With that little bit of information, I don't see how one could second guess the court's decision. The woman's act was heinous, but it sounds as if there were psychological issues. Her punishment will be far worse than any court could mete out. She'll have to live with the knowledge of what she did for the rest of her life.
I feel as sorry for her as I am horrified by her actions.
She still got three years for it, suspended it maybe, but that isn't the same as a not guilty verdict or not getting punished at all! It will hang over her for the rest of her life. As usual Lady Love is failing to actually read what she posts.
"Two years ago, for the second time, a jury found Effert guilty of second-degree murder, but last May the province's highest court decided the jury made a mistake. In a rare move, the Alberta Court of Appeal overturned the conviction, replacing it with the lesser one of infanticide."
Soo 2 courts convicted her and the court overturned it!! They don't even want her to serve th 16 days for littering when she threw his body over the fence because it would be "mean"!!!
Well, hardly decriminalising, she still got a prison sentence didn't she? OK, it was suspended, which I believe means that if she comes to the attention of the law again that suspension can be set aside and she sent to prison.
As I said to Disturbia, we don't really know enough to form an opinion.
Maybe you don't but I do! Walking free for murder after being convicted twice by 2 different juries in 2 different trials doesn't seem like justic especially when you can get jail time for hate speech!
Well I'll give you that. I keep thinking there must be something here that I'm missing. What kind of enviornment did this girl live in that would drive her to do such a terrible thing? I can't even imagine that kind of desperation, but still to kill your own child is just beyond my understanding. I'm a mother and my natural instinct is to protect my children at the risk of my own safety and life. I find this whole situation just more than I can stomach.
That's why I'm glad that I'm neither a Christian or an anarchist.
I don't have to fill my heart with hatred, instead I can put myself in others shoes and exercise compassion.
Have you no inkling of how traumatic childbirth can be for some women, in some cases literally driving them out of their minds and causing them to act in a manner that they would not otherwise contemplate?
Good to know... I shall stop birth control right now and pop them out like pez from this point forward... Imagine the millions of innocent children my cruelty has slaughtered. I thought hubby was complaining for other reasons.
Figuring my age, I'm guessing I can get in at least 11 or so before menopause pulls me out of the gene pool... A nice round 15 is a good number... I'm going to have John be my labor coach too. Considering I will likely go completely out of my mind. And since I am a liberal, could someone have some duct tape and a dumpster handy....
Abortion came into it because the Judge based her arguments to justify her ruling on Canada's lack of Abortion laws, seeming to speak to her of the canadians willingness to accept the stress of motherhood as a good reason for mothers murdering their babies to be allowed.
Recently a man was robbed in his shop.In defending himself he killed one of the robbers. He wasn't prosecuted. I suppose you think he should have been, or is that level of stress allowable where a greater level of stress on a mother isn't?
I gave birth to four children with a total birth weight of a little over 27 lbs. (and a combined labor time of over 6 days) I did it with no pain medication at all. I might have been momentarily tempted to castrate my mate, but murder-especially of my child- was not really a consideration.
Whatever psychological issues might have existed (and I am sure there were some) please don't demean women by suggesting that the process of childbirth somehow drives women into murderous insanity. We have evolved past the point of snarling dribbling animals that bite whatever hurts us. AND even if we were animals... THEY don't kill their young because of the pain of birth.
I was not for one moment suggesting that the pain of childbirth should drive a girl to kill her child. I was suggesting that the well recorded changes in a woman's mental state can adversely affect her, or do you not believe in post natal depression?
LMAO, I do indeed believe in postpartum depression... however it does not strike instantly after birth and is incredibly unlikely to have played a part in this particular case.
Maybe you should read that well-recorded information? First women are driven to madness by pain and then horrible semi-psychotic depression instantly hits them right after the cord is cut... Sounds horrible...
Glad your mother didn't know? Did she tell you she was looking for a reason?
I'm sorry, that's just funny. Do you think women search for reasons to kill their children? This poor woman, if she overcomes whatever issues drove her to this act will suffer immeasurably with remorse at things she can never undo.
I've been upset. It didn't cause me to murder my children. She's obviously got something mentally wrong with her. Why didn't she just get an abortion early on? I don't know but I'm going to look deeper into this. It must be about her family. Why else would she feel she had to keep it a secret and then destroy the child? She's probably been psychologically abused her whole life by really twisted perspectives. I mean its wrong to have sex and then get caught by getting pregnant, but it's somehow OK to try to cover it up and commit murder... duh.
I guess you didn't read the article or the posts. She gave birth and then killed her baby. She was convicted twice of 2nd degree murder. The canadian courts unhappy with two jury opinions of her peers saw fit to free her reducing the charge to infanticide, basically allowing her to walk free as though she had a post birth abortion.
I'm going to get nailed to a cross for this one, but I think that's one of the problems of our modern society, we have too many mental health experts with a bag full of excuses and not enough people taking responsibility for their actions. I don't know anyone who hasn't had drama and trauma in their lives, but that doesn't give them an excuse to commit murder. If this girl's mind is that twisted that she can murder her own child and she doesn't know what she did is wrong, then she shouldn't be walking around in public because clearly she's a possible danger to anybody she comes across. OMG! I'm having a bad hair day, I think I'll go out and kill somebody!
Being insane is not an "excuse" if it means you did the act without conscious intent or understanding. A "guilty mind" (mens rea) has been a part of the legal system since ancient times and is in no way modern.
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