https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/! … s/YmY1bLQ5
Wow. No, not all members of the religious right are nut jobs, but apparently 410 of them (and counting) are.
A petition to the white house that reads:
"WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:
Immediately Ban the Deadly Videogame Known as "SkyRim" for The Safety of America's Youths.
Whereas videogaming has proven to cause social, ethical and health problems in people of all ages,
Whereas sexual perversion and homosexuality are threatening to destroy the Christian foundations on which this nation was built,
Whereas a new video game has just been created that far exceeds any others in the psychological and spiritual damage it does to teens,
We, the American people, today ask you,
1) To enact an immediate ban on the videogame known as "SkyRim" produced by Blizzard Entertainment.
2) To seize and destroy all copies already in public hands and erase its presence on the internet.
3) To prosecute the players of "SkyRim" to the fullest extent of the law.
4) To create a national database of videogame avatars and "screen names" so that teenagers can be better monitored."
Well, they should get their wish on #3 at least. It being that the fullest extent of the law in this case is nothing at all!
Whackos of the world unite!
I particularly loved number 4, cause the billions that was spent on that little piece of impossibility would be used so wisely.
All I'm going to say is that this doesn't really sound like new "news" to me. If you look back on the history of video games in general, there's always been games that have stirred up controversy from "Mortal Kombat" to "Grand Theft Auto III." Trust me, as long as the game makes money, then politicians and most businesses aren't going to care about this at all, and will probably ignore this petition. Take a look at "Grand Theft Auto III" for example.
When that game came out, it was under the same scrutiny for it's violence and other controversial subject matters, and Wal-Mart even went on record saying that they would never carry such a violent game. However, you want to know what happened? It became one of the top grossing video games of all time, and Wal-Mart quickly changed it's tune to start selling the games anyway; in spite of what they said earlier. That just goes to show you that as long as Skyrim is a hit, then this will be nothing more than a bump in the road for it, and nothing more.
The difference is the White House, under Obama, has set up a system to petition the government online. If this "petition" gets the required amount of signatures then it WILL be considered. I think that petitions like this might eventually show the folly of a system that, without rampant nut jobs, would actually be a wonderful idea.
Yes, but you seem to forget that America is a capitalist society first and foremost; hence the term, "Money talks, and bulls*** walks." You really think government officials would dare outlaw Skyrim if it's making a lot of money, and do you honestly think the CEOs and the investors behind the game would allow that to happen? Take in mind, the big corporations in this country have even more power than most of our politicians do, as many of these large businesses do contribute quite a lot to political campaigns; hence another term about biting the hand that feeds you.
You can't censor things you don't like that are paid for if people aren't being hurt by it.
Video games, books, movies.etc
Nothing to do with greed.
I'm starting to think that everyone on hubpages loves to misquote and misread EVERYTHING that i say on here. First of all, where did i say anything about censoring stuff that I don't like?
Secondly, all I said was that this country is a capitalist society first and foremost; meaning that this whole petition will be nothing more than a bump in the road for Skyrim if it's making money. Please, make sure you understand everything that I say, and NEVER misquote me again.
I didn't misquote you.
Please make sure you understand the HOW AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WORKS and maybe read the CONSTITUTION.
I'm explaining that first and foremost censorship prevails over your false notion that capitalism is first and foremost.
Don't be wrong so I don't have to type.
And you still have failed to tell me exactly where I said that I wanted to censor something? Tell me where did I say that I wanted to censor crap that I didn't like? As I reread my posts various times, and I find no indication of ever making such claims.
Secondly, if you read into some of the events that I have described, then ANYONE here will be able find ample evidence that what I say is true. Look at "Grand Theft Auto III", that game was under a lot of controversy, but because it made a lot of money, there was nothing governments could do about it. First all, I'm not saying that I dislike the game, as I never played it. However, I have read about it before; hence why I was using it as an example of how this whole petition doesn't mean anything. If you actually bothered to read any of my posts here, then you'd understand.
Please, read my posts correctly, and you won't have to bother typing.
Perhaps a dictionary will help because I didn't misquote you.
NEVER use the wrong word AGAIN.
USE a dictionary first.
I wouldn't worry about that petition.
They're crazy if they think the Obama Administration is gonna do squat about any immorality. They'd do better to petition the FCC maybe. Or Congress.
It blows my mind that people petition an immoral President for help fighting immorality! Who do they think he is---Reagan or Bush?! He is neither. Not even close.
Unless...maybe...they can fit it into the Obama Administration's policy against pornography. Maybe that's what they're aiming for, holding him to an actual definition of immorality. But again I think the chances are slim to none.
Wasn't worried about it at all, Brenda. It's unconstitutional and a complete impossibility. I was just pointing out that if it got enough signatures, someone would actually have to take time away from real issues to deal with the inanity. It's just sad that a bunch of individuals with severe problems setting priorities could abuse a very good system set in place by Obama to make petitioning the government easier.
I don't game, but my teenager does. The way I figure it is if I don't have a problem with him owning a game then nobody else should either. Since the "petition" was aimed at teenagers, then it makes the assumption that parents don't know best. It's another example of the RR attempting to control what parents do with their children. It's hilarious and futile, but it does give a good indication of what would happen if their agenda went unchecked.
Oh yes. God forbid there should be such a thing as (gulp) common decency imposed upon society.
So you are in favor of the government parenting your children? That's pretty low self-esteem. I'm sure you'd do a good job. Don't be so hard on yourself.
No, I'm not advocating governmental parenting of children.
I'm advocating for laws that censor adult activity. Ya know, the same thing we've always had----LAW; that "little" thing that says what's right and wrong and deals with offenders of it.
Ah... so you are for laws that will decide better what adult activity is than me, the parent of my children. That's all you had to say. We're clear now.
Wonder if the Government would care if I played operation with my kids... after all that dude is just in his boxers. And there is entirely too much violence and sex in the Bible. Probably shouldn't allow that in the hands of kids either... It's all smiting here and people being turned to salt there...
And I have no idea what I am going to tell my daughter about her period... I guess I'll hold off that convo until she's 18.
*smiles* Stop trolling Brenda. There is no law banning the sale of the game to 17 and up. If a 17 year old can't handle the choice on whether to buy a video game or not, then someone didn't do a good enough job raising him. There isn't, unless I REALLY missed something, anything in the Bible about videogames.
I'm pretty sure the game Operation doesn't focus on anyone's private parts.
And I for one Christian-raised person was made fully aware of the facts of puberty way before it came, so was prepared for it. And I'll reiterate that my parents were Christians. So you can (smiles also) stop trolling yourself & hinting that Christians are such prudes that they don't know or won't relate the facts of life to their children! I find that funny, and very archaic.
Brenda, I happen to be married to a fundie so I know you all aren't prudes. It wasn't personal, so please stop taking it such. I was just illustrating that once you start censoring, you should expect to cater to the most extreme individuals. Once you start down that slide, you end up at the bottom.
I know people, and I'm sure you do too, that would find a game with a man in his boxers and tee shirt to be obscene. I know plenty of people that are offended by the Bible as well. You really can't make rules that censorship is okay as long as they are only censoring things you don't like. The world doesn't work that way.
I'll turn it around... You know my viewpoints... Would you want ME choosing what is available to your kids and grandkids?
I don't think that's even the issue. America isn't a third-world Nation that limits the freedom of responsible people. The issue at hand here is that there's too much liberty to do just anything that might pop into one's imagination. Soon there may not be such a thing as "law" really. It's the opposite of what you said----The fact is that once we stop censoring, we have to cater to the most extreme individuals. It's not about what anyone likes or dislikes; it's about what's right and what's wrong.
Which comes down, as it always does, to who decides what is right and what is wrong.
Much as I like you, if I would have to be held to your rules I would seriously consider occupying a gun shop (as they would be freaking everywhere, wouldn't be too hard to find one). I'm sure you feel the same way about my rules.
See, there ya go assuming, aren't you?
I'm for gun ownership, yes. For law-abiding adult citizens.
But of course there is censorship of gun ownership, meaning there are those laws that decide who can own a gun and when they can legally carry it and how they can legally use it. Nothing wrong with that.
So, no, I don't feel the same way about your rules. Really. One is about maintaining moral laws. The other is (or looks to me like) about a free-for-all where anyone can do whatever they want or distribute whatever materials they want, ending up wherever they want those materials to end up, unfettered by any laws whatsoever.
So, I assume by completely not responding to my question that you would not like to live under my rules.
So then it gets down to who is more moral. So, either you think that you are morally superior to me or you are saying that you don't care about anybody else's rights as long as you get your way.
*shrugs* I don't care about the first because other's opinions about my morality don't really concern me. However, having someone trying to enforce their morals on me really does. Of course, in this case, the second really isn't a big deal in this case either because it's not ever going to happen.
Again, you assume.
I'm saying that there are moral basics that everyone should abide by.
We all need those bases. We all need rules. Everyone is tempted to break rules. Yes, some are tempted more than others and some rules are more tempting to break than other rules. Either way, we all need rules. It's not about moral superiority! It's about laws and the amount of willingness to abide by the laws. Beginning with the laws of God. And ending with responsibility and mercy both.
Yes we all need rules. We aren't talking about breaking rules, we are talking about setting them. If it was against the law to own the game, then of course, I would abide by that law. I have a great respect for law, but I also know that if rules are arcane, don't make any sense, or are unfair then they should be removed. I also don't think that actually MAKING a law that is all three would be kinda silly.
Now, in this case God didn't say anything about Skyrim. So that leaves it to man's decision (I'll not even argue the "If I don't believe in your God why should I obey his rules) The way it works is the majority decides laws. I may not like it, but that's the way it works.
I think guns should be flat out banned. I hate them. I think they were made with no other purpose than death and destruction. Unfortunately, the law and the majority do not agree with my personal opinion. So I accept the fact that they exist and people own them.
Completely and utterly false.
A severely limited knowledge of the law.
There are limiting laws on free speech and products sold.
Christian law doesn't rule America, it never has, it never will.
And there we get to the nitty-gritty.
Yes, Christian law has ruled, does rule (or largely it does) and should continue to rule America!
I'm not talking about any specific denomination or Church rule. I'm talking about the basic rules of the Bible, Spiritualized of course and with a little thing called mercy included.
Even our U.S. bankruptcy laws were based on Biblical principles.
You do not know your history.
America is founded on English common law which existed centuries before christianty came there.
Why do you care what adults read.
You must release the supreme courts stance on this, if you censor one thing you can censor them all, including the bible if it fell out of popular opinion.
You would only have a valid argument if it was, say, something on free television or radio.
You have no right to censor pay products.
You never will in this country, I can guarantee that.
Skyrim is not breaking the law - there are far more violent books, movies, TV shows etc - do you advocate banning those too?
What about Football - that's violent? Boxing? Any contact sport?
How about protesting - while not against the law - it could turn violent therefore should it be banned?
It seems people like to pick on Video Games - how about Parents re-inforce what is right and wrong therefore children will know it's just a game! Also as a parent, I wouldn't let my children play this game until they are mature enough - it is rated M after all.
Your advocating censorship of something you deem immoral?
Bush had far more violent games released under his presidency.
Thank god for the supreme court.
OMB......I think I'll change my name lest anyone confuse me with the other one. Lighten up lady.
OMG I'm a seriel gamer - I've been sinning for over 30 years now - you're gonna have to lock me up and throw the key away!
Wonder why they didn't go after players of The Witcher 2 - within two minutes of starting the game there's full frontal nudity!!!
Forgive me Lord for I have gamed!
Anything that talks about a "Christian foundation" pisses me off instantly. I might agree with them about the game itself, but that kind of lead-off doesn't make me feel I want to support them.
If you knew what the game was about you would probably laugh.
It's like a Lotr type of setting.
Of all games to pick on this is pretty tame.
Call of duty has way more violence.
*smiles* I understand your animosity. Christianity itself isn't necessarily a negative to me (obviously), but anytime it's attached to a political cause it makes me cringe.
My oldest owns the game. He is two weeks short of 18 and bought it with his own earned money. I personally wouldn't have bought the game, it is violent. He is only allowed to play it on his own system in his room with the door closed. While I think it is ok for him, I don't want his younger brother (12) or particularly his sister (2) seeing it.
That's what parenting is. It is making a decision based on the child. In this case, my oldest is 1. Legally old enough to buy the game and 2. Responsible enough to have earned the money for it himself. 3. Responsible enough to independently handle the game, friendships, and extra curricular activities while still maintaining honor roll. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason for me to take the decision to own the game away from him.
Now, since that is my decision as a parent, I would be ripe royally pissed if the government stepped in and overruled me.
lol..Skyrim is my secret addiction the past few days, keeping me from getting work done.
The worst part of this is Blizzard doesn't make skyrim.
And America was NOT founded on Christianity.
IF you're dumb enough to think that the government needs to protect you from weed, then you're dumb enough to think that the government needs to protect you from video games.
Ron Paul 2012.
Bible bashers always like to try to spoil everyone elses fun whilst they secretly play these games hiding away in their churches and cult shacks!
Seriously though I bet they haven't really played these games hardly at all and they are just judging with the might of Jesus and the Lord as usual, always ones to put story characters before anything in reality first!
They want a religious government so bad I almost feel sorry for them.
they know their children will not cling to their extreme beliefs, so they want a government to do it for them.
Of course some would say they could just parent better.
I'm not saying that the RR are bad parents in general, just that needing a government to parent your children really does seem a bit insecure. As far as clinging to fundamentalist beliefs, I don't necessarily believe that the religious right were all created by their parents. One of my children has chosen Christianity and is leaning pretty right. (LOL, I'm not sure if it his way of rebelling against me yet). One is wiccan and obviously has left leanings. The two year old is an anarchist.
I think personality has more to do with religious affiliation than rearing. I don't care if I was raised by the pope himself, I wouldn't be catholic. If hubby would have been raised on a tour bus by the Greatful Dead, he still wouldn't be anything but a fundie. Even if he never read the bible, he would still be a fundie.
I never said they were bad parents. It is not the norm lifestyle and is radical
The only way to ensure your beliefs are enforced upon everyone is to change the government.
You can change two branches rather easily, but the judicial branch is not easily changed.
No wonder there are supporters of SOPA. Just because knife is used as suicide tool, lets stop manufacturing it. Oh wait, lets put ban on importing it too.
Santa Claus, hear my plea... Please move Brenda to State where there is SOPA executed already. Ramen.
I dunno what "SOPA" is.
And pleading to "Santa" is about as effective as pleading to Obama.
SOPA is law against 'Freedom of Expression' in the name of copyright protection.
I stand corrected, Jesus yo man, stop SOPA.
SOPA is apparently about copyright infringement.
This thread here is about censoring pornographic material and those who distribute it and use it.
By the way, I haven't given an opinion on the users of such games. Nor even the makers of them.
Games are sold with ratings on them. It's upto parents and shopkeepers to keep eye on their customers. Alien vs Predators -Multiplayer game was banned in Australia for gore content and there was not an inch of porno or any objectionable stuff. Since when gore content is objectionable in this world especially when it comes with rating tag ? It all comes down to parent moderation, not government.
Melissa, That petition is going way over the edge. To prosecute players of a video game? What the hell are you thinking? I am tired of the moral police trying to tell me what to do and how I should run my family.
I totally agree with you. Keith and Melissa. I can't believe they would even want to attempt to destroy every copy of the game. My brother-in-law was recently showing me this game and it doesn't even seem as violent as Call of Duty or a ton of other games. How ridiculous. It's like back in the day when they banned books like Sherlock Holmes and The Tempest. Thanks for bringing this to our attention, Melissa.
Going by that logic, 'Burning the Witches' game was favorite among Catholics, why it was banned ? For the love of Christ, bring it back and burn all the non-Christians.
Joke of the year.
Especially In Nov 2011 where conservative lobbyists are trying to force SOPA.
I think the key word is "responsible".
Anyway, I still don't understand SOPA. One would think copyright infringement is a good subject for censorship. So what is it that you have against SOPA?
By what stretch of imagination, SOPA is from responsible people ?
Edit: Do read about SOPA and know how it is going to affect 'freedom of speech' and what role it plays in censorship. As of now it was shown only against copyright but conservative lobbyist are interested in taking down content that doesn't go along their line of thought. Going ahead of that, people like you who wish to take down opinion or content that doesn't belong to their religious thought process are going to harm US economy and ultimately freedom of speech. Responsible people? Trust me, technical ignorance from those who are in favor of censorship shows without much effort on our part.
Here's an example, Brenda: according to SOPA you would have to remove your "eye with crosses" profile image unless you rightfully owned the rights to it.
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o my mind rules are rules every one should follow it and do not misuse any thing
What is getting lost here is that Skyrim isn't the first (nor will it be the last) video game with violence in it, and overall it's not bad compared to a lot of video games. I played violent video games back in the 80s, and always understood it to be fantasy, and knew that some of the acts portrayed are not moral - just like I do when I watch the Godfather,Star Wars or any other movie that portrays violence.
Whether or not I would vote for a petition, a better one would be to have controls over 'violence' in all media, not just video games - heck some of the books I've read over the years have been far worse than anything I've seen in a TV show, movie or video game.
The video game industry applies ratings on the box of the game - and any parent can see this - just like movies and some music. This gives the consumer the knowledge of what the game is like and gives them the choice - do we need to implement laws to do this?
Not to mention those heathens Socrates and Plato ideas.
@Melissa - They know not what they do. I can almost guarantee that there is a game developer that has seen this news and is ready to pounce on the opportunity it affords. "An imprisoned SkyRim population is urged to fight monsters and gain enough power so they can rally against an unseen, but diabolical, power in the sky. Oh dear.
LMAO, maybe. But if this hits major press then Skyrim makes a couple more million dollars from everyone rushing to see what all the fuss is about. That should fund their next, equally religiously offensive, game.
Seems you're saying that whatever seems forbidden will just tempt more people to buy into it.
I agree with you.
Which is why the "forbidden" should remain forbidden and be censored.
SKYRIM is not illegal! SKYRIM is not forbidden! There are worse books, movies, cartoons, other video games, sports fights etc than this game!
Don't confuse her with facts. The only way to debate with her is to enter her world in part. If there is something about the real world she can't fathom, she ignores it's existence. Once you get past that little stumbling block, you can actually have a conversation with her.
In this particular case, she assumes God has forbidden this game. That is the forbidden she is referencing. I don't know how she came to that conclusion either, but arguing something that she was unaware of 30 minutes ago but is now firmly convinced that God has forbidden is like trying to ice skate up hill... it may or may not be possible but who the hell cares to try.
No, actually I'm saying the more that extremists complain about something, the more publicity is generated. By definition, extremists don't share the same opinion as your average person then the attention attracted just is free advertising as more people are going to agree with the "norm" than the extreme.
The RR doesn't seem to get this. Goes with gay marriage too. The religious right is actually winning our battle for us. I wouldn't trade rush limbaugh or hannity for anything. The more they talk, the closer we are to success
I disagree. Although, the public conversation about it should've never been allowed.
As far as supposedly-conservative influences, it's more the people like O'Reilly and Megan whoever the commentator/lawyer on Fox. The ones who don't stand against it. The lukewarmers who know it's wrong but who choose to straddle the fence or condone it. And the extremists who say God hates someone instead of God hates sin. And while any talk about it does have the effect of furthering discourse about it (I so admire Bush because he tried to nip it in the bud, but not everyone has his nerve), still, I'm sorry but you can't blame it on the religious right. It's a liberal agenda; own it.
Own what? What is my fault again?
If it is the further acceptance of gay marriage then I wish I could own it! I would love to take credit, but I didn't have much influence.
If you are talking about liberals in general, then I have to agree in part. We couldn't have done it without all the dust being kicked up though. The RR makes such an unlikable foe.
No offense Brenda but if your Son or daughter isn't playing Video games just because you subscribe to self-made religious censorship theory, I must say no kid in this world should be in your son or daughters shoes. It's worst than Sharia Law.
This discussion is about immoral video games, not video games in general. I'd appreciate it if you'd keep to that discussion instead of placing judgement on your perceived idea of my personal life.
People who use their God-given common sense.
At least that's who should be deciding.
It's not about moral or immoral, it is about right and wrong. God gets to decide that. Commandment 2,849,093 in the unabridged King James Bible specifically says that all playing Skyrim shall burn forever in a lake of three day old coffee... or some such.
Of course we shouldn't arrest players of video games. We really need to stop making frivilous demands on the liberties of others.
I'm only vaguely familiar with this game. Can someone explain to me what is immoral about Skyrim? I'm reading the Wikipedia entry, and I find it hard to believe a game set in a fantasy world with dragons and elves could really pose such a threat that people want politicians to consider banning it.
There are boobs and blood in it. It's not the worst I've ever seen but it's not "Elmo's Sesame Street Adventures" either. It IS hugely popular though, so it's a great target.
I seriously hope that this is BS. I swear I heard "Zieg Heil" and the sound of holier than thou jackboots on the sidewalk outside while I was reading. The ludricrousness of this whole thing astounds me.
The Game 'The Witcher 2' which is another PC Role Playing Game had far more nudity in it and about the same level of violence - why didn't they pick on this game?
Because it wasn't as hugely popular, I assume. You've got to remember that these people don't have any idea what is out there until they have their first fight with their teenager who smuggled it into the house. Then there is a personal vendetta that fuels the fire.
Witches 2 is sick. It's coming out for Xbox soon.
There are boobs and blood in every action movie ever made. I don't doubt that Obama has received such a demand, but i doubt that anyone would take it seriously...especially Obama. And were he to take it seriously, the Supreme Court would not...if you could get them to stop laughing long enough to consider it.
I doubt that anyone will do anything about it, the proposal is hugely unconstitutional. However, the way the petitioning system is set up, if the appropriate numbers of signatures is reached, they white house DOES have to at least discuss it officially.
It's obvious how a lot of the signatures are fake
Obvious T => "Obvious Troll is Obvious"
Leeroy J => Leeroy Jenkins (blizzard character)
Paarthurnax => Elder Scrolls character
And other f*** and d*** related signatures
The worst part of SOPA is how they actually determine and regulate sites.
If parents were actually parenting they wouldn't have to ask for this ban. lol.
FYI for everyone: the whole petition was a joke.
it came from a satirical site
http://christwire.org/2011/11/urgent-si … me-skyrim/
I guess I'll refrain from pointing and laughing at the people who supported this just because they support anything they think the Religious Right supports.
You can't brown-nose your way into heaven, folks, and Pat Robertson isn't the gatekeeper. Start using your own minds.
plz tell me what does skyrim mean i searched a lot but i couldn't find
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