experience everything goes better with Jack Daniels
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'll check with some of my cousins from the ranch
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Somebody knows how to sweet talk a girl!
  
  Several, in fact.
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If only I could do that in the 'real world', instead of turning into a gibbering wreck.
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  There is nothing about it that a fair amount of JD can't fix
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is there anything that JD cannot do? Marvellous stuff.
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So it seems for once, we are all agreed.
  
  What we love most about the US is the JD.....
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Lechery, sir, it provokes, and unprovokes; it provokes the desire, but it takes away the performance: therefore, much drink may be said to be an equivocator with lechery: it makes him, and it mars him; it sets him on, and it takes him off; it persuades him, and disheartens him; makes him stand to, and not stand to; in conclusion, equivocates him in a sleep, and, giving him the lie, leaves him.
  
  But then, I take my cranberry juice and vodka without the vodka, so perhaps I wouldn't know.
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Careful, folks. Nickny asked us not to mess his hub up whilst he was away. Who is going to clean up before he gets back?
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  kerrygposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pfft.
  
  I usually do the opposite of what I'm told.
  
  Anybody up for some mudwrestling?
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  Mishaposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL I was actually talking about ability to sweet talk to girls
  
  The rest is your vivid imagination
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Darn. I guess we've got no choice now but to break out the JD and talk football for reals:-).
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm down for that! One of the best things about America is when we all talk trash about each other's team and then on one Sunday we all sit down together, fart, burp, and laugh about ourselves, our teams, and forget for a moment our silly political divisions
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  Sufidreamerposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Same in the UK and Greece
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VioletSunposted 15 years ago
I love the opportunities we have in America regardless of race, gender and handicap. Granted its not perfect, but I do think we have a better chance to have a better quality life here, if we desire this. I am speaking from experience.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
I know exactly where Nick's gone. Check out his hub on being an alpha male. Now that he's established his dominance here in the forum, he's off to make a conquest with the unsuspecting debs of the upper east side. Why am I reminded of The Preppie Murder?
http://hubpages.com/hub/Attraction-In-Action
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  goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not the philosophy master as Nick is, but it seems that he is trying to compensate for other failures,I gave up trying to be the smartest guy in the room, that guy never gets laid. And the last thing I wanted to do with chicks when I was single was debate them, no thanks ma'am, I think I'll skip that mental blow job, thank you though.
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Mighty Momposted 15 years ago
Goldentoad, You are definitely an Alpha Male of HP. I bet you're an excellent mudwrestler, too. But it seems my homies Lita and Kerry have gone off, so I think it's best we leave Nick's hub neat and tidy as he requested.
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Leta Sposted 15 years ago
The weird thing is-- And fair is fair, if we are gonna talk about 'hawt' women, and the male gaze --'ol Nick is kinda hot:

http://hubpages.com/profile/Nicholas+Moccia

He sorta introduced himself (or something) to a couple of us.

So! I don't know what his issue is!

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  VioletSunposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, he is hot. If I had a much younger sister or a daughter, I wouldn't mind matching them up. Boy, I feel so "deep", and not shallow. hehe.
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