Heeeere We Go aGain, agAin, Again, AGAIN

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   gmwilliamsposted 10 years ago

   
   While it is quite natural to have disagreements, we should at least be civil about it However, this is a point missed by some people.  Some people seem NEVER to let disagreements alone, they prefer to troll, harangue, and harass those in the forum and question section to make their point ad infinitum.   Etiquette and manners dictate that when one disagrees, he/she should do so civilly, respectfully, and tastefully!   Trolling is unprofessional/immature behavior and displays a lack of good manners!  Let's discuss this!
   

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      gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      
      Good to express an opinion!
      
      You're WRONG as usual.   Heeere's WHY...........
      
      I have a RIGHT to post/express an opinion.  What GIVES.......
      
      EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE has a DARN right to express and says what NEEDS to be SAID, HEAR me!
      
      NOOOOO, they DON'T and I will SEE to THAT.........
      
      Oh God NO, IT CAN'T BE.......IT CAN'T BE......when will THIS end!!!!!
      
      And there ISN'T anything YOU can do about it neither...........Let's the games BEGIN..........
      
      I'M in for the count, AREN'T you?   I like THIS........
      
      OH NO, YOU DON'T............

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      paradigmsearchposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkAVfsw5xSQ

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   DamienAlexanderposted 10 years ago

   I recently experienced the flip side of this; where I was quite respectly deconstructing someone's rant even though to be perfectly honest it was a load of bullshit. The author had a lot of fun threatening me and then carrying out his threat by deleting my 'off topic' posts when in fact they were more on topic than virtually anything else on the entire page. And then he let some random's post literally only there to personally attack me stay while deleting my response which was both on topic and also partially a defense of myself.
   
   Lesson learnt, though: just because this is a place for the (supposedly) educated to share and discuss ideas doesn't mean that anyone necessarily knows an idea or a logical argument even if they were bitten on the ass by them.
   
   Other lesson of course is to avoid fanatics, specifically loony Tea Partyists...

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      gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      There are ALL kinds, ALL kinds.   There are some people who are not used to amiable discourse.  Disagreements are par for the course but please disagree amicably!
      

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         Phyllis Doyleposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Yes! A good, amiable, debate can be beneficial to all sides -- but, abuse and harassment must stop. You go, GM, I am with you.

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   Cardisaposted 10 years ago

   I have been trying to come up with a suggestion/solution idea for HP to manage people who have been banned. Most of these people return to harass other hubbers. One such case was last week when someone called out the forum Queen. I thought it was supposed to be a fun thread, but, the OP was banned previously, came back with another name and avatar saying they've been here two years but never came in the forums. Of course our Beth saw right through them and now they are banned again.
   This has got to stop. There needs to be a way to control these trolls. It's far too easy to register here. HP has got to stop thinking so much about making money and focus more on the quality of the site.

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      Phyllis Doyleposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I saw that thread, too, and also thought it was for fun -- but, the OP called out Beth just to harass her. I agree strongly, Cardisa, that this kind of thing must stop. I think the forums should be for hubbers of good standing who have written at least 50 hubs.

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         Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         Hmm.  Written or published? 
         
         I ask because prior to last year, I had published around 70 hubs, but took down a lot because I wanted to revamp.  I'm an active forum participant.  A threshold of 50 hubs would knock me out.
         
         That would be sad.
         
         

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            gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            YOU'RE OKAY, MO!

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               Motown2Chitownposted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Phew! Thanks.  I was worried for a second. 

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         GA Andersonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         ...and at least 5 personal reference affidavits from established hubbers attesting to our good character, 2 of which must include GMWilliams and Cardisa.
         
         ... and only right-handed hubbers should be allowed also.
         
         
         
         ps. you folks do know you can start your own private G+ and Facebook groups/forums and only allow like-minded souls don't you?
         
         GA

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      jansharesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the heads up on that forum, Cardisa. I had no idea about that OP. But apparently, Beth did from the jump. Lesson learned: stand clear of joking around too much, and of course, toxic discourse in the forums. I try to avoid them like the plague. Thanks, gmwilliams.

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         Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I should have known better. I usually check out a hubber before replying to a post but the avatar looked so familiar. He/she tricked me by using an avatar of someone who is here on HP.

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         Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I hope you wont avoid the fun threads. What a shame that would be. The only way they can truly harm us is to limit us, (and slander us and possibly ruin our lives) but other than that, they can't really hurt us.
         
         You know, whoever that person was left a msg. on one of my blogs on blogspot saying I had her/him banned, when actually I didn't even report her/him. I didn't respond to the msg., but he/she said I should have stopped the banning. Very bizarre, but you have a good sense of humor and shouldn't let someone like that have an affect on you. If the trolls take the fun out of it, they win.

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            Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

            They posted  on their banned profile page that Calculus-geometry had them banned. So he/she isn't blaming you this time but they did blame you for the one before.

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               Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

               Crazy stuff. Im pretty sure I didn't have them banned before either. I can't really remember, but I don't think I reported them.

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                  Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't think you did though I do remember some weird discussion. These people spend no time here, do not read the rules and ask no questions so they have no idea how HP really works. They have no idea that there are people hired to monitor the forums. These people are staff members and they read every post and thread and make sure that people keep the peace. These are called moderators and they are not regular hubbers. These days, no one really has to report anybody in the forums because the moderators catch every bad post. Reporting only speeds up the process.

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                     Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                     Seriously? Every post on every thread? Are you sure? What a horrible job. They must go insane.

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                        Cardisaposted 10 years agoin reply to this

                        Yes, the other day I tried to bump a thread/post and was told by Matthew that all the forums are being monitored so I don't need to bump it for it to be read.
                        
                        The moderators are very active.

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                           Beth37posted 10 years agoin reply to this

                           Poor Matthew.

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      gmwilliamsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, yes I KNOW.   There was an EXTREMELY STRONG CORRELATION between the banned OP and the present one in the thread.    As I have reiterated endlessly, all hubbers should have AT LEAST 50 featured hubs of HIGH quality before being allowed to participate in either the forums or question section.

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         tsmogposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         I agree with the intent, yet are you suggesting such a limit be presently or historically. I presently have 10 hubs published, I plan never to have 50 hubs at one time, (personal decision for maintenance and marketing) yet my accolade shares I have written over 100. I spend more time at the questions section. I do not comment at the forums as much, yet read many times, because I may not return for even weeks between the comment and returning. I feel I should have some responsibility of it since being a forum. Maybe that feeling could change with the suggested reason they are moderated. With a smile I just remember to many raging campfires and floating embers.
         
         I do know the forums and questions has been shared several times in the past being a component of the magical formula for hubber score, yet how much is a question. If a set number is a requirement, then does HP eliminate that element of social activity from the scoring process for either the question section or the forums?

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         GA Andersonposted 10 years agoin reply to this

         ... and don't forget the background checks too.
         
         
         ... and the fingerprints check
         
         
         
         ... and of course, GM's personal vetting
         
         
         
         to repeat...
         
         
         
         ps. you do know you can create your own private forum groups with G+ or Facebook don't you?
         
         GA

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   Bk42authorposted 10 years ago

   I couldn't agree more! I am all for sharing different opinions, beliefs, etc., but I don't understand those who feel the need to get agressive or even abusive with others whose opinions differ.

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   Dave36posted 10 years ago

   Well iv'e been on HP for around a couple of weeks now, & iv'e been told by a few people that i'm brainwashed....Iv'e been told i'm an idiot, yet some people say iv'e given some good advice...So what do i do with my opinions/views?, do i change them just to suit the people that don't agree with me?....No of course i don't i stick to what i feel is right for me, from my experiences etc....I personally couldn't just read something from a book & agree with it, i have to take what iv'e read & see how it fits in with my life experiences....Until i have the realisation moment myself on a particular topic, i will remain on the fence so to speak....So there's 2 ways for someone to answer a post, they can answer it honestly from what they know/feel, or they can answer from their ego which will be off the subject & usually abuse of some kind....People who laugh at what iv'e wrote or reply with abuse, ie "your brainwashed", or "your an idiot" etc, well that is their ego posting!....If someone replies with some advice/ideas/opinions etc, well then their replying from a none ego point of view....So it doesn't bother me at all when people reply negatively to what i write, i see them for what they are, & that's people being led by their ego....So i personally have chatted with some great people on here, & i have also been abused!lol....But i will always reply positively to what ever any one posts back, because like i say help/advice/ideas etc come from "real" people, whereas abuse etc comes from an ego....The people than abuse don't know their ego is replying for them, so i feel for them.

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   John Holdenposted 10 years ago

   GA,  those last two get my 100% agreement.

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